Dune Part Two changed my life

[@FilmSpeak]

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[@thecolllectors5659]

please do an Attack on Titan Episode

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

It's a very modern book with rich themes and motifs, but also it's a sign of better Hollywood with actual human superheroes and the possible danger they would pose to humanity.

[@di3486]

Missed opportunity to bring the richness of Dune beyond spectacle.

[@di3486]

@@tommyboman7735 The story is very deep and complex but the movie did a poor job script wise. Looks more like a theater play with take jumps to the main developments without a cohesive story line. The director tried so hard to scream the message to the audience that he failed miserably at actually transmitting that message.

[@PreacherAtArrakeen]

THE MOVIE MUAD 'DIB IS NOT MUAD 'DIB! IT IS AN ABOMINATION! I, THE PREACHER AT ARRAKEEN HAVE SPOKEN!

[@trekgreenwood6743]

A detail of the film I thought was scary was in the end, the Freman don’t even collect the bodies for water anymore, they just burn them. That’s how much they blindly believe water will soon be coming to the planet. Edit: I'd like to add from what some people have said in the comments. Yes, I know that it’s supposed to mirror the beginning of the film how the Harkonnens were burning the Atreides bodies, and now under Paul’s ruling, the Freman are burning the Harkonnen bodies. There’s also the perspective that Harkonnen water is basically only good for stillsuits compared to drinking it. But additionally, the Freman didn't even think to feed the bodies to the worms either. They won't even offer the bodies to their god. Goes to show how far they've strayed by following Paul.

[@FilmSpeak]

That's such a great point. Really shows how the cult of Paul has completely consumed them.

[@Usernumber777]

It heavy because muad’dip would always go the fremen way

[@lcps6805]

Wow I didn't even notice that! Great catch

[@cxmxqx]

nice catch bro, i didn’t notice that

[@dynomitejones]

It’s also like- they have become what they hated

[@reikowallach2465]

I love how "lead them to paradise" parallels "give them hell". They mean the same thing, but carry very different meaning at the same time. Genius.

[@VictorIV0310]

Could also be interpreted as “Kill them all”. Just like dear old grandpa, it seems.

[@richmarkham1]

I agree. Paul knows he's sending them on a war that will kill billions.

[@WardenNFG]

4:35 Watching dune is not a problem to be solved, but a reality to be experienced.

[@divyeshkotthakota7035]

nice reference to a quote from the book haha

[@johslekven7152]

It's also in part 1

[@8301TheJMan]

you have to move with the process

[@di3486]

*reading*

[@SteveBoyer10]

You must flow with the process.

[@laurenherrmann_videos]

Just a quick note, Paul didn't abandon the name Usal. It's referred to as his secret name, so I imagine he wouldn't use it when addressing the Imperium. In fact, it might even be considered disrespectful to the Freman if he DID use it publicly.

[@Sam_T2000]

he calls himself ‘Paul Muad’Did Atreides” at the Fremen war council, though. maybe he didn’t technically give up the name ‘Usul,’ but I think the video’s general interpretation is correct.

[@TechQuest]

@@Sam_T2000 Usul is his name in Sietch Tabr, not even other Fremen know this name. His public name is "Muad'Dib", it is said in the movie but it's a lot clearer in the books.

[@Sam_T2000]

@@TechQuest - I thought it was even more exclusive than that, like only his fellow Fedaykin know his secret name, as a form of camaraderie? early in the movie he puts away his Atreides ring, and then puts it back on once he finds the atomics and shows it off at the war council, embracing his personal desires over the Fremen, you know?

[@archmaester6594]

Usul is his war name. Kind of like the pseudonym or call sign of modern soldiers. (In Top Gun, "Maverick" is the callsign of Tom Cruise's character) Muad'dib is his Fremen name. In the books, he had a vision of people worshipping him and calling him 'Muad'dib' so to avoid that future he choose to name himself after a harmless mouse... which happened to be also called Muad'dib

[@laurenherrmann_videos]

​@@Sam_T2000yes, I think the ring symbolizes this moreso than the names, though including his original last name is also significant. I don't think he does that at any other point in the movie. Even in the scene with the fighters, Stilgard uses his first name Paul when addressing him by both of his new names, but not his original last name, if I remember correctly.

[@ralph90009]

A point: The Kwisaz Haderach is by definition a male. The plan of the Bene Gesserit was to have Leto and Jessica's daughter have a son with Feyd Ruatha and that was to be the Kwisaz Haderach, but under Bene Gesserit control instead of out in the wild with an axe to grind and phenomenal cosmic power. Edit: Also, the Fremen Messiah/ Lisan Al Gaib is a prophecy manufactured by the Bene Gesserit's Missionara Protectiva in case a sister is marooned with the Fremen. They have these seeded in indigenous populations throughout the imperium. They are unrelated to the Kwisaz Haderach breeding program.

[@tatianar9429]

Kwisaz Haderach was intended a culmination of 90-or-so, if I remember correctly, generations of eugenics. The fact of the matter is yes, there's some genetic crossover between Paul Atreidis and what the program was looking to create, but there are genetic lines and ancestral memories that Paul simply doesn't have access to, because quite a few noble houses' genoms were being collected in Feud-Rautha. So Paul's precognition and access to genetic memories and enhancements is not as complete as it could have been if Kwisaz Haderach were actually born. Paul with all his phenomenal cosmic powers is a pale approximation of powers his intended progeny would've had. Whether he would be under the Bene Gesserit's control or not is debatable: people and institutions nearly always overestimate how controllable things they create are, especially since the creation would have ended up so phenomenally more powerful that any of the people aiming to control him.

[@GreylanderTV]

Taking the "Paul as villain" analysis too far by ignoring that Paul's extreme prescience is part of the diegetic reality of Dune. Paul is not perfect, nor omniscient, but he _is_ profoundly prescient and his visions, especially after drinking the Water of Life, are not delusions. They don't always come true because he sees the landscape of possible futures, not _the_ singular future. Something more akin to quantum probabilities. While it is true that he becomes a villain from the perspective of billions of people across the galactic empire, he does so because he is choosing (or at least attempting to choose) the "least evil" path for the greatest part of humanity. Paul's prescience confronts him with the _trolley problem,_ but on an unimaginable scale. He certainly possess human weaknesses and the bias of his upbringing as royalty to believe himself, possessed of an innate right to lead, to rule. This is not in and of itself evil, especially if the sees his role as that of steward. There is an arrogance to it, of course. But if you were taught from birth that it was your natural place to rule, you'd be hard pressed not to believe it. Further more, once power comes to you, it is nearly impossible to relinquish, however much you may wish to. You may abdicate, but having given up your power, those who fill the vacuum will always see you as a potential threat. You will never be safe. Few consider this _trap_ that royalty are born into, not of their own choosing. Because the books let us see Paul's thoughts, we know him to be far more selfless than most people. We cannot know for sure whether his choice of the "least evil" path is, indeed, the least evil, because while his prescience is real, it is not omniscient or absolute. His motive may not be absolutely pure, but they are cleaner than most. In this way Herbert succeeds to well: he gave us a hero, a dictator, that we would easily root for, "for all the right reason". Thus Herbert undermines his own intended _warning_ about charismatic leaders and fanatical loyalty. Even _Dune Messiah_ and subsequent boos fail to wholly repair this flawed, nearly contradictory, message.

[@KrissAstronomist]

A great comment!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@ryanhampson673]

It’s more Paul starts a movement that quickly goes out of control and he can’t stop it. A charismatic leader riles up a population to the point its beyond that leaders control. The people won’t listen to the leader anymore because they believe that much.

[@GreylanderTV]

@@ryanhampson673 Yes, but because of Paul's prescience he knows this is going to happen ahead of time, so he has a degree of responsibility for it. The prescience complicates every moral question about Paul's actions. On the one hand he foresees the prices of his revenge, but on the other hand he sees deep time and that the jihad is ultimately a lesser evil for humanity as a whole.

