Final Chase is NOT Based

I wish I could say all of the speed stages in Sonic Adventure 2 were based, but NOT FINAL CHASE
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[@zoomzike]

"Based on what?"

[@Cliffordlonghead]

Ji K

[@Cliffordlonghead]

First

[@Cliffordlonghead]

Awesome video

[@egg_activist6250]

Based on what?

[@Cliffordlonghead]

K

[@RNS_Aurelius]

Fun fact: Final Chase has a 1 up box even in multiplayer. I think it's the only stage that does.

[@Zinerry]

Final Rush also has one.

[@CrystalGreymon]

Where?

[@Zinerry]

@@CrystalGreymon I know Final Rush has one in the area with the big walls on both sides, the area right before the lost chao of that stage. It's right below the start of that area.

[@Yoshi6851]

If they replaced it with stationary tubes the level would need a drastic redesign I think. They designed the level with the rotation in mind, the gate section wouldn’t even be worth including if not for this. I always felt the intent of this mechanic is to just move forward and back not side to side at all and just focus on timing your movement. I suspect many of these sections if timed properly you can just rush forward through avoiding all gates and asteroids without slowing down.

[@DARamosYT]

I haven't played it myself. But it looks like a mechanical call back to the spinning tube gimmick found in Sonic 3 in Carnival Night. I can agree that it is not visually intuitive for SA 2 to have an invisible force spin you around a tube that appears stationary.

[@michaelmann7816]

@@DARamosYT I got more of a feeling of (I think) Flying Battery from S&K, with the spinning cylinders and the occasional need for timing, just on the outside, rather than the inside.

[@master106]

That's what I do when I play the level.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

For me the biggest problem with the tubes isn't the spinning but the weird clunky geometry, if the tubes were smooth objects I think i it'd be more reasonable.

[@ettoresalvatore9437]

Yeah, that's how I usually play this stage, just rush through the drums. It takes a few attempts to understand the timings, but I still got that muscle memory from playing this game as a kid. Also, I'm pretty sure you can slightly speed up or slow down the rotation by running diagonally.

[@thajocoth]

If you embrace the rotation the tubes provide, things feel right to me and they just tend to line up.

[@DryFieri]

Yeah I’m not great at this game, but I’ve never had any problem with these. I just hold up on the joystick and go fast, and the level goes pretty smoothly

[@VTWS]

Yeah I just ran fast and thus got out of them fast. I treat them like auto-scrollers, no different from tubes in Crazy Gadget or in old Sonic games. Not sure if it’s worse on PC.

[@jackhumphries1087]

Yeah, they work much better if you just hold forward and let the game take the wheel.

[@awsmrs]

Love how ZoomZike always ends these videos with him finishing the level in the same amount of time as the length of the video. Gotta love the attention to detail there.

[@LifenKnight]

God I never noticed wow

[@franconunez925]

WAIT! So basically I've been gollowing this series since the sonic forces level analisis, and I haven't noticied this detail in all this time!? Holy crap dude, this guy is even better than I already think he was.

[@11shoopdawhoop]

Holy shit, I never noticed. That's awesome!

[@MasterMemo]

Oh that's awesome!

[@Starpotion]

Good eye, that's absolutely nutty lol

[@drybowserman9091]

The thing about Final Chase for me was that it wasn't about freedom of movement, but going with the flow. Not an autorunning level like some of the current games but that if your timing is right and you don't mess up, the spinning drums perfectly moves you that allows you to blast through everything. You can go REALLY fast through this level once you get the timing right and combined with the music, this level feels unforgettable to me.

[@yoshihammerbro435]

Just like Shadow himself, he isn't about freedom, he is about fulfilling the demands of people, he just goes along with it whether it be destruction of the world or saving it...

[@tanukismokingweed]

Except the parts where Shadow just decides to not magnetize towards the tube or you get clipped by an Artificial Chaos. But yeah let's pretend the devs on a rushed product perfectly considered the player's actions throughout the level down to every minute detail.

[@Sealedaway]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@tanukismokingweed”Let’s read a fuckton more praise of the developers into the original comment than there really is because I’m mad that a blue guy bodied me”

[@usurperzo]

@@Sealedawaybro thinks the enemies should never be allowed to touch him

[@HebiSnake]

​@@usurperzo On hard mode the artificial chaos definitely do some cheapshots where, because the camera is being shitty and the gravity on the tubes is janky, is pretty unfair to react to, especially when the enemy itself is off screen.

