DID ALIEN:ROMULUS STEAL FROM THE ORIGINAL ALIEN MOVIES? | Film Threat Versus

[@pacershark452]

There was a LOT of plagiarism in Romulus. They even stole ripley's most famous line from aliens!

[@ps5andstuffhere]

That was deliberately done. Are you silly? Ridley Scott produced it lol. The director said he added a few similar scenes for the fans. It's good

[@jeromeisaacs4428]

That must have been a studio executives idea i hate that kind of interference it ruins the whole Film

[@Kami84]

@@pacershark452 I think using lines from the previous movies is corny and cheapens the movie, making it feel more like an homage than a work of art standing on its own merit.

[@ChrisS-no3ft]

That shows lack of creativity, and frankly, border line plagiarism and offense to Cameron’s script.

[@TheRealSwedishChef]

Ikr? The Alien even looked the same! And there were little aliens that jumped on your face just like in Alien 1979! Like, come up with a new design! Stop ripping off other movies!

[@pdm881]

I think they set out to make movie version of Alien Isolation, but then the studio butchered it.

[@Shdowstorm]

I had the same thoughts exactly when I saw the full trailer.

[@dreal500]

Dude with the dark roast coffee shirt was so right. That "get away from her line" from "Aliens" was untouchable. But what do we expect from a team that was willing to recklessly use Ian Holms likeness for some shitty throw away character. Because that thing was not Ash.

[@leerollins]

I wonder how much of that was the director, and how much was Ridley saying "you will put this in the movie" ?

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

During the whole movie I thought that was Ash! lol It's after I saw people talking about the movie in podcasts that I learned he was somebody else. It's weird how they would have a similar robot as Ash also having his body destroyed like Ash. They really wanted to trick the audience, I guess. lol Why even do that?

[@artinist]

It’s essentially a retelling of Alien resurrection, especially the ending

[@tm5123]

This is like saying a pear and a steak is the same thing, as both can be eaten.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Pretty much. They just took parts of all the movies and stole all the popular lines to be member berries, but that ending is pure Resurrection with that alien/human hybrid

[@anthonybrett]

Totally agree. It was better than resurrection in my opinion (not a hard reach) but at the same time both movies had the same foundations. Pitch "An external crew land on a research station that is experimenting with Aliens. The Aliens escape, and slowly kill the crew while they try to find a way off the research station and create a new hybrid Alien in the process." What pitch was that? Romulus or Resurrection?

[@ADB696]

@@anthonybrett While totally spitting in the face of the original film (yet again) by retconning the ending of the movie and nearly 50 years of firmly established lore. No Ripley you didn’t burn the alien up in a light speed thruster and then watch it spiral off into the endless void. The alien survived,cocooned itself, you know just in case someone picks it up and brings it aboard a space station. Let’s conveniently forget the Nostromo was diverted off course to secure a specimen of a possibility hostile organism and BRiNG IT TO EARTH for the BIO WEAPONS DIVISION.. Locating seven foot objects twenty years later in the vastness of deep space is piss easy. Because the wreckage of the Nostromo wouldn’t be utterly vaporised in a thermonuclear detonation with a blast radius of 30km. And the alien would obviously float in orbit with the wreckage lmao! Face huggers aren’t lethal anymore. You swat them away like flies. And who needs an egg these days . Facehuggers can conveniently be engineered from alien dna. Love me some make it up as you go along plot armour bs. It’s become the hallmark of alien movies. Jumping the shark doesn’t even begin to describe it. They’ve know systematically destroyed the derelict. The Space Jockey. The death of the alien. And spat in the face of Ripleys legacy. What a failure she turned out to be. On so many levels. People are eating this turd up though. ALIEN R.I.P

[@anthonybrett]

@@ADB696 "People are eating this turd up though." I would guess that many of the people that love this have never seen Alien, nor really care about the lore. Hey, I'm with you mate. I love Alien, and it's now just a shell of its former self. (I just pretend there are only two films and forget the rest) I have trouble though trying to think of a story line that any hardcore fan would actually like. I mean, do you just make another film about a ship landing on LV426 and finding another egg? I would really hate to try and make a sequel to Aliens because I have no idea how to advance the story without exploring the origins of the ship on LV426, which is exactly what Scott "tried" to do with Prometheus. I honestly think, any Alien sequel, will just be hated by the fanbase now.

[@agauerm]

The whole movie is a mish mash of repurposed scenes and dialogues from different Alien movies

[@chriscunningham8703]

But done worse!

[@BlueSkyBS]

Romulus isn't just a "greatest hits" album. It's an album of re-recorded songs that were the band's greatest hits, with the band members now so old that they're more concerned with a painful hip or their backs playing up because they slept the wrong way the previous night, rather than recapturing the magic of the original recordings.

[@markiangooley]

Now I want Alien: Uncle Remus, in which Uncle Remus vanquishes the aliens! Absolutely necessary to happen.

[@markm3416]

@@markiangooley "Mr face hug on my shoulder... there's a gag sensation....now it's just asphyxiation"...