[@derangedberger]

Agreed, it also gets even more convoluted by the time of God-Emperor, with Leto II stating that humanity would have been extinct if not for the golden path. Now we've gone from "Paul radicalizes a population into genocidal war because he has no choice but to become their leader" to "Paul literally saved the human race, albeit at the cost of untold human suffering"

[@Unlike__]

Im pretty sure Paul specifically chooses the path that awards him revenge though. I think he sees multiple futures where he survives but simply dies on arrakis without a holy war, he just ignores them. Later on, though, he does set his sights on the golden path.

[@goldenlightpictures6223]

From “feeling nothing” to having his life changed. Griffins dune character arc is complete! 😁 😅

[@FilmSpeak]

You could say that 🥹

[@Tommy1977777]

The Sleeper has Awakened.

[@FatherGapon-gw6yo]

Cocaine is one hell of a drug.

[@joaquinwaters1810]

“Here lies a toppled god, his fall was not a small one. We did but build his pedestal, a narrow and a tall one.” - Dune Messiah

[@Carlos-im3hn]

This version of Dune (movie) leaves out a lot of details that were what added so much depth to the plots and scenes. Leaving out Alia, and Bene Gesserit details from 2nd movie are missing. As an engineer the sound-based "word" and Weirding Modules were amazing technology that was truely amazing that should have been shown like in the 1984 movie version. The Weirding Modules were the counterpoint to the lasers and other weapons. They were like amazing weapons to counter the Baron's. These details should have been included.

[@joaquinwaters1810]

@@Carlos-im3hn I’m aware of the changes, I’m a huge book fan. They don’t bother me terribly; the essence and themes were captured perfectly, which is really what matters imo. Which is how I also know the Weirding Modules are NOT in the book at all. They were an invention for the 1984 film.

[@Kcpvvy15]

What I adore about Paul’s arc is that it’s similar to what i used to love Eren Jaeger for. He does these horrible things yes, because he is corrupted but he genuinely chose THE best option to save all of humanity and the fremen. In so many futures the enemies win, the Harkonnens exhibit evil dominance over the galaxy, the emperor murdering the Fremen, the entire universe failing etc. he does all of the awful things you said he does in the movie but at the same time, he quite literally has no other choice. That complexity of knowing what you do is awful but it’s somehow still the most beneficial choice for all is such an interesting and complex conflict and I love how many ways you can look at it and the effects that pressure must have on a young man

[@_Donovan]

Paul was made retroactively a coward in later books. He wasnt strong enough to sacrifice himself initially (dying, and preventing the holy war) and he wasnt strong enough to sacrifice himself again. (Turn into a worm, live thousands of years alone and be hated universally He brought humanity into a giant war and peaced out to do drugs and get raped. It was his son was actually heroic in an eren jeager type of way. Putting in thousands of years of work breeding prescience, and hatred for himself to get humanity to go out into the stars and survive anything thrown at them. Long live the god emperor Duncan however is the real hero of the story- he achieves true freedom after countless lifetimes of death and struggle, with a sex goddess to boot!

[@lewystyles]

I will never understand how people weren’t gripped right away from Dune

[@pieceofadrian]

Like my experience and the video...For people who haven't read the book it's a slow burner experience. The lore and source material is great but the movie doesn't force this on us by having to explain everything but invites us in. The 1984 didn't give it justice so people coming into to the new movies brought in a weird pre taste. The recent movies let us unravel the greatness of the Dune epic..

[@ralph90009]

I'm a huge fan of the original books, and Part 1 was… ok. There's a ton of setup (even with all they cut out) and most of the payoff is in Part 2. There really isn't a way to fit all of it coherently into one movie, the fact that Villeneuve managed to make it even recognizable - let alone magnificent as it was - in two movies is still amazing.

[@eileensnow6153]

My boyfriend and I got in a fight over spoilers 😂 neither one of us had read the books and yet we were instantly compelled to

[@doubllechief6926]

I think it’s a case of people who like setup and people who don’t. I personally do, so I was 100% down for Part 1, it was my favourite movie of 2021. But I think there’s people who just need the traditional setup and payoff in the same film. I knew what I was getting into, 1 book chopped into 2 movies, so I knew the story would feel incomplete after the first…

[@Zed-fq3lj]

Because it's an empty shell with no substance, with no concepts of the book explained, with characters deprived of meaning and interest, because it has NOTHING apart from fancy sound and visual effects!

[@Patrick_Bateman____]

The part that hit me the hardest was in Dune Pt. 2 when the great houses refuse to honor Paul’s ascension. Paul looked devastated for a moment. He’d seen the jihad to come and the billions dead. He knew this was likely an inevitability. He made a final desperate attempt to take the throne without a war and was unable to. That just crushed me. If you’ve read Messiah you know the horrors to come.

[@Tman001100]

Right and how unceremoniously Paul's end is and how tragic/heartbreaking it is. Also, the sacrifices his son, Leto II has to make in order to save humankind is also heartbreaking.

[@scatterbrainedreviews]

I already feel like Part 2 is the epic movie of my 20s that’ll be discussed years from now like a lord of the rings or og Star Wars trilogy. It not only had different friends of mine coming together to talk about it repeatedly after multiple viewings, it also has people picking up the books again. Messiah was sold out at a few spots near me! My friends and I are reading the series now and passing the books around. Truly a movie that hits and will be remembered!

[@KymHammond]

I read Dune in my late teens just before travelling. It was a formidable story that in a way helped shape how we made sense of the Middle East and Northern Africa as the world of that time came to grips with oil nations asserting their sovereignty across global politics. The story is still timely post Arab Spring, Afghanistan, Syria and now Palestine. Or even the rise of the political right across the West and how religion is now playing into that as a unifying force of supposed moral good.Slowly dropping the pretence of democracy for military might and increasing authoritarianism global politics in different quarters appears to be trying to similarly make Gods out of our leaders and our beliefs of them as such. Dune will stay with you that’s for sure.

[@gilgamesh8334]

Lmao don’t be ridiculous, the movie is so much style over substance and completely misses the point of the key themes

[@scatterbrainedreviews]

@@gilgamesh8334 definitely don’t see it that way. But hey to each his own 😁

[@KymHammond]

@@gilgamesh8334 it’s operatic which requires the audience to know the story. To convey this story the sets need to be big - and bigger than Star Wars, which is really a western, not sifi.

[@kixirFGC]

There’s is no way you think dune will have the same impact lotr and Star Wars will have…. Paul is the only character anyone cares about 🤣

[@armacanqui]

I’ve seen Dune 2 five times now (3 on IMAX, including the legendary 70mm format), and it truly has become a God-tier film for me. The adaptations by Villeneuve have been masterful in balancing faithfulness to the novel while forging a path of their own (on top of being palatable to general audiences and not insulting discerning viewers’ intelligence). I’m fully in board the Denis Al Gaib train, as I’m confident he will be able to adapt Dune: Messiah in a similar vein as the first book.

[@ToRo909r]

You got me beat. I have 3 on IMAX and 1 regular screen so far. It’s such an amazing film.

[@жирнаякурица]

the movie was epic but how do you watch the same stuff multiple times? i find it tough watching any movie multiple times no matter how epic they are (probably once in the space of decades, that too if i'm feeling bored)

[@jasonthomas9319]

Thankfully Villanueve is going to ignore alot of the messiah nonsense just like he ignored the first books nonsense. Remember the great houses didn't reject paul in the books and messiah is years later.

[@jaredloveys9617]

​@user-bh5kq5ue3r I've watched it 10 times and it's the only movie I've ever been able to keep watching it and noticed more and more every time

[@jasonthomas9319]

@@jaredloveys9617 I second that, it's insane how much is communicated with no dialogue.