[@pufferfishman4203]

I thought this stage was aight. music is fire, the funny drums didn’t give me too much trouble, and it was fun to blitz through (and die multiple times) this stage, and then beat the crap out of sonic in the best rival battle in the game

[@PhirePhlame]

The difference is that Chase's opening has a long rail section at the beginning. I guess they thought it was non-interactive enough to be a potential pace-breaker if you need to retry, especially multiple times.

[@CaptBlock]

The transition from Green Forest to Metal Harbor at 0:32 was perfect, it had me confused for a second.

[@DrEcho]

It's so fucking good. First thing I did was comment and second came down to see who else said anything

[@TheMockingjay74]

I was going to say that

[@HeroHashim]

I think the devs forgot to delete the hidden rail because that section from 8:10 to 11:30 was reused in Final Rush which would explain why there was no reward for finding it, but I don’t know if this was in Final Rush.

[@emerl298]

I figured the main gimmick of the level would be the reason that ultimately holds it back(though the “hidden” rail is an interesting surprise. Nice find ZZ), but I still have fun with this level when replaying it and the stage music is one of the best in the game, which is an honor with how many absolute legendary bangers there are in SA2.

[@webbowser8834]

The hidden rail is almost certainly "cut content" that the devs didn't have time to actually remove. There's a lot of examples of this if you look carefully enough (stuff like "unreachable" rings, random platforms, etc)

[@liahknight56]

While I can understand the criticisms of final chase, I've actually learned to appreciate the gravity tubes and what they add to the level. A lot of them can be skipped entirely or mitigated through smart spin dash jumps, and just holding up will spin you around a lot more consistently than with the jank feeling of trying to navigate it normally. The rotation of the tubes usually puts you in perfect range with what you want to hit (such as the handle, or an easy homing attack into the springs) later on with the laser barriers, I actually never see these, as the route I like to take avoids it, I think this is supposed to be the "fail path" that a lot of sonic games have in their design, with the lowest route being the slowest to traverse to punish in a softer way than death. Maybe final chase isn't the best level in the game, but personally I think learning to optimize and beat the level quickly to be quite rewarding, a lot more than say... Pyramid cave, or crazy gadget. However, missing the rail in the final rush/chase hole is actually a crime against humanity, I can't count the amount of pain that has brought me.

[@LunarPurin]

By learning to appreciate you mean malded so hard you stopped malding, I'm with you. I like Final Chase, and I'm used to the gravity and can exploit it a bit, but it's still janky and inconsistent and DEFINITELY probably the low point for a lot of people in the game who might be less experienced with videogames. I kinda wish it was less of a roadblock for first time players and kids, and it was a bit more polished but I guess through slamming my head against a brick wall enough times, I grew accustomed to the jank ^^;

[@Namingway248]

@@LunarPurin Adventure 2 was (I think) my first sonic game and final chase was not what I'd personally consider the biggest roadblock. Whether or not its well designed or "fun", the tubes are generally not going to lead to your death and you can force a way forward. Crazy Gadget was significantly worse for me, as a first time player won't be able to know what their goal is in terms of certain gravity switch puzzles and the entire end of the level, which is designed in such a way you can be baited into killing yourself by attempting to maneuver to areas the game didn't want you to go to without clearly letting the player know that wasn't where they were supposed to go.

[@LunarPurin]

@@Namingway248 Okay, Crazy Gadget was awful. I remember buying an action replay cos I couldn't beat it :c

[@JoshuaEisenbart]

Those holes should've been automated, just to ensure that Sonic and Shadow hit the rails. I recently got SA2 on Steam, and it was actually my first time playing many of the levels I never reached as a kid. I'm stuck on the Biolizard fight, but Sky Rail was by far the most frustrating part, partially because it was so hard landing on the rails with a keyboard, but mostly because of this one enemy that could only be killed by pushing it off a cliff with a somersault. Unfortunately, I kept somersaulting off the cliff with it until I learned to ignore it and just go on with the level.

[@tanukismokingweed]

Getting used to bad game design doesn't fix the bad game design.

