Film Theory: 5 Post-Multiverse of Madness Theories (Doctor Strange)

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Theorists, I made some predictions about Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness right before the release of the movie. Now that it is out I can say, I was RIGHT! Well, mostly. It's time to talk about the future of the MCU (again) and what we should expect in the aftermath of the madness that was this movie.

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Ahmed Shaharyar Ejaz
Ahmed Shaharyar Ejaz Ай бұрын
The idea that Wanda could just go to a Universe where she died but her kids and Vision are still alive is just so obvious it kind of hurts.
Sophilia Majestign
Sophilia Majestign 2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, it was literally your first thought.
base19 16 сағат бұрын
@Shadowyarts actually such a universe does exist, but wanda could only see the ones where she and her kids are alive cause u need to have a living version of yourself in that universe to see
Shadowyarts 20 сағат бұрын
Such a universe does not exist that's the whole point of the film.
You're Gonna Hate This
You're Gonna Hate This Күн бұрын
except then how is she going to do anything in that universe when she has no body to possess? She cant get to a universe where she cant dreamwalk to set it up so she can get there. Therefore its impossible for her to do that... This fact is so obvious it kinda hurts...
base19 Күн бұрын
@Justin Blair she would do the same thing try and steal america's powers but if she actually thought about it she would use the powers to go to a world where the wanda of that universe is dead
Jordan Arnold
Jordan Arnold Ай бұрын
I have seen absolutely no one talk about how this movie explicitly states that EVERY dream that everyone has is a vision of an alternate universe. I don’t specifically remember any dream sequences in the MCU, but I would LOVE to see a video on the implications of this crazy claim!
Correct My Grammar Pls
Correct My Grammar Pls 22 сағат бұрын
@Isaac M I would guess Lucid dreaming is dreaming into a universe where you have reality warping powers
rockincradilyyy y
rockincradilyyy y Күн бұрын
Ok but Uhm Wtf Morgan is not old enough and will not be old enough for a while (Also on the IMDb for the iron heart show it says Riri Williams)
dggdvg0 2 күн бұрын
@Isaac M so lucid dreaming is an unmagical dream walking where you have magic power???? I like it
Dom Dom
Dom Dom 2 күн бұрын
there was too much pudding
Silent Savior
Silent Savior 3 күн бұрын
does this mean there's a universe where I'm happy?
HateHater 27 күн бұрын
Wanda wasn’t killed by the falling rocks, she destroyed the runes and as we saw with the first woman trying to destroy the book it takes that persons life with them.
terenz oiuxcvb
terenz oiuxcvb 12 сағат бұрын
But strange said she also destroyed darkholds in other universes
Correct My Grammar Pls
Correct My Grammar Pls 22 сағат бұрын
@KoreyALot They are going to bring her back in some way since they seem to be undoing wandas character every movie
Cody Lowry
Cody Lowry Күн бұрын
@KoreyALot she is alive in a multiverse
KoreyALot 3 күн бұрын
Nooo she can’t be dead 😭
Adam Healy
Adam Healy 25 күн бұрын
I just saw doctor strange MoM last night and the whole time I was thinking: All they need is to get Clint Barton to show up and give Wanda a pep talk and that would have solved everything.
SpookyMC 2 күн бұрын
@Anonymous User finally someone said it
Anonymous User
Anonymous User 3 күн бұрын
@NKProductions2014 no that eyeball was the biggest bullseye i've ever seen he wouldve helped with that
NKProductions2014 3 күн бұрын
Theres octopus monsters and witchraft possesion, and i STILL have a bow and arrow. non of this makes sense.
Mr. Prankster
Mr. Prankster Ай бұрын
About the whole "captain marvel dying under a rock" thing, upon rewatching the movie, I think they meant for Scarlet Witch to have stripped away Monica's powers (there's a big yellowy explosion and Captain Marvel no longer shines, stops flying to fall to the ground before getting crushed). So that's that.
Darth Axolotl
Darth Axolotl 27 күн бұрын
I'd guess she used her mild reality shifting powers to remove Monica's powers just before dropping the statue on her
Unknown Variable
Unknown Variable Ай бұрын
Just remember there’s a universe where all of MatPat’s MCU theories are true
Mimewf 14 күн бұрын
And It is this one
LongFellowJinx 15 күн бұрын
Nope! Pruned by the time keeps.
