Filmic Pro VS MotionCam vs S22 Ultra vs OnePlus 10 Pro vs Pixel 6 Filmmaking Comparison

[@m8_flicks]

Well for me when I've seen MotionCam video samples from not even the most advanced smartphones, the image quality blow my mind. It was the first time I've ever seen a smartphone video really close to a MILC/DSLR quality. Even the best Filmic/McPro24 videos looks kinda cellphone-ish for me. I know its subjective in a lot of terms but I kinda think of MotionCam as: 'Remember how people started shooting films? Yes, in a very unreliable way, in very limited length, with lot of pre-pre-production neccesities' (thinking about physical film). So these first cameras were literally just like 'image recording boxes' And thas it, Nothing else. And thats what Motioncam makes out of your phone. And for me, its the greatest thing that could"ve happened to phone videography. So what people call the downside-s of MotionCam i actually view as: Its just work. Because - once again, for me - CAN really look like the bottom side of a higher quality/category and not the highest-side of cellphone quality/category. Yes, its not for anything (i mean if you have a vlog and need videos ready by tomorrow, ofc its not really the best to go) but the work just really worths it.

[@phonecomp]

I couldn't say it any better than that Máté! I agree, and I can't wait to see what the pro version of the app looks like.

[@marcblank-settle6680]

That video was very useful, thanks - although the audio was slightly off-putting given how it was edited, with barely a natural pause between clauses let alone sentences!

[@phonecomp]

Hello Marc! Glad it was useful! I'm still testing out just how fast I can edit my audio without it becoming uncomfortable to listen to. After I've heard the same few minutes of audio 50 times, it's hard for me to evaluate it properly, so thank you for the feedback!

[@inhalants]

@@phonecomp sounds like a video from ZeroPunctuation

[@phonecomp]

Hello Inhalants! It is rough for sure!

[@victorx4648]

Filmic can't save 10-bit files on 6 Pro. They are always 8-bit, even though you set 10-bit in Filmic. The h.265 L5.2 is perfectly fine for 4K video up to 120 fps.

[@CanaldoOTA]

Android 15 will give access to all camera features for 3rd party apps, including the new extension "eyes free" for stabilization. Add to that the release of Blackmagic app for android. Hope that Android filming enters a new era, getting closer to Iphone in this reggard.

[@SebastianMerca]

Filmic Pro is a beautiful app, but you are at the mercy of OEMs regarding image processing options... They could give us so much more control over quality... (That's is the real issue actually)

[@phonecomp]

Hello Sebastian! I agree! I certainly appreciate the advancements in computational photography as well as video processing, but being able to bypass those features when desired would be wonderful.

[@MobileFilmmaking]

Awesome. I had been waiting for this. I just shared this in every mobile filmmaking group that I'm a part of

[@phonecomp]

Thank you so much for that! I hope it won't disappoint!

[@phonecomp]

Thank you so much for watching! This Filmic Pro VS MotionCam comparison took a long time to put together, but hopefully it was helpful--if it wasn't, or you have any questions, or suggestions, please leave a comment!

[@HmmmVeryCurious]

This is exactly what I was looking for, ik things are probably a bit different 2 years later with motion cam being a bit less new but still, super detailed run down, I appreciate it.

[@phonecomp]

I'm so glad it was useful!

[@izzieb]

Filmic Pro log on Pixel 6 is bugged at the moment. The developers disabled the cinematographer kit because of it. Applying any tone mapping (like Filmic Pro does) causes posterisation.

[@phonecomp]

Thank you Izzie! A complication from the Tensor chip perhaps?

[@izzieb]

@@phonecomp It's a software thing I think. Google made it possible for third party apps to use their image processing (like Snapchat adding night sight) but I believe that means the image coming from the Camera2 API (that Filmic Pro uses, as well as mcpro24fps) is different than normal. Motioncam uses its own imaging pipeline and doesn't use that API, so is unaffected.

[@amanieux]

did you check the auto supress silence in your editing software, it is a bit tyring to listen to because vocal information keeps streaming at us, pauses are important in human speech, it give time for our brain to process information

[@phonecomp]

You are totally right. I hand edited this in a ridiculous incomprehensible way. I've slowed back down in my recent videos. I plan on putting together a new version with other devices using the pro version of the app.

[@MrMyosotisSylvatica]

Can motioncam app also record sound?

[@phonecomp]

Hello Alexander! Yes, and the new pro version has support for external mics (depending on the device)!