[@yiaftokal5932]

5:16 When I reached this part I was like: "hmm, I wonder if he'll mention the upper path". When you seemingly skipped it I was slightly bummed out only to be surprised bu the post-edit note which shortly shows the path. Emotional rollercoaster.

[@EheroJudai20]

I always take that path

[@leowindthehedgehog]

Funny how the rings pointed to a harder path as Shadow, but help you in everything as Sonic, really shows their perspectives about their trusting in others

[@AFriendRemembers]

I always liked the drums. Never took me more than a minute to adjust to the momentum of spinning around them. Just dont fight against them and use the rotation to send you where you need to go

[@msgameandcake628]

I feel like with the Mystic Light section, it is designed as an introduction to the ability. I'm pretty sure that Shadow's Mystic Light is the only one you can obtain on a first playthrough of each level, and as the last level of the Dark Story, the Main Story that seems like it was designed to be played second, it would make Final Chase the last standard level in the game. With this in mind, this easy Mystic Light, and the very obvious teleportation example it provides, is meant to give the player a good idea of what the ability does before they start replaying the rest of the stages and finding the ability with other characters.

[@ButtonMasherReal]

Sonic can get his Mystic Melody on the first playthrough of Final Rush as well.

[@Brancliff]

Not like you ZoomZike, you're based :)

[@ultraplayer4594]

basement

[@Hypernukeleosis_]

One of the things you didn't mention on how awful those gravity tubes are, is that if you get hit while on them, you lose all your rings with almost no way of getting them back. They just bounce off and fall into the void, meaning if you get hit even once while on one, it becomes extremely easy to get hit again and die. It's way to punishing, even for a final level.

[@BulldogPCs]

I feel like the hidden rail is either a cut Mystic Melody path or it's a leftover from Final Rush, as that general area is used in both Final levels (and it's also the area you go through on the last of Cosmic Wall's automated sections, right before reaching the drill). I'd check it myself but I don't have anything hooked up that can play SA2 at the moment.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

About the empty platform with the grind rail that has no reason to exist, someone did a hard mode mod to make the last missions even harder, and they put the Golden Beetle up there.

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

See, I love the aesthetic and energy of these SA levels. The challenge of reacting and maneuvering Boost Sonic is fun, but I don’t blame fans for missing THIS type of level design and control. I wanna spindash jump across the hill tops!

[@jamiegioca9448]

How 'bout both? Just imagine how sick a boosting spin dash would be

[@mr.looper7935]

8:50 This is likely an asset left over by sonics Final Rush stage. This section is nearly identical to a section within Final Rush given the particular L shape. The familiarity of which would make sense as it would feel as if you are trying to chase down Sonic, going through areas he just recently traversed. Development wise, Sonic Adventure is pretty keen on reusing assets between stages. Sky rail borrows stuff from pumpkin hill, death chamber, and egg quarters are basically the same level and countless of reused assets from the kart and city levels. So it wouldn't surprise me if they cut on development time by reusing sonics part of the stage.

[@Myhrrylyth]

Maybe the "Mystery Platform" was the original destination of the mystic melody portal? They were probably worried that it cut out too much of the level and changed it to the current destination, neglecting to delete the platform and rail as their intended audience probably wouldn't notice it or be able to access it.

[@arjunmenon1796]

This is actually one of my favourite levels, the gravity drums are actually really fun. Especially when you learn how to use them. Aside from that the level design is also pretty fun, the lost chao is hidden in a pretty funny spot, actually took me a while to find it.

[@Nightmare_52]

Binal Base I actually like final chase, lots of opportunities to spin dash jump across wide gaps to progress faster and feel really cool about yourself Especially the final tube you can just fall down onto the goal ring instead

[@sunlitsonata6853]

The last spiral is absolute hell to manage on Hard Mode

[@Nightmare_52]

Nah just avoid it by jumping off toward the goal ring

[@ajhintleman215]

Same, same. I can definitely see how it can be annoying, though.

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

Bogos binted?