[@Nobody-s2r]

And use the Zappa song Uncle Remus

[@specsgrad1]

RMB is soooo right. This movie had lots of potential, but the member berries etc. it turned me off big time. Where's the originality at?

[@rockinrichardsmoviereviews1901]

Any Movie or Director,who,has to use a DEEP-FAKED character in half the movie,instead of finding another way,is not worth a sack of beans.

[@idiotproofdalek]

People seem to think we all want to know more about Weyland Yutani and its really tedious.

[@Mr_Smith618]

Take Alan's film card away... Never Seen Aliens!?!?

[@RMartian76]

Seriously.

[@Tjhx1138]

Yup. Anyone only seeing the alien series now, shouldn’t be allowed to be a film critic. Like, what are basing your opinions on?

[@RMartian76]

@@Tjhx1138 I mean, a younger reviewer, fine, maybe you haven't had the chance to get there yet. But Alan I'm presuming is about my age and he 's spouting all sorts of opinions on pop culture movies but hasn't seen Aliens? And if I remember correctly he hasn't seen a few others. Like, WTF are doing as a critic? Research is part of the job!

[@Tjhx1138]

@@RMartian76 I fully agree. I’m not trying to hate on the guy. I love watching film threat. But I can’t keep watching someone if I feel like they haven’t done their homework. And if your homework is watching great movies, there’s no excuse.

[@phattjohnson]

@@RMartian76 I disagree. Even a younger reviewer should've found the time by now to watch the classics. They've had years already. Alan not wanting to watch 'horror' films though, fair enough. Hopefully he's watched it by now!

[@hiair]

The fact that people can't decide wheter ALIEN or ALIENS is the best one is a testimony of HOW GREAT MOVIES USED TO BE.

[@navylaks2]

Well Disney believes that since they bought the franchise they can pretty much chop it op and put it back together as they see fit

[@tjroelsma]

True, but I believe that's just part of the reason why they do it. Even Disney is learning that straying too far away from the originals means you lose the fans of the originals and that the so-called "new audience" doesn't exist. As Iger opened the gates to the activists when he needed their supoort to kick-start his political career, that totally failed because the activists immediately backstabbed him, they dug in deep and now Disney totally revolves around LGBT-whatever, The Message, Girlbosses, DEI and all the other acronyms/activist causes. And as they had the time to really dig in so deep, it's almost impossible to course-correct, because they will fight for their stance and positions all the way. This "dial back the woke/DEI/LGBT-whatever/etc a bit and sprinkle in ever more generous amounts of member berries" is like putting hot sauce on a sh** sandwich: it may mask the taste a bit, but it's still a sh** sandwich. But in my opinion there's also a third reason for it: in order to force people to accept the new, they have to destroy the old and beloved. And that is happening very actively: older movies and series are "sanitized" or "adjusted for modern audiences" and the originals are being destroyed so there won't be a going back. Personally I find that offensive, as the activists obviously want to control what I am allowed to watch, which is the first step in trying to control what I'm allowed to think (personal opinion).

[@phaeded0ut]

It felt like the characters for “Alien: Romulus” were story grouped/ scrapbooked. Act 1 was good, Act 2 was mediocre, Act 3 was bad, and Act 3.5 was terrible in my opinion. Too many ‘member berries per scene, and this movie never had a chance to stand on its own. Alien: Romulus had neither the soul nor heart of the previous movies. I enjoyed the sound, some of the space scenes and the changing dynamic between Rain and Andy. The other characters with the exception of “Navarro” just didn’t seem like they would have been capable of operating a toaster oven, let alone breaking into a secret research station. Science mistakes abounded throughout that movie as did the timing. I would rank them from most favorite to least as: Alien Director’s cut, Aliens Director’s cut, Alien^3 theatrical, AVP Director’s cut, AVP: Requiem Director’s cut, Alien: Resurrection Director’s cut, Prometheus Director’s cut, Alien: Covenant Director’s cut, and finally Alien: Romulus. The change from the Rottweiler to an Ox in Alien^3 in the Director’s cut just ripped me right out of the film for me. The thing to remember about the Alien franchise is that this is a Lovecraftian series of movies without being within the Cthulhu mythos. Yes, the Phillip K. Dickian opinions and mindset of corporate malfeasance is omnipresent within the franchise, too. The real shame is that Fox/Disney had access to lots of Marvel scripts, possibly Dark Horse scripts for film ideas…. Instead we got jangly keys and the worst aspects of the worst Alien film franchise spat out faster than the heavy industry could churn.

[@dr.impossibleofcounterpunc1984]

There is no longer the need for more Alien films. I was done with Alien in 1992. All Fox/Disney have done is destroy the franchise with the partnership of Ridley Scott. The Alien back story never needed any backstory, but obviously, this destroys the mystery of the Alien origin. Alien: Romulus was the final nail in the coffin.

[@guillermo9631]

Choosing between Alien and Aliens is all dependent on your sensibility. If your a horror fan you'll choose Alien; if your into action adventure you'll choose Aliens. Apples and oranges, folks!

