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- Enhance Light & Color Effect
- Smooth Slo-Mo with Machine Learning
- Rename Color Corrections & Video Effects
- Drag Effects Onto the Viewer
- New Search Features in the Browser & Timeline Index
If Apple hadn't released FCP for iPad and Final Cut Camera this update would have been incredibly underwhelming to me, but with the debut of Apple Intelligence and Apple's commitment to FCP on iOS and iPadOS I am confident that there is A LOT more to come for FCP for Mac. Bring it on!
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Start
1:14 - XML Version
2:10 - Enhance Light & Color
5:31 - Smooth Slo-Mo
9:09 - Rename Effects
11:18 - MotionVFX Spot
12:24 - Drag & Drop Effects
13:10 - The Timeline Index
13:45 - Search By Reel, Scene, etc.
14:28 - Search User-Created Roles
14:59 - Scrolling Timeline Button
15:40 - Browser Filters
16:31 - DVD Burning
18:31 - Final Cut Feedback
19:43 - Outro
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[@matthewTobrien]

10.8 is finally here! And no issues so far with MotionVFX! One thing I love to do in my videos is give them a lot of character with transitions and effects that add grain, noise, and distortion - sometimes I just need a lo-fi, low tech vibe and my go-to effects are from MotionVFX (this video's sponsor) Save 10% (excluding CineStudio) with MIDLAND on mStyle VCR, mFilm Matte, mTransition Noise and more 👉 motionvfx.sjv.io/midland

[@iamericlenz]

Ahhh Matthew, I love how the workflow supervisor in you shines through so much! Highly appreciated. :)

[@matthewTobrien]

Haha tell me about it. Especially when I don’t know some of the technical details with color grading. I always project managed the grade - I didn’t actually do it myself! 😂

[@sergeylyubarsky8201]

So basically da Vinci resolve gives us more things weekly than Final Cut in a decade. Got it.

[@matthewTobrien]

But that's always been the case with Apple. Just look at iPhone vs Android. The same comments are made when those are both discussed. "Cool, you can move your apps anywhere now. Android had that 10 years ago." I mean it took them 14 years to make Calculator for iPad. But you gotta admit, when they did, they hit a grand slam. I think the Magnetic Timeline and the Browser were a grand slam but, yeah, they haven't hit once since then. They're due. And here's to hoping FCP 11 knocks it outta the park. Sorry for all the sportsball talk.

[@sergeylyubarsky8201]

Considering how much respect I have for you… Im beginning to think youre one of the developers lol 😂😂😂

[@genericuser7319]

100%. A small Australian company that originally just sold capture cards is eating Apple’s lunch when it comes to video production. I do wish Apple would try to compete but they just don’t seem to care about professional users like they used to in the early 2000s. So sad.

[@sergeylyubarsky8201]

@@genericuser7319 Its not about professional. Captions are in EVERY SINGLE app! from the app Captions, to capcut. Davinci, Premier, need I go on? The strange thing is, ive been dictating my texts to iPhone for 5 years! so THEY 100% have this technology. They could implement it within an hour if Timmy told them to!

[@dylanjohndickerson]

The most in depth and useful update video out there! Awesome work, Matthew 👊🏼

[@matthewTobrien]

I appreciate that, friend! Thanks for hanging out with me in the edit bay 🙌

[@Kehisthe1]

Been waiting for you to drop!!!!

[@matthewTobrien]

You know me… I make those long chill session overview vids 🤣 Plus a bug in FCP 10.8 was giving me major issues 👾

[@lavinchi6709]

Excellent update🎉thanks

[@yamaha72]

U bringing value. Always!

[@matthewTobrien]

Doing my best!

[@gankytime7]

Matt, i appreciate these videos so freakin much. Just want to let you know.

[@matthewTobrien]

You have no idea how comments like this invigorate and encourage KZbinrs. Thank you for watching, commenting, and being a part of the Final Cut Fam 🙌

[@NicCamp]

Drag and drop effects! Nice breakdown

[@grahamcohen3850]

Nice video but I dropped FCP back when Apple decided to abandon the old platform which was industry leading and well on it's way to becoming the defacto industry editor for this new FCPX platform. So many features missing and continue to be missing and like many others moved over to Resolve. It's a shame as I loved my old FCP. Hopefully Apple will continue to develop this application but the release schedule is way to slow for me.