[@Nightmare_52]

yeah it definitely was more annoying than intended but once you learn to exploit them its quite fun

[@lazyhammerwieldingpenguin2247]

The virgin "barrel of doom" vs the Chad "spinning drum"

[@sirknight69]

Genuine question- would you ever consider covering the Treasure Hunting stages? All this talk about meteors has me thinking about how much i struggled the first dozen times i played through Meteor Herd and Mad Space also funny story- the first time I played Meteor Herd as omochao was telling me to watch out for the meteors he got interrupted by getting struck by one lmfao

[@dankayur2910]

Mad Space can die in a fire.

[@KOTEBANAROT]

Mad space is pretty punishing if you dont know the routes but meteor herd is no harder than pumpkin hill its so easy to traverse

[@sirknight69]

@@KOTEBANAROT like i said it was the first dozen or so times that gave me SO much trouble. The hints felt like no help and the level feels twice as big as Pumpkin Hill and not nearly as smooth to traverse. It used to take me upwards of 30 minutes to get through when i was a kid. ive obviously gotten better at them since my naiive middleschool days with my dreamcast. aside from being more familiar with the layout i now have the steam version and the help of my handy dandy SA1 Radar mod that readjusts the radar so all 3 slots are active.

[@croc6105]

Personally, I really like this stage for the many opportunities you have to get through situations and spindash jumps and I think the flow of the level is much better once you get to interact with the mechanic instead of avoiding it which is a problem I see people have with sonic games in general (S3&K specially). I don't really mind the drums spinning on their own, there would be no point if they weren't spinning honestly, I'm guessing they tried to recreate those ones from s3&k into 3D, my problem with them is that you can't perform spindashes on them, and I think the game would allow for a lot of speedrun strategies and ways to get through situations if you had more control over them, that would make the level better for me. Anyways, since you mentioned Final Rush, are you planning on making a video about it? It's my favorite level in the entire series because of the million of ways you can manipulate the level design at your own benefit using momentum physics, it's what I consider peak sonic level design. And btw, do you have plans on making videos about the other gameplay styles? I would really like to hear your thoughts about levels like pumpkin hill, hidden base, etc

[@582time]

a part of me wonder if the grind rails show at 8:53 was the original place the mystic melody was supposed to send you. But then there another problem with the grind rail or the camera not working right. So they decided just to move the portal somewhere else and forgot to change that area of the level.

[@OscarSanchez-vo9dx]

I think the first portal was just where you originally get the item so it wasn't meant to really send you anywhere, you go up and grab it then it puts you right back on the path, the second is for the secret path for the Chao mission

[@wanderlustwarrior]

0:33 the cut between Green Forest and Metal Harbor was a thing of beauty. Great editing!

[@SonicSorey]

Played this game for nearly 20 years over and over and never knew about that rail... showing it actually made my heart jump! Nice find

[@Kosmicd12]

Maybe they had issues with the controls and what direction moves you where, and that's why they did the spinning? And those ones that don't spin they left in because you can only be on 1 side? Idk, but even outside of that they're super jank when walking over the little gaps between them, or the tops like you showed. Definitely not polished enough

[@OscarSanchez-vo9dx]

Maybe if they had 6 months or another year this stage wouldn't have even existed tbh, it feels like it was slapped together probably because it was slapped together at the very last minute, remember shadow wasn't meant to be playable at first

[@SomeGuy712x]

I remember one time I was jumping around the horizontal spinning tubes later on in the level, and one of my badly-aimed jumps nearly "returned me to the planet", so to speak, but I managed to get myself back within a tube's gravitational pull. However, Shadow yelled as if I did actually fall, and went into his "burning-up" animation, even though I was running around the tube and still in full control. And then the screen faded to black, and I was returned to the previous checkpoint, minus one life. I must've just barely touched a poorly-placed death plane there, and yeah, I wasn't happy with that unfair death.

[@Meilybloomy]

I wonder if there is a mod that replaces the spinning drums with the stationary ones, I'd like to see how it plays.

[@no.402]

I bet someone will work on it after seeing this video

[@danielschott4639]

To compensate, those electric gates should spin. Replace some meteors with artificial chaos gaurding the drums to attack Shadow and you have I urgency again.

[@colin3216]

I have a feeling this stage was thrown in at the end half of development to give shadow a final level equivalent of final rush because of the janky mechanics of this level, considering only sonic, knuckles, and eggman were supposed to be playable at the beginning of development, and especially in contrast with final rushes mechanics being very well polished, even if they were the same rails that were used for a lot of the game, they probably just had to CHASE this one out the door.... I'll see myself out. They already had to give shadow a sonic stage so he'd have more stages (sky rail to be specific) so it wouldn't surprise me.