[@leophoenix2155]

I didn't see Dune Part One in theatres back in 2021, but after watching it for the first time a few months ago I knew I needed to see Part Two on the big screen. These movies give me hope for the future of filmmaking. If I had more free-time I would definitely see this again in theatres. (Maybe not 5 times though)

[@ot7biasedmashups]

Exactly my experience two weeks ago. I was bored so I decided to watch Dune part one as it seemed like a movie that isn't the typical color blast blockbuster. Ended up GAGGED and immediately checked if it was still available in cinemas. Turns out most of them didn't even play part two anymore except for one over 120km away from me. I decided that it was worth it and OH YES IT WAS. I'm still shocked.

[@kg30004]

Love when a movie develops the audience as a character

[@CitizenScott]

Yeah one-dimensional lazy writing rules.

[@dennisduncan7561]

@CitizenScott Silence troll. You clearly are incapable of understanding high art.

[@Leppalimes]

I'm hoping for one small glimpse of Paul's potential Golden Path in Dune Messiah. Two seconds, that's all I ask. If you know you know.

[@yup7380]

Denis could take creative approch with that and turn in into a visual storytelling masterpiece on how trapped Paul and humanity are by the future

[@KymHammond]

That is a spoiler alert for the context of this excellent review - what a treat, and so needed- and for the next film. There is also enough books is the series to make another two films.

[@Klikoderat]

The second movie had some shots of a famine, I was assuming this is the golden path.

[@Zed-fq3lj]

consume the next product and don't think about this one!

[@Klikoderat]

@@Zed-fq3lj I've been thinking about the Dune books for 25 years now.

[@Usernumber777]

“lead them to paradise “

[@Zed-fq3lj]

who?

[@sci-fihorizons2867]

​@@Zed-fq3ljthe Great Houses

[@Zed-fq3lj]

@@sci-fihorizons2867 And where are they? Did we see them? Or The Guild? What Guild 😒? Or the Mentats? Or Butlerian Jihad? Did we learn any concept about Dune from this empty shell of a movie which has no ending? Come on...🙄

[@dennisduncan7561]

He's talking about leading the Fremen to conquest over the other housed. Did you seriously not grasp the obvious subtext of the comment? and you have the gall to call this movie empty. FYI the Butlarian Jihad happens thousands of years before the events of the movie dunce.

[@Zed-fq3lj]

Listen to me, uber dunce - Where are those Houses?! Where are the shots, at least one shot from the so called space saga? Some story about them? You can't keep finishing movies in the middle of a sentence and make tv series out of them! Butlarian Jihad was a MUST exposition at least at some point, otherwise people who haven't read the books wouldn't be confuzzled about why those people didn't have computers and waved knives 10 000 years into the future! Where is the bloody GUILD???!!! You know the Guild - which basically controls that universe, nimrod? Don't be obtuse...barely someone remembers this movie two months from its premiere, in one year nobody will remember it, because IT'S AN EMPTY SHELL...you can't artificially elevate something that is above average on a level of a masterpiece simply because media told you so! Get over it - you live in a decaying, soulless world devoid of reason, creativity, politeness. Can your deevolutionary sarcasm process that? @@dennisduncan7561

[@Maya_Ruinz]

Had the same feeling the first time I read the book, it wasn’t until I reread it that I was pulled in and it changed my life. 25 years later I Iive and breathe the story, I used to meditate on the litany of fear in order to get through my basic training in the military.

[@Venator2015]

Please PLEASE make an entire video on the use of Jamis. He appears in the early Holy War visions as a guiding force for Paul and represents all Fremen life rather than the MAN Jamis. And I would love to see more people talk about this fascinating take on the character.

[@Sam_T2000]

_Part 2_ needed way more visions, with Jamis or whoever. _Part 1_ needed more Jamis in general… he appears in the prologue, but then he doesn’t show up again until Paul’s vision in the Coriolis storm. also, Jamis’ family, for whom Paul became responsible, might’ve been a nice addition… and perhaps they get killed when the Harkonnens attacks Sietch Tabr, in place of Leto 1.5?

[@xicoxnicx]

This truly resonates with me. This movie became a top 10 all timer for me by the third watch.

[@randomknowledgeperson2872]

i’m a teenager right now and i’ve been disappointed at watching all these new and bland blockbusters while also seeing the ones that came out in the past. it made me feel sad that i’ve missed the era of amazing blockbusters. but after Dune Part 2 i’ve finally been given hope that maybe we’re entering the new era of blockbusters and i just can’t wait for the future

[@fuzzyhair321]

This is for you what lord of the rings was for me. I was 9 when fellowship came out and that influenced me

[@nethaendafendr]

Had the 100% EXACT same experience as you did, mate. First viewing on first film, I felt it was slow and somewhat convoluted. Second time around, I liked it way more. Though first viewing for this, man. From soundtrack to cinematography to direction to writing to acting to the perfect feel of science fiction and Dune as a whole, this film’s no short of perfection. And I can see that with how much of a passion project this video essay was.

[@worlddd7777]

Dune story is way too complex for casual audience. There are no heros, no bad guys, no happy ending, no hero to save the day. And keep in mind movies dont portray full Dune story all that well, there is so much missing

[@knightonart8886]

If Dune Messiah sticks the landing, then I believe this trilogy will age very nicely.

[@tim_is_random]

And then Villenueve will move on, and the rights holders will make subpar sequels, prequels, and spinoffs with lesser directors…

[@worlddd7777]

People wont like Messiah, there is no redemption for Paul

[@tim_is_random]

@@worlddd7777 You can't trust people. People like Coldplay and voted for the nazis.

[@gerdaleta]

​@@worlddd7777😮 so you didn't read God emperor😮 his son is his redemption😮 without the golden path humanity is extinct😮

[@worlddd7777]

@@gerdaletaYes i did. His son is, maybe, redemption but at a cost of many many lives. And again, people who didnt read will only see Pauls tragic fate in Messiah and even worse in book 3.

[@Bige220]

I dont think this guy really understood this movie. Jessica had Paul because Leto asked her for a boy, and she loved him, so she gave him a boy. Among other misunderstandings.

[@HolographicThoughts]

Absolutely right. Misunderstanding the lore will cause this videos audience to get the wrong idea on character morality.

[@excaliburknives3572]

@@HolographicThoughtsguys Leto II isn’t a bad guy. He’s just a silly billy.

[@rahulpare4414]

Epicness of Dune Part 2 can't be comparable with Avengers, Avatar or overrated star wars but it can be in fact on par and comparable with the greatness and epicness of the fantasy masterpiece The Lord of Rings.

[@worlddd7777]

Ending was little bit rushed, some characters little bit hollow. Great movie, but not so sure its masterpiece

[@petter8166]

both dunes are some of my favourite movies ever

[@Zed-fq3lj]

what a wasted life 🙄

[@jaredloveys9617]

Watching them one after the other is insane makes both movies better

[@petter8166]

@@jaredloveys9617 my local cinema showed them back to back on opening day,i sadly couldnt go there

[@jaredloveys9617]

@petter8166 damn that would of been an experience

[@dennisduncan7561]

​@@Zed-fq3ljQuiet you.

[@jdslipknot]

Paul's speech towards the war council was pure gas.

[@n0body550]

Leto ironically telling Paul the future in the first film even though he’s the one that couldn’t see the future

[@Makaneek5060]

I don't see why so many people were surprised about Paul's proposal to Irulan, its dirty but just was political marriages were through all history. It should be obvious that Dune shows a regressive future, people giving up marriages for love is part of that.