Massimo The maniac
Massimo The maniac 17 күн бұрын
I dreamt that they all are so the theories are true
Allan McBride
Allan McBride 17 күн бұрын
Taco pizza sandwich
Taco pizza sandwich 20 күн бұрын
Remember, there is a universe where ALL of Matt’s theories are true. His FNAF theories, MCU theories, his theories that kids shows were darker than they look, ALL of them.
double T
double T Ай бұрын
You didn't address Strange's actual character arc/development: Letting go of control; thinking he's the only one that can save/solve the issue. It should be a major point in the theory.
Trashyink 14 сағат бұрын
@Powerman Starting from the death of his sister probably
wokeil 3 күн бұрын
@theetaurus Okay? Why are you here?
theetaurus 4 күн бұрын
absolutely worst character ever and that furthered it
Powerman 6 күн бұрын
@Comic Shogun Some people are just born with that desire. He had that need for control back when he was a surgeon.
Comic Shogun
Comic Shogun 16 күн бұрын
I honestly enjoyed his arc tho I wish they addressed why he has that need for control, the ancient one, she told him the sorcerer Supreme is the protector of earth and he is supposed to be the best of them so I would've liked to see them address that more
Dom Dom
Dom Dom 2 күн бұрын
I think the movie hosting Wanda as the villain just dulled the film altogether. Though i couldn't get hype abt most of her screentime, the film makers REALLY hit a home run with America Chavez showing Wanda how her kids are terrified of who she's become. That was the most human emotionally realistic scene i've seen in the movie.
SynapticBoomstick Ай бұрын
The fact that WandaVision left us with a reconstructed Vision who remembers who he was, just wandering around out there somewhere, makes things a bit awkward if this truly is the end of Wanda's arc. But she *is* Wanda and I sure didn't see any body.
Bryan Martinez
Bryan Martinez 14 сағат бұрын
Actually Elizabeth Olsen still has a contract with Marvel Studio, so yeah.. sometimes I wish I was just an average moviegoer. Me knowing this information about Elizabeth Olsen's contract pretty much just eliminated all tension of her character truly dying in the movie, because I know she's has a contract left to return for about two more movies. Wanda is still seemingly alive, but the worst case scenario is we are at least going to see some variant of Wanda again in the future
FalseCode 23 күн бұрын
Wanda was seeing those universes thanks to the corrupting power of the Darkhold. Pretty simple explanation why she didn't witness any universes where her children were dead but she was alive, the Darkhold didn't want her to see a fairy tale solution the Darkhold wanted to lead Wanda on a path of as much chaotic destruction as possible.
Tim Сағат бұрын
There also just might not be any of those universes out there. Count even numbers to infinity 2,4,6 and tell me when you count and odd number. Maybe she didn't see a fairy tale solution because even in the infinite universes there was no fairy tale solution. There was no odd number no matter how far she counted that even number chain to infinity.
Hesham Al Omary
Hesham Al Omary Ай бұрын
It's honestly kind of hilarious how the movie sorta implies that Doctor Strange is maidenless in every timeline.
SomeoneWeird 2233
SomeoneWeird 2233 8 сағат бұрын
Didn’t what If make that clear
Jayden Destroyer0
Jayden Destroyer0 8 сағат бұрын
But you my friend. Are maidenless. As of right now I can see. You are maidenless. *insert more elden ring you are maidenless lines here.*
Dangle City
Dangle City 11 сағат бұрын
Idk if you saw what if, but I’m pretty sure that episode has some aspects that are cannon, such as doctor strange losing her, which is what leads to him becoming a sorcerer, there’s other universes where he’s just a surgeon but losing her is the big thing that pushes him to become a sorcerer, whether it be the direct reason or subconscious losing her is always what leads him down that path.
NOT IMPORTANT 23 сағат бұрын
@Kronaz邪児 In no way is that word trendy or new, it's older than a good few of the other words they used.
Archie 3 күн бұрын
Who needs maidens whe you have magic can maidens make portals or use telekinises
Criegrrunov Ай бұрын
I really hope Secret Wars happens, we deserve a good live action Dr. Doom adaptation.
IT WAS I, DIO!!! 11 күн бұрын
One where's actually from Latveria. Marvel's doing a better job with casting nowadays so I hope they don't just say he's vaguely European.
