Film Theory: Arcane KILLED League of Legends?!

[@mikedoge5559]

First 3 seconds and I instantly gotta write this comment....NETFLIX didnt make Arcane....Riot Games and Fortiche did, Netflix is purely just streaming service so dont give them a single credit for this amazing show.

[@seaweedbanana4663]

So true there’s no way in any timeline netflix would be able to make a show like this they’re still probably thinking how to bring back “big mouth” or something giving them credit is like a spit to the face to the actual creators

[@tyukogames]

Same thing for the amazing digital circus

[@kityhawk2000]

Ok.... I mean you could apply this idea most movie studios and publishers. Distributors distribute content that's why they're called distributors and not writers or directors. Are you trying to argue Riots name isn't in the credits or the names of the other people who worked on the show???

[@mikedoge5559]

@@kityhawk2000 I am applying the fact that Netflix didnt hire a single person or did any work on this show except being a distributor Rito did all the writing, directing etc and Fortiche did all the animation The fact that people say "Netflix made Arcane" is just wrong buddy, idk what you on about...Netflix also makes their own shows, its not purely a distributor either??

[@mikedoge5559]

@@kityhawk2000 And the video literally starts with "Arcane might be the most important show Netflix has ever made"

[@nekro1348]

I appreciate you doing a video about Arcane/League of Legends, but maybe contact a League KZbinr before you post it. Lots in here is outrigtht wrong or at least inaccurate. First, Riot made Arcane, not Netflix. Second, the multiverse as such doesn't exist. There are some skin lines (KDA, Star Guardian, Odyssey/Dark Star, High Noon from the top of my head) which are canon in their own bubble, but separate from main Runeterra lore. The Void is THE threat to existence in Runeterra, but not in the other universes. They have their own story and lore. Third, there are a lot of places and regions on Runeterra that are disconnected from Arcane and still canon, albeit not as developed and refined. Strictly speaking to modern lore Noxus is one of the most important areas, even the timeline puts Noxus' foundation as the year 0. Whatever happens in Arcane is canon, but stuff that happens around it, too (Ruined King sealed, Ryze looking for the World Runes, Ixtal being on the path to connecting with the outside world, the Mage Rebellion in Demacia coming to a close, Lissandra keeping an Eye on Nunu and WIllump to stop the void and many more). They dont have to fit Arcane, at most they just have to not contradict it if they even cross paths. I do agree that league lore is confusing and needs a serious cleanup, but given the current focus in the company any lore development is very difficult. They had to fight to give Nidallee new voicelines. I pray Arcane will be followed by many more amazing shows expanding the lore of league like a story about LeBlanc keeping Mordekaiser in the Death Realm while he builds his army, Azir reviving Shurima, the conflict between Solari and Lunari, Jax fighting against the Void in Icathia, Ryze vs the Darkin. Lots of cool stuff I hope to see tl;dr: More research please

[@fyfas]

preach

[@HenriqueLoesch]

I kinda disagree with you, like hard. The thing is any old lore is just legends, Riot just said that everything GOING FORWARDS is cannon, if they think that noxus shouldn't have Mordekaiser then it won't, it's all around Arcane and everything after that. And yes the skins are different universes, it's explicitly said in the cosmic/star guardian skin lines that they are multiple timelines, convergence told the same thing. What they got wrong was the Bel'veth void, that it's different from the watchers void. The all-consuming, universe devouring void is the one in Freljord guarded by Lissandra, that's the dark star from cosmic and star guardian, the Bel'veth one is a region that's infected by the void and started to spread like cancer, in that regard you're correct the Bel'veth void is a world threat (like Viego or Mordekaiser), the watcher's void is the universe threat.

[@psiAlan]

Id would also be nice if there was a theory to be presented, they kinda just discussed known information with no proposal.

[@Lunar_Leit]

@@HenriqueLoesch sure, they could do whatever they want. but they are not gonna rewrite all their lore (which people really like) for no reason. they will only rewrite what they HAVE to. in your example, why would they move Mordekaiser away from Noxus? do you have any idea how much they would have to change? they would have to change more than just lore. Hextech is a big thing to change, but it's because they have to. there won't be no reason if they are gonna retcon something outside of Arcane. also convergence isn't cannon.

[@tommo4356]

If I remember correctly, riot said that until it gets updated, any current lore is still cannon, unless it contradicts with arcane, in which case, arcane is the correct version

[@r.a.d.h.4260]

Not a fan of phrases like "Netflix made..." and such. Netflix published the show, but didnt have the slightest say in production.

[@iceilliden1910]

Thankfully.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Dont forget netflix said no to shows like cobra kai

[@Gremlin_Boi_]

Thank you! This exactly! I'm tired of other peoples work being credited to Netflix or Amazon.

[@zalvian22]

Netflix often has a bias in their selection of who to publish, hence why a lot of "netflix made" shows that arent techincally netflix "made" have very similar tones and biases. Publishers CAN be impartial in their decision to produce things and have wide varieties of vibes, but netflix in particular has a noticeable bias in who they choose to produce

[@LarryWheel-q1c]

Jus watch the show dawg

[@AdventureSteve7]

I think you should've got someone that actually knows the lore, like Necrit or TBSkyen for this video. Dark Star is not a threat to Runeterra and all other skin lines are not canon nor part of the "old lore".

[@3NRAG3]

read my other comment, but SOME skin lines ARE canon. (Example: Sentinels)

[@AdventureSteve7]

@@3NRAG3 Yeah, I know some like Sentinels and Spirit Blossom are canon, I should've said "most" skins lines aren't canon

[@MrMeddyman]

I think they mistake certain skin universes which have multi-versal story properties (Dark Star (Event Horizon), PsyOps/Arctic Ops. Star Guardian, Pulsefire and Odyssey) as interacting with the base universe as well which is an additional leap in logic, they have not taken that step yet, but old Rioters have suggested that larger skin projects were seriously on the tabel around the time Odyssey was popping. Now that Arcane is a hit I don't think they will go in that direction.