[@dominicarroyo6269]

As for the characters,I don't think it was something he ever mentioned of doing so to them especially chani it was a shock. For the audience who don't really know anything about dune ,it was a shock because they was only ever shown of Paul and chani being destined to be together in both movies to then actually becoming a thing finally in the second film,so when that happens to them it was a shock because they didn't see it coming

[@Makaneek5060]

@@dominicarroyo6269 I guess I'm not so mainstream then lol, I saw that coming in the book but was totally befuddled by Count Fenring being invisible to prescience in the book even though in hindsight that's probably based on Tom Bombadil.

[@CinqueTerre558]

Paul Atreides’s life is “between a rock and a hard place” in every decision he makes.

[@christopherpumphrey7023]

I don’t see this take too often. However, on my second watching I noticed that the score does an interesting thing with Paul’s achievements. From the worm ride on, there is an intense undertone of doom obscured by triumph. It was an impressive foreshadowing done by Zimmer.

[@katiteleri5674]

Read God Emperor and the rest of the books. This is part of a much larger story about the Bene Gesserit. God Emperor is stunning.

[@Tman001100]

Agreed. God Emperor of Dune is my favorite book of the saga. As complex as Paul was, his son Leto II becomes immensely more complex and downright mythical. The enormous time jump from Children of Dune to God Emperor was jarring and the whole idea of Leto II's metamorphosis and him living for thousands of years blew my mind. I really hope God Emperor can be adapted to a live-action series more so rather than a movie as I don't think it could be made to work as a movie. It would be the most difficult to adapt, for sure though.

[@icantaloupe9103]

As a massive Dune fan, this analysis is like complete nonsense, but hey, I'm glad you enjoyed it

[@quigglyz]

It’s an analysis of the 2 movies, not the 900 books, friend.

[@icantaloupe9103]

@@quigglyz It's still pretty nonsensical, even as an analysis of the only the movies

[@karinanalbandyan3009]

Hey I am genuinely interested in your comment, and would like to know what are some of the major mistakes you think he made? I did not read the books but I have seen in the films and I do love the Dune universe. I realize that with Dune films just like with the LOTR & Hobbit films, as audience members we are only given a glimpse into those worlds. Without reading the books we are missing out on the larger world history, lineages/family lines, battles and conquests, etc…, so you probably would be the person to know more about the Dune universe. I don’t mean no disrespect towards this content creator, but I think to me personally he seems a bit too enthusiastic with his review. It’s almost as if it’s forced, and not organic. He’s given the review on this film as of he doesn’t even have constructive criticism to add to this review. It’s almost he’s decorating this film with nothing but positives and it seems unnatural. No disrespect but it feels like he’s trying to kiss up to someone. Maybe the person who had interviewed he feels like he owes it to them to give this excellent review on the film.

[@damienx0x]

It's not complete nonsense. Grow up and accept that opinion is subjective.

[@icantaloupe9103]

@@damienx0x 👶

[@FrumiousMing8]

"Lead them to paradise." WHAT A LINE TO END ON...CHILLING God I love Dune so much.

[@ILLUSIONZ224vh4ip]

Lets see if Dune Messiah will hit this same level

[@marsMayflower]

I was 7 when I saw The Empire Strikes Back when it released and even at that young age, it changed my idea of what movies could be. Nothing has made me feel that way until I watched Dune 2 on opening weekend. I've watched it at least 20 times, now, and it still captures my attention on every viewing.

[@juancalara3997]

I missed movies like this, this is cinema, we need more movies and stories like Dune

[@austinhurt4009]

I think, in the movie more so than the book, Paul really isn’t being blinded by his upbringing as much as he has been thrust into this role without his choice, he is the son of a bene gesserit plus a duke and has extreme prescience which he didn’t choose, gurney and basically everyone,even his visions, low key force him to go south and take the water of life which makes him change so much, in the book Paul decides to take the water of life on his own so I think it’s very interesting the differing motivations. Amazing video all around super excited with all of this love Dune is getting!

[@TheGrinningCritic]

I couldn’t get on the train with Dune like you initially but I feel like I need to rewatch it again. But Dune: Part Two is one of the best movies ever made.

[@MelancholyPepper]

I had the same experience. Rewatching the first part after seeing the second was immensely enjoyable

[@TheGrinningCritic]

@@MelancholyPepper I need to do that.

[@theavatar9191]

Dune Part 1 is also one of the best films ever made

[@Jason_xofilos]

You are mostly right about Jessica. But you must understand she has been changed by drinking then transforming the “Water of Life”. As she explained to Paul she receives all the experiences and memories of the former Reverend Mothers of the Freman. So it’s her mind but impacted by all those memories. Paul basically died twice through out Dune Part 1 & 2. First by killing Jamis in this duel thus Killing Lord Paul Atreides, Duke Paul Atreides, Duke of Arrakis Then Paul becomes Paul Maus’dib Usul Fredaykin Warrior who dies drinking the “Water of Life”. And we are left with the new being with the mind of Paul who has all the experiences and memories of his genetic history if both men women if his past. Paul is now Paul Maud’dib Atreides, Duke of Arrakis he is the Kwisatz Haderach apparently What you are missing is the weight of all the past experiences and memories which can then be used to predict the future. Now you are correct Paul makes the decision to go south and drink the “Water of Life”. Frank Herbert’s warning not follow a Messiah blindly because the may be a high cost both to the Freman themselves and the billions of humans who will die in the coming “Holy War”. The unbelievable thing is Paul becomes the Freman Messiah at terrible cost to the Freman and the rest of the Galaxy’s humanity.

[@Nolimitsbestfriend]

dune really opened my mind up the message for me was keep moving forward through the trials and tribulations.

[@Sam_T2000]

what I took away was “use more spice when cooking.”

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

Lol, "keep moving forward"? You're gonna love Attack On Titan.

[@Nolimitsbestfriend]

@@2KOOLURATOOLGaming i don't like the author other thsn that aot is pretty good

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

@Nolimitsbestfriend Isayama? Haven't heard anything controversial about him but I do know that AOT is in my top 5 best written stories of all time. The complexity and amount of themes, the character development, the progress from the first to last episode, the heart and the triumph. I highly recommend. Fortunately it has very few anime tropes and you get used to the ones that are there.

[@lidu6363]

I understood so many parts differentlly. To list a few... Paul being the Kwisatz Haderach was NOT what the Bene Gesserit wanted because the whole point of their planning was to have him under their control. Paul was not searching for "greatness," likely the opposite. But after gaining the sight from the Water of Life, he stopped being himself, and the part that remained wanted revenge.

[@milkbucket3526]

What I love is that the second movie actually enhances the first movie when you go back to watch it, I’m going to be honest, the first movie definitely has it’s flaws but with the second movie to compliment it, it helps complete the experience

[@howell90002003]

You are missing a little… he really wanted to just be Fremen and not go south. Pun intended he goes south because there is no other way. Then when he awakens he sees more than he will ever tell you in this movie. He is the ultimate power because he knows how to save humanity but like Thanos knew it requires sacrifice

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

But what if, like Eren Jaeger, he is too small and too narcissistic to actually know the right path, instead, dooming the universe to a fixed reality that he has perceived, without ever knowing that there is a better one?

[@StanDarsh1997]

Interesting thought. I never thought about comparison to AOT. However, Eren was always full of doubt. Whereas Paul eventually used the "lie" after taking the water of life to get revenge for his family and the protection of his new family.

[@coopersayers891]

I had a big turnaround with Dune Part One as well. I watched it once and thought it was good but not great and I didn’t watch it again until the day I went to go see Part Two and I fell in love with it. I became obsessed with Dune. I’ve now read Dune and Dune Messiah. Dune Part Two is one of my favorite sci-if movies ever made.

[@drewmorrison]

You know how good Part 2 is by the fact that it makes part 1 a better movie. That’s when you know you have a great film. Maybe Disney should have learned that concept with Star Wars instead of undoing everything movie that came before it

[@TheMrBuGyZ]

You should read the book bro! Cuz now you totaly did not get the point! The story is mutch MUTCH deeper than you relise. Paul is afraid of his terrible purpose, but he is hopless to do anything about it. He is bound to that purpose. Like a puppet of devine act.

