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[@BLitzRunner77]

The game does load unbelievably fast on PC. So, the direct storage thing seems to be working.

[@arustyitalianhairyasscheek5305]

So long as u have a decent nvme that is.

[@lucaboss4491]

@@arustyitalianhairyasscheek5305 If not, it changes a second at most, you know what a difference it makes.

[@saitoXamaterasu]

Ye is load very fast

[@lgolem09l]

​@@arustyitalianhairyasscheek5305 I think the speed advantage is mainly in doing less cpu work, the difference between an old ssd and an nvme, is not as big.

[@JamesBurdon-gu5yu]

@@lgolem09l No, it is big until direct storage it just has not had a chance to show it.

[@albynano4619]

Using an older gpu is a realistic move, good job on that, its part of what I like about this channel.

[@godnamedtay]

Tell me ur broke without telling me ur broke…

[@P0W3RH0U53]

Dude exactly. I have a 10700k and 3090, so it ran fine for me, but I'm like 1 percent of population. Most people have a 2060. For what it's worth, I downloaded it on my sister 2070 super Laptop, and setting everything to low and capping at 30, I experienced very few stutters and I actually think the game still looked great

[@JamesBurdon-gu5yu]

@@godnamedtay You dont know what "Broke" Means. Tell me you spend money on pc hardware and drugs instead of family and food transport and education and housing without telling me..

[@Stilloffside]

Someone on steam released a fix for uncapping cut scenes.

[@gamersmudngrubshow6119]

Good. 30 fps cutscenes aren't buttering my bread.

[@WilliamTell1313]

Yup, and it seems to work perfectly fine. Was running at 144hz and the cutscenes would play at 144hz as well. Hopefully the devs end up doing it themselves so a mod isn't needed, but if they don't, the mod seems to work fine.

[@sloth321]

If fans can do it devs have no excuse. I would imagine there is a department of people who work strictly on performance/optimizations so exactly how does a game get pushed onto the shelf like this?

[@WilliamTell1313]

@@sloth321 I know the devs can do it. It's just the question if they will or not. I'm sure they will. They even released a patch for the demo, which I feel proves they are committed to the game being as optimized and as good as it can be. It probably got pushed because that's how the PS5 version's cutscenes were coded and they just didn't change it for PC.

[@alistairblaire6001]

Kind of surprised that's possible considering it uses Denuvo

[@NikoQerry]

Some of the textures look incredibly blurry (especially the rocks), but overall, Im definitely buying!

[@lastHERO22]

the game gets so epic. Plenty of moments of me with my jaw dropped and jumping up from my chair

[@euj0]

​@@lastHERO22relax

[@ddfurrymann]

@@lastHERO22it was pretty good yeah.

[@NikoQerry]

​@@lastHERO22 Have you played the dlcs? Are they worth getting?

[@pastqr]

Machine gun I'm not going to double dip but I really enjoyed this game for what it was

[@fenrirxii9749]

Another issue, which I haven't noticed anyone mention, is that several character's hair models don't seem to load the correct LOD level regardless of quality setting, specifically Biast, Adult Clive, Joshua and Elwin are noticeably lower quality than their PS5 counterparts, when viewed up close, in my demo and several streams I have seen.

[@GAGPalia]

Yeah Jill too

[@itsaivan]

I got that issue during 2nd demo with Benedicta. What seemed to work for me is setting Graphic Fidelity at high

[@GAGPalia]

@@itsaivan ​ It still does not load quality level I have on my ps5. I noticed this when taking screenshots of Jill and torgal outside of castle. I also noticed the flags are not moving in the wind on pc as seen here at 2:20.

[@arustyitalianhairyasscheek5305]

We need PC 2 Asap lol

[@Cblan1224]

With the amount of time they've had to work on this, anything less than being perfectly smooth on launch is unacceptable

[@Danilo_5809]

You do know right that pc is second priority for japanese studios Plus the ff 16 team was split working on ff 14 too

[@Oroxom3]

Its the curse of pc ports as always 😂

[@SnuSnu91]

Clearly someone has no idea how game development works

[@Cblan1224]

@Danilo_5809 yes. Its 2nd priority for many studios. I don't have to like it

[@erikouwehand]

@@Danilo_5809 Yet they ask full price? If it was second priority it also should be reflected in the pricing.

[@pr0newbie]

I'm surprised no one's talking about the 170GB space required? That's insane.