BlackSheep Ай бұрын
I'm fully expecting a Carol or Monica cameo in Ms Marvel to lead into the movie, but as someone who watched all of AoS I'd actually be more hyped for Daisy to turn up. And with Netflix characters now starting to appear, feels like it's least on the table.
ThatImmortalMofo Ай бұрын
5:40 the crucial thing you've got to remember is that Wanda had her powers long before getting in contact with the mind stone(as we see in WandaVision vision), so it's magic infused with a hint of mind stone powers. Cptn Marvel on the other hand solely has the power of space stone. Wanda clearly has the high ground.
TerminianMajor 29 күн бұрын
I’ll say it I really liked this movie the characters were enjoyable the story I enjoyed and the idea of Wanda being evil I really enjoyed
FantaGuy Ай бұрын
Finally I was waiting for the Doctor strange theories :)
ice. Ай бұрын
KZbin spam is actually so out of hand
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ Ай бұрын
Repent to Jesus Christ “Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬
AK M Ай бұрын
@Light yagami FACTS
•§Mrłēxtrøt_554§• Ай бұрын
@its nice knowin ya gigachads?
Jonesy_ 54
Jonesy_ 54 Ай бұрын
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3455BRUH55341 1 28 күн бұрын
Personally, I feel like Wanda's motivation to commit copious amounts of homicide was really, and I mean REALLY, weak. Like seriously? I get she was sad, but slaughtering endless amounts of people just to see something that was practically a dream? seriously?
Tim Сағат бұрын
The movie did a pretty thorough job of explaining that no it wasn't 'practically a dream' because dreams are actually real existing realities. if she followed through she wouldn't just be dreaming of her children, she would truely be with her physical children again. just a.. different version of hers.
Random Person
Random Person 18 күн бұрын
This would be odd, but I’m pretty sure the movie was trying to say that the dark hold caused her to do things she normally wouldn’t.
E M 17 күн бұрын
i went from LOVING wanda to not being able to stand her character. no i will not elaborate. i just see her character and i’m filled with an eldrich-horror level of pure, unbridled rage.
Okeke Simeon
Okeke Simeon 12 күн бұрын
You aren't alone on that one
Jake Jones
Jake Jones 29 күн бұрын
Wanda took Captain Marvels power before killing her. She didn’t just die from rocks
PyroMancer2k Ай бұрын
Of course falling rocks are extremely dangerous. After all it took the full avenger team in the second movie to stop a giant falling rock from destroying the world.
wickedshaggy Ай бұрын
I think everyone keeps missing that Wanda straight removed Captain Marvel's powers right before she crushed her. You can see her glow disappearing, her face looking in horror as she is slammed to the ground then the pillar crushing her
Dragon_Eat3r Сағат бұрын
@rlee1185 she can only absorb others witches powers, even then it may only be if they try to steal hers first
Flávio Monteiro
Flávio Monteiro 3 күн бұрын
If Wanda can destroy the stones, she can absorb its powers...
Saumya Khare
Saumya Khare 8 күн бұрын
Okay, I get that, but where do CM's (Captain Marvel's) powers go? Does Wanda change 838's CM from another universe's CM? One where CM isn't CM, just Monica?
Anton Petkov
Anton Petkov 9 күн бұрын
the movie was good
rlee1185 10 күн бұрын
@paige Stubbs the premise of the show was that Agatha could absorb power. Agatha wanted to absorb Wanda's power. Agatha unintentionally taught Wanda a lot of things she didn't know. Wanda then uses what she learns is possible and turns it against agatha. She absorbs Agatha's power steals the darkhold and becomes the Scarlet witch. This concept is flushed out when Dr strange tries to absorb America's power but it's killed before he can do it. Now we know that absorbing is something that advanced magic users can do, because at least Agatha and Doctor strange are confirmed to do it. Although it's never expressly stated that Wanda did it, the context and what we are shown tells us that she did that as well. After watching it again, I don't think Wanda absorbed Captain Marvel's power from the 838 universe, but that doesn't mean that she isn't capable of doing so.
Jeff Jefferson
Jeff Jefferson Ай бұрын
ever since time travel and multiverse stuff was introduced to the MCU most conflicts seem pointless because there's usually a simple solution like travel back in time or go to another universe
Carter Dabbs
Carter Dabbs 27 күн бұрын
About mrs marvel, She, like you said is one of my favorite characters they've added in several years. Which is why them completely changing her powers is completely awful to me. It's made by Disney they could definitely put in the budget for good stretch effects instead of those stupid bracelet things.