[@Emptrix]

Very nice test methodology. The S22 Ultra's footage even with Samsung default video app has over sharpening, evident when I see those youtube 4k samples that other youtubers have uploaded. It's really only good at photography unless Samsung disables image processing in video mode since it screws with the footage (primarily over sharpening every single thing).

[@phonecomp]

Thank you Emptrix! I agree, in pro mode they should really disable their sharpening or at least make it an optional setting.

[@galacticusX]

Dude, what's with the audio jump cuts?

[@sidersproductions941]

If I'm not mistaken Filmic doesn't support LOG on the Pixel yet unless they updated the app.

[@phonecomp]

Hello Siders! You are correct, hopefully all the bugs with its implementation will be worked out soon!

[@sidersproductions941]

@@phonecomp yes. I'm actually waiting for that. Filmic has done a good job with the app so far.

[@phonecomp]

@@sidersproductions941 I agree! There is a new pro version of Motion Cam that is much improved if you're interested in RAW video. Filmic still easily beats it as far as features and interface is concerned.

[@sidersproductions941]

@@phonecomp yeah I never heard of the app until now. I might check it out though. Thanks.

[@phonecomp]

@@sidersproductions941 The free version gives you a great representation of the video quality from shooting RAW, I'm still just now testing the paid pro version--I like the additional features so far though.

[@lamvoi2275]

Hi sir, have you updated your Oneplus 10 Pro to OxygenOS 13 yet? I'm really curious because I think there might be a chance that they allow access to Ultrawide and Tele lenses in Motion Cam...

[@phonecomp]

Hello Lamvoi227! I no longer have the 10 Pro for testing, but if I'm able to get another in, I will certainly test that. Sorry!

[@SiHorrocks]

Great comparison thanks 👏

[@phonecomp]

Hello Simon! Thank you very much and I've learned a lot from your videos, so thank you for your channel.

[@beamersummumklan]

Hi, how did you get the cinekit add on for Filmic Pro on your Pixel 6? I don't even have the tab in my app 😣

[@phonecomp]

Hello Beamer! It would show up occasionally, but not consistently. Very buggy, and I don't think I've seen it at all in my 6A. Hopefully, Filmic will better support the Pixel 7 series.

[@Ermelious]

Does MotionCam works with all 4 cameras/lens of the S22 Ultra and with 4K 60 support?

[@phonecomp]

Hello Ermelious! Unfortunately, no to both. I did put a chart towards the end of the video-i can't remember exactly which cameras are functioning but I know it's not all of the rear cameras. And none of them will record consistently at 60fps. There is a pro version coming so hopefully we can see greater compatibility.

[@mkguitarproject]

No, only main, front and ultra wide work, even in Pro. Samsung is to blame. But they all work with mcpro24fps.

[@eloreneloreneloreneloreneloren]

The quality of your content is insane!

[@phonecomp]

Thank you so much Eeex! I'm trying to keep the quality as high as I can and still get videos made as fast as I can!

[@amanieux]

strange that we get 12m pixels raw for all phones instead of 48,50 and 105 mpix unbinned raw data from the camera sensors

[@phonecomp]

Hello Amanieux! I agree, I don't quite understand that either. The new pro version of MotionCam has quite a few more features and resolution options, I'll have to look into it further.

[@richardbrooks9645]

I can not get the 10-bit Log3 video to work right with Filmic on my S22. it comes out over-saturated and red. I shoot with 8-bit log2 with all the same settings and it looks great. I will try MotionCam

[@phonecomp]

Hello Richard! Please do try MotionCam, hopefully it will be the solution to your Filmic issue. It is strange that 8 bit Log2 is fine, but I've seen Filmic do weird things on different devices and sometimes the issues were inconsistent.

[@mkguitarproject]

Filmic pro is a piece of cr@p, even next to the capable mcpro24fps. MotionCam simply destroys it. Filmic manages to be even worse than the built-in camera apps.

[@phonecomp]

Hello MK! I have had a number of issues testing different phones with Filmic, but (from my experience) when it works, it works well. I agree about MotionCam. I generally use a mix of stock Samsung camera footage and MotionCam from the S22 Ultra for my videos. If I had to do everything solely with my phone, I might prefer Filmic because it does integrate external audio pretty well, but besides that--its not my favorite.

[@patricklevar]

The guys down at motion Cam app also recommend the 1 + 10 pro Looks like I found my next phone 😂

[@phonecomp]

Ha! Hello again Patrick! I have really enjoyed my time with the 10 Pro. I'm also testing the Poco F4 GT and it's great, but it won't quite keep up with the 10 Pro in the camera department (even though they do perform more similarly than people think). As long as future software updates don't negatively affect OnePlus, I'd say the 10 Pro is my favorite flagship of the year!