[@stephenmac6926]

It's not that simple, I'm not a big horror fan but I choose Alien.

[@bulldogsbob]

Alien made the xeni into space roaches.

[@Mal_Freeman0451]

What if I said Aliens is a Survival Horror film, like the original, and not in the action genre...? It's over 2 hours long and has less than 20 minutes of what could be described as action scenes. Most of the "action" is marines getting killed by aliens, but because they have guns it gets labelled "action". Action scenes: Marines shooting aliens during the initial sweep and during the last stand, Ripley driving the APC, Ripley fighting the Queen. That's it. About 17 minutes or so of "action". Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 are all from the same tree. One type of fruit. Resurrection is the oranges to the original trilogy's apples.

[@jonathansoko1085]

I enjoy every alien movie that's come out and I refuse to be like you weirdos who say there's only 2. Grow up.

[@chriscunningham8703]

I adore both, but Alien is the better film

[@AlanAvis]

I would love for Hollywood to take a chance and give us an entire year of original movies. No sequels, no prequels, no remakes or reboots or adaptations. Just completely original films. That would be such an exciting time at the cinema. I know it'll never happen, but I man can dream.

[@MarkFuriniArt]

In Aliens the space marines were cocky and not prepared to fight a horde of xenomorphs and they didn't know how to fight them.

[@sulijoo]

Aliens is a perfect sequel, because unlike the moronic Romulus, it only has one call-back to Alien: the chest-burster scene when they find the colonists. And unlike Romulus it is justified narratively. It is completely original, which is what a sequel should be.

[@21stcenturyhiphop]

Actually, Aliens copies the plot of Alien completely, it just re-contextualizes the ideas of the original to fit into its own story. Cameron is very clever in how he does this, though, and reshapes the original Alien into a story of empowerment for Ripley.

[@jonathandavis-po6js]

Copying other alien movies , I expected, the creature design was terrible, I was so disappointed, all creatures were horrible, major let down

[@davids2977]

1) Alien 2) Aliens 3) Alien 3 directors cut. 4) Prometheus 5) Resurrection 6) Covenant 7) Romulus 8) AvP 9) AvP Requiem

[@phattjohnson]

I must need to go see the Director's Cut of Alien 3 because I don't remember enjoying it much at all.

[@will3710]

I agree with Nerd Cookies in that Romulus took away from the mystique of the Alien Xenos by going too much into the science (because Weyland-Yutani scientists discovered they see by heat and sound?).They can take a page out of X-Files, which in turn took its que from old murder mysteries by creating seemingly contradictory technical details about the creatures, ergo keeping the mystery. The Alien movies were never REALLY about the Aliens themselves, but about us, as humans. Alien and Aliens, arguably the best of the series, were more about humanity (one with us dealing with extreme isolation, and the other dealing with Vietnam). The Xenos were always a projection of our deepest fears (the rantings about Alien's psychosexualness is amplified by the phallic design and preying on male fears of penetration), so they should stick with that. Alien: Romulus isn't a bad movie, just bogged down with fan service. But one has to wonder, what does that say about us as a movie-going audience? The box office numbers were great!

[@thomaspayton-tb9oj]

THEY SHOULD HAVE ADAPED IT FROM THE DARK HORSE COMICS

[@dreal500]

How was alien Romulus any different from the force awakens?

[@phattjohnson]

Had some more gore?

[@leedobson]

AI spat this film out

[@phattjohnson]

It's so derivative and bereft of new direction or artistic risk I'd almost be inclined to agree..

[@EmilyFoxSeaton]

I have noticed that in addition to copying they don't try to do anything interesting. Like Cameron went further and had the analogy of Ripley being a mom and the queen being a mom. It just said something greater about humanity.

[@johnnygonzalez1344]

I agree with Rob's rant 100%. Don't steal an iconic line like that. Leave greatness alone and make up your own new lines. Cheap move.

[@LearnTrainPlay]

Chris Gore: I don't like this movie Also Chris Gore: Where's my popcorn bucket?! WAAAAAAHHHH!

[@funkyweezy8071]

I loved Alien Romulus. It is the third best in the series by far, sitting perfectly along Alien, Aliens, and even Prometheus. Alien fans are the worst. If they go in a new direction people complain. If they go back to the original material people complain. At least fans really appreciate this addition!

[@bulldogsbob]

It seems like most Alien fans like this movie.

[@deeamerson]

Most Alien fans enjoyed Romulus.

[@TheRealSwedishChef]

There are new directions to take the franchise, but they aren't as marketable; just take the comics/novels. The problem is they start to become far too weird or niche for a mainstream audience. Like, I would love to see an adaptation of Stronghold with Jeri the synthetic Xenomorph or Salvation with the religious horror angle but I've accepted that is just unlikely to happen.

[@mechaman7818]

@@TheRealSwedishChef They shoulda made that Xenozip story about the runner who runs right through a wall and turns himself into jell-O into a movie. They coulda released it right around the time of the Olympics. Missed opportunity.