[@TheMrBuGyZ]

So yeah read the books bro!

[@justinbailey2902]

I’m excited for dune Messiah in the books it’s paints Paul more so as feeling like he is a slave to his prophecies and in the end he chooses to reject it where as Leto fully embraces being a tyrant

[@ShinobiDrip999]

I love that Denis made Chani skeptical of the Ilsan Al Ghaib instead of her blind devotion in the book to keep a balanced perspective for the audience. Frank Herbert after writing the first book said his readers kinda misinterpreted Paul as the prototypical hero and that's why he wrote Dune Messiah so he can show the audience his true intentions.

[@DavidDuchov]

Next time Disney serves me a bol of bullshit movie and tells me I'm toxic for not loving it.... #MakeItLikeDune

[@kenandbarbie-b6c]

It’s helpful to read the last book published by Frank Herbert in the Dune series, “Chapterhouse Dune”. Superior humans that evolved much quicker than those in the Bene Gesserit program of eugenics through breeding likely orchestrated the events of Dune. Face Dancers are hardly visible in the Dune series, which isn’t surprising since those that are running things are likely nearly unseen. Frank Herbert drew from many sources, but in Dune, he took facets of great religions from the deserts of the Middle East- Islam & Christianity. Paul is the reluctant prophet (like Jonah), who was chosen but compelled to act. Paul also is resurrected from being dead, in accordance to prophecy. There were many things that the Bene Gesserit could not possibly have controlled that occurred as miraculous coincidences in Dune. That was because the Bene Gesserit were not in control like they thought they were. They were staged. Paul is the chosen one, even against his will. Paul is not the real dictator. It would be Leto II later, one of his offspring. There is a question if Paul really had free will- if you are chosen, you really don’t have a choice. Stilgar was more correct in his assessment than we are first led to believe. Remember Paul could see the possible futures & just has to follow the script to choose which future? In his battle with Feyd Rautha he knew he had to be stabbed to be victorious. He followed the script, like Jesus did when he was crucified. I could go on, but Frank Herbert & science fiction in general was pretty deep 50 years ago. We shouldn’t underestimate their thought or education, just because we have computers & an internet now.

[@jan-willemdebruijn3376]

I watched it like 20 times now and cant get enough!! Masterpiece!

[@malligrub]

Nice vid...but one of the most incorrect takes about what Paul is, was and becomes...

[@legionofthedamned157]

The golden path, the walking of it, has begun

[@DiamondWoodStudios]

Bro this video spoke to the exact feelings I was feeling when I watched the first dune: surrendering to the movie when Jamis was telling Paul to “let go” when he was flying the chopper. As soon as I let go I felt the true emotion and feeling of the film which in my opinion is these movies greatest aspect. oh ya, HANS FUCKING ZIMMER

[@imacg5]

I see this in a different light. Paul has always known he's the son of his father and mother, the question is which way does he go: he wanted to choose his father's way, the way of trust, love, and leading, but ultimately, he went his mother's way, the way of secret, power, and controlling. In the process, he walked his own path for a while - those moments he's with Chani - and deviated from the Bene Gesserit's planning path, which is also his maternal grandmother's way. In the end, it's the family-killing Harkonnen blood came on top - his maternal grandfather's way. The deviation is important, because other than this bit, everything seemed to be under Bene Gesserit's control - even Lady Jessica's rebellion. The moment Paul and Chani fell in love and had a future, Bene Gesserit's fate was sealed. And this deviation echoes with his mother's rebellion, in that they are both results of love (Jessica decided to have a boy instead of a girl out of love for Leto, Chani became the mother of the future God-Emperor as a complete outsider of House politics). In other words, determinism, though seemingly inevitable, is doomed to fail because of love. But all in all, it's a bloody mess.

[@TheMoonLayingLow]

why would a person who had never read Dune and didn't even like the first movie 4x, hold up Denis Villeneuve in an interview like that? Seems very convenient you just happened to "finally love it" right before talking to him

[@FilmSpeak]

It was 100% by chance I got to talk with him. I didn't ask to, I didn't intend on it, I just happened to be at the right place at the right time. It's not like I said I saw the movie, still didn't like it, talked to him and THEN liked it. I saw and independent from my conversation with Denis found my way to enjoying it. He's also, ya know, made OTHER films that are incredible. Regardless, I think it was cool to be able to actually speak with one of the greatest working filmmakers about the film regardless of it I liked it or not. I just think the journey I went on with the film allowed for a special conversation to happen. He was thoroughly enjoying it too, that's why the line was held up.

[@TheMoonLayingLow]

@@FilmSpeak I have a really hard time believing he enthusiastically believes kept the interview going after you admitting to never reading Dune, and disliked the experience 4 / 5 times. I’m sure he wanted to keep talking to the random KZbinr who barely did basic research and apparently wanted to interview the man about different projects than the one he was there to promote. It sounds like he was just being polite, and you took that as delight. Have some self awareness

[@ads06.1]

I completely agree-at 51, I am all the more connected to movies like this on all of the levels you stated for all of the reasons you stated. I was a fan of the original Dune (1984) and absolutely loved it the first time I saw it and it grew on me over time, just like the original Blade Runner (1982). I was so excited about Dune One as I loved Blade Runner 2049 (I got hooked on Denis's movies with that one) and was absolutely blown away by Dune One - the storyline, the characters, the cinematography, and the music. But Dune Two... wow, just wow. The characters' depth and interplay were taken to a level I've never seen before and the ending - damn that ending! It left me saying, "dammit, it can't be over! You can't leave me hanging like this!!". I felt so many conflicting emotions competing with one another. Just like you said, watching Paul metamorphosize in front of our eyes through each important decision, watching Chani become so vulnerable and feeling crushed for her at the end, watching Gurney's mentoring and nudging him in a direction, and Paul wrestling with his father's death in Dune One and being in the position to avenge it. The good vs evil element was there - House Atreides (Good) vs Harkonen (Evil), but with dark elements within House Atreides as well (nothing is 100% perfect or pure). On that part, I had a bit of a different view about House Atreides as I didn't see them as a colonizer power grabber to the extent that was mentioned. For example, the only reason why House Atreides was on Arrakis was because the Emperor put them on Arrakis to create a war between the Harkonen and Atreides (Dune One), which Duke Leto saw at the very beginning and is why he was so firm with him on the seriousness of the situation. I didn't get the feel that House Atreides wanted to be there - they were pretty much put there with the Emperor putting Duke Leto on the spot. To add to this, Duke Leto engaged with the Fremen much differently than the Harkonnen, and his primary concern was getting spice production going, as it was sabotaged from the start. He knew he was dealt a horrific hand, and it didn't take long for the trap to be sprung on him in Dune One. I also saw Paul as genuinely curious and inexperienced (naive) about what awaited him on Arrakas. That was apparent with Gurney's stern rebukes as he fought the Harkonnen in the past and knew them to be brutal while knowing the Emperor was setting up Duke Leto for a fall with Paul included. Regarding the shaping the Fremen environment before House Atreides arrived on Dune in Dune One, it was the Bene Gesserit that were selling the prophecy which Paul pointed out to his mom "they see what they're told to see" or something like that. Paul wanted nothing to do with it and was more interested in finding Duncan, jumping in a stillsuit, and exploring the desert to find him some desert mice, worms, and Fremen to see if they're anything like what he study about back on Caladan. Fighting, killing, and playing "heir to the throne" wasn't something he wanted in any way, shape, or form. In an alternate universe, Duke Leto gets spice production up and running, Paul gets to learn about Arrakas, and then the Duke gets to return home with Paul as he gained some experience with worms, spice, desert mice, and the blue-eyed Fremen while tripping on some spice. But that's not how it played out, as Paul and his mother were instantly put in fight or flight (pun there) mode - make that survival mode - with House Atreides getting absolutely crushed and, for all intents and purposes, eradicated. Paul had to go from training with Gurney to fighting Harkonnen, and then being forced to fight against one of the Fremen for his and his mom's life - something he didn't want to do at all. He did this while pushing back hard against the teachings his mom had given him to make him a freak as he put it. At the end of Dune One, he knew that there was only one way to survive, and I saw a flicker of "maybe there's something to the stories that my mom's been telling me" at the end of it. Anyway, I didn't view House Atredies as an evil colonizing empire that was caught colonizing yet another planet to plant the House Atredies flag on -if anything, they didn't want to be there and were pawns in the Emperor's game of geopolitics (or is it universe politics?). It was kind of like the movie Clerks: "I'm not even supposed to be here today," but much worse. I also didn't see Paul as being a playa (so to speak) in as much as he was trying to survive. Hell, his dad was killed by the Harkonnen (validating what Gurney warned him about), he knew Duncan (his mentor and big brother) was killed by the Harkonnen, for all he knew Gurney was dead, he knew Dr Yueh was dead, the worms wanted him dead, the desert wanted him dead, House Harkonnen wanted him dead, the Fremen wanted him dead, he was forced to fight one of the most experienced Fremen (mind you he never fought or killed anyone before), and "doing nothing" would get himself killed. Also, he knew all about the prophecy and saw it as hocus pocus politics; he knew he was a freak with skills that he knew very little about and had the weight of Caladan on his shoulders, while being on the other side of the universe, which is why his mom wanted to get the hell off of hell and return home. But... those damn dreams! As parts of his dreams come alive, he's forced to also face the growing possibility that there might be something to the prophecy. Either way, he had no choice but to hang with the Fremen, and with each dream that's validated, his spiritual eyes (so to speak) start to open up while his special abilities get tested and proven. In summary, he didn't choose the path he was heading down as it was clear that the path was choosing him. This is just my take on it. I wanted to share my appreciation for making this video, as it was amazing. Dune Two is absolutely a once-in-a-generation movie, just like you shared! It's fun, fascinating, and interesting to share perspectives and views on such an amazing movie like this, and your detailed review was awesome. I can't wait for Dune 3!

