Film Theory: Dear DC, I Fixed Your Universe… AGAIN! (DC Universe)

[@Pseudomonis]

Shows like Batman, Superman, Static Shock, Ben 10 Alien Force, Teen Titans, Young Justice and Generator Rex were some of the best shows of all time. The fact they weren't just silly cartoons, but instead had deep, mature and gripping story arcs, made them so enthralling.

[@tvgr8218]

man those shows were my childhood

[@Chaotic_by_Choice]

Ben 10 is the goat

[@alexandergonyea4642]

Dude, you just spoke to me on a spiritual level. I grew up with nearly all of those shows, and they still hold such a huge spot in my heart.

[@fishertheadore6095]

Young Justice was Good until it got gey and weird.

[@credittome2732]

What happened to Adventure Time?

[@elizabethhearts3401]

The DCAU was such a lesson in animated storytelling perfection.

[@EnterZelda2007]

Flashpoint paradox was near perfect

[@azenar1894]

@@EnterZelda2007 is perfect*

[@FizboBros]

Flashpoint to Justice League Dark 2, I loved them all

[@puterboy2]

@@EnterZelda2007 Except they didn’t have Barry finding out Thawne killed his mom.

[@skibididobdobdobyesyes]

So was Man of Steel, BvS: Ultimate Edition, and ZSJL. If only they’d followed through with his plan..

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

I'll never understand why DC didn't just release the animated stuff in theaters I'd love to watch it that way

[@dutchvanderlinde6076]

The animated stuff is actually quite mature In terms of storytelling. That’s why people seem to love it.

[@Chuck_EL]

@@dutchvanderlinde6076 one of my recent favorite dc animated movies I watched "Green lantern: First flight" Hal Jordan is my favorite Green Lantern the origin was done well and he was my favorite as a kid so I loved it and it was very dark Thaal Sinestro is my top 3 dc villian and they showed his yellow lantern corps origins and hinted at him recruiting others to his corps..I thought it was very good and it had all the fan favorite Green lanterns too This movie was definitely for the fans only that's what the dceu is missing they HAVE to think of the hardcore fans FIRST when it comes to the A list dc heros like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Hal and James' Green lanterns, Aquaman and Barry Allen's flash That's what marvel did with phase one

[@richetoku]

Animated stuff still does not do well in theaters, unless specifically targeting a younger audience. People in the US still have the false impression that animated means cartoons and thus is for kids. One of the reasons I used to love watching animated super hero stuff growing up was because not all the stories were just for kids. The story moment that stood out most to me growing up was when Darkseid came to metropolis and eventually forced to leave, but before leaving, he killed someone in front of Superman and then left before Superman could do anything about it. I remember Superman losing it an destroying a car because he failed to save someone. Stories like that prove that animated does not have to be just for kids and I wished more animated movies were released in theaters like that.

[@watsonsmith4126]

​@@richetoku yeah, why didn't the DCAMU movies had 3-4 month long theatrical releases

[@TheRealHerbaSchmurba]

How will you never understand lol. In this day and age comic book movies excel in live action. DC has had a good amount of films that have done amazing in theaters as live action. To say you’ll never understand why is just kinda like, really?

[@TranDLe-yb3xr]

Literally when Matt mentioned cartoons and showed the iconic heroes that I GREW UP WITH, I celebrated as if we won a war. FINALLY, someone understands and is willing to make their voice heard! These cartoons (Justice League, Justice League Unlimited; movies like Justice League: War and Justice League: Dark; these movies PROPELLED me into becoming a DC fan. I grew up with that version of DC, and it would literally mean everything to relive those days

[@lucasnogueira9215]

As soon as this man said “the key to solving all of it…cartoons” I leaped out of my chair and screamed yes. Finally someone understands

[@rondorock2563]

The animated series were very pivotal for me becoming a fan of superhero adaptations. In general, the animated content was a treasure, it just went so far over the heads of Hollywood back then it seemed like they really didn't get it. The talent for writing good stories was there instead they just gave animation the brush off entirely thinking it was just for kids, but the older fans who were watching the cartoons at the time just knew that their medium being mostly ignored in the live-action films was a big mistake.

[@lucasnogueira9215]

@@rondorock2563 absolutely 🙌🙌, the Story telling in those early animated shows was elite. Justice league was able to tell stories about obscure characters and made it feel natural. Those shows are the reason I love super heroes. Without them I don’t think I’d be as big of fan as I am.

[@Electronica27]

As much as I love cartoons, I think it was more about how DC literally used this successful blueprint, but didn't apply it to live action, thinking it worked differently. I bet people in Warner just doesn't respect those handling the cartoons to listen to their advice.

[@lucasnogueira9215]

@@Electronica27 your completely right I’m saying that the reason those cartoons were so great was because of the universe structure they created and also the story telling. Which was largely created by the structure.

[@nnai_na3740]

Yessss someone gets it!!! The animated universe was epic ❤❤❤

[@undeadtrooper13]

I love that Mat brought up the witcher mess even briefly. Glad to know that they understand the writers were in the wrong for changing the material so much

[@nieznajomy4398]

I agree even if I don't think Henry left because of those reasons (main being money).

[@undeadtrooper13]

@@nieznajomy4398 oh I absolutely don't believe it was because of money, he wanted to give the fans a proper adaptation of the witcher books, not a hodgepodge of witcher content in a poorly written mess

[@nieznajomy4398]

@@undeadtrooper13 So that's why he was/is still in season 3? As fan of books I didn't even finished second season so if he really cared he would left franchise long time ago or didn't even played, I wasn't even big fan of season 1 also (mostly because of changes). Also for season 1 he got 800k$ per episode, for S2 he got even more 1m$ per episode which is more than GoT cast was earning and the end of series. So we can easily imagine for season 3 he earned even more. So there is possibility during negotiations for season 4 he wanted so much money Netflix didn't/couldn't pay (I don't judge him for wanting more) and Liam Hemsworth is much much cheaper actor. So during (or before) season 4 "negotiations" very likely Amazon contacted Henry and offered him much better deal (lead actor + producer) and Amazon can literally afford any price. Additionally as producer he has more control under production (casting etc) so taking this deal was no brainer + he was warhammer fan longer than witcher. And in the end contracts can't be done that fast aspecialy for "actor + producer", so Henry and Amazon definitely were talking months in advance before he officially left The Witcher.