[@itsaivan]

Game has like 6 Voice Acting options, I hope someone finds a way to delete the options we're not using. In Kingdom Hearts 3 it saves 20GB and it's a game that has 2 dub options.

[@itsaivan]

@@LightningNavigator no idea I'll play it on PC since I don't own a PS5. Still the demo had 6 languages, if they're including all of them then it can explain the game size.

[@ilakya]

1:25 The scene of negotiation in the fortress is pre-rendered FMV. The aliasing you see is the video playback try to look crisp on 4K resolution. This game has many hidden FMV that looks just like in-engine. And that's why they keep the cutscenes 30fps locks. The FMV are always 30fps no matter what. The real time cutscenes (and the photo mode) also dynamically increase the internal resolution to improve the quality to fit the 30fps goal and help to hide the seam to the FMV. How did I know? There's the fps unlock mod available already. And it unlock all the real time cutscenes. But it can do nothing about the FMV. Usually, the FMV are the scene where it used only once and not used during actual gameplay. And some situation with a lot of people. You could also take a closer look at the hair alpha which the real time one would looks noisy from the alpha hash style blending under the AA while the FMV looks more smooth as if it has much more sample. And also FMVs will look exactly the same to every noise dots or aliasing with the PS5. That's another way to check. PC with different super resolution options will have a different aliasing. *additional edit after watch it all* I observe a few situation of fps drops that's visible to the eyes. -When they swap the real time and FMV. This one I clearly notice when I use the fps unlock mod and look at the number. It's a little bit stuttering when it change to and from 30. It's not a smooth transition. -When the scene is actually heavy like the fireworks of particles. This is the easiest one to observe. -When the dynamic resolution try to swap the internal resolution. I discover this as I try to eliminate the stuttering at the beginning cutscene of the Eikonic Challenge which is a real time cutscene and just fade out of black at the very beginning and it just stuttering about two times. Maybe it's the same as your machine gun stuttering in the background but that's all my bare eyes can pick up. So I try many options like turning everything low and such. And I found out that turn off the dynamic resolution eliminate that one specific stuttering. That's what I can say for sure. But I assume there could be a lot more of the situations that it does this again. But there also be the problem as I turn the dynamic resolution off and set a upscaling quality to a well balance one that give a constant fps over 30 which I limit and use frame generation to 60 so it's buttery smooth and also looks quite nice in almost all the time. But without the dynamic resolution, the particle fest will kill the performance. So I think I have to choose between stuttering from time to time or fps drop on heavy situation. Maybe with yours's monitoring tools could get more conclude answer than me.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

Before i hear the rest of why some of this still looks aliased, is i think some of these cut scenes are not in game, which is also why they are at 30 fps. I saw my gpu not being used much during some cutscenes which indicates, video.

[@saitoXamaterasu]

The battlefield cutscenes is a movie but is hard to notice that

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

@saitoXamaterasu these cutscenes drive me nuts to be honest, my monitor turns off from inactivity, i could change this, but i shouldnt have to.

[@roquevitantonio8555]

Oliemack. I don't know much about PC configurations, but I noticed that the images looked very blurry with DLAA and I tried FSR Native and it completely improved. This is the first game I play with FSR because in any configuration it looks better than with DLSS. Greetings.

[@mattmanley7118]

I concur I’m also doing FSR native as I don’t need upscaling and everything looks more vibrant and clear. I knew something had changed! It looked washed out prior.

[@ArchieGamez]

I will try out FSR

[@thebestsorak]

for me every cutscene cut was "ok i'm having problem or what? oh ok no it's a cutscene" i was going from 120 fps to 30. a disaster. Plus come on 21:9 not supported in 2024. PLS GUYS PLS.

[@haloharry97]

there a mod that unlocks cutscene FPS + adds ultrawide screen Support. FFXVIFix

[@griswo3272]

Sounds like a rich problem

[@GOLFWANG_WANGAA]

That's what you get for buying a 21:9 monitor 😂

[@JamesBurdon-gu5yu]

@@GOLFWANG_WANGAA You mean thats what they get for buying an actually goof display and not your letterbox garbage 🤣🐰🤟with github fix they have superior experience you keep your letterbox

[@silpex92]

30 FPS locked cutscenes in 2024 is a crime

[@PulseAttack]

The problem is when going back and forth between cutscenes and gameplay. The first bit of gameplay in the demo has like 3 transitions and it's JARRING

[@CaptainEffort]

Wtf that’s insane, wouldn’t have expected that in a million years

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

Bro, those are just cutscenes. The movies you watch are all shown at 24 fps, most anime is animated at 12 fps. I understand 60+ fps for gameplay, but it doesn't matter at all for cinematic cutscenes!! In fact, lower frame rates are considered more cinematic!!