CaptinCanida714 29 күн бұрын
Hey matpat you should definitely make a video on the movie, “Everything everywhere all at once” it’s honestly one of the best movies to come out recently and I would love to see your take on the true multiverse of madness movie
Coleville Productions
Coleville Productions Ай бұрын
"the spell is extremely temporary, but the fast damage someone can do in the very short time while dream walking, although very brief and temporary, could be catastrophic" the brevity of the spell never came up again in the entire movie
Coleville Productions
Coleville Productions 24 күн бұрын
@Destiny Voltaire well that makes sense but i'm still salty lol
Destiny Voltaire
Destiny Voltaire 24 күн бұрын
That line is only there to explain why she doesn't just dreamwalk into another universe forever to be with her kids.
MageHunter99 Ай бұрын
Wanda wasn’t satisfied with just one universe with her kids because she wanted there to be literally no possibility of losing them. She said if they caught an illness that universe couldn’t cure, there’s another universe out there that has it. Hence why she wanted America’s power, a guarantee that she could never lose her loved ones again because for any problem, at least one universe has a solution
Jonathan Mayer
Jonathan Mayer Күн бұрын
Which was very Rick and Morty of her.
RodBlanc Күн бұрын
Yeah but if she's replacing her child now to her child from another universe, why no do it again. And why not. If she wants to protect her child, which one specifically? Because in the multiverse she has infinite childs
peanutbutter 4 күн бұрын
That’s kinda messed up
Kevin Kusi
Kevin Kusi 17 күн бұрын
Remember when learning sorcery was a way of healing your own ailments, even extreme nerve damage? Me neither
Slothi Deathi
Slothi Deathi 29 күн бұрын
@Neku i think she spent too much time with the darkhold like the one ring, it corrupts the user
Mugz Ай бұрын
I remember my first thought being “where’s vision?” Weird that he’s only mentioned once
Andrew Engelman
Andrew Engelman 29 күн бұрын
I'm actually severely disappointed in how they pulled chekov's gun on dead strange. The entire movie I thought dead Strange was going to be the one who delivers the "things just got out of hand" line, as he had somehow turned into an evil Dr. Strange who managed to hold on to some of America Chavez's ability to move freely across the universe.
Eliana Sammara Sondang Gultom
Eliana Sammara Sondang Gultom 28 күн бұрын
I was literally getting so mad that wanda didn't go to a universe where se is dead but vision and the kids are alive also was getting mad doctor strange couldn't teleport somewhere else, somewhere safe and did anyone stay to watch all the credits to see the very last clip? It was absolutely halarious and you can only understand it if you actually waited for it lol
Matt LaFleur
Matt LaFleur Ай бұрын
So after like 5-6 rewatches, I think captain marvel is actually getting her powers taken away from her then getting crushed. I think the movie should have done a better job of showing that
Justin Blair
Justin Blair Ай бұрын
Wanda absorbed Captain Marvel's powers and removed her suit, so she was just a regular person when the stone statue thing fell on her and killed her. So nothing to doubt.
Randall Wald
Randall Wald 29 күн бұрын
@Yoink Wanda killed each hero using their own signature move. Captain Marvel's whole thing is absorbing energy, so Wanda killed her by absorbing her energy. Professor X's whole thing is telepathy, so Wanda killed him inside his own head.
Redfield Universe
Redfield Universe Ай бұрын
@TayPas Ok it didnt send so here word for word the title of the videos. "Doctor strange multiverse of madness Leaked scenes Introducing Illuminati" "Wanda Maximoff vs The Illuminati. Doctor strange in the mutliverse of madness SPOILER ALERT"
Redfield Universe
Redfield Universe Ай бұрын
@TayPas hopefully it sent because it's no button at all, she uses her powers to have a task mask and then watch as Wanda takes her power and she falls. She then tries to protect herself against the falling statue
マナロルイス アンジェロ
マナロルイス アンジェロ Ай бұрын
I didn't really fully believed that his previous theory about Wanda would come true... yet here we are!
Kang the Conqueror
Kang the Conqueror Ай бұрын
I wonder what happened to the 838 Strange's cloak. I doubt they amputated part of a sentient living cloak, just to patch up another Doctor Strange's cloak. So yea, it was probably some of the Fantastic Four fabric.