[@deirenne]

@@nieznajomy4398 he's so rich that money is basically meaningless at this point, but he's also huge huge nerd, gamer and actual lover of both Sapkowski's books and CD Project's games, so if I were to bet on it, I'd give all my money on "They are fucking up with the story and I'm the only person that cares about that", not the paycheck.

[@undeadtrooper13]

@@nieznajomy4398 Cavill would have happily done 7 seasons of the show, but the writers went so far off track with season 2, and I can only imagine how bad it'll be with season 3. Cavill was dedicated to doing the witcher justice in a proper tv adaptation, the writers wouldn't have it and Cavill repeatedly tried to have things changed through out season 2, roach died and the writers were gonna try to make it funny in some way, but Cavill fought for it to be changed to something a bit more somber which is what we got. Cavill would've been happy to take a pay cut as long as the writers stuck to the books, but they didn't, so Cavill is out now, and hopefully his warhammer project goes well while the witcher series crashes and burns for losing it's star because they couldn't stick to an already established story.

[@reirei135]

RIP Kevin Conroy. I grew up with the entire DCAU because my dad grew up with it. I could write several essays on why they are the best versions of the storys told, and how they did such a great job, but it'd be easier to tell you to go watch them yourself. It's all a work of art

[@dafilmqueen556]

I will never forgive myself for not knowing Kevin Conroy up until 3 months before his death. I mean, I watch cartoons that are rated PG and under, I had no excuse for nothing giving BTAS a go before. Now that I know, I want to make sure my dream Batfamily series pays him tribute in the best way possible, a tribute that honors his legacy by uniting everyone. He wasn't just A Batman, he was THE Batman, but he wasn't alone. He didn't have to be. Kevin Conroy may be gone, but his legacy as THE Batman is forever ingrained in our memory, and we must do our best to honor him together. Repeat after me: we are Vengeance, we are the Knight, WE..ARE ALL..BATMAN....

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[@reirei135]

@@dafilmqueen556 have you posted your batfamily series anywhere? I'd love to give it a look!

[@reirei135]

@Dave Miller Lego Batman was played by Will Arnett

[@jessm8734]

I’m a DC purist at all costs and tend to be a bit of a snob when it comes to others’ opinions on DC honestly, but Matt has NAILED IT HERE! Never have I heard anyone understand DC better and have a better plan for actually making it successful!

[@shanekeenaNYC]

DC feels like that residential neighborhood that had a few more phases planned that never got built.

[@freemakerthings4518]

I’m glad that James Gunn is gonna redeem DC. Even though Shazam 2 is off to a bumpy yet promising start, it looks like we are onto something

[@Byronic19134]

@@freemakerthings4518 Gunn is gonna butcher DC.

[@freemakerthings4518]

@@Byronic19134 you sure? tell me why.

[@rastyplayzzofficial]

​@@shanekeenaNYC shazam 2 is not the beginning aquaman and the lost kingdom is the ending of the dceu and creature commandos show coming out this year is the beginning of the dcu

[@ninawatchesstuff]

The DCAU was such a gift. I loved those shows growing up. They still hold up pretty well even twenty-thirty years later. It should not be difficult to create a viable live-action film franchise with these characters.

[@Audentior_Ito]

If WB were smart, they would make a mainstream animated feature-film universe. Spiderverse succeeded for Sony & it would distinguish them from the failing MCU.

[@danso5659]

haha it hasn't been twenty years since....oh. oh no.

[@ari-dynamicarchive]

"Respect the source material" is something I've been pushing for, and I'm sure others do too. I can't not think of a series getting an adaptation in which the creators just simply DGAF with what they were given to produce, and then yell at the fans as if it's the fans fault for not supporting their "vision".

[@dafilmqueen556]

One question though: is it okay to rewrite a character's origin if it feels off? What if a character is beloved to you, but you feel that the story is terrible? That's how I feel I would write obscure characters: the character is great, the potential is there, but the story is either outdated or doesn't ring true to the character's core values and personality, so it's best to either axe them completely or rewrite their story in a way that makes sense and lives up to the themes of the character. Why not?

[@freemakerthings4518]

@@dafilmqueen556 I mean, they can, if they retain some elements of the original story: like Shang-Chi, they retained some elements while also changing some like his father to avoid any racial stereotypes from the comics.

[@shade08538]

@@dafilmqueen556 You can always have your own interpretation of a character, but there’s one thing you always have to keep in mind: “What makes this character so beloved? What’s that fundamental trait that gave them such fame? Whats makes that character themself?”

[@ked49]

@@dafilmqueen556if it unimportant yeah. If it is Batman or Spider-Man no

[@Ykibmh]

From what I heard, that's what happened to Percy Jackson - the movies were almost completely different from the books (the characters were in their late teens instead of 12, which made kids who were the main audience for the books uninterested and the teens weren't interested since it was based on a kid's book). To some extent, Harry Potter too, there were so many details and little subplots in the books that weren't in the movie, and the movies completely wrecked Ron

[@degocraft9525]

Never underastimate the power of animation

[@ProjektTaku]

dc really should just release another theatrical animated movie again.

[@marleyjudge9607]

If the budget high

[@Olav_Hansen]

Animated series tend to have less glory, and thus only attract the real fans. I didn't understand this until I started watching star wars the clone wars. How that show was so much better then the sequel trilogy, baffling.

[@BlackHawkBricks]

The Clone Wars

[@jvbon646]

Zack did, and look how bad his movies ended up being

[@annana6098]

DC thinks they are competing with Marvel. For many fans, they are competing with the DCAU, and failing horribly by nearly every metric.