[@CaptainEffort]

@@PomuLeafEveryday Are… are you joking? Even the video talks about how jarring it is going from 60+ down to 30. It looks awful. And to your point on movies, one of the biggest technical criticisms of Avatar The Way of Water was the switching frame rates. Even casual audiences noticed it and found it jarring.

[@vac59]

Cinematic, make it run slower…24fps 😅

[@hehashivemind6111]

I feel like the patch improved the picture quality tho

[@samuelcalderon5525]

Agreed

[@1chibanKasuga]

Same

[@mattmanley7118]

There was a demo patch??

[@samuelcalderon5525]

@@mattmanley7118 yep!

[@mattmanley7118]

@@samuelcalderon5525dang maybe that’s why it doesn’t look as washed out? What exactly did it do? I’m running it between 54 towards the daylight castle environment to 60 solidly but the 30FPS scenes are a tad bothersome for me. Sharpness in game at 9 Native AA no upscaling needed my PC is quite nice but certainly wish I could get closer to steady 120 FPS but then going to 30 fps cutscenes would be even MORE obvious.

[@cupcake9690]

I dont mind the Demo not playing well (even tho i'd rather see it run well from Day 1) but the issue is SE is not patching their games up on PC and never did, them saying they will make the performance better means nothing to me when all of their PC ports of modern games are half assed. Kingdom Hearts didn't see updates, FF7R didn't see it, FF15 is just dead (i know its old but damn that game needs DLSS 2.0 and some fixes even now) and now with FF16 being ass doesn't really make me want to buy their modern games on PC. Also i have horrible stutter too on my build. Running on a Ryzen 7800X3D with 32 GB which i dont think its the issue, but my GPU is an RTX 3060 Ti. The VRAM usage is almost capping 8 GB and whatever the resolution the usage is same + same stutter whatever im doing. I'd be ok with 30 FPS too but since the stutter is huge, capping to 30 ain't helping it.

[@ololreyalple]

30fps on cutscenes is ok, but with those horrid frametimes, definitely not. 60fps with bad frametimes would've been bad too

[@Snakedirge]

On my RTX 4050 laptop I use 30 fps cap even in gameplay, the game is rock solid. With frame gen the game runs at about 70/80 fps with high preset but there are some micro-freezes that ruin the experience, maybe because I only have 16 gb of RAM and not dual channel. It's also a strange blurry game, like FFXV, and It's not a problem of dynamic resolution, It's blurry, that's all. Anyway, the story is very interesting and I'm curious about It. Edit: 30 FPS on My 60hz TV, while on my 144hz monitor the game suggests to use the 36 FPS cap.

[@A_Noid]

Besides the 30 fps cutscenes, it looked and played pretty great to me. Although I’m playing on a TV many feet away and with a very powerful system (4080, 7800x3d), so that might have something to do with it! It was so great to play that game not stuck at 30 fps during gameplay (« performance » mode on PS5 was atrocious).

[@gwendyguppy510]

Naoki Yoshida and his team are used to ask to they players and listen to the community pretty close. They come from FF14 the actual BEST MMOrpg we have these days. So FF16 is for me a love letter to all who REALLY enjoys FF franchise.

[@gwendyguppy510]

Oh, I played the demo on my PC and runs very well. I have a 2060 rtx ASUS and AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, soooo I dont understand why some people are having issues. I can't complain about my PC.

[@makasete30]