[@kanrakucheese]

Knuckles being intended from the start is weird because he does pretty much nothing in the story. He could have been cut with little effort.

[@DylanVA]

Final Rush being polished? Not for me! I would loose speed on the loopdy loop grinds EVERY TIME, no matter how much speed I gained. It was clearly bugged, whereas I had no trouble with Final Chase.

[@colin3216]

@@DylanVA Critical question, did you try holding b on the grind rails? Asking to get more context.

[@DylanVA]

I held forward on the stick, I didn't brake or press anything else

[@colin3216]

@@DylanVA You're supposed to hold b to go down the rails faster, that's how you get past some of the segments.

[@sunlitsonata6853]

The design of this stage makes it somewhat annoying to spin dash jump off the top of the drums, and that last spiral before the end is absolute hell to manage on Hard Mode with all the meteors and sending your rings off into the ether with a single hit.

[@genemelendez8157]

With the way the gravity drums work and the mystery platform and rail, this level feels like a first draft of a cool anti gravity level

[@joelbond7440]

I actually like this stage. The pathways are fun, the tubes can be fun when you’re used to them and the song is one of my favourites in the game.

[@pikminman13]

"so, fine, let's travel to the rail and see what's up. you'll find that it's clearly not us..." a line so dumb yet so funny

[@derekw8039]

1:45 "Spinning drums." *flashbacks to Carnival Night Zone*

[@lowkingdrew]

Sonic fans and drum based game mechanics are the definition of over thinking. Great video either way

[@SleevesAnarchyy]

My biggest problem about the drums isn't even about them spinning you and "fighting you", I accept that as a platforming challenge, but the classic jank that you discussed (like how you were "tripping" on the top of them) can ruin my jumps and end up with me falling into the void and forcing me to restart the level so I can A rank it. (I'm currently trying to A rank all characters. Already finished Sonic's stages, and I'm on the 5th mission on this level for Shadow)

[@Xerophlume]

The spinning drums are meant to be a callback to those round balls in Sonic 3 special stages that would draw you in and spin you around and you had to time your jump off of them. Surprised nobody's mentioned this.

[@ThisisTheUltimate]

Just like I see Crazy Gadget's gravitational changes as a 3D form of the Death Egg Zone mechanic from Sonic 3 & Knuckles, keeping the camera upside up even when the player is upside down, I see the same thing with the spinning tubes here in Final Chase, a 3D form of the spinning cylinders in Launch Base Zone, so I understand the constant spinning instead or being able to control where you are on the cylinder by moving left or right, and I think I like this way, it also works better with the mechanics added on the tube by the level I think, but it would be cool if you could move left or right instead of automatic spinning, or even both spin and being able to move left or right, or/and if there were more stationary tubes ALONG with the spinning tubes

[@Dylan-ty1bo]

I know it's one day late, but happy birthday ZoomZike! Hope it was a good one. Keep that top-tier gaming/Mario Party content coming!

[@CaptBlock]

This makes me wish there was a mod called something like "Final Based" that make it where the tubes don't spin, it would be awesome.

[@nightlydata2181]

Final Chase is prob the most fun level in all of SA2 for me cus of the unique grav mechanics. I think the problem u have IS the fact that u're fightin it. This is an issue I see ppl have ALL the time in games cus they frustratingly want things to go EXACTLY how they want 100% (i.e. have full control all the time) but the way I say to treat it is like a river(or jus water in general lol). DON'T FIGHT IT, just let it do ITS thing & flow along with it & u'll get where u want to be. U can't have full control of everythin in life or in games lol

[@freeziboi3249]

Yeah I've literally never had a problem with these, then again I've not played this level nearly as much as all the others

[@cris3760]

I don't think you saved much time by thinking all this abbreviations

[@Diwasho]

6:50 I read that "wait what" part in Shadow's voice because it's typeset like a subtitle in the game, same font and all. Those who never played the game might assume that's what he really says there, lol.

[@BitSmallX3]

Skill Issue.

[@Ninetails2000]

11:31-That's one of the warmest line deliveries I think Humphrey has ever done as Shadow. You can hear how fond of the Ark he is, like he's back in his old neighborhood where everybody still lives.