[@Stairsgoup]

great video as always man!!!

[@matthewTobrien]

Appreciate you tuning in, friend. Hope it felt like we were hanging out :) Also... I have a major bug that's keeping me from using a lot of the tools I normally use...

[@stevensonrf]

Thanks Matthew for introducing these new Final Cut Pro features. Can’t wait to get my hands dirty with the new tech. Have a great weekend.😊👍

[@matthewTobrien]

My pleasure! Thanks so much for tuning in, Francis!

[@stevensonrf]

@@matthewTobrien You are most welcome, Matthew. Sure appreciate your videos. They’re extremely helpful.!

[@aaronwhitetalk]

Thanks for sharing！！！

[@markksantos]

now commenting about the final cut update: honestly so bummed by this. i wish they cared about final cut more and they made it as good or even better than davinci and adobe premiere. 😢

[@matthewTobrien]

If they did, they'd launch a new product and most likely call it Final Cut Studio. I made a video about it - it's a long shot, but not impossible. I'd be surprised but not shocked if Final Cut Pro 11 got a massive overhaul with features important to independent media and content creators and a Final Cut Studio app that blew DaVinci Resolve out of the water, especially when it comes to Spatial and Immersive storytelling. With the VisionPro, Apple's betting on this being the future of content consumption.

[@markksantos]

@@matthewTobrien Are there any rumors about this?

[@matthewTobrien]

Final Cut Pro has pretty much zero rumors. This is just me trying to look into my crystal ball and make an educated guess on what they might be up to… 🔮

[@milafrita]

Thanks!

[@projectnextek]

Hope to see a new transition based on Super Slo-mo to replace the Flow one! P.S. Great video, as always! 🙌

[@matthewTobrien]

Good call! Definitely need to see that updated with Machine Learning.

[@thecinematicguy]

Yes so excited to watch thos

[@matthewTobrien]

Appreciate you tuning in!

[@AlisterRobbie]

Giddy up. Downloading now. Not backing up! Living on the edge… hahaha

[@TheFinalCutBro]

Love that you covered a lot of the more nuanced stuff! XML's changing can definitely throw off some workflows for people.

[@matthewTobrien]

Thanks, buddy - appreciate you! 🙌

[@CPUspeed]

mmm I would do enhance and color first to do auto correction and establish a baseline then do custom color correction and/or add lut. I certainly wouldn’t want to do a lot of tedious work and then apply something and have it all changed on me. Thanks for the video 👍🏼

[@matthewpateofficial]

It’s clear the FCP Team doesn’t truly listen to the FCP community.

[@flxsp4162]

Before the update if I double klicked on a color correction in the video inspector it jumped directly into the effect. Now after the update it always wants me to rename the color correction/effect. Does anybody know how I can change this double klick setting?

[@markksantos]

A few things I wish you did (Constructive feedback, i love your content, please don't take this personally): 1 - increase the UI size of your computer when you record videos so its easier to see. I have to go to full screen to watch your video because I can't see anything bc the UI is so small 2 - Go straight into it, don't linger so much in the beginning, get right into the sauce 3 - provide a quick summary in the beginning of the features and what's going to be covered. maybe a list of the items you're going to cover 4 - add more motion graphics and text animations throughout the video so i can follow along more easily 5 - add your face on the thumbnail so i know its your video when i see it on my timeline and don't skip over it

[@matthewTobrien]

Thanks for the feedback, Mark! And for watching the video. I’ll take a look at the UI sizing, etc. As far as the other notes… while I agree that those are best practices for a lot of content creators, that’s just not my vibe. I make my videos to feel like what it would be like if you were sitting at the desk with me and I was going over the updates with you. I get that not every viewer is going to enjoy that or find it engaging, but I’m not terribly concerned with that. When I watch KZbin videos I tend to click out of videos that use a lot of the techniques you’re talking about - I just want to chill out with my Internet friends on KZbin and hear them work through whatever it is they’re making a video about. Also, I typically use more animations but a big bug is occurring with FCP 10.8 that was preventing me from using them. More on that in an upcoming video… Again, appreciate you watching, and I applaud your diplomacy!