[@bellaby5505]

The DCAU is really underrated in mass media it’s heartbreaking I hope it gets the recognition it deserves

[@StarlingNite]

That’s unfortunately the reality of animation outside of Disney and Pixar though. Animation is stuck in the stigma that it’s only for kids outside of a select few adult swim properties; so they never get recognition past comedic :(

[@megarotom1590]

@@StarlingNite yah western animation is dying bc people don't appreciate it...even though it's actually very good often

[@johnwick52012]

It is getting recognition because I live here in Nepal 🇳🇵and watch those animated DC movies.

[@DrayLoco]

@@megarotom1590 I think it’s also a quality thing. Eastern animation has become so popular because it tells consistently mature stories with well written characters and extremely varied genres. Something like My Hero Academia I think shows the problem with some western animation. Serialized series where every episode is important and the story is always moving forward are much more interesting and anime is great at that. I like Young Justice but it’s just not as interesting as something like My Hero

[@rastyplayzzofficial]

​@@DrayLoco most people don't like the mha manga ending most of them complain about it being bad you should use an example of some other anime

[@KasLynAudio]

I absolutely loved Static Shock and Batman Beyond, those were two of the best of the time. I really hope Static makes the big screen at some point.

[@Insertia_Nameia]

I would love that. Static Shock was one of my favorites.

[@captianbacon]

Batamn beyond is one of the greatest pieces of animation coming out ever.

[@Sir_Psych]

I loved when they brought back an older version of Static. It was such a surprise, I loved it.

[@lazylurkerbro9855]

I would go rabid for a Static Shock movie, I was so hyped every time he popped up even just in this video lol

[@bloody4558]

There's been rumors of Warner having an interest on the character for more than 4 years already. We may yet see an adaptation of him.

[@sophiesheppard6719]

Literally my childhood 😭 my dad and I used to watch the animated series when I was little and I recently revisited it and omg the writing is so good. The question, huntress, hawk girl and green arrow became some of my most favourite characters

[@thekidxicor1273]

I’ve been getting through the DCAU for the past year or two now and I love the pacing the cameos the way they do events and characters it’s so amazing to see how 20-30 years ago they had could make such awesome meaningful pieces of art that connect in such intricate ways

[@stevek4070]

Those cartoons were so great! The contrast between Superman/Metropolis and Batman/Gotham was incredible. They also made me think that Metropolis was West Coast while Gotham was East with Central City hiding around Kansas City. It kept those main heavy hitters apart and probably confused a large audience when the DCEU had Gotham and Metropolis literally within sight of each other. AND THEN somehow Superman never ventured into Gotham even though his powers make him a global persona and Batman would already have figured out Sup's identity. B vs S was rough but I grew to like the Snyder cut. Hopefully when Darkseid shows his rebooted face he looks more menacing than the gray grampa look.

[@Kathywake23]

Wuuuttt??? I always thought Metropolis and Gotham were like Chicago and New York. Or like New Jersey and New York.

[@shadowscp1391]

LMFAO "GREY GRAMPA LOOK" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286]

every good guy fight crime and evil everywhere

[@Gracken-k5e]

When Matpat talks about the Guantlet at 17:35, it being a fake of a quantlet that hadn't existed yet still makes sense, it was in Odin's private vault and Odin is known for being a guy who can see into the future (which in Norse mythos is to try and prevent ragnorok) so Odin, thinking it was cool, had a fake made before the real thing existed, probably an ego thing

[@dafilmqueen556]

Lol, and Hela recognized it as fake 🤣

[@grumpyrock]

We are also never told when exactly the gauntlet had been made. It could have been made years ago but Thanos did not know where the stones were yet.

[@AllTerrainTurkey9974]

More likely is the possibility that Thanos had Eitri the dwarf copy an ancient design that had been used to harness the stones before.

[@Bol_Sadguy.]

Or maybe a profecy or a legend

[@domokilla9944]

Quit making up excuses for lack of creativity...

[@samiai8905]

I've been saying that the DCEU should've followed the DCAU ever since Batman vs Superman and its insane how it seems so obvious to follow and use as a general outline for all the generations yet they just mashed things together. It's infuriating how easy it was

[@bluestreaker9242]

Speaking as someone who loves to write, this is honestly really good advice you're giving out. I know a great many people might think it SOUNDS dumb to not have a plan (if the fan reception to the New Star Wars Trilogy is any indication), but, honestly, not having a plan doesn't restrict you creatively; I do still stress the importance of good note-taking, but basically just don't overthink how your story is gonna go: it frees up room to do what you want, when you want, how you want, where you want, why you want with your characters and the world they're in. I'm not a professional writer, though, so take my advice with a grain of salt. ;)

[@Saphia_]

I find that that's true with so many creative professions. In everything that has editing in its process like stories and design, for example, it's so important to know the basic outline of what will happen but one, figure out the details as we go and two, never be afraid to try something new.

[@steelhert4363]

Now that is an advice I wish I had. I've been working on a new book for a while now, and in my mind I had completely mapped out the story despite knowing that I tend to bring good ideas when I go with the flow. But this video and your comment reminded me that I don't need to map out my world that extensively. Thank you for that.

[@doro626]

I have always been a fan of the story bible. That way you have liberty to be creative, but you dont go against characters basic personalities. i will also say, when it comes to a franchise as large as Star Wars, I am very surprised that they didnt have it all planned out to the decimal point. I guess some people thought the property was too big to fail.

[@bluestreaker9242]

@@doro626 Yeah, that's a solid suggestion, yeah. A lot of famed authors swear by the story bible. I recall reading somewhere that gave this gem of advice: "planning out the story bible should not be more important than simply writing the story". Basically what I've been saying: don't overthink things, just roll with it. Keep things consistent, absolutely, but don't overthink things. You don't want to back yourself in to a creative corner and give up on the project because keeping the momentum going is too daunting a task. :/ Funny that, Star Wars was plagued with problems since the beginning; it's amazing this single film got a franchise, and even got off the ground, on account of how much went wrong even before filming started. For instance, George Lucas was very much an idea man, but he wasn't much of a writer, so he got the help of a ghostwriter to weave his ideas together: Alan Dean Foster. Fun fact, in an interview, he was asked if he ever felt bitter about George Lucas taking all the credit, to which he responded "not at all": I won't lie, I respect that, as I feel most people would be.