[@raidenmei9064]

If I had to guess I'd probably say this is one of the last levels that was made during development, with playable shadow likely being a late addition, and this being the last stage in his story, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason so much stuff with this stage is weird is because it could have been made toward the end of development and sonic team might have been running out of time.

[@vgamer4993]

My theory about the out of place platform and grind rail is that it was originally where they were going to make the Mystic Melody shrine portal you to, but they changed the end point for whatever reason. With the final portal locations in place, the devs never bothered to finish the route (hence the camera and rail shooting you to nowhere), and since the path was out of the way, they figured that it wasn’t worth the time of removing.

[@Daniel_Coffman]

The confusing platform/rail to nowhere must have been a leftover from an earlier point in development where that platform was likely meant to be another alternate route or something to that effect.

[@sanglish18]

Ok that completely useless rail and platform totally took me off-guard, I've never noticed that in my life, no wonder even devs probably forgot about that, it seems they were going to make another path for that section, but as they were building the level they forgot about it and that incomplete section was left by accident, kinda like those leftovers from Green Forest's old layout in White Jungle. The Omochao explanation in Final Chase is another one of hundreds mistranslations this game has, I was just about to compare to the Japanese one until you've shown on screen. And I'm not exaggerating when saying "hundreds" because I made the Retranslated Hints mod so if you ever make a video on Treasure Hunting levels and look at the normal English hints... omg there is just so many mistakes, misspellings, lack of information and outright wrong indications all around, some of them can easily kill the player's experience (looking at you, Mad Space) and there were times where I genuinely saw some players being stuck on some of these levels because of translation errors. No wonder when I watch Japanese players they seem to have a much easier time in these levels.

[@Jon-hh3gz]

"I dont know who you are but I will destroy you" 😭😭😭 think he's talking to me

[@prodwysp]

idk if you read comments but this video is so good please make more also im in love with the transition at 0:33 that was a beautiful touch

[@zepaie69420]

Good, I'm glad I wasn't the only person who thought this level was a total slog to play through

[@joey5745]

This level is actually genius. It foreshadows the extremely popular website known as KZbin! Those tubes are YOU-Tubes! The grind rail is the path to the website. You select the tube you want to view a video, next thing you know you are getting pushed and moved to different tubes by the algorithm. You might want to go one way but the tubes are suggesting you go other ways. The meteors are ads. When you get close to them they activate. Those blue holes in the floor are someones channel with crappy thumbnails. You enter one and you have no idea what to expect. That extra piece of unused rail is a video that has been deleted or set to private :/ , that's why it doesn't work. The artificial chaos are KZbin shorts, as you browse from video to video, you'll occasionally bump into one of these they attempt to catch your attention as you move by. The Chase is BASED,

[@CapitalTeeth]

Playing this game on the PS3, I thought this level was pretty fun when I got the movement on the spinning drums right. Instead of awkwardly causing Shadow to nearly vomit from dizziness, I was actually working with the drums instead of fighting them.

[@Someguyhere111]

I'ma have to disagree on this one. I like the spinning tube mechanic. It can be a little janky when you reach the top, sure, but nothing that makes them difficult to use, just a little moment of Shadow being drunk. The forced movement being awkward feels like it's the point. It's the final level, of course it should be challenging. They're not really that difficult to figure out either, and they tend to be set up so that you can actually make them automatic to an extent. For example, that one with the pulley near the start? If you just homing attack onto it and hold forward, Shadow will run right into the pulley every time. I think Omochao saying "stay away from the tubes" is just a character thing. The tutorial is explaining how the tubes work but Omochao himself is saying "Listen, if I were you, I'd steer clear of them tubes! They're dangerous!"

[@KingTvlip]

Another ZoomZike Sonic analysis! Blessed be we! Perhaps one day you'll analyze Sonic Unleashed's stages, they have tons of details in them.

[@Phillylove100]

Are you going to do Final Rush too? It’s the same thing but far better. There’s so many secret places and alternate pathways that blew my mind as a kid.

[@connormchugh7697]

Any day that my boy ZoomZike puts up a SA2 video is instantly 50-70% better. Thank you for your contribution to the universe.