[@patcrowley-ne8ty]

The first one I wasn't feeling at all but dune 2 was a 10/10

[@dingdongs5208]

The 2021 Dune movie is what dragged me down the Dune rabbit hole My only exposure to Dune before the 2021 movie was Iron Maiden's 'To Tame a Land' that my uncle told me was about a book called 'Dune' Despite being a bookworm i never got to reading it, but after 2021 i have read the book twice and delved deeply into Dune lore

[@janosd4nuke]

While the film was amazing, my Dune rabbit hole at the moment is buzzing more around the story's IRL impact. You mentioned movies and books, but there is another big one, the medium that introduced me to Herbert's universe back in 2000, gaming. And that's very special, beacuse from the licence of the Lynch movies Westwood layed the foundation of the whole RTS genre with their Dune game, the ripple effects of that still give me shivers

[@Chapolin242]

The way I see the difference between foundation and dune from star wars is that, in both books, fate is set and all decisions made is to fulfill it. Star wars changed that. If Luke had killed Anakin, yes, it would be just as the books of foundation and dune, but no, we do have power to change our lives. The three sagas are masterpieces in each own way.

[@Rub-A-Duck]

It was the same for me. I haven't had any connections to the dune universe when I first watched the first part. It was gorgeous and "good" as a "building up". Then, I noticed the part 2 was in cinemas and I just had to know why everyone was so hyped. I re-watched the first part again and looked some things up beforehand. And DAMN. It clicked for me. I was totally in awe with the first movie. Then I went to the second movie, and I was SHOCKED... It was like I was in trance when I left the movie after 3h... which felt like not even 2h. I can totally relate to you.

[@jasonabc]

I feel the same way I was stuck on the 1984 version and loved that one and just couldn't get into this one....then it hit me and wow its truly spectacular. I needed this after GOTs ended so badly and after watching Disney destroy my first love of star wars.

[@GibbySoapBox]

I’ve loved Part One and Part Two, and glad to see you are liking it! I’m reading the novel right now and I’m so excited to further explore the rest of the novels by Frank and I would recommend it for you too because it’s a new experience of the same story

[@dylanroyboy]

Film, I wanted to thank you for this essay, I just finished part 2 and I liked it more than one but, as I do with all films after I watch them I watch essays about them to get more meaning out of them. Your explanation of what Paul is going through mirrored the adult version of what I am going through. I have been on a journey of self-improvement, working on everything from social interaction to confidence to fitness. And when you compared Paul from part 1 to part 2, I instantly saw myself that has never happened with a sci-fi film with me ever. I immediately bought the 4k after this so I could always have that reminder to keep improving. Thank you. You made an impact today.

[@Usernumber777]

“lead them to paradise..”

[@Zed-fq3lj]

''Who?''

[@Usernumber777]

@@Zed-fq3lj those who don’t accept emperor Muad’dib

[@Zed-fq3lj]

hahahahah! ah...poor souls@@Usernumber777

[@Battle_One]

@@Zed-fq3lj Everyone in the known universe, that's who.

[@Zed-fq3lj]

And where are they? Did we see them? Or The Guild? What Guild ? Or the Mentats? Or Butlerian Jihad? Did we learn any concept about Dune from this empty shell of a movie which has no ending? Come on...@@Battle_One

[@Draw4Dame]

Great review, I like the emphasis on why Chani was mad in the last act. So many people missed the chain of events and/or ignored it completely.

[@nationalsocialism3504]

Chani sucked and was by far the worst part of the movie... she was the proof of why those people are wrong. Who wants to be miserable Chani with her Water-Fat face when being happy Stilgar following his messiah to burn the galaxy is your other option??? One sucks & the other is a life full of purpose and fulfillment

[@everit6682]

I feel like the common misconception would be that paul throws away chani for beign the lisan al gaib and starting the jihad but he starts the jihad preciasly becouse he wants to save chani. If you pay attention when sietch tabr gets bombed paul sees two visions one of chanis death and one of horrid consequences of jihad. If paul stays in the north using nukes then chani dies but if he goes to the south first and only then attacks the emperor chani survives but billions die. And he chooses chani but she cant just see it yet

[@Sam_T2000]

yea… I wish they explored that more, how he wants to do everything for the right reasons, and is trying hard to walk the narrow path without becoming the awful tyrant, or just doing everything for power and revenge… I thought the third act was very rushed… making the third act into a film of its own would’ve given lots of time to explore all that 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@julesjma]

Anyone who did not think that both 1 and 2 were EPIC and beyond comprehension don't appreciate great cinema. These two are ONE MOVIE. The beginning is mandatory to set up the story. People need to stop whining about the 1st film. Come on.

[@MTech07]

I don’t get how you can watch the film 5 times and don’t feel it. Is it because I read the series? But I watched with my siblings and none of them read the books and they loved it. Still, you are too quick to hate or love something. Like you go to hate it to totally consider it the masterpiece of the century. Fishy. I don’t trust such people. You talk about the film in a way that a believer talk about religion

[@jennymcelligott]

I too had my life changed by ROTS when I was 13. It’s why I went into VFX! So happy you came around on part one. :)

[@tails5907]

i never really got the hype for timothee until i watched dune part 1 and 2 on the same weekend for the first time. very talented young man. especially in part 2 he put on an amazing performance, and quite frightening by the end of the movie. it was extremely believable from his part.