[@sihly_me9386]

I'm glad that this is the advice that Mat mentions when it comes to mapping out a story larger than a single movie, book or whatever because I'm currently going through this "note-taking", "go with the flow", "not restricting creativity" process with my OCs. I have them in my head, I know I'd like them to crossover in some way (I have a very heavily influenced superhero comic book crossover type universe, like Marvel), I have the basics for the universe they live in, but stuff like they're origin stories, character arcs, how exactly they'll crossover, or what type of media I'll introduce them in is up in the air but still being thought of in the back of my head, and I can come up with may different iterations of each of those aspects I've mentioned and go with it. Since, I've had these characters and this universe for over 2 years now, I've gotten used to feeling free to change characters names, which is really something I'd usually not be comfortable with (also a good 99% of my OCs don't have names, so as I develop them more I'll be to narrow down a name that actually makes sense for each of them).

[@dan_loup]

Going back to watch the cartoons is something they did quite a few times. at least with batman. Several of the best batman ideas ever had came from the batman cartoon.

[@woaddragon]

Actually a literal ton of stuff came from the cartoon that made it to the official lore. The biggest one Harley Quinn

[@BrandonNielsen87]

Man of Steel definitely took some inspirations from the 90’s Superman cartoon series.

[@AndreggvilJammer]

Finally a mainstream channel that talks about the perfection that is DCAU! As a longtime DC fan I feel like a broken record for saying this again and again, even back when Man of Steel had yet to come, but DCAU, Teen Titans and Young Justice are literally the perfect blueprint for DC to go with. I just hope that James Gunn realizes that - but with the exciting slate he's shown us, I feel more hopeful than ever

[@Sir_Psych]

Glad to see I wasn't crazy for yelling this in my head for so many years. The animated shows/movies were gold and needed to just make those. I felt Weadon's Justice League (despite its many flaws) was closest to hitting this, which is why I kind of liked it on its initial release.

[@eileensnow6153]

I adored Teen Titans, if they do them justice (no pun intended) on the big screen my life will be complete!

[@delroyopondo]

You should check watchtower database,they're really cool about the DCAU

[@reaperraider999]

@@eileensnow61531000% that show is so amazing and the live action titans show is good but comes nowhere near as good as the animated one (Not teen titans go that show is terrible😂)

[@mammontoastedbread5332]

@@eileensnow6153 I loveeee teen titans its just sad that I can't rewatch it whenever I want since I find it really hard to find a streaming platform (legal or not) that has teen titans

[@AnimationCloud222]

Who’s here from Joker’s crime rate

[@mr.robertsmain]

me

[@jbark678]

Same

[@Amy-thegirl]

Me too

[@twolettuce72392]

Waddup

[@someguyontheinternet2308]

Me too

[@kyleburns9439]

The DCAU will forever hold its place among the best adaptations of all time. Also, the Batman Superman Movie: World's Finest was such a great introduction of the two mainstays of the universe. Really should've tried to expand on that story instead of what they gave us in BvS...

[@Kitsu-vk3of]

I love the DCAU so much. I think Batman: The Animated Series will be the best cartoon for all of time in my eyes. I really hope they don’t ruin Booster Gold in the new show.

[@Rexyhowrid]

Who else really likes future MatPat the fact that he was willing to add that “character” shows that these channels are very flexible and quite honestly shows determination unlike a lot of lazy concentrators. Love you guys keep up the good work.🤩

[@Narra0002]

Yep

[@acedias12]

"concentrators"?

[@micahbirdlover8152]

@OfficialFilm_Theorists. yeah new theory 😊

[@cadora4777]

I love how much work matpat puts into his videos. The video must have been finished already but instead of just posting it as it is, he writes an other script just so he can summarize all information for the audience to watch as a whole. Thank you so much for the efford.

[@Kitsu-vk3of]

Not just MatPat but the whole team behind Game Theory

[@cadora4777]

@@Kitsu-vk3of True

[@K10___]

It is an unpopular opinion maybe but, 'Man Of Steel 2013' was incredible and ahead of its time.

[@smilingladka]

Yes!

[@punkzx2608]

Agreed

[@isaachamilton7976]

It's a shame it never got a sequel.

[@Spider_Me_LEGO]

ur right :D

[@CrescendoQuest]

Dude, this was poetically crafted. Excellent work. I pray the DCU turns out half as enthralling as DCAU.

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[@Cookie12670]

Your description of Superman is exactly how I feel about the character. Let’s hope they get an actor who can bring the type of charisma Christopher Reeve had. I’d love a smart, hopeful and empathetic man of steel.

[@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085]

You're going to smash your forehead into your keyboard when you find out who they cast.

[@champ1159]

@@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085 Who did they cast?

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085 who?

[@Unqualifiedmedicalperson]

They need to get someone who doesn’t just look like Superman, but can also play Clark Kent properly. That was the problem with Cavill.

[@dangerfly]

@@Unqualifiedmedicalperson What was wrong with Cavill's Kent, he doesn't act like a goofball from the 80's?

[@mr.moviemafia]

Here is more optimistic perspective on the situation. I was initially hesitant but I honestly think this is a pretty sick slate! I love that James Gunn goes out of his way to give massive credit to the comics that inspired his stories, something not many creatives do. He also has a nice balance of big-hitting well-knowns and unknowns who haven’t been adapted to death, are ripe with potential, and deserve more attention. Overall, James Gunn’s announced projects se pretty cool and I can't wait to see these characters come to life!

[@boxtupos7718]

I mean Zack Snyder did kind of give credit as well like pointing out Frank Miller; But I don't know how he read it. He literally used it as a basis to point out why his Batman kills, but in that same comic Batman literally breaks a gun in half and calls it a coward's weapon. But him saying something like "Tom King's run on Supergirl was my favorite comicbook last year", really gives off the vibes that he does love and read comics.

[@tristenbailey8442]

Fr. I still struggle to understand the hate towards Gunn and his plans for the DCU, considering that what Gunn is capable of works heavy wonders.