[@Oath_Of_The_Ancients]

Fun fact: the cia used final chase mission 5 as a torture method before it was outlawed for being too cruel

[@andreistroe8973]

I guess there is a reference how Shadow was sucked into his past making him always angry and serious but also confused about his purpose just like how confuse and hard is to get good at those tubes

[@Minato-eq6fx]

Really enjoy your SA2 videos, got the game because of them and completed everything but the Chao Emblems now. Went back while playing and watched all your SA2 Videos and was sad to see you have not every stage covered, so i'm happy to see you finally cover the stage, which frustrated me quite a bit while A ranking everything. As always just a really enjoyable video.

[@MattSipka]

I wonder if that random platform with the grind rail was where the mystic melody portal was supposed to go?

[@noobsterdapro5900]

i just had a realization THE RANDOM PLATFORM WAS FROM FINAL RUSH FINAL CHASE WAS MADE FROM FINAL RUSH

[@TheProswagonist]

At first I read the title as "Final Chase is not Bad" and I'm like "those are very bold words."

[@BlackxExorcistitsyaboi]

Dude I haven't gotten a notification from you in like a month or so so I come to check up and you back uploading the fire SA2 level reviews. KZbin got me fucked up

[@DaffyToons]

0:00 By jumping out of a plane he forgot his parachute

[@SkippytWalrus]

I feel you 100% about the tubes but I honestly believe these tubes are narrative devices that are supposed to flow seamlessly into the gameplay (they don't). I think the purpose of the level the music and the blasting sounds is supposed to suggest that Shadow is spiraling out of control, and that final chase is meant to be the end of that spiral, the level ending with a long tube, a downward spiral, to the goal ring and an unknown target.

[@BobPeterson628]

I love the way that the spinning gravity tubes feel, but I also think they symbolically represent Shadow’s situation. He is being pulled by an overpowering force that keeps him moving ahead, keeps him in motion, even though his new doubts make his mission a dizzying pursuit. He is trapped in the orbit of his path, going around in circles as part of a cycle of vengeance that he cannot pump the breaks on. If you could just freely walk on the tubes, it would give too much control to the player, when really I think the point of the level is that Shadow is out of control, caught in the gravity of Gerald’s devious designs that are sending him (and the ARK) on a crash course toward total annihilation.

[@Simon-mp3vz]

My guess for the platform with the rail that don't amount to anything is that it was probably going to be another path that you could take in the level, but was cut either for design or time issues, and the devs just forgot to remove it

[@mighty_king92]

13:05-13:10 this guy literally turned into Dr Seuss and that's awesome. I would've made a rhyming joke but I suck at that

[@mechashadow]

ZoomZike be like: Back in my day, this was MY BARREL OF DOOM! If only you could just solve it by moving up and down, but instead it fights you at every turn.

[@9-VoltGaming]

14:55 Getting an S Rank in this chao mission is a NIGHTMARE, specially because is at the end of the level and you gotta go throw this tube fast, I will never do that again in my life

[@champagnesupernova1839]

i think that "random platform and rail" may be left over from final rush

[@BlankTH]

The mystic melody part is where you get the abilty lmao, that's why it sends you back to the main level. You just got it and the game shows you how it works and also gets you back on path. That bit was still funny tho, and I enjoyed the vid overall.=)

[@Sly88Frye]

Another thing I've noticed about this stage is despite it being the final stage of the dark story I'd never found it to be challenging. Final Rush from the hero story was definitely a much more difficult stage. Perhaps maybe because they based this stage around those tubes the way it was designed just made the stage just a lot easier. It honestly surprised me that this was the final stage from the Dark side story. Mostly because it's stage 14 where the hero story ends after stage 16 and yet the dark story starts earlier in the entire storyline of the game but somehow has fewer stages, but anyways it's also because this stage really didn't seem very difficult like at all my first time playing way back as a teenager in the early 2000s. One thing for sure is I find the mystic Melody foreshadow to be the easiest to find because the secret of getting there on this stage is just really really easy to get to. I think it's the only mystic Melody I've ever gotten in the game.

[@VenusFeuerFalle]

I think the platform at 10:00 was to give the impression that there are mulitple path on a maze like Space Ark, instead of a merely linear path through space. Since most platforms are copied, has arrows showing downwards.