Electrice Ай бұрын
Mat, you should do a film theory on the Fast and Furious series timeline, and for food theory you should do a theory on chocolate gummies. Otherwise, keep making good theories and videos for us! Your the #1 theorist I watch!
Cadi Daddi
Cadi Daddi 10 күн бұрын
Your theory at the 11:03 mark was proven true in the second episode of the show of Ms. Marvel. Listen for a line of dialogue Bruno tells her mid-episode.
Kewtie 29 күн бұрын
What I think is interesting is that the MCU just happens to simultaneously have the worst Wanda and best Dr. Strange.
☆ Just Ellise ☆
☆ Just Ellise ☆ 17 күн бұрын
When i watched the movie with my friend (she already watched so she knew how it ends) and Strange had a eye on his forehead in the end of movie,i was like "Is this how the multi-universe works? Do all Strange's have a eye on forehead? Oh i understand that why Strange doesn't have a marriage in any universe,because if he had children,they would have a eye in their forehead too. But Strange is the only one who is allowed to because he is the main character if the movie." Then she was like:
Pizzabeats 18 күн бұрын
My brain has just melted on how Bob new that Wanda was the villain, nice job Bob!
[Dark Autumn 3D]
[Dark Autumn 3D] Ай бұрын
This actually made me miss the Fantastic 4... I used to read those comic books a lot as a teenager and remember them talking about that fabric in one of the comic books.
Indra Vṛtrahan
Indra Vṛtrahan Ай бұрын
Actually Wanda did establish she is just so unlucky, that their is no universe where kids just exist without her, she was the only one who had to witness the misery.
Shadowyarts 19 сағат бұрын
Well she wasn't supposed to ever know of kids existing in other universies but dark hold happened.
dggdvg0 2 күн бұрын
@The Skeleton he never said their was. He just stopped looking
dggdvg0 2 күн бұрын
@Schlex derived isn't the same as using 🥸 we already have president for things happening in only one universe and she's a literal main character in the movie. If there is only one America why can't their be only one Wanda who lost her kids?
dggdvg0 2 күн бұрын
@ImNeonFire no one mentioned what type of infinity we were dealing with. Some infinitesimal are bigger than others
PyroMancer2k Ай бұрын
Strange, "Dormamu I'm gonna date your hot niece." Dormamu, "That wasn't part of the Bargin." Strange, "I've altered the Bargin. Pray I don't alter it further."
Yaya Film Productions
Yaya Film Productions 3 күн бұрын
0:50 Is that a plot hole though? That could very well have been Wanda's plan for once she got ahold of America's power. The reason she ended up at Universe-838 (which had a still-living Wanda with kids) was because she was pursuing America and Doctor Strange, who had landed in that same universe. And then later America opened a portal to that same universe for Wanda's my-god-what-have-I-done moment.
TheAwsomeSawse Ай бұрын
I would’ve been interested in seeing Daniel Craig as Mr.Fantastic
Fel Anderis
Fel Anderis 28 күн бұрын
Nerdy correction: Earth-616 is the main COMICS Universe. Mysterio referenced it as his "home universe" was simply an Easter Egg. The MCU's number according to the Marvel wiki is Earth-10026.
Obi-Wan Kenoli
Obi-Wan Kenoli Ай бұрын
I actually don’t think Wanda’s dead. With such a popularity character they would’ve lingered on her death more instead of cutting away so quickly
Adam Morin
Adam Morin Күн бұрын
This movie was like the house of M story line from the comics. So I am more happy to see if they apply the X-men, the young avengers and starting that up, and other bigger threats. Which makes sense since the young avengers has scarlet witches kids, and Nathaniel Richards which is a young version of Khang. Now if they are making Khang the phase 6-8 end game bad guy this works perfectly. My point was scarlet witch isn't dead and is probably corrupted by the dark hold like she was in the comics.
theetaurus 4 күн бұрын
@Abi Taylor that was genuinely the worst arc of all time
Izawa Ай бұрын
@Dayveed Bekele half of those movies are gona be solo movie before the show another half will be her from diffrent Universe meeting Young Avengers She is litellary dead but lets pretend blackwidow didnt die beacuse she Had a movie after her death
Ramon Andrajo
Ramon Andrajo Ай бұрын
The character is ruined so I don't think she's worth it today.
Gman427 Ай бұрын
And the red pulse as it collapsed did anyone else notice that?