[@neavetheartist]

Optimism always wins, unless life sucks, bad

[@xopasstheaux6617]

Let's hope he doesn't hire the wrong people tho

[@patrickconrad396]

The irony that I think Ryan Reynolds would be hilarious in a Green Lantern movie called Men in Green 😂

[@ked49]

Directed by Deadpool and ambush bug

[@nicolasmallard1205]

Mat, there is another animated universe that is super interconnected that would also make for a good road map. It’s called Young Justice which even James Gunn name dropped when he was talking about his plan

[@aneru9396]

Agreed! Young Justice Feels like a proper continuation or spiritual successor to the 2000s Animated Series. Also: Love me some Bowhunter Security!

[@NameUnknownz]

That show went downhill pretty fast imo, not as fast as a cw show does but still

[@Hiro-rx8yb]

@@NameUnknownz wym the show is still good season 4 was good season 3 war alright the rest is awesome

[@rosestar1324]

Yeah but hopefully he doesn't follow everything young justice did cuz they fell from their rank super fast

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[@theincrediblemrE]

The dc animated film universe also has some interesting points that would make a great comeback for the live action versions. Like the flashpoint paradox and justice league dark, there is a lot of potential that those films have, and a lot more lore that may be hidden between the lines. Matt I think this would also be a pretty decent topic for a video as well and it would really shed some light on those movies too

[@honeymonkey1670]

yeah! Justice League Dark was a really good mini-franchise that I wish had led to something with their animated DC movies.

[@zacharymccoy7091]

I'm all for more Green Lantern content. You can make so many movies and shows out of just that part of the universe, it's insane.

[@Oiiiii]

🟨

[@kevingithaiga663]

The green lantern cartoon are epic. For example green lantern emerald night can make about ten full length movies from its collection of stories, starting from the history of the lanterns to the first construct.etc etc!

[@ninjabreadman1993r]

Honestly, DC as a whole needs to give more attention to the Lantern Corps as a whole. The "flagship" corps are the Green Lanterns, but I want to read more stories about the Blue Lanterns, or the Indigo Tribe, or the Star Sapphire Corps to flesh them out and give them more depth.

[@kevingithaiga663]

@@ninjabreadman1993r the blue and the red lanterns are hella interesting contentwise

[@FryLazerTazer]

I miss matpat

[@chrisrobinson407]

The world stands with you, @FryLazerTazer

[@adityanadgir3769]

Let's hope they take your advice this time, Matpat.

[@J4nT3mpl4r]

You know they won't, because giving the fans what they want is frowned upon in Hollywood these days.

[@skandosh9025]

@@J4nT3mpl4r they are literally already following 4 out of 5 points, wtf are high on ?

[@powerjolt7215]

@@skandosh9025 True. Other guy still has a point tho. Yes they are following these points to produce better movies, but that's mostly for the bucks

[@numberjuan469]

take the advice of a pretentious youtuber? nah

[@herloss448]

@@numberjuan469 hack snyder lover is pressed

[@AmelityshTV]

Matpat HAS to be payed by DC at this point. It's unfair for them not to this far in 😂

[@osmosisjones4912]

How come other people can spam

[@scientist23wannabe_23]

I liked the man of steel

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[@thescarecrow897]

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[@ACE112ACE112]

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[@oklaclarinet]

The whole "liking the source material" angle is why I was initially suspicious of Star Trek (2009), and my fears proved true. A few days before the movie came out, I saw an interview where J.J. Abrams said he never really liked the original Star Trek, as it was "too cerebral" for him, and that he was more of a Star Wars fan. It was then that I knew we were in trouble.

[@Byronic19134]

The Russo brothers infamously don't like or read comics but made Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame.

[@theirongiants]

To be fair no one likes the Original Star Trek Motion Picture. The movies only got better from The Wrath of Khan

[@moosery]

@@Byronic19134 probably had enough disney money around them to pay people to read them for them to get "it" right

[@SteveRudzinski]

I am blown away that you can explain the plots and themes of Man of Steel and BvS exactly while missing that is what the movies were about. The biggest points of those two films were literally an exploration of the trolley problem and the consequences of that being explored, which is what you said you wanted here. It's practically a genre now where people on the internet say they dont like the story Snyder told, explain exactly what they want, and it's just exactly what Snyder already did.

[@samwellick1706]

Lol true

[@jaydenjones1374]

James Gunns' announcement wasn't random. He reminded people almost every day that the announcement would be in January

[@JakeGottfriedStudios]

I guess it was just never concrete when in January

[@Bisexualdragon4042]

Static shock was such a fun animated series, me and my brother loved singing the intro and using random objects as his disc. If Virgil makes it into the universe I hope they do him right.

[@l.palacio9076]

Static Shock was very big in Brazil

[@lonelypanda772]

he’s in the young justice series

[@galahadgalaaz2568]

@@l.palacio9076 incrivel como toda as series que tinham personagens negros como protagonistas e falavam de questoes sociais do povo negro(ou em geral) se deram bem no brasil nessa epoca... hoje em dia se chega um desenho novo do super choque vao dizer que e lacração ele ser negro ou o pai do ritchie ser racista

[@galahadgalaaz2568]

static shock is probably my favorite super hero... he is the spider-man of DC IMO

[@petar2253]

Man I miss the OG animated series I was born in 2004 but in my country they showed it later not when it actually released and I loved it I grew up with all of those characters as well as the Batman and Superman series and then the OG Green Lantern series it was amazing I miss those days.

[@deirenne]

I'm sensing a fellow Slav, where you're from? 'Cause I'm from Poland and whenever I'm talking to westerners or Americans, I always say we had 80's and 90's in 00's XD

[@petar2253]

@@deirenne Yes I am a Slav too I am from the Balkans from Macedonia and yes a lot of shows from those periods were played at least when I grew up it was an amazing time it's sad that these newer generations won't get to experience it insted they get bas shows. And love to Poland! SLAVA

[@LittleFighter2005]

I actually think a real gauntlet was in Odin's power, but his plan came to a abruptly halt because he realized he will have to sacrifice his daughter for the soul stone. His daughter was disconcerted about the sudden change of heart right before they reach their goal and so she revealed against him without ever realizing his reason.