[@Merchant1521]

@@mechaman7818 That is after The Earth War Storyline. That comic is a lot like Aliens but that would be fine. There are some really good characters in that comic.

[@remyw.4959]

You guys really need to read the licensed novels

[@arnodafe]

The deleted scenes magnificently enhance Prometheus and show why the scientists were so dumb with their interaction with the cobra worm, having already met smaller versions of them earlier. The deleted Weyland TED speech is incredible - plus the Shaw dissection/autopsy by David ....it should all be put back in 🔥

[@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat]

Ridley Scott deleted scenes are always too good to have been left out. For some reason he guts his movie from great material he perfectly shot just to appease arbitrary runtime. I'm sure the full version of Napoleon is like a whole different movie in terms of meeting satisfaction that the theatrical cut did not.

[@Bananaskin101]

imo the Weyland speech should have been the opening scene for Prometheus.

[@arnodafe]

@@Bananaskin101 yeah, pretty much

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

​@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat The issue with Ridley is he's not a director's director per say, he will go with whatever the studio wants.

[@993mike]

Rob is right in saying the most frustrating thing with Prometheus and Covenant were the supposedly highly trained and hand selected crew doing the stupidest things possible. When the Prometheus lands after all that time in space they decide to instantly run to the derelict ship without any thought of accessing the situation first and planning a careful mission protocol, I knew the film was in trouble. Same with the dopey crew of Covenant running around the world of the Engineers with basically gear from REI instead of fully protective suits to guard against and bio or chemical hazards. Even though I adore the first two movies, it’s such a shame the writing makes so many blunders in the following movies and stifles them from reaching the heights of the earlier films.

[@rockinrichardsmoviereviews1901]

It launched the careers of all the cast and director that were involved with the original.Including Jerry Goldsmith the Film Composer.Well,rather enhanced his career.But Tom Skerritt,John Hurt,Ian Holm,Yaphet Koto,Harry Dean Stanton,and so on...

[@moomin7461]

Yaphet Koto was the main villain in Live and Let Die (1973). John Hurt had starred in A man for all seasons (1966), 10 Rillington Place (1971) and Midnight Express (1978). Ian Holm was also in quite a few films before Alien.

[@jmullner76]

If they have to steal, just do it from the 90's graphic novels. That should be the true canon.

[@iBolski]

For me, Alien > Aliens. I saw both in the theaters and love them both. Both are tense, but Alien is more terrifying. The action in Aliens is great, but Aliens is more an action flick than a horror flick. As an action flick, Aliens > Alien. As a horror film, Alien > Aliens. But overall, the atmosphere, direction, and story of Alien for me makes it the better film, but not by much. Both are almost equal to me in how I love them, but Alien just is better for me because I enjoy the horror aspect of it more.

[@cd3532]

Good balanced post. I'm the opposite. Just watched both again. I think what puts Aliens over the top is that it's an action movie that perfectly makes you care about the characters. Hudson has an arc from coward to going down in a blaze of glory, even Gorman redeems himself. Minor characters are fun and have great lines like Apone and even Frost. The dynamics w/Ripley and Hicks should be the blue print for female action heroes. If you ask people their favorite, you get varied responses bc there's so many fun characters. Alien introduces one of the greatest concepts in film, but it really just then plays like any other slasher film for me.

[@anthonyml7]

Is this a real question? It's not a question of weather they "stole" from the originals, it's more so why did they do such a bad job at it? lol The movie as a whole is an amalgamation of the franchise as a whole. The movie starts off good then just gets progressively worse and worse, much like how the franchise started out with Alien, then Aliens, then just got worse and worse with the sequels. It's like we're seeing everything good and bad with the franchise all in one movie.

[@Sam_T2000]

what would you change about it?

[@anthonyml7]

@@Sam_T2000 For starters the cast, and change the premise so it's a little more plausible, for starters lol

[@moomin7461]

​@@Sam_T2000The cast, the script. Cut out all the hybrid alien stuff.

[@aaronmichael2619]

Prometheus isnt an Alien movie at all. The technology is so far advanced that it does the movie a disservice to itself

[@sci-fyguy7767]

Ridley Scott said that the technology was more advanced in Prometheus because they were richer. The expedition was privately funded by Weiland himself. In Alien the space truckers were using old tech & the company wasn’t gonna spend a bunch of money to keep up on the latest technology.

[@aaronmichael2619]

@@sci-fyguy7767 honestly, that would be like me hiring tribesmen from Africa to travel across the ocean in a cargo ship using a compass on a fish finder

[@phattjohnson]

@@aaronmichael2619 Anything to keep your immersion ruined I suppose :/

[@hiair]

The ALIEN franchise was never meant to be like "Friday The 13th", it was not dumb, it was not a "B" schlocky movie, LOWERING IT'S STANDARDS by allowing it to become that, IS THE PROBLEM. Becoming dumb is what killed it with the 4th installment, "Alien Resurrection" instead of "resurrecting it". AVP was the pinacle of dumbness, yet for some reason they keep upping the dumbness afterwards. Just like what happened with the Jurassic Park sequels.