[@piesnthighs123]

They missed the mark by a mile by not doing a collab with necrit

[@itsgonnabeokay9341]

Not TBSkyen, please.

[@Phobie_2000]

Arcane is the only piece of League Of Legends media I ever consumed. I literally didn’t even know it was based off of League until I was told. Such an amazing show you don’t even need to know anything about the games to enjoy it.

[@aquashuriken1634]

Yeah. And I'm so excited for when they bring more of leagues lore to life with arcane season 2 and spinoffs. This show helped me get into league lore. The game is cancer but at least it's got an interesting story.

[@aquamentai]

league doesnt actually tell almost anything about the lore of the universe anyways, plus arcane isnt canon to the game just inspired

[@Insomia404]

I personally didn’t really like the game, but the show was one of my personal favourites.

[@RlVlN]

@@aquamentai No, they made an announcement a while back that all things related to the League IP is canon so Arcane and a bunch of other stuff is all now connected. Of course that makes things a bit confusing but they've been handling all that since then.

[@HimitsuHunter]

@@aquamentai No. Arcane isn't FULLY canon to the game. It was still mostly canon. It has however reshaped the rest of the lore around it.

[@microwave9551]

The void is not a "Multiversal" thing, it is just contained to the one universe, and wants to consume that universe. Not EVERY Universe. Same with Dark Star, it is not canon to the main story-line, nor will it ever really be relevant. The Main Canon has an established universe that does not interact with the others, this includes the Void not going into other universes.

[@MrMeddyman]

I think they mistake certain skin universes which have multi-versal story properties (Dark Star (Event Horizon), PsyOps/Arctic Ops. Star Guardian, Pulsefire and Odyssey) as interacting with the base universe as well which is an additional leap in logic, they have not taken that step yet. I think the Ekko game is a big contributor to this, but I believe the intention was just for it to be just an easter egg/ for that game itself to be non-canon as Ekko looks through separate universes. Arcane wasn't regarded as canon when Convergence came out so Convergence on its' own suggests Arcane to be a separate universe, now Riot has firmly declared Arcane canon so much of the old lore of Piltover is conflicted. Riot has just really bad stewards of the IP throughout the entire reboot experience post-2014, they mistreated writers who left and took their story directions with them, Legends of Runeterra is famously pretty bad at being consistent in-universe and Riot Forge games legitimately did their own thing: specifically the Nunu game and some of Convergence as well. They just didn't continuity seriously and now they're paying for it.

[@mister_r447]

I think Void IS a multiversal thing. I'm pretty sure that's what the Star guardians are supoused to be fighting! Not those corrupted Star guardians or Star Nemesis. There was a PVE mode of Star guardians where they fought against void creatures so yeah, they are multiversal.

[@fuckhead0]

tbf for a time we knew that the canon universe was just another universe, which means that it could be a target of the dark star someday, but that would hardly ever become relevant unless riot wanted to start doing skinline crossovers with the main canon

[@omegaminoseer4539]

@@MrMeddyman SG is canonically fighting The Dark Star, according to Kai'Sa's vision. DS even notes that all universes will get consumed.

[@thehades8818]

​@@mister_r447they are omore of generic monsters. Cuz stuff like high noon or project have nothing to do with void. They just made simple league lore so confusing by making it seem like the MCU

[@Shythalia]

CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SAYING NETFLIX MADE THE SHOW?????? STOP CREDITING NETFLIX. I THOUGHT YOU DID RESEARCH. *Reminder* that most of the skin universes are completely separate (not connected) to the main universe. And NOT ALL are threatened by the Void; in some universes, there is no Void. R.I.P old Brackern lore. Your commentary surrounding Hextech was superb.

[@andrashuvelyes9714]

You don’t know the lore, it is riddled with incorrect statements (dark stars, skin lines, not having a main timeline before arcane, lol’s lore being tangled up in general is just wrong)

[@buczym6975]

Yeah it has concrete established lore for a long time now. The main difference was that there was a lot of things that weren't canon to the base universe (legends of Runeterra and Arcane mainly.) and it was unclear what is canon and what is not. THE LORE WASN'T SOME ANCIENT TEXT THAT TAKES FEW YEARS TO DECYPHER OR FEW SENTENCES THAT ARE TANGLED AND UNCLEAR. There were just different noncanon interpretations in different media and they got made canon for clarity.

[@told1652]

Ruthlessly incorrect in certain sections, but hey, good to finally see the theorist channels acknowledging league lore.

[@Kralovstvi_Kecupu]

Honestly? I dont this video is an add for Arcane

[@Macaulyn_97]

I'd rather they didn't acknowledge it, if it was gonna be this bad.

[@iamnolord]

@@Macaulyn_97how is this bad though? /genq

[@valbaumann2305]

​@@iamnolordthey fundamentaly missunderstand the league univers. The skinlines aren't all interacting with the league universe, they are separate universes with separate story's (they are exceptions tho like spirit blossom or sentinels). The dark star was never a thread to the main universe but was always its separate thing. The Void is not forgotten and clashed out of cannon. If riot would do that, the story of countless champions would completely collapse. So baisicly the conclusion of the video is completely false and doesn't make sense. They made it seem like riot will just delete things of off Canon just cuz they didint land but that is bulshit. They only decannonise something if it clashes with arcane.

[@-blorpe-]

@@iamnolord this is bad by.. yk how they uh got practically a ton wrong 😭

[@venomous_vox7012]

I'm not gonna lie this is the first time I saw a theory and went 'oh- oh no...' just based on the thumbnail and title, still havnt watched the video through but when I peeked at the comment my fear was right- it sounds like this ones not all that researched :,D Think i'll sleep on this one...