[@Xaim023]

I Just realized what i like most about matpat No matter what the theory of the week is, he is still himself, for example, in most if not all videos we can see how he is both an optimist and a realist, knowing what might become of the game/film/franchise that he talks about but still hoping he's right even when the developers are against him

[@The.Usurper]

What do you mean when you say the developer's are against him? They plot in secret to take him down? Or are you insinuating that they watch all of these videos and choose not to consult him or use his ideas? I'm trying to think of a way they could possibly be against him but I'm just not seeing it.

[@Xaim023]

@@The.Usurper there have been a couple of times when a games story was changed last minute becouse matpat predicted it before the game even got updated (Can't remember if it was a game or film theory but I think game)

[@puncheanman]

Respect to Matt for going forwards in time to give even better feedback on the new DCU

[@marqeq]

I'm surprised no big film companies hired this man yet

[@kaeyabedilucsbrotherpls]

They didn't hire him because he's too good for their ranks. And he still has three channels to run

[@norkci8090]

I mean, companies have to match up with what his earning in youtube sooo

[@dataside7594]

@@norkci8090 You think he earns more money than the companies (even small-medium sized ones) do? 💀

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[@honeymonkey1670]

also young justice was SUCH a good show that was part of the DCAU. it's been put on the back burner recently, but they were setting up a Jason Todd comeback and a Supergirl intro and I was so excited for it

[@ItsBeePOfficial]

i do wish they made a great static shock version i grew up with that, and love the story he relates too

[@Insertia_Nameia]

I LOVED Static Shock as a kid. He was one of my favorite animated superheroes way back when.

[@ItsBeePOfficial]

@@Insertia_Nameia me too! He was a fun character after we're bored with the adult kne, but also having spiderman as the only fun option

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

I love how the DCAU made the Batman Animated Series without planning the movie or the Batman Beyond Series but they fit it in and it was great to see the final chapters of Bruce's life played out with Terry. I think a lot of us forget how WB was incredibly ahead of the ball with Batman Mask of the Phantasm, criminally underrated :P

[@gregfoster3757]

There was also Batman and Harley Quinn Batman mystery of the batwoman Batman mr. freeze subzero one that was supposed to go in between justice league and justice league unlimited which was justice league worlds collide originally but is now justice league crisis on two earths and there's justice league vs the fatal five now

[@joshricks1273]

I truly hope they make a good Green Lantern movie series/tv series. I would LOVE to see a full production of Geoff Johns complete run. They are soo good and deserve some more light.

[@tigerlord9302]

Unfortunately both planned adaptations were scrapped. One was animated(sequel to First Flight) and the other was… Well, it would’ve starred Ryan Reynolds again so…

[@zinkheroofyoutube8004]

I just want John Stewart, dammit!

[@tigerlord9302]

@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 In live action you mean? He recently got his own animated movie.

[@jado4prez]

@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 the lanterns show will be about john and hal

[@tigerlord9302]

If you missed my comment, look up Green Lantern: Beware My Power.

[@deer3481]

DC followed the DCAU blueprint but only in the DCAMU(warverse) it's like the only people who remembered they built the blueprint was dc animated studio

[@Lyddy-Draws]

Love that Mat briefly mentioned the Velma mess

[@PirateOfGermany]

Ever so briefly mentioning that fucking DUMPSTER FIRE

[@PirateOfGermany]

@SGN yes

[@darksnakenerdmaster]

As a writer, I completely understand the uncertainty. I have one project with eight seperate story arcs that I've dreampt up over the course of three years and want to write eventually. You want to know where you're aiming but have the flexibility to redirect plots and character arcs as they develop naturally over time. You can guide a kid onto a career track, but there's no guarantee they'll take to it.

[@Bambi_but_cat_version]

As a young kid who started writing in January my idea for the story is not set in stone yet. I have the main plot and the main characters but not an antagonist yet. Maybe just an idea for an antagonist but i dont really know if it will work out yet. But im getting of track here, do you have any advice for me?

[@darksnakenerdmaster]

@@Bambi_but_cat_version Write a scenario with the cast you have and see how they play off each other. Even if you never publish it, you will have a better understanding at the end. Some stories don't need an antagonist.

[@MegaloTnt]

9:10 Have you tried.. The square hole?

[@shannonlee6035]

Can we appreciate how this man is so so intelligent, and he chooses not to go and do something big, he just uses his knowledge to entertain us all

[@Byronic19134]

No we can't.

[@shamaiahellis8810]

He is doing something big.

[@littlecuddlefish]

I remember LOVING Static Shock as a kid, I would love to see it made into something bigger!

[@EditDeath]

Just hearing that one of the series ideas is titled Waller has me excited. Amanda Waller is constantly seen as an antagonist to overcome in the Suicide Squad films (both live action and animated), but the drawback is that her character isn't fleshed out in favor of whoever is on the team this time. As the only character guaranteed to be present in the franchise every time, I like the idea that she can finally be the focus, maybe with a rotating cast of villains under her command. Also gives DC a chance to float villains to the audience and see who might be worth a film down the line.

[@zachscarbrough2727]

Oh My God. That is a PERFECT setup for spinoff movies/tv series!

[@EditDeath]

@@zachscarbrough2727 Right? It's both a testing ground and a potential launch point

[@StarlingNite]

The rather recently concluded DCAMU was spectacular as well imo; Made me love Damian Wayne’s robin for the first time and Raven became my favorite Titan tbh

[@charlesintune]

It has some shining moments and a great finale- Infinity War style

[@Furonanator139]

I've been saying since BvS the animated universe is where they shined and should focus on at least a bit, especially now a days when adults are more willing to watch cartoons especially ones that balance serious tones and situations with the normal antics and fun of cartoons, something the DCAU has always shined at

[@lexus87]

I just want to see a Robin and eventually a Jason Todd storyline

[@Lewismaximus29]

Watch titans

[@hegluj6796]

@@Lewismaximus29 I’d rather not see anything tbh. Titans is a horrible adaptation

[@Nova_Stuff]

Been waiting for more Jason Todd representation

[@TheBudakSkema]

yeah same I want to see the outlaw

[@Lewismaximus29]

@@hegluj6796 you are gonna die alone

[@psAndrew]

6:41 man but that’s what Zack did with MoS and BvS

[@KingBaragon]

6:26 In your pitch for a Superman movie you quite literally describe Man of Steel “The character who is determined to be purely good, is suddenly forced into position where he has to question his own ethical line.” That is quite literally what MoS is about, to a T.