[@SuperStella1111]

I’ve watched a bunch of his film since. He’s wonderful. I assumed he couldn’t be that good looking AND talented. I was wrong! 😂

[@theavatar9191]

@@SuperStella1111Bro was nominated for an Oscar in his early 20’s

[@AhumadaMauricio]

Jessica is not a religious zealot, quite the opposite really... She's not really that into the Bene Gesserit having conceived a boy instead of a girl as commanded...

[@travyhaagy]

5 times? i thought I was a slow learner......

[@TheFpsNinja]

What exactly was Paul supposed to do? His options were to either become the Lisan al-Ghaib or let the Harkonnens win. There was no third option. It seems unfair to blame Paul for a situation ultimately engineered by a superpowered space CIA. While I think the film communicates Frank Herbert's intent well, Herbert's story undercuts the themes he was trying to convey. Dune is a great story but it fails at doing what Herbert wanted it to do: Make Paul a bad guy.

[@KymHammond]

This needs to be asked in terms of cinema first: what are the terms for assuring a successful blockbuster for a story that had historically struggled to succeed as popular entertainment? As for the story, Herbert had a complex understanding of the world: of societies, of beliefs, Of the types of characters they would produce, and of the powers of women. looks at the women writers of his time and who they were sourcing, and then at that age old question around the influences women have on their children generation after generation.

[@fuzzyhair321]

See if we lived in a black and white world we would. But we are a part of the ride with Paul's journey to power. We live in a world filled with this idea of the Messiah. We are with Paul's crusade whether we like it or not

[@MinatoNamikaze-ff9dj]

2024: when all the nerds find out that Star Wars is just Dune fanfic.

[@johnnyscifi]

I take it you haven't read the novels? They're no broken promises. Paul does exactly what he says. He's not a hero, and this isn't a heroes journey...

[@nationalsocialism3504]

He's a messiah and it's a messiah journey... regardless of how piss poor Herbert ended up handling it to the point of having to write a whole other book to try to tell the audience that they are wrong (same thing that Villenuve is having to do with the movie.) I mean who really wants to be miserable Chadi with her Water-Fat face when being happy Stilgar who has a purposeful life is your other option??? The only thing that is sad is that we don't have anyone to follow like that... I mean look at Trump who is an absolute piss poor option but the level of desperation is so great among the populace that a sizeable amount still latch on to him (unsurprising that when there's a real leader like Hitler that his people were already holding festivals celebrating him as The Once & Future King returned... which is insane when viewed from the perspective that literally no one in over a millennia of European history has ever even been mentioned as being King Arthur but Hitler was spontaneously [the NSDAP actually tried to crack down on it originally but got massive push back] being celebrated as such within his own lifetime.)

[@tatianaferreira5998]

@@nationalsocialism3504 You might be the first person I've seen to share my opinion. It's up to the reader/viewer to form their own opinions on the book/film, even if it wasn't what the writer intended. How arrogant must a writer be to write a whole other book just to force people into his ideals?! If people want to think Paul is a hero, that's up to them. Just like there are people who think Thanos was right or the Lannisters were awesome. Opinions are just that, opinions! 🤷‍♀ Freedom of thinking and speech is important! Besides, Paul Atreides IS the Kwisatz Haderach, just like Anakin Skywalker was the chosen one, even if their actions along the way are morally questionable. They are also complex human beings with emotions, they are not perfect, just like the rest of us. I personally don't think Paul is like Anakin, Paul is more of an anti-hero character as opposed to Anakin who goes full villain. But again, that's MY opinion. Also, people tend to think of a prophecy as a divine thing that must come from God or whatever, and it is not. The definition of prophecy is a simple one: it's a prediction of something that will happen in the future. So the way I see it, it doesn't matter if it comes from the Bene Gesserit or not. In the movies they focus too much on the fact that if it came from the Bene Gesserit than it must not be real. But it is real, not in a divine way, but in a "The One will come one day to lead you to paradise" way. In the end Paul gave the Fremen what they wanted, but with the "paradise" they also lost their sense of culture. So they were disappointed, but that's not Paul's fault. The message I take from it, it's not about the prophecy being real or not, but rather: will it be in fact what we want or need? And, nobody ever asked how the Lisan Al-Gaib was going to lead the Fremen into the "green paradise". Those are the questions we should ask, not if it is real or not. Even if the prophecy came from God, my questions would remain the same. About movie Chani... I can't even start! To me a person who believes in nothing is as toxic as someone who believes blindly in everything. she even goes as far as gaslight Paul about his visions 🙄 And constantly blaming him for other people's beliefs even when he did absolutely nothing to lead people that way, he was just himself. And at the end when she leaves, not just Paul, but she also leaves her people, it felt like she was just a self-centred girl who was mad because she didn't have her way. Sorry about the long "testament". I actually have more to say about the subject, but those are the important points. 😅

[@nationalsocialism3504]

@tatianaferreira5998 Anakin successfully fulfilled his role... nobody seemed to understand what is role was though. Anakin was supposed to "bring balance to the Force" which he definitely did by wiping out the Jedi... thereby the imbalance of the excessive Light side users was equalized down to near where the Dark side users were (Star Wars fans go into nerd rage when I point that out to them since it has no rebuttal.) But I do agree that the "prophecy" being manufactured doesn't make it false... the Bene Gesserit manufactured similar prophecies throughout the Imperium since they had no clue where the Kwistaz Haderach would be born 10,000 years later when their plan finally culminated in success. Paul is the Lisan Al-Gaib because he is the Kwistaz Haderach... the Kwistaz Haderach being on another planet would have fulfilled a different manufactured prophecy under that planetary conditions.

[@tatianaferreira5998]

@@nationalsocialism3504 yes, Anakin was successful in the end just like Paul, only not the way it was expected. That's why prophecies can be tricky. I never disagreed with that... 🤔 Anakin still became the villain. That doesn't invalidate his role in the end. They're not mutually exclusive. I wouldn't put Paul in the same category though. But that is my personal point of view.

[@nationalsocialism3504]

@tatianaferreira5998 I'll agree that he became a villian in that he was antithetical to The Empire & Emperor Palpatine was an idiot for letting Vader run around causing problems unnecessarily (plus the whole "doom weapon" which was moronic itself, especially when dealing with insurgency terrorists like the Rebel Alliance.)

[@alessandronova7761]

this was a phenomenal video and i loved all the points you made but your video was not dissimilar to many other dune 2 videos i’ve come across all of which talk about how paul turned to the darkside and how his actions are wrong however what you and everyone else who have made this kind of video fail to mention is what else was paul supposed to do? if paul doesnt embrace his role as lissan al-ghaib as the messiah to the freman they eventually get wiped out by the harkonen and feyd rautha becomes the emperor. is that really better than what ends up happening? also, is paul supposed to just abandon his family, their legacy and just forget about the deaths of his father and pretty much everyone hes ever known and cared about? yes taking advantage of the fremen’s beliefs (which his mom played a part in fabricating) to use their power as his own was wrong and leading them into an intergalactic war in a bid for even more power is worse but again what is the alternative? realistically, the fremen’s best chance at true freedom died with leto atriedes. he was someone who would’ve truly granted them peace and not dragged them into a holy war in a quest for power because he simply wasn’t that kind of person he was a truly kind man and like the emperor perfectly stated it made him a weak man unfit to rule. while im not trying to pardon pauls actions im simply posing the question what was the alternative and if that would’ve truly been better than what we got

[@SyniStar616]

I only hope that the next time Dune is given an adaptation, that director will be even half as passionate for Frank Herbert's seminal classic as Denis Villeneuve. Part of me, however, hopes that there will never again be a time when we'll need to be told this story and learn its lessons.

[@blah55044]

We still have 5 more books in the series, no need to adapt the first one again.

[@SyniStar616]

@blah55044 in my comment, I was referring to a time, hopefully, far enough removed from our own that many of us will either no longer be around or be old enough to barely recall the current work of Denis Villeneuve on the franchise.