[@lucillemurphy1102]

Same. I cant bring myself to watch this which sucks because I was SOOOO excited for it and then realized with a title like that they probably didn't have all the information on the lore which I would have loved to see some real investigation into the main line canon which based on this comment section is definitely not what happened.

[@mixxieruffles5993]

Necrit should react to this. He REALLY should react to it

[@evanluck1229]

Tbh it would be him staring at the screen for 17 min. He's already talked about the old lore, and the confirmation of Arcane being the new canon. This video was click bait and a nothing burger

[@Plight_]

Be should've been in the video he's almost been single handedly covering leagues lore for close to a decade

[@mixxieruffles5993]

@@evanluck1229 Yeah but I feel like if drama starts because of this video, he'll cover it

[@durttheelder4035]

​@@evanluck1229 it is for anyone who knows stuff about league lore, but all the people that just watch arcane wouldn't know this stuff

[@durttheelder4035]

​@@mixxieruffles5993which sucks his content used to be so much better than that

[@thatpunkcatte]

Netflix didn't make Arcane. They just published it. I'm not sure how you turned this topic into 17 minutes and 48 seconds of babbling but here's the cliffnotes: - No, it didn't ruin the lore. Riot have retconned their lore so many times now that it's just another one that happened. The only thing Arcane has done is finally drive a nail into the storyboard and say "THIS HAPPENED". That's it. That's the nearly 18 minute video condensed.

[@jackspratt7264]

You know this goof is trying to milk that ad revenue by making this insidiously long and ultimately useless video. I'm so sick of superfluous videos like this, you have no idea.

[@TrulyGodsGoofiest]

I assumed that the video is bad, knowing how bad League lore is. Looks like I hit the mark perfectly.

[@jaydena6297]

​@@TrulyGodsGoofiestthe way you people come to conclusions is truly the f****** weirdest

[@sigglace8087]

As well as taking out all the direct misinformation in the video. Thank you very much

[@dianalopez130]

1:40 Poor Tom, first Lee steals videogame lore and then Santi gets picked over him to talk about said lore😂

[@jaketaller8567]

Talk about adding salt to the wound. No pun intended.

[@laneleach]

Not to mention next time is Fallout.

[@jaketaller8567]

@ That was a previous theory.

[@joshginnelly7282]

Think they missed a trick not having Tom have a little segment complaining that Lee chose Santi to Collab with. Would have been funny to see the angry sibling dynamic we usually see between the hosts.

[@ItisJasmine27]

​@@joshginnelly7282oh yes.. They could've done that

[@vsg297]

This feels like if a guy who watched 5 Necrit videos on shuffle was forced to make a league lore video. Seriously you had plenty of time to do proper research since the Arcane hype isn't going anywhere soon.

[@supertoaster57]

They didn't throw out all the old lore, they are just going to improve on it so it makes more sense, that's what they did with piltover and zaun in arcane. All the void lore is still relatively cannon, it just hasn't going through the refinement process that has happened in arcane. When they said that going forward everything from them is cannon, they meant all other forms of media as well, not just arcane. If you watch any of their champion trailers or cinematic shorts since everything has become cannon ie the bel veth one, it proves that void and it's lore is still cannon and part of the universe but it hasn't gone through it's refinement process yet. I really do not understand how you came to the conclusion that they are just "throwing out lore" and all the big driving plot points of league is just gone. 16:48 Yes they are reminding people that void is the main villians of the whole ip, released after they said everything going forward is cannon. How does this not make sense?

[@chuckled125]

I would think of it the same way I think of Star Wars EU stuff after the Disney buyout: consider it canon until the new canon contradicts it

[@nathanielvaughn6728]

Except that Disney explicitly threw out anything in the old canon that wasn't specifically brought into the new one. From what I've been reading, that doesn't _seem_ to be the case with League?

[@chuckled125]

@@nathanielvaughn6728 I mean sure, but if they keep contradicting it for the sake of better storytelling like they did for arcane s1, my point probably still applies

[@INTstincts]

@@chuckled125 The difference with Star Wars is that Disney explicitly threw out the old EU lore, and said that only the movies were canon. Then, they sometimes reference events or stories from the EU, but the default approach there is "assume it's not canon until we make it so". Basically, the old lore was discarded, but Disney left themselves the option to opt in to bits and pieces of it and "recanonize" it. With League lore, they're doing the opposite: Assume everything we've got right now is canon unless Arcane (or one of the following projects) contradicts it. The shows and other new media will be the new default source of truth, but only as a clarifying thread... so, for comparison, if Disney was running this project, right now the Void is completely decanonized and does not exist, but they reserve the right to someday make a show about characters from the void or throw out some reference to the void, in which case it becomes real again. With Riot's approach, everything we know about the void is still true, but a show might come out that takes all of the disparate and sometimes contradictory storylines and smooshes them down into one single timeline of events, which will be the new "correct" canon. As an example, the lore around Kassadin, Malzahar, and Kai'Sa is pretty convoluted, and the rough outline is that Malz is a void prophet who tricked Kassadin into throwing his daughter Kai'Sa into the void, so he would follow her in and Malz could convince him to join his void cult... probably. It's not super clear. They came out at very different times, and each one has lore that might contradict the other. If Riot makes a show called "Voidborne" or something, they could straighten out that story, and anything they say IN that show is now the new canon, but until that time, the loose messy version of the lore is still generally true.

[@chuckled125]

@@INTstincts ...yes, I understood that already.