[@AurelianIrimia]

@@matthewTobrienI totally agree with you! I also skip those videos full of whoosh, banks, boom, splash, animated texts, too many transitions, effects…All that makes me dizzy and tires me. I just want to enjoy good content in peace. LESS IS MORE!

[@iTrensharo]

The scenarios where these Time Remapping algorithms are optimal often include action/sports contexts where optical flow simply wasn't good enough at interpolating well enough to prevent high levels of artifacting, blurring, etc. with high levels of remapping were needed with lower framerate footage. For example, filming a figure skater doing a Triple jump at 60 FPS and then slowing it down to 10% in a 30 FPS timeline. The rate of rotation is super-fast, so the algorithms need to be high quality in order to interpolate the frames well. This is something Resolve studio's Speed Warp excels at, and I still think it's the best on the market for this. If you're recording with 480-960 FPS high speed cameras, then it doesn't matter what algorithm you use. There are going to be so many frames that the software will barely have to interpolate anything, anyways. Always record at a higher frame rate if you think there is a chance you may want to Time Remap the footage. The Helicopter Scene is unusable for various reasons, and I'd have to re-record that. This improvement is fine for FCP. The biggest issue I have is that there still doesn't seem to be a way to automate it the way you can in Resolve Studio. Sometimes there are elements of the action that need more aggressive slowing than others, and it works best when you can ease in and out of those elements with Automation, vs. cutting the clip up into bits and then trying to manually adjust edge ramps. I do lots of this with sports footage and I don't consider FCP to be usable for me. This won't change that status quo. Resolve Studio also has better Video Stabilization, Video and Audio Noise Reduction, Tracking and Voice Isolation... and all of that is advantageous for this type of work I do and footage I have to work with (due to the manner some of it is recorded (tripod vs. handheld) and the venues in which it is recorded).

[@Onlinepmcourses]

Just curious (I have no need). Does Compressor still burn DVDs?

[@matthewTobrien]

I am almost certain it doesn’t, but I will have to check to be sure… I guess Apple partnered with Roxio to offer a discount on their disc-burning software to ease the pain for some DVD devotees.

[@stalman]

Great deep dive Matthew. I wish we got color management rather than auto colors but I guess I’ll cope

[@matthewTobrien]

Thanks for stopping by, Tyler 🙌 I couldn’t agree more re: the color pipeline. I still goof up the order of adjustments when attempting to grade (as you can see in this demo). I used DaVinci Resolve for a while to edit my 35mm film scans (stills) that were scanned at a lab that uses a Blackmagic Cintel scanner (and scans in Log🤘) and the color pipeline / nodes workflow was soooooo much better (even for someone like me who struggled mightily with grading). Let’s hope FCP 11 sees an overhaul of all that… Or better yet the resurrection of ol’ Final Cut Studio 🎬 Oh, and thanks for making a great set of Canon LUTs👌

[@sergeylyubarsky8201]

We got nothing! They truly hate us, went online to their communities, and when you put in auto captions, they delete every single post that has anything to do with it. How do I know? Because after not finding a single one, I made one and it was deleted 10 minutes later.

[@matthewTobrien]

If the Notes app has it now... we'll get it in FCP. Apple just needs time to do it in their own, special, "We did it better than everyone else" way. I don't think they hate us... they just love figuring out the tech and then spending as long as it takes to make the customer experience of that tech as magical as possible.

[@AlloffroadAu]

@@matthewTobrien lol very little magic in Apple software applications nowadays

[@sergeylyubarsky8201]

@@matthewTobrien BTW Please dont misunderstand me. I LOVE your channel and what you do. But I think you're blindly in love with a cripple. It's almost like you're living a sunk cost fallacy,,, like the rest of us. Apple is like an abusive spouse that we beg to change and it doesn't hit us once a year. :D

[@bwilesuk]

Sounds like you had a bit of a cold here? If so, hope you're recovered by now. Renaming colour grades is going to be niiiice (it's so overdue). Still STILL no captions though. Should have come last year.

[@matthewTobrien]

Just an allergy attack right before filming... And I'm ready for some captions too. I think when they do get implemented we're all going to love how Apple does it 🤞

[@kipling1957]

How do I back up an app?