I’m not sure how you can believe “it’s a love letter to the franchise to all who REALLY enjoyed the FF franchise” at all since it completely guts out almost all of the RPG mechanics and systems that many FF fans love in the franchise. Hell, even GoW is a game with a stronger RPG system. It doesn’t even have status effects. A love letter would be doing something new whilst keeping many of the same things that fans have loved throughout the series. The honeymoon period is over and as time has gone on, the reaction to the game has been more mixed. I expect the same with the PC release. This is a game mainly aimed at people who don’t like the series and have little attachment to it. The franchise is known for changing things up and I was always fine with that because they were RPGs, with a team of strong characters you put together, meaningful upgrades and rewarding exploration, but sadly FF16 was one of my most disappointing games last year. I haven’t played FF14 because even if some of the story is excellent a common complaint is the amount of very poor side quests that are there that do not respect the player’s time. Sadly, FF16 borrow directly from this has the poorest side quests of any main game. There’s much to enjoy for people who don’t like the other games in the series: fun action combat, albeit with little need to explore its depth. The Eikon battles are great and thrilling. The voice acting superb and I prefer its more mature style. The world and law is very interesting. And it has one of my favorite Cids. I get that many really like it. But when you say this is a love letter to anyone who really enjoys the franchise,it’s clearly not true in that it is so different from any that came before and throws away what many fans loved in the series and was in many of the previous games,especially. FF7 rebirth for all its faults, is an RPG that clearly is a love letter to the long time fans and retains many of the things fans of the series often say they love, which even its detractors can admit. I expect FF17 to bring back many of those things fans love as they were common criticisms from all who REALLY enjoy the `FF franchise.

[@wolfdragox5563]

@@gwendyguppy510 i have a RTX 4060 and i can barely reach 60 fps at 1080p, most graphical settings doesnt seem to have a particularly noticeable effect on my performance, not to mention the annoying sttutering, this isnt the final version yet so i expect some improvements on launch but so far this port isnt great also F* denuvo

[@itsaivan]

@@gwendyguppy510 do you have the 6GB or the 12GB version?

[@ridleyroid9060]

I have an R5 5600 and an RX 6600 and I definitely need to use FSR to do anything. It's not ideal but I guess it's better than nothing.

[@mistkeyblade]

Thank you for covering this game!

[@Skylancer727]

Textures looking low quality may be a VRAM limitation. Hardware Unboxed has shown that many new games when they max out your GPU's VRAM will now dynamically lower texture quality just to keep it from going to system memory.

[@rudolphdaniel5556]

Someone please tell me what's the best PC for this game. I know nothing regarding Graphic card. But I've been waiting for this game PC release for 1 year. If someone can leave me a link of what to buy or where to buy a whole PC that can run this game 4k 60fps. I would really appreciate it 🙏🏾

[@cagedpegasus]

As another comment said, i wouldnt enable frame gen. I have a 4080s + 7800X3D and my game crashed instanly after enabling. Its a pain to fix that stuff so dont even bother as of now. Maybe they'll update it. Pretty sad they have to update a demo tho

[@JamesBurdon-gu5yu]

i have zero issues with it on Get 150+ fps with a 4070tisuper max no issues but in other games i will same cpu as well

[@brianwilson7934]

I wonder if devs fail to address frame rate and texture issues not only because there's just not enough time to address all issues but because they assume community members will make their own patches and fixes and mods for their own specific needs?

[@y2everything223]

Capping in game framerate to 60fps with DLSS frame-gen on (screen framrate set to 120hz in game) was the only way I could get a steady 120fps without broad fluctuations (78 to 120) Ollie is right - DLAA seemed to help this title quite a bit so I changed the screen framerate setting to 100hz. This also ran smoother and looked more visually consistent compared to leaving the fps uncapped with frameg-gen.(Surpised framegen looks so smooth....little to no artifacting!) This is also another one of those titles where framegen creates severe tearing so I had to force the Nvidia Control Panel Vsync for this application.

[@xxnike0629xx]

I mean it's a demo so things will be improved when the final retail release comes out. Maybe by then the PS5 Pro will be a thing and they'll push out a PS5 Pro patch .

[@spyrochrisgaming]

Pre-rendered cutscenes locked at 30 FPS is a plague that needs to stop already. Fortunately a mod unlocks them.

[@Danilo_5809]

Its a video I see no problem

[@Vanity0666]

​@@Danilo_5809make the fmv more faster!

[@spyrochrisgaming]

@@Danilo_5809 when you're at 120 or more FPS and it suddenly drops to 30, then back to 120, then back to 30, it feels awful.

[@LukeLX]

I had an issue while deciding if to keep frame generation on or off, the game clearly went to like 2/3rds of the design speed and I wasn’t able to keep 60 fps in game, nor 30 in cutscenes. Only a game restart restored the correct execution, so I fear that playing with settings too much can just break the game.

[@hcwdjk]

1:20 I'm pretty sure that whole sequence is just a pre-rendered video

[@fenrirxii9749]

I think so too, all the examples shown with bad aliasing and artifacting are from FMV cutscenes, or at least I assume them to be pre-rendered because they have forced aspect ration, even with the ultrawide mod on.