[@battleaxe8252]

At this point in time if youre still looking at this franchise from a philosophical perspective you need to readjust your thought process. This franchise isnt that anymore, this is friday the 13th this Halloween and childs play now. Im sorry but thats what this franchise is🤷‍♂️

[@Warrior_warlock]

I never thought so, but I guess I'm a normie bc I thought Romulus was good. Shared third place with Alien 4. There is a, admittedly terrible, saying in Dutch that I think is applicable here. "It is better to steal something good than come up with something bad".

[@juanausensi499]

I think your Dutch saying is the key to understand why this movie is being so divissive. People who liked the movie agree with your saying, people who disliked the movie don't.

[@alejandropacheco7832]

This movie was fun and good enough but very far away from the original two... And regarding the _"stealing from original movies"_ it started as a homage, the went to nostalgia baiting to finish with straight up self plagiarism 😂😂😂

[@sergioarcaya7178]

For me Aliens is the better movie. But it also ruins the the horror of the original movie by making the alien less scary and less of a threat. In the original Alien the xenomorph was an intelligent unstoppable creature and in Aliens the xenomorph would run head first in to the remote machine guns and the marines.

[@ADB696]

Yes it’s a fun ride bud it reduces the aliens to nothing but dangerous machine gun fodder.The alien in the first film was an unstoppable force of nature.

[@davids2977]

Romulus is like a high priced Vegas escort. Looks good, fun for a while, but overly used and ultimately empty.

[@phattjohnson]

Except this couldn't even maintain a conversation and looked about 17.

[@dirkjewitt5037]

I haven't even seen Alien Romulus yet. I don't even know if I need to now. Two of my favorite directors have been humbled by trying to make a good Alien movie. Nothing beats the atmosphere of the first. The second was more of a combat movie, still enjoyable. The third could have been a good return, if they had just let Fincher do his magic. Same with Jeunet with the fourth. The problem is the studio and always has been. The fact that they didn't ruin the first two is a testament to both those directors' ability to put there foots down. The Alien franchise is dead.

[@phattjohnson]

There's some nice visuals.. but otherwise, the movie is entirely skippable. Absolutely nothing really noteworthy or memorable happens. It certainly doesn't innovate. But yeah, some nice practical effects, and some CGI that looks bloody good (the outside space station shots)

[@fullspectrumgeek5925]

Can't be stolen if the original director signed off on this and produced it.

[@JayPadrig]

Got it right in the beginning- further adventures sequels are best. I blame the Star Wars prequels directly for all these stupid endless prequels for everything. We don’t need to know how Han Solo got his name, his blaster, his ship, his friend Chewbacca, the nickname Chewie, everything we know about him all in one adventure

[@John-fk2ky]

Funny. We got a LOT of that in the Han Solo Trilogy in the EU and done quite well. The problem isn’t prequels (frankly there aren’t that many that I can even think of even though it’s a perfectly normal thing for novels), it’s what gets with them. Solo, the movie, was incredibly lazy in telling Han’s story. To actually do it justice would have required a miniseries.

[@Valkonnen]

Which "Original Alien Movies"? There was ONE Movie and everything else is a cash grab by other directors. What did "Aliens" have to do with the original? Xenomorphs are not drones with the clear dome removed and there is no "Queen" as Cameron designed that. Also , we ALL saw the original. The Space Jockey was a 30 foot alien fossil, not an engineer in a suit. That thing was huge and mysterious.

[@ADB696]

An ALIEN purist.And someone who actually knows his shit. We are a rare breed these days. Couldn't agree more with your comment. This franchise is a convoluted, dumbed down shit show. Touche' sir.

[@chewynewyork6388]

RMB is totally on point with his rant. Very well said. @Verbal Riot: Your opinion about the brothers Scott made me take a look at their body of work....I gotta admit, the argument can be made that Tony has the "heavier hitters" depending on what metric one is paying attention to.

[@WesternOutpostDonVonFilms]

You can ask the same thing about the Predators: are we just prey? In that fictional world, perhaps, but the humans always triumph in the end.

[@hendrsb33]

I could've watched this for another hour. Great discussion.

[@davids2977]

Spot on. The, “get away from her you bitch” made me hate Romulus because it’s totally a stollen line since it’s in a prequel. I didn’t mind “you have my sympathies” as much since you could claim that was a programmed response. But yeah, Romulus was a hack job of thieves.

[@TheNITRO68]

A rushed trip down memory lane with non fleshed out characters maybe Andy but as for the rest, I was cheering for The Xeno's all the way they were the best thing in this movie.

[@paulgiacomantonio9802]

I don't need to be scared, I don't need to have over the top action, I just want a story with characters and a story that I'm invested in. Alien was the better of the two films. By far.

[@akhil090579]

you guys do realise ridley scott was an active producer of this so he is allowed to 'steal' from his own work...and he wanted fede to make this...