[@tarekfayed8813]

I hope you could help me with filmic Pro. when I set frames to 120 or 240, I can't edit the iso and shutter and both change with the dial. and I see EV + and - changing with that. when I go back to 24 or 30 fps it comes back to work and I can set each one separate. why is this happening? how to fix this?

[@phonecomp]

Hello Tarek! The good news is-i know exactly what you are talking about. The bad news is-i never found a way to fix the issue. I discovered that same problem while making a slow motion comparison, I could often get the setting I needed by hopping in and out of frame rates, but not always. It's frustrating, and I'm sorry I don't have a solution!

[@smalldeekgeorge]

There is no fix. Just shoot auto and lock exposure. Samsung locks their phones on kernel level.

[@victorzachev]

nice video but why bother with the audio editing - it is to me uncomfortable and anxiety inducing....

[@phonecomp]

Hello Victor! I agree, I'm adjusting my editing style so that it isn't way too fast and unnatural. I will have a new MotionCam video coming along as soon as the pro version is released, so please give that one a chance (if you are interested in a pro version) and I promise the editing will not cause anxiety!

[@Riansman]

Does the 10x s22 ultra lens work on filmic pro?

[@phonecomp]

Hello Riansman! Yes, it does! I'm surprised, but the 10x camera is selectable in Filmic and looks ok. Not as good as the native Samsung camera app though.

[@cmoneytheman]

Why not record the audio so it sounds realistic?,I don't understand why you recorded it like this and pasted it with no breaks, nobody talks like this it's robotic The voice you're using isn't even you're it's no emotion

[@phonecomp]

Sorry, it was a rough test on trying to move through the video audio as fast as possible. I don't want to waste anyone's time, but this attempt was a failure.

[@costaliberta5969]

7:40 missing raw shooting stats/abilities

[@rexyCS]

lets be honest, this comparisson is not fair! cinemaDNG is much more better then any LOG. The better test would be filmic pro vs mcpro24fps. And spoiler alert! mcpro24fps would win :)

[@phonecomp]

Hello PlayerBeast! That would be a great comparison! I wanted to compare two free camera apps, but in the future I'll expand the comparison for sure.

[@mayaiconpack]

Have you tested MotionCam Pro recently?? The images of some other reviews blowed my mind!!!

[@phonecomp]

@@mayaiconpack I have not! I've got the S23 Ultra in now, so maybe I'll do a review with it using motioncam.

[@mayaiconpack]

@@phonecomp I have a humble S20 FE and this app improved videos A LOT.. Just bought a S22 and can't wait to test on it! PS: only the major downside of HUGE video files..

[@mayaiconpack]

@@phonecomp And I'm still yet to try mcpro24fps vs MotionCam.. it could be your next video (idea)

[@SocialPerspective101]

Does Motion Cam detect ALL lenses of ALL phones?

[@phonecomp]

Hello Som! Not always. Right now I'm testing the OnePlus 12 and the telephoto is not available.

[@shyhandiq]

deloging filmic pro 10 bit log v3 of my one plus 9 pro destroys the video. Also one plus recently added stock camera log video. pls make a test video.

[@phonecomp]

Hello Shyamal! I will check that out! Are you only converting on device--or do you sometimes convert the footage from a computer? Just curious.

[@shyhandiq]

@@phonecomp m using resolve 18. Official filmic pro delog lut.

[@LoightaFluwid]

All these voice over over voice overs makes the video hard to watch

[@patricklevar]

Nice this was cool to see #keepfilming

[@dronetheworld4k67]

Ur channel is outstanding 👍 id like to plz see zoom test in FILMIC PRO for s22 ultra to see how clear the app handles the phone's zoom ! Can u do that ?... As for low light video I personally have note10+ and very happy with filmic pro low light quality, plz lemme no... Thx,

[@phonecomp]

Hello Drone the World! I don't have a specific video scheduled to test out zoom capability, but the 10x camera does a great job, with usable photos up to about 30x digital zoom, but that's all stock camera. I have an audio focused video planned soon that I'll use Filmic pro for, I'll try to throw in some long shots with the S22! And thank you for the compliment!

[@PRPWR]

good video but I don't like how you edited your audio. It's difficult to make it coherent. Almost like a run-on sentence.

[@phonecomp]

I 100% agree Corvus! I thought about taking it down and re-editing, but I just don't have time, and the audience for this particular video is pretty small (unfortunately). I do have plans for an updated video with different phones using the new pro version. Sorry for the breathless tiresome pace, and I have definitely slowed recent videos down to a more moderate speed.