[@devastatheseeker9967]

"League of Legends isn't known for it's story" Necrit is screaming right now

[@xin0206]

Even I as a non League player raised my eyebrow at this. My brother didn't spend hours yapping to me about leagues lore for him to chop it down to that

[@devastatheseeker9967]

@xin0206 the reason Arcane worked so well is that while differing from the lore it still took its dna from the lore of runeterra. And that lore is amazing. People say it's a "videogame adaptation" but it really isn't at all.

[@ManInTheMyddle]

League heads watching this are just face-palming through this entire video... While I appreciate the effort, you guys got so many things wrong. The story in Arcane happens in Piltover and Zaun (Noxians do show up in the show but we didn't see the region). There are MANY regions in Runeterra. For example, they could make a show based in Shadow Isles and the story of Arcane would have no effect because the regions are so far apart and there's little to no crossover. So no, the lore won't be affected by Arcane unless it's specifically a PnZ lore. Also, Riot WILL continue creating "alternate universe" skins.

[@nekro1348]

An attempt was made, but I feel they hardly said anything in this video. On top of being inaccurate or outright incorrect. They could've maybe reached out to Necrit for a league theory and do a collab. Or at least ask him or a different League KZbinr if what they want to say is accurate

[@terror_nightmare9308]

@@nekro1348 yeah, when the notification hits i was so excited for an arcane theory, but after all it's just an advertisement for Factor because i already know most of the stuffs they mentioned.

[@emanuelbuenop]

@@nekro1348 agreed! I was hoping the secret guest they would announce on the beginning was him :(

[@nekro1348]

@@terror_nightmare9308 there was hardly a point made, even from the perspective of someone who doesnt know league lore

[@kellym9190]

@@nekro1348Necrit would have made for a genius collab, this is a little hard to watch as is, you’re right

[@williamgbewinther2800]

I need necrit and/or another league youtuber to make a 1 hour video of everything you got wrong

[@Macaulyn_97]

TBSkyen just reacted to it in his 3BSkyen channel

[@MALØR.34]

Riot developed a game for more than 10 years just to advertise this series. Absolute genius!

[@badnoab7560]

Bro you're not slick This comment isn't yours 😂

[@chicken3026]

@@badnoab7560 womp womp 😢😢

[@JelproXy]

​@@badnoab7560anime profile opinion

[@jayvhoncalma3458]

​@@badnoab7560 weep me a ocean

[@Aarvid_Hati]

the other way around Don't care if it's a joke

[@aneonfoxtribute]

A few corrections: 1. Saying League is not known for its "groundbreaking lore" is misleading. It has GREAT lore, there's a ton of people invested in the story of these characters 2. Viktor's lore flip flopped back and forth all the time. It was not as simple as "old Viktor was more complex and they made him a comical supervillain". The original Viktor was a comical supervillain, and then they changed his lore like four times flip flopping his morality. 3. The Dark Star skinline does not want to destroy the multiverse. The skin multiverses are entirely separate and have no bearing on the story, with the exception of Spirit Blossom, which are actual spirits in Ionia that just take the form of certain characters. Dark Star is NOT NEARLY the main villains of the League IP. There is also nothing suggesting that the Void is after the whole multiverse. 4. You are correct that Viktor and Jayce's stories are different, but you're wrong about why. The Viktor we see is the man before he became full metal, so using his current League lore to say hes different isn't quite accurate cuz Viktor hasn't gotten to that point yet 5. The Riot Forge games, most notably Convergence, were mostly created before they announced the unified canon. Convergence also does not fit into Arcane. Ekko is NOT the same character. Ekko in Convergence is League Ekko, NOT Arcane Ekko, and the story in Convergence is about League P/Z, NOT Arcane. The other games have nothing to do with P/Z so it's impossible to say how accurate they are to Arcane, but odds are it's entirely inaccurate because in League lore, magic is a commom practical all across the world, and not some thing that needs to be discovered. Jayce and Viktor look like idiots trying to find "magic" when they can go to one of a dozen different locations that use magic commonplace. This is why the Arcane merge DOES NOT WORK, because they have to spend the entire universe to make it work. 6. However, this does NOT mean it changes the Void or any of the skin lines. As said earlier, Dark Star was never relevant to the main universe. There is nothing suggesting the Void doesn't exist (outside of Jayce and Viktor being dumb and not knowing that Shurima exists). The other skin lines were NEVER relevant to the main story so they are unchanged 7. Bel'Veth is not the empress of the Void. The Watchers are the rulers of the Void. Bel'Veth is just a particularly sentient monster that BELIEVES herself to be the empress of the Void and is trying to overthrow the Watchers

[@kluipo5561]

just a last minute lazy uninspired video timed correctly at the launch of season 2 of arcane for some cash grab.

[@codebracker]

I think they will just decide that Convergance is an alternate timeline, just like Arcane was supposed to be

[@darklord9270]

​@@codebracker i mean, league as a few timelines, most of them centered around skins, funny part, they made lore for it, i mean not just 3-4 sentences but a few chapters of lore

[@codebracker]

@@darklord9270 no the skinlines are completely different universes (with some exceptions)

[@Altmer353]

Jayce and Viktor developing hextech works out just fine for the lore. They did not "find magic", i suggest you to rewatch first season. Piltover's council and Heimendinger spends like first 3 episodes arguing with Jayce, saying that magic is dangerous and the primary reason why Piltover was built. To make life for common people who cant use magic better and to create sanctuary from other mages and their wars. And for that they focused on science. While most of the world stuck in pre-industrial period, with different kind of mages ruling commoners and warring with each other, Piltover is century ahead of them in scientific field and industrialisation. What Viktor and Jayce did is opened a way for common man, who doesnt have any talent and knowledge of magic, to be able to use it, like and ordinary mechanical device. They combined technology and magic to achieve that. This trope is generally called magitech, here it is hextech.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

I don't care if takes another years for season new. I just want them to do whatever it takes to maintain this level of narrative, character arcs, voice acting, animation etc. It's going to be a very steep hill to climb. If they pull off season 2 with this level of quality, this show will be cemented as legendary.