[@spenzo]

fr tho

[@henrywalsh]

No, no it isn't. I never got "determined to be purely good" from a guy who destroys semi trucks out of pettiness and who snaps necks.

[@KingBaragon]

@@henrywalsh The destroying of the truck is to show Superman is more than just a cool god like figure, it shows that he is in perfect and he is human. And he had no choice with Zod, and it’s not like he didn’t care about killing him he quite literally cried after killing him.

[@henrywalsh]

@@KingBaragon if you can snap a neck from that position, you can knock the opponent out. He snapped a neck because Snyder wanted him to execute someone, nothing else. And no. The truck was because Snyder just wanted Clark to be angry.

[@KingBaragon]

@@henrywalsh I see what you’re getting at but at that point if he just knocked him out it out would it have really fit with the themes of the movie? And just the trilogy overall? I can elaborate on that if you would like.

[@SalKhayer]

I actually respect the fact that MatPat didn't toss out the effort and capital put into this video, and just adapted it to shift with the news, making the video more of a compare/contrast prediction video instead

[@cleverusername8319]

15:21 Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely (sole writersof the entire Cap trilogy as well as Infinity War and Endgame) actually said this exact thing in an interview. They said something about how if anybody behind the scenes knew what would happen ten movies down the line, then the audience would too and the movies leading up would feel like setup or check boxes instead of their own enjoyable movies

[@finlayobrien8082]

This sounds great. But I’m also happy that you referenced monkey prince. I’ve been really into that comic and it doesn’t get enough attention

[@Caliber918]

I’m not sure I can just let that very brief what seemed like Smallville slander go, I don’t remember many details but Smallville was an important part of my early childhood, MatPat sir

[@itazuranakisu]

I felt the chemistry between Clark - Lex and Clark - Lois was really good. Erica is actually my favorite Lois too. I would’ve loved if it had came out years later with more updated cgi but overall I like rewatching it from time to time.

[@purplewhiteswirlppgz]

I truly believe that Kevin Conroy’s Batman is the best and most human depiction of the character. No other adaption really showcases the characters personality and morals the way btas did. To me, no live action movie could compare until The Batman (which is still and far off Second)

[@ProjektTaku]

Never underestimate the power of animation

[@CCaster2000]

Yep! A comic book movie universe can benefit greatly from animation given it can be used to bridge the caps in-between movies, introduce characters who aren't planned to appear in the movies, and even dwelve into certain characters and their origins. Plus, it will be less money, and all you need to do is hire the actors to voice the characters they play.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@CCaster2000 yeah, it can be cost effective but also really good and expand on stuff with less restrictions.

[@masterpink6963]

The fact that booster gold is getting a movie soon is hilarious and I love it

[@kingvidster5637]

He is getting a show, which might be better as it will give us more time to see the character get fleshed out.

[@masterpink6963]

@@kingvidster5637 sweet

[@MrPingn]

6:25 Well said, I didn't mind that Superman killed Zod or large chunks of the city were destroyed. It's that they didn't delve into that enough. That should carry some serious trauma. Also well said about making sure the story fits the character. I've seen far too many people who really don't want to be working on these projects. They'd rather be telling other stories. So they change it to whatever they'd really like to be working on.

[@EmilDoesRandomStuff]

Point five made me think of Scott cawthon. He knew the beginning and the end of his series, and he just fixed up things in the end.

[@spoonbendingspacemonkey]

I agree 💯% my husband and I keep asking why DC doesn't adapt some of its animation to live action. The DCAU is amazing!

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[@dave-000]

Didn't expect a Velma cameo, MatPat 😂 But it's true, sticking to good(it should be good) source material is key.

[@shacharlem4424]

Just saying, from my experience, not sticking to the source material can also be a good thing. Take Hilda for example. The comics never had too much to offer and the cartoon offered more. There was also the cartoon adaptation of welcome to demon school iruma kun, which had chronological order changes. There were also a lot of DreamWorks films that may have changed the source material a lot like Shrek and the boss baby as well as laika's Coraline. Other examples I can think of are Netflix's sweet tooth, marvel's moon girl and devil dinosaur and Amazon's The Boys, which had took a rather big turn from the source material to make their characters new stories and paths. And at the cream of the crop you have stuff like who framed Roger Rabbit and The Mask.

[@ScoutBostonAnonStuds]

I feel like that can vary depending on the quality pf the source material. The Boys source doesn't have quite the same depth compared to some of the sources for Batman. And hence the lack of quality is the reason why the writers had to deviate, otherwise they would be stuck with something mediocre.

[@requiscat0in0pace48]

I absolutely agree with what you mean, but I think the difference lies in how big and beloved an IP is. If an og story is already good, recognizeable and dear by quite a big portion of the audience, then changing it would be more detrimental than anything. While if the source material is already not that impressive/popular then it's obvious that changes need to be made. Comparing Hilda's og comics to Superman's isn't really going to be very accurate. In short, don't fix what's not broken

[@asherdevin]

Idk about the others, but for Invincible they announced that they would make changes to keep it fresh for those who read the original comic. They acknowledged that there is a fan base and they want to remain faithful to the source material while providing a unique experience. That helps set expectations for those that are already fans of Invincible.

[@shacharlem4424]

Well, the comics was much more fast paced and the cartoon decided to go slower@@asherdevin.