[@ponapo9653]

Thanks!!! MotionCam and FilmicPro it's so good

[@phonecomp]

I agree! So glad you like them!

[@gabri1206]

Nice vid bro

[@phonecomp]

Thank you Gaboro!

[@MihailBurduja]

I have Filmic Pro on my S22 Ultra it looks way better than what you're getting, although I don't have the option for LogV3, only LogV2.

[@phonecomp]

Hello Mihail! That's strange, do you have the Exynos model?

[@MihailBurduja]

@@phonecomp yes, exynos, I'm on filmic pro beta

[@phonecomp]

@@MihailBurduja Maybe that's it? I'm using the Snapdragon model and non-beta filmic. It has been disappointing, I generally like Filmic on most devices though.

[@MihailBurduja]

@@phonecomp the quality from your S22 on FilmiPro is abysmal, in my case it's better than stock camera pro video mode which is already good

[@phonecomp]

@@MihailBurduja I think I did that test with Filmic Labs turned on, but I haven't tested with the S22 and Filmic in a while, so maybe I should revisit that.

[@mrpink330]

Where ere You running? Just slow down because I'm not sure who's talking. Human? or bot.

[@phonecomp]

Hello Mr Pink! Yes, this video was way too breathlessly edited. I've slown down quite a lot since then. I hope it was still useful! Also, don't pester me with your silly human questions . . . I mean, uh . . . questions, just questions. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[@mrpink330]

@phonecomp You did a great job. I already tried raw video. Looks incredible. Of course I don't need it for daily use but it's nice to now it works that way. I own this app several years but does not work with my p30pro but with s23u works great. I thing there should be option of standard h264 video with bitrate settings and some tweaks like contrast, saturation etc to correct image. My old Nokia 808 still remember my setings of contrast -1, saturation-1 etc

[@phonecomp]

Thank you, yes a simpler h.264 option would be a great addition.

[@jettschenker]

All this footage is terrible just buy a real camera, man.

[@playmatee1]

motion cam on s20 has to little fps

[@phonecomp]

I'm sorry to hear that Playmatee. It's not optimized for every device. You could also try reducing the resolution or the memory usage?

[@FernandoMtnezFoto]

Very useful video but unconfortable to listen. It seems to be narrated by a robot; not natural.

[@phonecomp]

You're absolutely right Nando, I've slowed down my edits significantly since I posted this video. I'm glad you were still able to find it useful!

[@uknighthuntingvision93]

Filmic Pro are going to Subscription............ so no way hosea

[@phonecomp]

You're right UK, I'm not planning on paying for the subscription either. It's disappointing.

[@4ktur]

Pixel cam isn't good they use ai that's why

[@danielosetromera2090]

Ten times larger, but not ten times better. For me phone raw video it's not worth it, especially considering you can get even better quality than filmic pro with mcpro24fps. Besides, motioncam is a very unreliable app (for the moment, at least) and depending on your device it can work great or simply not work at all, with all possible shades of gray in between.

[@phonecomp]

Hello Daniel! You are right, I wouldn't say the raw footage has ever turned out 10 times better than with Filmic or the stock camera apps on different phones. I still need to try mcpro! I've tried MotionCam on 7 different devices so far, and on two I got the system messages telling me the app was unresponsive (when I was switching to manage videos), but besides that and a few crashes when I was testing with ram allotments and unsupported frame rates-i'd say the app has been generally stable. I'm going to incorporate the app into my camera test reviews so I'm sure you're right about some really buggy implementations--and hopefully I'll find them! Also the developer is working on a "pro" version soon, so more support should be coming. Can I ask, did you find this video hard to watch because of how fast the editing was?

[@danielosetromera2090]

@@phonecomp I wouldn't say editing was fast per se, but maybe you could have some pauses between some phrases. Beyond that, video was very informative and well put together.

[@phonecomp]

@@danielosetromera2090 Thank you Daniel! I'm currently re-editing my upcoming video to stay fast, but sound more natural. I've been getting a lot of feedback about how it was hard to listen to the video because of the pacing, so good to know that not everyone finds it intolerable!

[@rexyCS]

"not ten times better" fat L. Your opinion is irrelevant

[@vladislavtolmachev2767]

Very hard to listen when you speak without a single break in your speech !!!

[@phonecomp]

You're right Vlad! Sorry for the rough edit, I've slowed down in more recent videos. Hopefully the video was still useful!