[@mk-fu6dc]

​@SyniStar616 if the trilogy ends perfectly ppl will still be watching these movies in the 2050s onwards no need for another adaption🤷🏽‍♂️

[@BurghezulDjentilom]

So... Not passionate at all? Weird take to have.

[@bfedezl2018]

I adored it. I just couldn’t leave the movie behind, I went twice to see it and I have NEVER donde that before. Such a masterpiece

[@JermisCoronado]

KZbin doing you dirtyyyyy with the views

[@FilmSpeak]

Hopefully it catches on. I'm honestly just thankful anyone watches this given the length. It was a true labor of love.

[@JermisCoronado]

@@FilmSpeakabsolutely get it! I’ll be watching this later tonight!

[@GaaraFPS]

Everyone is allowed their own opinions but some bad takes will turn people off from this channel it did it for me and I’m back to watch this one now

[@pedrolevipereiracarvalho5832]

Looking forward to your video essay since Madame Web's review. From feeling nothing in the first film to having his life transformed during the second film was an interesting turn of events.

[@gerdaleta]

😮 as one of the few people who read the books😮 everything he did is justified😮 there is only😮 the golden path😮

[@Battle_One]

Meaning that Paul actually IS the savior, we just don't realize it until 4 thousand years later 🪱

[@gerdaleta]

@@Battle_One it's actually like I think it was a 10,000 years it might even be a 100,000 it was a long time I mean read God emperor bro it's all there without the golden path all humans are eventually eradicated by machines because the great houses create machines again despite all the treaties

[@ry.butterfly]

It is so interesting to hear the way somebody can interpret a movie in such a completely different way, I disagree with almost every single point you make and yet am fascinated listening to you describe your point of view! It makes the whole series even cooler!

[@killert_7759]

The way I felt watching this in imax is how I imagine people in 1977 felt while watching Star Wars.

[@darthdenn1s]

Did we watch the same film? What final battle? We barely saw 2 minutes of the siege.

[@dukelca]

is it better to be burdened by that knowledge? or to live in ignorance?

[@janosd4nuke]

What can one grain of sand do against the desert storm?

[@audrniasn]

The only thing about this movie that I didn't enjoy was the relation between Paul and Chani. In the book she understands the need to unite the Fremen around Paul in order to attempt to free Arrakis. She encourages Paul to get in touch with his psychic abilities, dispite the fact that he is so afraid of his visions of death if he rises to power.In the movie it's like: I'm afraid and Chani doesn't want me in power, but I'll do it anyway. The rest is perfect. Amazing adaptation.

[@TheDunestyler]

Paul is NOT corrupted. he knows the golden path.

[@PeloquinDavid]

But does HE take it (in the books)...? Or WILL he take it (in Villeneuve's film(s?) to come)...? The corruption is arguably already there: a fatal weakness that Emperor Shaddam attributes to Paul's father but is better lain at Paul's feet of clay.

[@paradoxdungeon]

this movie was absolutely phenomenal. Me and my friend went to go see it, not expecting anything more than the first movie, and the utter childlike glee I felt watching a movie that, you can just tell, was a labor of love to this degree… restored my faith in the sci-fi movie genre. It’s rare we get to witness a modern masterpiece but this is the Lord of The Rings of 2024

[@GreylanderTV]

Why do you keep calling Jessica a "religious zealot". She does not _believe_ the religion she instills in the Fremen. A zealot is a true believer. You may be thinking the Bene Gesserit are her "religion", but their knowledge and teachings are, diegetically, based in science, not faith. Still, as an organization it inspires loyalty, and it demands a kind of faith in the organization's goals, so in this sense, one could be a Bene Gesserit zealot (like one might be a Republican or Democrat zealot). But I do not think this applies to Jessica. She defied the Bene Gesserit to produce a son, which is not the behavior of a zealot. Rather, she is personally arrogant, and steeped in a desire for revenge.

[@XavierLignieres]

I am just grateful that I have been alive for two of the best book adaptations ever filmed, Both adapted from books that were considered unfiilmable. Yes I mean Peter Jacksons LOTR trilogy and Denis Villeneuves Dune Trilogy , The first ignited my passion for film the second made me realize such ambitious projects can still be done with the right people.

[@kjellduteweert9262]

Good video but not all fremen are not equal for the strong lead there. If a leader of the Fremen tribe becomes weaker, a most times younger person takes over by killing that leader. In the book there even more things like that. But yeah, in the end, he does use them, but also the fremen do get there revenge against harkonne's. Perhaps there will be a better future. But what do I know of Messiah? We will see for Part 3.

[@SilkBuckets]

i loved your interpretation of the black and white on the outside and color on the inside. done blew my mind

[@GiovanniDeluxxe]

Brilliant writing as usual Griffin.

[@FilmSpeak]

Thank you so much 🙏🏻❤️

[@tlothompson6935]

It's funny to see everyone fighting about the right viewpoint on Paul. The viewpoint depends on your personal views and politics. The author made Paul to provoke the same thoughts as FilmSpeak is portraying here. He said he didn't want Paul to be seen as a hero. So FilmSpeak does have the right idea in terms of following the author. Issue is, is that many of us don't see Paul that way, because we view the world and morals through a different lens. He is either an inspiring hero or a selfish power hungry dictator.

[@worlddd7777]

I wonder how will people react to Messiah. There is no redemption for Paul

[@Sam_T2000]

1. there kinda is, or at least there could be, depending on the framing, and how much of the later books they draw from. 2. I don’t quite buy the idea that Paul is a villain… he’s just walking the path that he must walk… but I hope they grapple with the distinction in _Messiah._

[@TheydyGodiva]

Dune Part Two, was such a cinematic epic. Im highly confident that it will go down in film history as one of the few examples of sequels that outdo the first installment. Definitely up there alongside Empire Strikes Back, T2, and The Godfather: Part II.

[@robzs8388]

Man, I appreciate the passion you brought into this, but you're doing a lot of projecting here and, in some cases, just misreading the text completely. For one, he never abandoned the name Usul when he took his place as the Duke; it's just that those are his fremen names. Like, I appreciate that Dune IS interested in political machinations and the impact of charismatic leaders and all of that, and I know that Laurence of Arabia is a major influence, but there's also a degree to which a lot of the story is morally ambiguous. You're also projecting a lot when you characterize Paul as an insecure child seeking validation. That's really not there to any great degree. Paul is not Anakin. Likewise, framing the story as unambiguously a sort of "evil ending" is again doing a lot of ignoring the actual text. As creepy as Paul's rise to power is, and as bad as the jihad is (as we know from the books), he has, very explicitly, liberated the fremen from the Harkonnens, who were materially and demonstrably worse stewards of Arrakis, particularly if we're using how they treat the fremen as a metric. Paul IS fremen, especially if we're allowing ourselves to use the books as a point of reference, considering what happens in books 2 and 3. Again, I'm not saying Paul is uncomplicatedly heroic. But like, it's complicated.

[@robzs8388]

also like, naw man. Messiah will disabuse you of a lot of this. You're doing a way the fuck too current-moment political analysis of this movie. Chani and Irulan? Not kindred spirits.

[@_Donovan]

@@robzs8388Hmm, paul taking power is mostly a bad thing. Sure it liberates ONE planet, but throws countless more into war. Then paul doesnt even have the guts to go all the way on the golden path, choosing to go into the desert to do drugs, leaving the task to his son. Super Cruel Paul killed billions and billions, saved millions, and left the imperium in control of his crazy sister, abandoned his kids as well. In fact he allowed them be preborn since he knew irulan was poisoning chani. I mean what did he do right? Saved jessica, gurney, and few million fremen, who by the end regret whats happened. The only hero of these books is duncan, miles teg, leto the second and darwi odrade