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Scott did not write the original movies, so he does not have the right to just pilfer scenes from them. They have to compensate everyone credited with their creation. So the original writers could easily file a class action and get a piece of this. However since the movie needs to clear $400m Worldwide to break even ($80m budget + $120m advertising with WW losing half to taxes and cinema cost), I doubt this will be profitable. If not, the courts usually do not award enough to bother. The legal fees eat up any profit. That is why they usually just accept writing credit on the project.

[@dagonming1319]

A PRODUCER IS NOT THE "WRITER"... ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID?

[@akhil090579]

@@EnsignRedshirtRicky actually O'Bannon is dead but scott heavily modified the original script to create the end product, ripley was male to begin with and the story was far more similar to the thing from another world and planet of the vampires, O'Bannon made a Corman movie and introduced Scott to giger and scott realised the alien as page 3 of necromicon. Suchett is alive but helped with the story not the screenplay.

[@juanausensi499]

@@akhil090579 Ridley didn't change much about the plot. The ones who modified the original O'Bannon script were the pair of producers at Brandywine. They introduced things like the character of Ash the android.

[@drinkingwithcats6011]

@@EnsignRedshirtRickyyou have literally no idea what you’re talking about. Dan Obannon is dead, most of the script actually used was from Walter Hill and David Gilers, Hill produced most of the films in this franchise including Romulus. Also “pilfering scenes” ya that’s not gonna hold up in court.

[@baileytate3938]

I will say I really liked Alien Romulus mainly because of the relationship of Andy and Rain. You can absolutely tell that Ridley Scott and the studio went through a Costco amount of Post-It notes, which is unfortunate.

[@ImmortalRimas]

I get the feeling that Fede Alvarez might have had a vision for this film but Ridley Scott & the Studio Executives may have ruined it by putting their fingerprints all over it ruining 2/3’s of it

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Scott clearly made the second half with all the crap trying to tie it into his garbage prequels. I doubt the first few drafts of the script had anything to do with that.

[@drinkingwithcats6011]

I’ve heard this repeated a couple times I really don’t get it. To me the ending here is 100% Fede Álvarez doing his thing. If anything I felt like they held him back from going wilder/more graphic.

[@Max-il5hx]

Hollywood is in a straight plagiarism phase. But... i'll watch it at some point just to check out those sweet visuals (the ship falling into planetary rings is stunning) and it's a personal addiction to watch these silly sequels since pt2. It does feel like someone should get sued tho 😂

[@bassman8144]

The space jockey still has me wondering 30+ years after viewing.

[@Graterstuuf]

It’s gone full circle as the original Alien movie was ripped straight from the film Bilndpassasjer

[@sulijoo]

The only reason those stupid AvP films exist is because of that one scene in Predator 2. What's more interesting, is that in that same scene, the Predator throws him an old antique flintlock pistol, which is a direct reference to the comics. Even back then they were aware of the lore; they could have explored that further. But instead we get endless god-awful AvP movies.

[@moomin7461]

@@sulijoo Endless? There were only two!

[@561jeffkelly]

Excellent Vlog. I seen the movie Saturday and you can see the moment Ridley Scott said “ this is the moment we put my prequels references in”. There is an interview on the Red Carpet and Ridley Scott is talking about the Director and the Movie and you can see he had a bloody lot of influence in this movie. I think that’s why Neill Blomkamp backed off his movie cause Ridley Scott was hovering all over it, just watch the Blomkamp/Joe Rogan interview he more or less says it. Keep up the Great work p.s How can Alan even get a vote when he has never seen Aliens 🤣🤣

[@MiloDC]

Bunch of people lamenting the state of _Alien_ as a franchise, then going on about how _Aliens_ , which irrevocably turned the creature into action movie cannon fodder and traded in the weirdness and mystique of the alien life cycle for a video game boss monster and a totally familiar insectoid social system, is their favorite movie. These tools are a part of the problem. At least Chris has a clue.

[@Grimtheorist]

Aliens ftw

[@PerfectoKiss]

This movie is a dump. It is time to stop making “Alien” movies.

[@paranoyd70]

Yes there was...but it has to be noted that Ridley Scott (who had control over all previous Alien movies) had the final say in Romulus content and it was stated that if he didn't like the script that he would deny the project. So how much of all this re-used stuff was Ridley Scott's idea?

[@fishjones4618]

Alien stole from IT: The Terror From Beyond Space. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ADB696]

And Mario Bavas 1960's film Planet of the Vampires. Its basically those two movies mashed together with a little bit of original idea thrown in for good measure.

[@21stcenturyhiphop]

​@@ADB696Prometheus is literally the plot of Planet Of The Vampires.

[@dejanrancic7409]

While I absolutely agree with Robert Meyer Burnett, the thing is that Ridley Scott, as the creator of the franchise, probably had to accept that one James Cameron effectively made the franchise his with Aliens, as that is the film all the most memorable quotes and scenes of the entire franchise come from. So if Scott had a chance to stick it up to Cameron in Romulus (conveniently set before Aliens) by co-opting some of those lines, I can imagine him doing so, just to say "this is my franchise!". Assuming this was the thinking, petty and childish, though I don't think Scott cares at this point. Trying to take it in a completely new direction with Prometheus and Covenant obviously didn't work.