[@eddthe9th]

Two things 1. Beastars, nice 2. They are 100 keeping up to standard with season 2, but season 2 will be the last season

[@RankedSweat-x1g]

@Nl66ERHATER23do you have some kind of mental illness

[@3NRAG3]

@@eddthe9th Yep, after Season 2 of Arcane, they will be rotating their focus to different film projects and the MMO.

[@ohhmangos]

Season 2 is the final season which makes me think they absolutely will rise to the occasion. The writers had even said before they didn't even start making the show until they had everything planned out storywise-- which is unfortunately a rarity these days.

[@animus269]

The character arcs were there in the old lore, you just had to piece them together.

[@lucianocastrogiovanni2879]

Ok so you didn't actually do your research. On release League of Legends had its own NEWSPAPER that specifically canonized the lore of the universe and developed the stories of many of the characters back in the day. You can say it was discontinued and they did like 4 lore revamps, sure, but to say "they basically never had lore until years later" is factually incorrect.

[@jeycopcuervo7524]

i did not get how it killed... low quality video again...

[@gabrieldu3474]

This

[@moo4700]

What is this vid btw? What is the theory? Some of the stuff isnt even accurate which is obvious if u have played league. We just needed to get a vid out before s2 to grab some views ?

[@Slazenger-nl1rd]

Fr it feels so forced

[@procrastinator547]

Yup. Have to remember this is a company and not a small KZbin channel putting out videos because they’re passionate about it. This video exists solely for that factor sponsorship in the middle.

[@GundamDemon]

3:57 sorry but Riot actually had a Lore Keeper to keep up with the basic lore of the game Champions that cane out actually had anywhere between 3-5 paragraphs of history and lore. There was also a tab located on the players tab called Runeterra News which actually gave players small snipits of game lore. The original lore of the game was the world was in such chaos between the many of waring factions that the Institute of War was created. There every nation would send their best champions to duel it out on the 5v5 map or the 3v3 map controlled by Summoners. It was a game within a game. Which ever side won the duel was granted whatever they originally came in with. This was to stop the land being destroyed by war, magic and famine. So if Noxus wanted to take over X amount of Demician Land they would come to the Institute of War and battle it out. If Noxus won they took that Demician land, likewise if Demica won, Noxus would be denied that land grab. A little bit of research or talking to OG League players that cared about lore would have reviled this fact.

[@aripocki]

They literally explained everything in your comment in the video

[@perfectdivot2583]

Skin universes were never relevant to the main story of the game, there is no multiverse in the main league lore

[@3NRAG3]

true there is no multiverse, but some skinlines ARE canon. (Example: Sentinels)

[@hangeloarias7580]

@3NRAG3 shhhh sshhh 🤫 we dont talk about the sentinels of light event.

[@skylofter6840]

I wouldn't currently count sentinels as canon tbh that whole events prolly gonna get wiped with how bad it was both lore wise and like overall wise​@@3NRAG3

[@Lord_Dranek]

@@hangeloarias7580 Or the Ruination

[@CesarPerez-bl6fx]

Has no one play convergence 😢

[@tritonbard7704]

Love that you’re covering league and arcane, but there’s barely any theory here. You literally say like 3 quarters of the way through that this isn’t theory and then explain how it’s not. The only bit of a theory that’s here is at the very end when you bring up that the left behind or failed projects and stories are the ones that were consumed by the void. That’s it. Ofc it’s a very well made video as always, but what’s the theory? Also, can we hold back on the click bait titles please

[@emi.gov_]

my thoughts exactly

[@bubdad12]

Its not even based on any kind of truth, the void doesnt consume other storylines, it's not multiversal. If anything, saying that is more symbolic of a greater eradication of lore, and thusly not a theory 😭😭😭

[@ralfg4mer]

Small mistake but spirit blossom skins are not a separate universe, it is in the main runneterra universe but the skins represent different characters than the champions (aside from Kindred who are still themselves. At least it was like that when they released but I haven't seen anything from riot in years.

[@MaverickMyth]

This video made le question the validity of all previous videos, because there's just So. many. Mistakes.

[@SmallOneEyedKing]

Necrit, Nickeeboy, TBSkyen Are your dude to help you keep up the Lore of Runeterra.

[@atregan]

no offense but i can't see the theory.. isn't all that is already established stuff?

[@alenmozes2372]

the theory is how many innacurate things can you say confidently in one video, until the like/dislike ratio becomes 1/1

[@kingblob17]

This is the Hollow Knight and Subnautica theories all over again, please put more effort and research into making these videos

[@thehades8818]

1. Skinline lore isn't important or relevant its 2. Just cuz an old lore gets an update doesn't mean that lore is inconsistant, just means they re did the lore. 3. Bel veth isn't the actual empress of the void he is just another voidling. 4. There is not a singular main villain in runeterra's lore. Ruined king, Darkin, Volibear's followers, Jhin, Gangplank, pyke, 10 primordial demons and all other demons. Dark star is just a skinline and will never be relevant. League has been around for like 12 years its normal they wanna redo some old lore like Skarner,Vi, Jinx etc

[@maikschneider6433]

Prob "the Watchers" are the Main villains But only a few Like Lissandra and Ryze know about the threat

[@thehades8818]

@maikschneider6433 most things are world ending threats in runeterra. Just cuz watchers are the biggest don't mean there is a main villian

[@buczym6975]

I think the void can be considered the main villain since 1. It wants to destroy the whole concept of existing making it the biggest threat scale 2. Out of all villains it has the most champions connected to it lorewise (on either side) 3. It is important in a lot of history of Runeterra (for example the creation of Darkin and war of the demigods and three sisters) Out of all main villains void is the mainest but of course it is not the only threat in Runeterra

[@jonathanaimoto]

@@thehades8818 they were kind of just quoting riot games as far as lore being “inconsistent”, but yeah i’m pretty sure the theory channels understand lore being retconned/updated and the difference between it being inconsistent.