[@86Fallowcp]

Nope, just parts of it, mostly the army fighting was cgi/pre rendered. Its like a mix of real time and cg, reason why 30 fps was kinda needed

[@hcwdjk]

Yep, I cheked. It's a 1440p bink video.

[@Vanity0666]

​@@fenrirxii9749any time there is large scale terrain deformation or a bunch of soldiers on screen for a battle it's fmv

[@nhecos2998]

With the frame rate unlock mod one can be pretty sure that everything that plays at 30fps is a pre-rendered cutscene.

[@dylantian9401]

The demo dropped from 60 fps to 30 and even 10 on the bridge before Benedictor's fight, and then came back. Must be some technical issue

[@iTzMako777]

The demo also shipped with the incorrect dlss3 frame gen dll file which caused my system to crash when enabling frame gen, had to fix it myself manually, idk if they fixed it yet but I did see an update to the demo, seems there are many dll files that where outdated

[@BlackGeine]

Strange thing is I played the demo on gtx 1070 and only at the first 20 seconds I had issues. It ran fine.

[@StephenH58]

Game is unplayable for me with my RTX 2060 6GB. This game needing 8GB VRAM minimum is insane....but that's probably the reason why my game is full of extreme frame drops and stutters. Even on the lowest setting with DLSS it drops frames like crazy. Guess I'll just have to skip this game entirely.

[@0HawkEyes]

​​​@@StephenH58I'm having the same problem with my rtx 3050 laptop. I've waited for this game and now I'll skip it cause Square isn't interested in optimization. Well, if Borderlands 3 can run on Nintendo Switch with more than 30 fps, ff16 could run on a dlss GPU. We just got used to theses companies bad optimization.

[@HardyDimension]

I also found that the graphic quality seems not really at the level that we set e.g: Ultra or High Preset...like not HD enough or detail enough👀

[@UltimateLF]

Was it 1.00 or 1.01 patch, because they fixed blurry textures with dlss with this patch and stuttering was reduced significantly

[@Roodoca]

Would be nice if they noted that here, kind of annoying.

[@wolfdragox5563]

stuttering is about the same for me, but dlss working properly now was a nice improvement

[@UltimateLF]

@wolfdragox5563 okay about stuttering not sure, it may be because I was playing second time and it already had shaders to tun it smooth. But dlss is fixed at least. But problem with frame gen is not fixed. At first tutorial I'm not receiving hint messages with frame gen, ui is missed

[@wolfdragox5563]

@@UltimateLF from what i understand, this game doesn’t have actual “shader compilation stutter”, bc the stuttering can be triggered regardless of how many times you play one area of the game, i’m not sure what’s going on

[@SussyBaka_irl]

SE have committed to more of their of their franchises, including FF coming to Xbox & PC day 1, so I'm kinda curious if we'll see improved PC builds of their software & what titles from their back catalogue could arrive on both platforms, especially when XSX is lacking a bunch of the recent releases that PS5 & PC both possess.

[@dangir1783]

yes it is a bit shameful that at the end of Fantasy XV they integrated dlss 1.3 which is terrible Blur the images because Square Enix does not update their products even though they continue to sell

[@BlackTone91]

How do you know if FF coming to Xbox & PC day 1 when FF was never mentioned in their announcement?

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

We'll see when kh4 comes out next year. I think that's their next big game. Although do we even know if it's coming to xbox yet? Last time I heard platforms were unannounced.

[@NextGenCeoTV]

Over 100 hours i give FF16 on PS5. And when i downloaded the demo for my PC and run with RX 7900XT and Ryzen 7 7800X3D, omg... I wish the 100 hours spend on PC not on PS5 gameplay. Just PC graphics is with Frame Gen, FSR 3 and everything is way more advance than PS5.

[@marioe.4400]

PS3 - FFXIII: Hair Aliasing; PS4 - FFVII Remake: Hair Aliasing; PS5 - FFXVI: Hair Aliasing; PS6 - Final Hair: (problem solved).

[@LeviAckerman-lb3zr]

They should’ve increased the cutscene fps for high end pc rig but they stayed 30 fps all throughout

[@thetruth44444]

I pre ordered it already, it's amazing

[@Something9008]

I bet the stuttering is asset streaming - it seems to persist on the very low resolution. If it the combat is 60fps I'll be happy.