[@shacharlem4424]

What I meant is that the Hilda cartoon had more to offer than the comics. David and frida had much more major roles and arcs, Hilda's mom is given a name, new species and concepts such as the marras and witches are included, there was a holiday special, even twig got an origin story treatment @@requiscat0in0pace48.

[@VCityglobal]

The DC animated series made my childhood. It was pure storytelling, no preaching, no agendas, nothing. It was good stories and thematic sagas that captured the essence of each main character.

[@MattKirk007]

I’ve been rewatching the entire DCAU recently. It’s one of the best things from my childhood and once you make it to Justice league it perfected.

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[@Just_Some_Gal]

Matpat's probably the only guy who can get me to watch a full 20 minute video about something I've never watched

[@GiannisAntetokounpo123]

5:09 I went on that ride in Disney world, one of the coolest rides rides in Disney’s history like a better space mountain…

[@theunknownsamurai7426]

Superman Legacy and Batman's brave and the bold scare me. I have a feeling that these two movies will be more about their families rather than Batman and Superman. Look what they did with Ant-Man quantum mania, Ant-Man was reduced to a supporting role.

[@richiesantana4576]

Seeing when all of these DC animated shows came out explains why my childhood was so good in terms of DC content

[@crypticechoes9175]

1:15 THANK YOU, Somebody FINALLY SAID IT. The Joker was just NOT necessary to The Batman. That should've either been Hush, Scarecrow, or Freeze, all of which fit into the Narrative of being a Hero instead of a Fear. Hush would make him question if he's even cut out to be a Hero, Scarecrow would show the effectiveness of Fear, and fills the Void Batman Left, Freeze would leave Batman in a Dilemma, what makes him a Hero? Taking down Freeze, or Saving him and Nora? All of which, work better than "HAHA Clown guy makes SALES!" Like, they could've at LEAST used Joaquin Pheonix's Joker, but instead, we got yet another one.

[@djxafty]

What really stood out for me are the Injustice Games stories. Those really made be a DC Fan in the first place. I would love to have that as in live-action films. Ik it would take alot of time but i would wait for it aslong as the stories whom i saw from the games would be almost exactly as the films

[@OhsweetOhno]

I swear, hearing Matpat say “Booster Gold” nearly gave me a heart attack. I have this intense disliking of Booster Gold, and I just don’t know why, but it’s there.

[@anniemaria5850]

The animated series is just 😘👌 Nothing will ever top it

[@TCantwell]

Point #5 is something anyone who has DM a DnD game has to know. You plan to far ahead, but you know your players will always find something diferent to do and you will be scrambring to improvice the new story when your rogue decided to put his portable hole into his bag of holding...

[@XYZip1]

This is what makes One Piece have such good world building. Oda definitely has the story planned out, but still leaves plenty of room to make the changes he wants

[@juanescobar7255]

They should have Znider finished his trilogy, then start again with Reves Batman and Phoenixs Jolker...but we'll see how this comes out

[@CDH-wb6ez]

I can imagine the effort that went into editing this video with two different audio tracks from different times, but it really does make for a brilliant video and glad you took the time to do it 👍

[@amorfatikhb]

17:25 ngl this is the most encouraging thing i’ve ever heard as a writer lmaoo

[@joshuasolorzano4368]

Didn’t they start cancelling certain avenues of DCAU content fairly recently to focus on their live action films instead? Kind of a shame, but I’m glad Matt gave credit to how well they executed the DCAU, even to this day. I got into Young Justice and got way more into the DC universe than any film prior

[@crablord7934]

I disagree with the point on the most memorable part of The Mummy reboot. It was obviously Tom Cruise's gigantic dump truck.

[@JustaBusta]

6:46 literally describing man of steel and supermans 5 movie arc

[@connor5185]

He's not lol

[@JustaBusta]

@@connor5185 who asked you?

[@SailorBees]

The word I always use to describe the Aquaman movie is "solid"!! Everyone I've watched it with always agrees because, although sometimes they'll have things they don't like about it, it stays consistent with itself (what MatPat mentioned about tone) and balances out in some way

[@ConnanTheCivilized]

It’s trippy and doesn’t make sense. But, that’s what fiction should be, particularly superhero movies.

[@SailorBees]

@@ConnanTheCivilized yesss exactly

[@valentineedgars3335]

Can someone hire this man to help write something or make an anime about him like the intellectual side of death note with one punch man humour

[@attakrus]

I’m so glad MatPat acknowledged the differences between Marvel movies and other superhero movies, they make a superhero not seem like a superhero movie.

[@High_Figure]

@@OfficialTheFilmTheorists bruh 💀

[@alexanderchen4123]

which is exactly the reason why all the new marvel movies are failing, they embrace the super hero identity way too much and make them all generic, lame superhero movies

[@hizzousekakashi8836]

I kinda wanna go back and watch Static shock in it's entirety, I remember trying to watch it every time it was on but I missed so many episodes, it was such a great show though.

[@ShadowDemon_4]

I was born in 1993 and I loved the DC animated shows. I never got to watch everything but when I did get to see an episode of any of them I was excited for it.

[@OCNVideojuegos]

How curious that the arrowverse also did all of this and they never give it credit

[@pinoyguy75]

You explaining the MCU genre thing is easily my favorite thing you have ever said! I literally said out loud, "YESSS!" at that moment. You're the *only content creator I've heard say that. Albeit I don't watch too many movie discussions, but still thank you!

[@comichead8431]

Time stamp?

[@pinoyguy75]

@@comichead8431 9:01

[@StormagedonBOD]

The new DCAU is starting off pretty good too. We have Batman The Long Halloween Part 1 and 2 which were both great gritty detective stories, we have Justice Society:WW2 which is basically a a cool Flash film, you have the Superman origin film that's got a great tone as well.

[@gregfoster3757]

It's not the DCAU unless Brice Timm was involved and is early 90s to early 2000s that's the DCAU with the exception of Batman and Harley Quinn and justice league vs the fatal five that's the DCAU Bruce Timms style is how you can sum it up

[@Hiro-rx8yb]

You mean the tomorrowverse(first movie was Superman man of tomorrow)