[@thehades8818]

@jonathanaimoto its lore developed over 10 years it can't be flawless. And they don't seem to understand a lot of it especially with the fact how they presented the void.

[@poisonedoak6563]

...Bel'Veth is the "void empress" yes but she's not the be-all end-all of the void, and never was? We've known about the Watchers since Lissandra's release. If anything she's a potential ally because she's an intelligent corrupted voidling, as all voidlings in Runeterra are. (Corrupted, not necessarily intelligent) Reality warps them and she looks human becuase she ate an entire town of humans and it changed her. Please do your research beforee telling everyone that Bel'Veth is the empress of the void, or at least provide some context.

[@buczym6975]

Not really a potential ally. She still wants to enslave Runeterra. She's just a lesser danger than the watchers.

[@poisonedoak6563]

Watchers want Runeterra destroyed. She wants to rule over it. Enemy of my enemy? I did say “potential”

[@buczym6975]

@@poisonedoak6563 I see it more as teaming up with your enemy to defeat bigger mutual enemy. But after that going back to being enemies. Like USA and Russia in WWII

[@Karanthaneos]

@@buczym6975 After that, it gets difficult

[@sinfulwrath666]

If Mossbag is gonna be Matpat's nightmare when making mistakes on his Hollow Knight theory. Necrit will be there if its League.

[@thecactusman989]

Next time, Invite Necrit.

[@VENG-k1d]

It's really sad to see just how far these channels have fallen

[@squishyazalea9970]

arcane hasnt really drastically changed anything the lore, most of what we see still works. like in league lore, its 2+2=4, but in arcane its 3+1=4. the lore is still intact

[@deltatrunefan7774]

Tbh I always though that Arcane was the only part of League that didn’t ruin lives 💀💀💀

[@AndreSantos-kv1nr]

I've been saying for years that everything around the game is amazing (cinematics, music, lore) but the game itself has many flaws and it's still true but now with more things and good singleplayer games and legends of runneterra

[@JohnnyElRed]

It ruined Camille's life, at least.

[@bread4108]

The story and music department have been golden for a while, but their games are definitely painful sometimes

[@valkyrrrr]

yOU GOOFED UP so many of the points you said like did you even read anything properly?

[@muun9403]

Oh christ a lot of this is innacurate.

[@DustinHasVideos]

This felt like a commercial for the show. What was the theory?

[@mattagostino4933]

Did I miss something? Where was the theory here? It seemed like it was just talking about the show arcane is the new canon

[@ibrahim5463]

NECRIT MENTION AT 7:35

[@sininenkungz]

Oh? Do you mean a man who could make a 30 seconds teaser into a 15 minutes video? 😂😂😂

[@Wikwil]

The amount of misinformation in this video is staggering

[@Ollivie13]

It's criminal that they didn't include Necrit for this one

[@BatAmerica]

Arcane is a two-season show that deserves every second of screen time. As a non-League of Legends fan, I quickly empathized with and followed the storyline due to how well it characterizes each lead. While it may be sad to see Arcane go, it's much better to have a completed show that's short rather than a longer incomplete series.

[@viktoranderas9541]

Yeah and we are getting other series. Just with other characters. Which is almost better then one long one.

[@BatAmerica]

@@viktoranderas9541 That's true.

[@Tracenji]

@@viktoranderas9541 i would like to see some characters cross into other series, but idk the lore and if it would allow for that

[@3NRAG3]

@@Tracenji It depends on which characters. Singed has an entire story-arc working for Noxus (Ambessa's faction) during the invasion of Ionia.

[@jogsi1558]

I'd rather play the game

[@jeanito1393]

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F, as a league player one of the only reasons I kept playing is BECAUSE OF THE LORE every character had and how it formed Runeterra, like I LITERALLY met new friends just cause I saw them playing and IMMEDIATELY WE JUST TALKED ABOUT LEAGUE LORE FOR HOURS. NEVER, AND I REALLY SAY NEVER, DARE SAYING THAT LEAGUE OF LEGENDS ISN'T KNOOOWN FOR ITS GROUND BREAKING STORY!!!!! Yall should have talked to Necrit before talking about league, he is the actual League of Legends Theorist.

[@PosiWritesStories]

“Your honour, League of Legends.” Arcane: “Death”

[@hjbsxjjjjwhb]

As it should

[@jogsi1558]

"Is better"

[@cabbagebutterfly800]

this feels like when they did a video on Hollow Knight all over again. No hate to the production team but jesus christ, this is not a small indie project that has hidden lore and plots scatter around for people to pick up and piece. There are a plethora of youtubers all about the lore of League, you can just ask Necrit or TBSKyen and they'd happily give you insight, and those are just the big ones.