[@henrymach]

I think both Alien and Aliens are terrific movies. I also think that both Alien and Aliens ruined space movies forever because everyone decided to copy them

[@moomin7461]

Same could be said about Star Wars.

[@Newichi]

I still feel the fall of Prosperity Wells comic story arch with Machiko Noguchi, which inspired AvP, is a great story to adapt as a series.

[@fishjones4618]

She’s right. All the best horror movies are a one and done affair. Two if they’re extremely lucky. The laws of diminishing returns kick in around movie three. Oculus, the movie about the mirror that screws with people’s sense of reality, time, and memory, is an underrated gem. I don’t want a follow-up. They’ll either try to over explain how and why the mirror does what it does, or introduces a bigger, badder mirror! OooooOooooo! Let a mystery be a mystery.

[@aurorauplinks]

Wow, RMB... You just gave me an idea for the Perfect Disney sequel to a alien film. Thank you.

[@shrimboi8909]

They keep making movies that appealed to the "Modern Audience" that do not exist.

[@figarofruitjuice7052]

Honestly , Alien is another franchise that is dead to me. Added to the ranks of predator, terminator, Halloween, transformers, star wars, etc. Too many terrible sequels.

[@tyizzle80]

They really messed up having such a young cast. I really didnt want to see a teenager movie. It felt as if the show felt that if they made the cast young they can get a pass for all the Dumb ish they were gonna do throughout the film.

[@SterileNeutrino]

APOLLO has the situation in hand. Your application will be processed shortly.

[@waterworka1]

I feel like they complaining just to complain. All there points make me want to say, "dude, huh, who cares?" Are these people in the industry?

[@mat.b.]

Alien 2 stole the core from Alien 1 note for note

[@pukey82]

Wow. On point!

[@nelsonhu3926]

Would love to see an Alien movie directed by Neil Blomkamp

[@afrywijoyo]

@@nelsonhu3926 With Sigourney Weaver to lead once again.

[@nelsonhu3926]

@afrywijoyo Totally agree!! But I know it's not gonna happen unless it's another actress who looks very closely like her and can act her mannerisms due to Ripleys age in the Universe. The question is. Who would you nominate an actress to be the next Ripley? No DEI insolvent please. I'm Asian and enjoy the lore and history of the franchise. Have watched all Alien(s) movies besides Romulus yet

[@rockinrichardsmoviereviews1901]

Nope.James Cameron was never going to do another ALIEN Film.Wrong.

[@rickandbonnie4689]

I liked Romulus in 4DX. It wasn't too gory. It was fun. I liked Prometheus. I hated Elizabeth Shaw being butchered in the next one. She was a Christian carrying her cross then she died in the next one.

[@lJ0blixen]

Up until this new one, I only thought there was only ever 2 Alien (s) I always thought Prometheus was indeed a Greek tale movie, by the name itself, I would have never thought of it being an aliens movie

[@santosd6065]

What does it mean for our existence and the place we hold in the universe if God not only created us but also created sharks? Makes you wonder doesn’t it?

[@RemnTheteth]

Too much thinking, not enough enjoying. Romulus, which I haven't seen yet, has been praised by critics and audiences. This notion of mystery being a main component can only be said about the first two films, with the rest of them simply building out the universe. I can't say that I mind that at all, and this video seems like it's searching for something to dislike, versus actually knowing that it dislikes any of it. Prometheus took two watch-throughs for me to really enjoy it, as it introduces a lot of information in a non-linear way - and I actually think is underrated. You can't have mystery in the 8th film in a franchise - it's simply not going to hit the same way - so they have to do something that harks back to the originals in terms of tone and plot - and apparently they did a decent job with it. You can't "steal" ideas from a franchise you're actively building in and from. This is a modern Alien film meant to be entertaining, and that seems to be an issue for people. It seems to me the expectations are way off, here. Maybe I'll change my mind once I see it - but to me this just seems like searching for something to complain about, when critics and fans are rating it over 80%, for what is essentially a horror film, and advertised as one. Not everything has to be deep or ruminated on - simply enjoyed.

[@waterworka1]

I love Prometheus and Covenant, i re watch them both regularly, the production is so emersive...

[@allencampbell3866]

I actually loved the movie just for the fun aspect of it. I needed a two hour mind break from life and this movie for scratched that itch.

[@brianonley]

So from this discussion we can expect to see Alien vs Jason? Alien vs Freddie Krueger? Alien vs Sharknado? LOL Personally, I think Alien vs Kamala might have a go. Cheers guys, good talk. :)

[@moomin7461]

There was an Alien Vs Batman comic I 'm seem to recall.

[@slim420-e8v]

Looks like they took parts from the game Dead Space. The mutant baby even looks like one of the creatures from the game.

[@jeromeisaacs4428]

In Gladiator 2 Pedro Pascals character shouts in the Arena I am not entertained 🤣

[@adamwellman7865]

whining that it has a recycled line in a movie from the same franchise is ridiculous.