Stor Speaker
Stor Speaker Ай бұрын
Hi MatPat! I also want to include a few things that are kinda important. 1. Fun fact! Doctor Strange’s original cloak color, was Blue, with the statue we see of Illuminati Strange, a reference to the OG comic design. 2. While you discussed Agents of Shield, you forgot a very critical character for the series. Chloe Bennet’s “Daisy Johnson. AKA Quake” who is an Inhuman who works for SHIELD and then later SWORD, who was exposed to the Terrigen Mists and gain abilities over Earthquakes. It would be very interesting to see that, if Kamela Khan is an Inhuman, she would meet Daisy Johnson to help her with her abilities. Or even see her later in “The Marvels”
Ayeemiketv 26 күн бұрын
It wasn’t just falling rocks that killed cap marvel lol. Moments before wanda put the rock on her she absorbed her power stealing some of it from her. and unleashed it in a big energy wave that knocked both of them back and since wanda absorbed her power and she had no more energy for defense the rock killed her.
NitCary 27 күн бұрын
actually there was a second red boom when the temple collapsed meaning that Wanda might have survived
🐾That Friendly Fur🐾
🐾That Friendly Fur🐾 Ай бұрын
FILM THEORY IDEA: So you know the new animated movie "The bad guys" right? Yeah well I've realised that it's alot like Zootopia, my video idea is to figure out if Zootopia and "The bad Guys" are in the same universe and if they are, how does the time line go?
Jack West
Jack West Ай бұрын
Wait does MatPat really think Wanda died when she took down that temple? As far as I learned in the MCU, if you don’t see their corpse, dusting, or turn into Joe Biden, they’re not dead.
a cute dog
a cute dog 26 күн бұрын
when wong fell off that cliff, I don't think anyone thought he actually died.
Mirvana Ай бұрын
Except we do see a "dusting" of sorts. After Wanda drops the temple on herself and Zombie Strange, a few seconds later we see a red "poof" of her magic flash out through the dirt/rubble. My reading is that was the moment she actually dies and the powers of the Scarlet Witch dying with her.
Moon Knight
Moon Knight Ай бұрын
Radioactive Mermaid
Radioactive Mermaid Ай бұрын
@French Fries yeah, I knew she signed contracts but couldn't remember how long
Josh Brosh
Josh Brosh Ай бұрын
Which is why i still believe hela is alive
Zachery 16 күн бұрын
Have we been in a pandemic long enough for Zoom to take over people's headspace? Probably not. Pretty crazy how Zoom helped Mat get better sleep though. Noom seems pretty cool too.
MetalMan1245 27 күн бұрын
I watched Doctor Strnge and realized that the entire plot Mat pointed out that he said he thought was the movie but then it got chnanged was so spot on.
Dreadjaws 2 күн бұрын
3rd episode of Ms. Marvel is out and I think you're right on the money about her as the Kree presence has just been implied.
Dynamic Rexy
Dynamic Rexy 26 күн бұрын
Hey Mat, there was always a question about marvel that daunts me is the the Spidey and friends kid show have any connection to the MCU or it is a completely different universe
EnderYeah Ай бұрын
Re: Wanda finding a universe where she is dead but her kids are alive, I feel like this was addressed in the film. I believe she said she wanted to protect ALL of her kids in ALL the universes, hence her plan. And EVEN IF she just wanted to execute on the “dead Wanda” plan we are proposing, she’d still need America’s power. Add in the corruption of the dark Hold, I’m inclined to be satisfied with the movie’s approach.
Vanilla Wafer
Vanilla Wafer 27 күн бұрын
@AerithRoses im aware that it is a retcon... and it's a retcon for a reason. They obviously wanted to make it clear going forward that comics and films are their own thing. Which makes since, the films will never crossover with the comics anyway. It's like you don't understand what I'm saying, to simplify: 616 Wanda fell in love with 616 Vision... not comics Vision, not Ultron's completed Vision, not some theoretical multiverse Vision, not bumfawk nowhere Vision, not American accent Vision.... she fell in love with 616 MAINTIMELINE Vision; likely for her even IF some other Vision existed, it's not like it's the man she fell in love with AND it's not a given that he will be the same even if she were willing to just substitute him with some other version. That thinking also totally undermines their love by the way. In fact, it's also possible that even if other Visions exist, that she wants to avoid complications by preferring to supplant a single mother Wanda. This thinking ALSO disregards that she KNOW Vision would be smart enough to realize that it's not the same Wanda and would toally disrupt her plans (again, even IF others exist).