[@sycam0r]

0:22 as a Brazilian, please come to Brazil

[@annusunus6949]

Apoio

[@lucianoardanazsgalla8630]

JAMAS

[@danielvenancioduartecarval242]

so pela a mensao

[@3NRAG3]

As someone who has played League since beta and also played DOTA in WC3, I was EXTREMELY skeptical of how you guys would cover this. But, you guys did a pretty good job. There were a couple things y'all got wrong though. -Not EVERY skinline is canon. Many of them are just fun bonuses to the game. (example: the LUCHADOR and ARCADE skins) Some skinlines are. (Example: SENTINELS and CHOSEN OF THE WOLF) -There is more than one "Big Bad" for Runeterra. The Void, The Shadow Isles, the Watchers (can be argued to be a subset of the Void,) Lissandra and her tribe in the Freljord, The Darkin and remnants of creatures and characters from the Rune Wars are all similarly "Big Bads". -Also, with the way they have constructed the world, you can see that they are building it towards an MMO centric structure. 2 (or maybe 3) base factions in a "starter continent". Intertwining of multiple races within the major factions. Separated and/or isolated landmasses for higher level areas and expansions. Entire "undiscovered" continents for future content. (Camavor) The lore is being geared towards the MMO, not the shows. The shows are microcosms within the greater universe that is the canvas where the MMO will be drawn. Think of the MMO as a collection of books all within the same universe, and each show will be a separate title within the collection. Other than these quick points, you guys were pretty spot on. Good job with the video. I hope to see more of this in the future. Edit: Also, it would have been nice for you guys to delve DEEPER into some of the lore. But, seeing how the video came out, probably a good thing you stayed mostly surface level.

[@olleselin]

This just HAS to be the greatest Video Game Adaptation ever made!!

[@hassansody]

Yeah, and cyberpunk edgerunners too

[@kaimelis]

It is. Edgerunners is not close, probably nothing will be is S2 is as good.

[@nepnep2360]

@@hassansodynah not even close

[@colinmcintyre9074]

i wouldn't even call it a video game adaptation tbh.

[@hjbsxjjjjwhb]

No question

[@yo75z33]

actually, contrary to popular belief the league universe s story is quite amazing and well built

[@emanuelbuenop]

"Multiple ingame events about the void", I wish... Jokes aside there were SO many things you guys got wrong on the video, but we all appreciate the effort, would have been great if you guys called in a lore youtuber to collab, Necrit is the goat for so many years now

[@alenmozes2372]

I think you guys somewhat misrepresented league's lore. Technicly the skins are other universes, but the main universe was said to never interact with any of the other universes. Also "void" is the main universe's main villian, not an alternate threat. In the main league lore there are a LOT of inconsistensies, but not because of the alternate universes. Also, Arcane just made it a LOT more confusing. What is magic? Are half of the league champs really rare mages? The existanse of magic and mages is basicly made rare from being common. All in all, league lore is and was never a multiverse, and arcane as a canon series did more bad than good. Watch tbskien's video on Why Arcane should not be canon...

[@metalsonic3845]

9:16 skip sponsorship

[@mindcraftful]

Appreciated 👍

[@Macaulyn_97]

@@metalsonic3845 Skip the whole video, it's not worth it.

[@Panmufinq]

normalize playing sett and zac support 17:25

[@kellym9190]

I love it when tops bottom UwU But fr tho Sett support is so much fun

[@zaej4317]

Yeap, i go for a MS and Tank build, I call it the hypersonic brick.

[@Buzk_4]

1:40 i really expected to see Necrit here

[@arthursandrino9366]

Same

[@seaweedbanana4663]

they really should’ve I feel like an average necrit viewer knows more lore than the ones who did research for this video

[@joddelrealingo7737]

Talking about the LORE of this universe without Necrit, doesn't feel right.

[@ThatVia]

Spirit Blossom is canon, it’s the mythology of Ionia

[@stefan-turbo]

bro cooked but nobody was hungry man just call necrit instead of pulling research out your assxd

[@Cozy_Chomps1234]

1:30 they did tom dirty

[@Cozy_Chomps1234]

2:48

[@blightygames]

This just ain’t it chief, I haven’t played in years and even I know that half of what you’re saying is just wrong.

[@garfield155]

hi film theory man have you ever played Littlebigplanet

[@c7walker7]

As soon as you said League isn't know for isn't story telling i switched off. League has an expansion Lore

[@intriguedkomi4888]

Is this an attempt to jump on the Arcane hype since you guys seem to do little to no research into this

[@psychopedia999]

Not gonna lie this video is click bait and should be taken down, there's no theory, there's a lot of inaccuracies and I'm genuinely disappointed by the entire video. Please remake it with someone that actually knows what they're talking about because this isn't worthy of being a theory video at all. DO BETTER

[@SarahGarcia-mo9ge]

This just made what I needed today!

[@Cokie4]

guys,theres more death realms,newest skin collection"choosen of the lamb" is the noxus death realm where there is no lamb,"spirit blossom" is ionian death realm where theres no wolf.And Mordekaiser created his own death realm

[@Lurdann]

U miss the opportunity to collab with the go to lore professor: Necrit.

[@Cale6165]

3:58 This is horribly misleading. Riot *had* lore for champions and released newspaper articles reporting the state of the world at various points. Some champions had paragraphs and paragraphs of backstory before they were culled around 2015(?). To state that there was "no lore" is a complete falsehood.

[@KasumiMitsukari]

Okay okay. So I play League since 2015 and am highly invested in the games lore since the beginning. I even choose champions to play after how i liked their lore. And yes, I get it. It is definatly necessary to make more clear what is canon and what not. Especially between new champions and old ones that are not updated yet. That aside, I AM a Viktor main. Mostly because his lore. I spent way too much time diving into his and Jayces lore and i loved the way it was written were they were describing the same events but highly change depending on what view point you read. And thats what I don't like about Arcane becoming canon. Old Viktor was so cool for me because he actually believed that mechanizing people was the way to go to help them. He wasn't just plain evil at first, his morale and look on things highly distorted by his traumatic past before becoming obsessed and a maniac with a whole cult surrounding him and stuff like that. But that's what i really liked about his lore. With all the little side stories they wrote you could see his decent into madness but the idea he had wasn't born out of hatred or evil intentions. It showed a character that had good intentions but they got warped the more he dove into madness. And now....we have a viktor that just does these things because he is ill. Not because he is convinced its the right thing to do but because HE needs to do it to survive. It feels so lame in comparison for me and changes his chatacter so drastically that it is basically a whole other person. Sure, that could change in season 2 but the way it is now it feels really disappointing for me that they went this route. I really hope it changes because i loved arcane as a whole but more like an alternate version then completely deleting the old chars. Still, i really enjoed this episode and it mentioned a lot of stuff i also noticed ^-^