[@sanglish18]

Also, you forgot to mention the stupid spring at the bottom of the tube that leads to the Mystic Melody upgrade, if you touch that spring you'll literally be launched out of the platform you're supposed to land, depending on you direction you might be able to grab the ledge of the platform, but it clearly doesn't seem it was intentional. This level just reeks an "out of time" aura, so many weird objects positioning and unpolished mechanic, they really needed more time to polish this level.

[@aperkins0627]

The tubes suck at first but learning to work with the pull instead of against it is incredibly satisfying

[@lvl5Vaporeon]

Mad Space is a prototype Mario Galaxy

[@harryenchiladas8826]

I remember that as a child this stage seemed very easy to me compared to Sonic's level. since the tube made me spin, I just went forward and (generally) it worked for me

[@jondecker3360]

That edit at 0:32 was so damn clean

[@DrEcho]

10/10

[@DrEcho]

Wait, that edit at 0:33, that Green Forest to Metal Harbor cut??? SHEEEEEEEEESH 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@elicenyne]

this is something that makes no sense and i’m kind of just posting for laughs: the ring trail in Final Chase not leading to progress matches how Shadow would likely feel, and parallels the ring trail in Crazy Gadget being not only necessary but also if they weren’t there Sonic wouldn’t be able to get through the level in any way. Basically, Shadow can’t trust anyone, and Sonic can trust almost anyone. This is probably extremely wrong but who the hell cares

[@j377yb33n]

I wouldn't be surprised if that leftover rail is was meant to be joined to one of those 3 route drops. one would spit you out on the longer path, one would drop you on the much easier one that would toss you off at the end of the alley.

[@rtyuik7]

most of those gravity tubes can be completely skipped over though...especially the one at the very end-- when the rocket explodes and you start falling, hold the control stick "Shadow-Forward" (which, with the camera, is somewhere in the bottom-left corner) and youll have just enough clearance to avoid getting stuck to the tube...that way, instead of 'just holding Down' until you get to the Spring (that you have to time a jump onto), all you do is Fall...shortly after youre in freefall, the camera will whip back around to be behind Shadow (where it should be) so just make sure you line yourself up with the GoalRing platform as you see it load in

[@BradsGonnaPlay]

A lot of “and you can’t move left or right!” in this video and my only question is… why would you need to?

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

The last stretch of tubes that you go down and have to hit a spring in order to reach the goal ring has been a nightmare for me, but I found a way to cheat it. When you launch from the rocket that drops you to those tubes, hold left on the analog stick as soon as the rocket explodes. Shadow will free fall away from those tubes, and then the camera angle will change, thus you have to move the analog stick forward. As a result, you’ll free fall onto the platform where the goal ring is. Works 100% of the time.

[@manjackson2772]

The difference between the Final Chase and City Escape openings is that City Escape is a challenge section with plenty of opportunities to get points, and Final Chase is a long rail grind that doesn't even give you a single score bonus.

[@HebiSnake]

Gravity cylinders, and on Dreamcast, light dash rings not loading in properly, are the two things that hurt this level.

[@السراقالمجهول]

ngl this stage was a highlight of the game when I played it first time

[@PLAYER42_ready]

Honestly, I liked the gimmick and I thought this level was SO much better than Final Rush

[@jamiegioca9448]

1:22 To be fair, the asphaltboarding (if you will) is feckin awesome as hell

[@PajamaSenpai]

Honestly I was scared of the tubes when I first faced them specifically because of the Omochao. I thought I'd get sucked into it and die of I stepped on it wrong.

[@Chosen1Creator]

An idea to improve the tubes is to have them be like a conveyor belt. They would keep you spinning like normal but you can run with them to gain speed for a bigger jump, or if you move against them you travel at a slow speed. The point is to introduce a force that works with the normal player movements rather than just disabling those movements.

[@Equinox_Fox]

Honestly my gospel for SAB2 knowledge. One of my favorite games on my gamecube, I still have my chao from back then. Whenever you upload I get the itch to reinstall the game on steam.

[@EggWithAKnife]

It's VERY worth the steam purchase. The port is janky as heck of course but a couple super easy mods fix it and then you're free to enjoy the game in crisp HD. ...And whatever other enhancements you decide to mod in, like a totally expanded Chao system or cleaner textures.