[@WesternOutpostDonVonFilms]

Well, humans defeat the Xenomorphs in the end of all these movies, so perhaps they exist so that we can defeat evil. It's all fiction though...

[@nathanielsheft1957]

My question is this...Do new film makers of this franchise have a right to create and add new lore when making new movies for the public?

[@tm5123]

Well, if Disney bought all the rights to the franchise, pretty sure if they make a movie ,then can pretty much do waht they want.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Legally and morally yes. When they do it this poorly and screw the franchise (W-Y was getting updates from Rook, so claiming they do not have the ability to make face huggers without an egg is laughable), or that cocooned humans turn into eggs (which means the Engineers needs a lot of humans to make all the original eggs), then it can also kill that franchise. This is why retconning needs to be treated as time travel in any story. If you are going to change something (auto-aim guns with an insane ammo count that auto-targets the head) then you MUST have a plausible means to explain why it is not in subsequent stories (Aliens). Failing to do that, mean that casuals that have never seen the originals may like it, but only until they see how poorly this retcon was carried out. That is how franchises die.

[@tm5123]

@@EnsignRedshirtRicky So you actually want a ton of exposition, to explain some small difference in technology? For my part, I don't really care that much. Its a Wayland-Yutani research station, perhaps they have some better guns, than the expendable grunts they send to clean up things. They even tied it into the universe as a different model to the standard pulse rifle, and the same auto target tech is already on the smartguns in Aliens, so wheres the massive issue with a compact form in perhaps a really expensive version of the same gun. I do think alien has a bit of an identity crisis with the whole alien vs black goo thing, I don't think it helps with the story. But Ridley has permanently alterd the course of the story with Prometheus and Covenant, and I don't really mind the way Romulus went with it. How many movie creators, who have flopped a movie, have been sued for negligence of failing to follow up on past lore? I think if it was possible to sue for this, nobody would ever make a sequel lol.

[@dreal500]

James Cameron was a new filmmaker once and he made it his own, so yes. People that write for a TV series do it all the time

[@24framedavinci39]

I wonder how deep these guys would want to look into HR Giger's art if they knew when, where, and how he came up with xenomorphs.

[@AliceBowie]

He talks about it at length in the "Giger's Alien" book. It's full of the art he made for the movie, lots of photos, and his journals from the time. There's even a lot on when he was working on the unproduced Dune movie with Jodorowsky. He won the academy award for his work on Alien.

[@24framedavinci39]

@AliceBowie In an interview on a German talk show, he said exactly when he first got the vision of the xenomorphs. I definitely can't even elude to the event on YT, but rest assured, it's a doozie and well worth searching for.

[@MarkFuriniArt]

Gigers Aliens were demons or something very close to demons.

[@zoso73]

I think Ridley got it right with Prometheus (flaws and all), but he fell of the story-telling rails with Covenant. Romulus is an OK film. But it's a one-and-done.

[@moomin7461]

It should've been a direct prequel to Alien. That was the original intention, but he decided to change it and now we are no closing to understanding why the derelict crashed on LV-426.

[@zoso73]

@moomin7461 watch Kroft Talks About Movies, he has a great video essay that he did about 10 months ago about the scrapped Covenant script. The studio definitely interfered. They wanted xenomorphs wreaking havoc.

[@pdzombie1906]

1. The problem with Ridley Scott is not him stealing from Cameron, but the fact he stole from himself in Prometheus by replicating the scene of the android asking for more life from his creator in Blade Runner... I've seen hours of videos on these movies and nobody touches or seems to have a problem with this!!! 2. Alien is the better movie because there's no perfect cut of Aliens: the theatrical cut leaves the scene of Ripley finding out her daughter is dead which establishes the maternity themes and needs for the character; and the director's cut is too long with unnecesary scenes with slow down the pace of the film. 3. Alien Romulus is The Force Awakens of the Alien Franchise, is a pleasent movie because it hit all the nostalgic points right (except for that horrble deepfake). Rob is right, they could mmjave made so much more with the human xenomorph, but ideology plays too much on Hollywood projects now... 4. And the worst part is only MatPat before quitting is the only one whi has pointed out Hollywood's new brainwashing trend to makes love AI. Remember the last two movies with David, the android from hell. In Romulus we got Andy, the android who's rescued by the human Rain as if it truly was her brother. That's Hollywood tenet now: Male is evil, embrace AI and consume product".

[@BloodyInitiate]

James Cameron > Ridley Scott

[@controversialverbal3792]

Alien is the better film, Aliens is the better experience.

[@intuitiveimprints]

Well said!

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Definitely

[@edwardjohnson6744]

What if the Space Jockeys are just working stiffs like Ripley. Transporting their cargo for Shlarplop - Floflaggshishhh the most powerful corporation in their galaxy?

[@TimMurphy41]

Who's the guy on the bottom left?

[@ps5andstuffhere]

Is this the dumbest video on KZbin? The director literally said he put some similar scenes in the film to other films in the franchise