[@katherinemitchell2552]

I completely agree with this! In my head, I tend to consider Arcane as an AU. I think that the old lore of the champions was really interesting and I wish the show incorporated more of it rather than retconning and writing new things. I did enjoy arcane, but some of the characters feel very different from their old League counterpart if that makes sense

[@demords]

@@katherinemitchell2552didn’t they say that this wasn’t canon at first but it got wayyyy too popular that they have to make it canon

[@katherinemitchell2552]

@@demords yep pretty much

[@TheSnowmason]

you should have contacted Necrit, at 7:36, in terms of League Lore...

[@Queen_Audrey1803]

just imagine being with this game from day one figuring out the super confusing lore only for years later a shows come out and the creator says "oh yea that the way its suposse to be go with that forget the old stuff"

[@yoshifrazzled7628]

Don’t have to imagine been playing since the beta

[@Queen_Audrey1803]

@@yoshifrazzled7628 the BETA dude thats ouch my dude im sorry

[@JohnnyElRed]

Now imagine they did that to you TWICE.

[@Queen_Audrey1803]

@@JohnnyElRed my dude i cant imagine your pain

[@kauanjos3199]

Riot has been doing this for years it isn't new. The only thing arcane really changed in the lore was Viktor and Jayce backstory, and the hextech origin with the bracken

[@marcito12345]

should have got necrit for this

[@cormacbevins9679]

Ya know that Arcane is canon right? Riot themselves said it. "Everything's canon".

[@dex2834]

1:15 you just ignore necrit like that?

[@Molly_cottontailcrybaby]

I've been waiting so long for an Arcane theory!!!!!!!

[@Macaulyn_97]

You know... you're guys are better off leaving League and Arcane alone. It's quite clear you have very limited knowledge of it and didn't even bother contacting KZbinrs that could have helped with it, and... seriously, just don't touch League/Arcane's stories ever again.

[@Zman-cy1uh]

And dont ever touch this aging 📱🤰

[@CardBored-hg1ix]

I know this is unrelated, but I love the gravity Falls theory you guys made😊

[@adeh.d]

The special guest should have been Necrit.

[@r.achmadrivaldi8598]

I'm not gonna even try to correct your lore explanation which quite confused (multiverse side) I'm just so glad that you guys actually cover this game

[@Leonidas1]

Yeah, if y'all make another vid about Arcane y'all gonna need to get into contact with League KZbinrs who knows the lore by heart like even the old lore

[@ametrinel]

No necrit collab?

[@bxdcherri4761]

I saw this title and got so excited as a die hard league fan and all of its lore, as well as a lover of the theorist channels...but i did have my doubts about whether or not this would be accurate. Unfortunately, I was right. Happy to see you shine a light on Arcane and League, however being such a mainstream and influential channel, I really REALLY wish you had someone like Necrit on this video to fact check.

[@AOT_suicidalmaniac]

there is no theory

[@TheWizardMus]

I KNEW it would be Santi instead of Tom I could feel it in my BONES

[@TarezOfficial]

What exactly was the theory here? Litteraly everything here is either wrong or outright confirmed

[@michaelmaurath109]

Was this script AI written? There was no void event. Only rumors and hopes posted on Reddit.

[@KodukoLoL]

I don't think the void and dark star are out of the story yet. Arcane only shows 2 cities of the whole world. Maybe the Void can attack a different area in the world or something like Viego or Darkin just happens later / earlier in the same world. There are 100% ways to write the story and lore so that every major villain and part of the old lore still fits with arcane.

[@zephyrschiesser5408]

Ya, idk why they imply that the old lore is being thrown out when it isn't. Riot said that if there are inconsistencies that the newest piece of media will be the one that is cannon, not that Arcane is the only cannon thing in league lore.

[@frommagecaseus6799]

Arcane never felt to me like a game adaption and I believe that it's because it is not one. It's a show that looked at league of legend and decided to tell it's own story : it wasn't afraid took the elements it wanted and rewrite them while keeping their original idea when the story and theme needed it (the relationship between Viktor and Jayce is a good exemple as they could have done anything to it and it wouldn't have matter). It had a lot of hole to fill and the idea that it's a reboot do add to this idea.

[@ExtraordinaryJam]

Yeah it never felt like it, I was very surprised when I blindly watch this show for the first time

[@NBSF41917]

YO FINALLY, A LEAGUE THEORY FOR ONCE

[@sinarchbishop]

Theorists release Arcane theory: Noone: Necrit: "Finally A worthy opponent, OUR BATTALE WILL BE LEGENDERY"

[@Stolen.Silence]

I’ve still never seen arcane I really gotta get on that

[@SALskem]

You should it is really good

[@Shythalia]

Yo, season 2 comes out on Nov 9!

[@SALskem]

@ TOMMOROW

[@vlas1595]

Very bad take imo. Arcane, if anything, gives Riot the chance to remake the lore and tie loose ends, in order to make it more consistent. Arcane also isn't the center piece you claim it is, but is rather a story from an overall giant universe. I think you are overreaching quite a bit.

[@superpikachusam1839]

4:28, i think you meant to type Za Waurdo

[@DavyEddyBenny]

With that comically long build up I knew the guest wasn’t gonna be Tom, but legit surprised me the presence of Santi here.

[@tajnyucet5375]

2:47 the what now?

[@kellym9190]

My senpais ^u^

[@IrelandWJO16]

Rip Skarner, Camille, and orianna’s lore