AerithRoses 27 күн бұрын
@Vanilla Wafer that because they retcons the universe number for the mcu before that it was only -1999 something like that and it wasn’t no main mcu it was just another universe that exist it comic with different possibilities and outcomes but they retcon it for some reason, yes there are infinite universe and infinite possibilities meaning there many other possibilities of vision that existed in other universe and again this specific event doesn’t have to be the one and ONLY reason to make vision and how do you know there aren’t other Wanda in other universe that didn’t fall in love the another vision, and if there are many other mcu then how would there isn’t one mcu that went the same way but Wanda is not crazy and became scarlet witch and vision is still alive? again infinite universe and infinite possibilities also where did you get this information about vision not existing in other universe
Vanilla Wafer
Vanilla Wafer 27 күн бұрын
@AerithRoses the fact that the main mcu timeline is called "616" means the comics are completely separate from this and don't exist in any mcu universes. I think you misunderstood the fact that there's infinite possibilities, but not "infinite" universes, there's indeed a finite amount of universes, it's just with new timelines constanly being created there's new universes being formed all the time And right, Vision wasn't created like that in the comics, but we are talking about the mcu and the man she fell in love with SPECIFICALLY
AerithRoses 27 күн бұрын
@Vanilla Wafer just like Chavez it didn’t make sense that there only one version of her since the comic version exist (who is a lot older than movie Chavez) making it not true that there one version of her, the only good excuse they have for Chavez to be the only one is because of the multiverse powers she has but vision is does not have any multiverse power or reason not be able to exist in other universes, your telling me because vision was created by specific event happen to make him that mean can’t be done again in a other universe at all, may I remain you there are INFINITE multiverse and how do you know there aren’t any other way or another specific event to make a vision, it doesn’t have to be the same way, I don’t even think vision was created like that in the comics either but I could be wrong, and where did you get this information about vision not existing in other universe? also it doesn’t matter if she moved on from vision in wandavision, she literally using a darkhold a corrupt book, you don’t think it wouldn’t reopened that trauma again to keep her corrupt like it did the kids since she did let go them as well in wandavison
Vanilla Wafer
Vanilla Wafer 27 күн бұрын
@AerithRoses Vision was created by SUPER specific circumstances. First of all, his body was built by Ultron, and not just any Ultron an EVIL Ultron who was an unintended result by Banner and Stark. Then he was infused with an Infinity Stone, and he was further developed and finished off and brought to life by Stark, Banner, and Thor's lightning; infused with JARVIS program. All of these things gave birth to Vision; it's who he is, and THIS is the recipe of the man she falls in love with. You can't just ignore all of that. We saw Ultron WON in one of the universes, in WHAT IF, and he utilizes his perfect body as he intended, thus Vision is never born. We saw in Earth 838 the Ultron program was successful, hence the series of events leading to Vision's existence didn't happen in that universe either. Heck, we can't even assume Ultron himself, or the "Ultron Program" is a creation of Stark in every universe; THUS no JARVIS infusion at any point for Vision (Thus no Vision and regardless not the man she falls in love with even if some sort of android is still created.) Vision might actually be unique to 616, since his existence hinges on a bunch of specific circumstances to happen. Don't act like this is impossible, heck America Chavez is the only one in all of the universes. Also, all of this is COMPLETELY IGNORING her story arc in WandaVision where she learns that Vision is always in her no matter what. She learns to move on in other words.
The Lost Orchid
The Lost Orchid 21 күн бұрын
I thought it was strange that it was directed like a horror movie until my other friend told me who directed it. Made a sense after that and within the first minute I already saw that this movie was going to be artsy! I appreciate the art not how it was directed.
Hu 7 сағат бұрын
I just watch the movie and what matpat says about how Wanda can't somehow travel universe but she can send those monster is what I've been thinking the whole time
browtf?? 13 күн бұрын
I love matpat confronting them and never hesitated to Roast them, he would be great in the MCU. He'll be our Greater Daredevil
Jonathan Mercer
Jonathan Mercer 3 күн бұрын
The blue on the cape came from that universe’s Dr.Strange’s cape.. he had a blue cape and you can see that in the scene they killed him, Richards was holding it
Samurai_ Man
Samurai_ Man Сағат бұрын
I recently re-watched no way home and the beyonders look shockingly similar to the ghost in the final few minutes
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