[@papanastou1]

it seems new version creates huge analysis files! and I can't find any way to delete them..

[@mrfroopy]

They said they would address the pro editor letter. They never will

[@matthewTobrien]

They think they are with FCP for iPad & Final Cut Camera and the commitment that shows to the app not going bye bye like Aperture did.

[@ericsternberger2768]

bread & crumbs but: wheres the beef?!

[@matthewTobrien]

I could use a bit more beef as well... I'm overflowing with positivity because of Final Cut Pro for iPad / Final Cut Camera and what that means for Apple's commitment to Final Cut Pro...

[@mrfroopy]

If you're not using scopes your not grading correctly

[@matthewTobrien]

They can make the UI a little cluttered when doing a demo of new features. Color grading tutorial? Sure. This ain’t that. And I’m no colorist.

[@tawaanbrown6122]

What are you using to grade your video? Looks like a film stock.

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[@pep98]

There is a LOT you didn't mention and should warn people about! After the upgrade I loaded an old project that was finished. Made a duplicate before I started. Nearly all mu music I used turned red (missing file) all the crossdisolve I used turned red (missing file) cross dissolve has dissapeard from 10.8!! All the text I used turns red, disappeared from 10.8 as-well!! So a finished project changed in another 7 hours work, to get it going again!

[@pep98]

After consulting the Apple helpdesk (thank you so much for the exelent help!) i found out it is VERY important that BEFORE you update to version 10.8, you should update the MacOS to version 17.5!!! After i did that i put back my old version of FCP, then ran the update 10.8 and now everything is back the way it should be! Not one "missing file" errors anymore.

[@matthewTobrien]

It’s impossible to know everything that could go wrong with a software update which is why I said at the beginning of the video to back up your older version of FCP and duplicate your Library (or Libraries). I had one significant issue with FCP while editing this video and have been troubleshooting it, including updating to the latest version of Sonoma to rule that out as the root cause.

[@anotherperfectday88]

I have updated final cut and restarted my computer. The super slo mo is not an option. Is anyone else having this problem?

[@matthewTobrien]

What version of macOS? Is your Mac Intel or Apple Silicon?

[@AlloffroadAu]

should be a 10.7.5 update again another small improvement update

[@northwoodmediaworks]

I just discovered that Machine Learning SloMo does not work on resolutions higher than 4k.... that kinda bites.

[@matthewTobrien]

I believe it does if your Mac is M2 or later - I thought I read somewhere you can get up to 8K. M1 Macs top out at 4k. I’d need to double-check though. If you have a source, can you drop a link a reply?

[@northwoodmediaworks]

No, just tried to parse some 5.3k in a 4k timeline.. and got the message. I use a M1 Max... how fast Apple dumps us eh!

[@BeaglefreilaufKalkar]

The new AI driven Light and Color feature is great and fast. On my M1max a 4 Minute 4K 60fps timeline took 3 minutes to render. I already color corrected it, but te AI feature did a better job.

[@matthewTobrien]

The more videos I watch about it the more impressed I am! Especially if you're dealing with Rec.709 footage straight out of camera or if you have a good conversion LUT you use and then use Enhance Light & Color. It did a good job with my clips even though I still wanted to tweak them just a bit afterward.

[@KokkiePiet]

@@matthewTobrien going to edit a clip tomorrow for a new video on my channel (the one I am using here,) and do some more filming Sunday.

[@matthewTobrien]

Get to choppin'!

[@ekphotography]

Bummer it is ONLY for Sonoma. So it is a no go for me for. while.. Ventura just works great for me..

[@matthewTobrien]

Good point. Yeah, definitely going to require some updating and the Intel holdouts will miss out on some of these machine learning features...

[@Andy-gz1wj]

it works on ventura

[@ekphotography]

@@Andy-gz1wj On the release notes it says for Sonoma..

[@Andy-gz1wj]

@@ekphotography I know. got it on my 2019 intel MacBook Pro with Ventura and on my Mac mini m1 with Ventura and both work

[@ekphotography]

@@Andy-gz1wj OK, good to know, I have not tried yet bc that threw me off and was not even interested.. Will check Thanks

[@philpritchard8772]

how many ways of using search facilities do they need, just one and make it simple. They have fallen even further behind and I only use it because I don't have time to learn a new software right now. Come on apple pull your socks up !!

[@nickdoum]

Fantastic update, it's good to see apple listening to the community and giving us what we want. I have high hopes for this amazing product and this is just the beginning. 2025 will be a major update for FCP

[@victordelacruz8440]

Still no auto-captions and transcriptions with ChatGPT 😂 fugh Apple

[@chezchezchezchez]

I’m using the daVinci resolve, the free version. It does everything this does and way more. What a waste of money this is.

[@matthewTobrien]

DaVinci Resolve is great… but track-based editing is not for me. I’ll stick with FCP.

[@AurelianIrimia]

I love your videos Matthew but this Final Cut Pro update is more a “bug fixes”, nothing special about it. For me is very clear that Apple has abandoned Final Cut. And I don’t see any intention to compete with Davinci Resolve, or at least bring some important improvement.

[@matthewTobrien]

Appreciate you diplomacy! I'm just a bit surprised that so many in the FCP community think Apple has abandoned FCP after making a dedicated app for iPad and a new camera app with its name. I get that a lot of high-end pro features aren't present, but it's abundantly clear to me that Apple is fully committed to Final Cut Pro... just not in a way that makes it a cooler, more elegant version of DaVinci Resolve. I totally get the overall frustration though for those of you who wants even some obvious pro features.

[@AurelianIrimia]

@@matthewTobrien On second thought, I am pretty sure that we will never have a Final Cut Pro of the same level as Davinci Resolve. And the reason is very obvious. Apple wants to offer a video editing program that can be used on all its devices. Blackmagic offers a professional program that meets the needs of any professional. The big difference between these two programs is the hardware that is needed. It is true that Davinci offers very professional functions, but for everything to work very smoothly, you need very powerful hardware. On the other hand, Final Cut can be used even on a MacBook Air, obviously with some limitations. If Final Cut would have professional functions such as those of Davinci, surely it can only be used fluidly only with equipment with Max and Ultra processors. In this way Apple would charge a large part of its low-end sales, MacBook Air, Pro, mini, iMac... So I'm sure it's not about helplessness on the part of Apple, I think it's more about another strategy of making money. And we all know very well that money is much more important for Apple than the user.

[@AurelianIrimia]

@@matthewTobrien About Final Cut Camera, I installed it yesterday, I tested it and I deleted it from my iPhone, since I don't like to have apps on my iPhone that I don't use. And I will continue to use Blackmagic Camera, which is far superior to what Final Cut Camera offers. I see it useful only if you want to use it with an iPad and a multicam setup, with several iPhones. In that case, I find it very useful.

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[@psysword]

Fcpx with mvfx beats davinci hands down.

[@he.smile_]

But mvfx is also available for davinci…

[@seecraig]

Apple is rarely first with new features. I have a hunch we're just seeing the tip of Apple going deep in AI. As per WWDC, there's a lot of AI coming to Sequoia and I think we're going to see some major FCP updates post the release of that OS. My guess is it'll be FCP 11 early next year (end of Spring in typical Apple fashion). We might see a 10.9 interim (end of year). Apple isn't dumping in all the AI in FCP that people are demanding because it will happen through the OS. People need to understand that this is how Apple handles its ecosystem. People who think Apple is abandoning FCP don't understand how Apple works. They forgot the update between legacy FCP6 and 7 was disappointing and there was a long period before FCPX came out. I think they may have learned from those marketing and development mistakes and they're now making a transition (long and slow) to the "10-year plan" for FCP. WWDC should be an indication of where they're going with the ecosystem. There are also indications in iPadOS and FCP for iPad as well as FCP Camera. They'd have no reason to enter that market with Resolve, Lumafusion, or CapCut unless they were laying a foundation. AI will be impressive when it does arrive in my opinion.

[@AlloffroadAu]

BS apple missed the AI bandwaggon and tries to do some quick fixes now

[@user-yv9qr2re6z]

really boring update.

[@matthewTobrien]

If Apple hadn't released FCP for iPad and Final Cut Camera I would have definitely covered this update with another "Meh."

[@ABDTalk1]

underwhelming and lame