[@hobbitangra]

Talk about the issue with processors without AVX2, like Intel of 3th and 4th generations, that simply don't run

[@engulfinglightning6726]

I know that rtx 2070s is like rtx 3060, but try to use 3060 12gb, is the most used gpu right now in steam

[@SolidMGSnake]

No doubt a PS5 Pro upgrade will come too

[@Invertedzero]

The detail differences are nice to have for qol to have a best version of the game going forward, but its also getting to the point of - does anyone really care, does it practically make any difference to the experience any more? Performance is arguably more important

[@TheFirstRealChewy]

Essentially, the PC version is basically just the PS5 game ported. Its not really taking advantage of the PC. So it going to look and run the same on the PS5 Pro.

[@Centrioless]

Watch the video. The first min literally showed how big of an upgrade the pc version is 🤦‍♂️

[@sonicadv27]

I don’t know what folks were expecting. The game already looked pretty good on the PS5 but optimization was already an issue. It had no business being a 30 fps game even looking as good as it did.

[@truthseeker6532]

Did you use Reshade with the PC version though? Reshade and PC gaming go hand in hand. Also, a friend of mine did comparison of his console games to my PC and it has always been a night and day difference. He is a PC gamer now account of it. Which, people saying not that far from each other type of talks console to PC= Not honest. Like people pushing cheap affordable cars to expensive ones and tell people they are close to each other talks = Not Honest. They widdle down this and that to the point making a person feel better for owning what is cheap = That is what Console talk to PC does. A bad on purpose port however, can take away the capabilities of the PC. For love for PC on purpose is not their by the devs or don't want to put in the effort.

[@cjjohnson_86]

I think a more fair comparison would be on a cost equivalent built PC ($400). Otherwise its superiority seems reliant on the depth of your wallet.

[@DroneCorpse]

that’s pc gaming tho. Most people are not under the pretense that pc hardware is more cost effective or efficient.

[@cjjohnson_86]

@@DroneCorpse I get that, but I’m referring to it for a comparison sake. To use high end PC performance metrics as the poster child for pc gaming superiority is a little disingenuous, Especially when most pc gamers don’t have those rigs due to it being out of reach. Nonetheless, I am curious to see how an equivalent build will stack up.

[@Ladiesman-js3kt]

The demo is awesome, but this is the first game I've had to play on low to get 60ps (2070s). Luckily the game still looks great.

[@newsephry1743]

denuvo prolly fcking up this games performance

[@gothpunkboy89]

Only by a frame or two. Honestly the denuvo complains are over blown.

[@JamesBurdon-gu5yu]

@@gothpunkboy89 False. Adds 30+Ms of latency popin, modding restriction and -15fps makes compatibility worse ect

[@gothpunkboy89]

@@JamesBurdon-gu5yu Is that why Dishonor has or had it and the only frame rate difference was a handful?

[@JamesBurdon-gu5yu]

@@gothpunkboy89 You can even spell your lies properly 🤣, you mean the people paid for by denuvo that falsley compared the pefomance to a non activated denuvo copy 🤣🤣 any game analysed shows lower frames, higher latenvy and significantly incresed loading times and reduced rate of asset streaming.

[@gothpunkboy89]

@@JamesBurdon-gu5yu Love you claim I'm lying when you show no proof.

[@hitsukora]

Bit of ghosting for me even over 60 fps, kinda disappointed.

[@user-hb2fv2jn9c]

For this game, only FSR upscale look sharp images ,DLSS look blurry

[@ComboDamageTV]

Cutscenes aside, the whole game ran smooth for me. Actually made me regret buying it early on PS5.

[@SprDrumio64]

Wondering how much Denuvo will fuck up the final launch

[@Paddyhudson]

Seems like Alex’s experience is echoed on both the Steam Deck and the ROG Ally; maybe it’s an AMD issue?

[@mattmanley7118]

I can get a solid 60 but 120 nope certainly not a solid 120 but at times it’s close. Granted I’ll be happy with any FPS over 60 being a console convert but it’s not consistent at all. Graphics settings mid to high also I can’t see much of a difference. 30 FPS cutscenes locked strangely does NOT bother my eyes but going from those to suddenly higher framerates yea it’s a tad jarring. I wonder why they aren’t uncapped on PC? Surely patches to follow will lessen frame drops spikes etc. Apparently they fixed the demos visual quality?? FSR3 Native AA (no upscaling just FSR AA and access to sharpening) With frame Gen on OR FSR3 Quality Re sharpen as desired and Frame Gen on should be a near perfect 60 fps lock in 1440p but GPU will vary obviously. I do wish and hope the final product will be far improved at launch but idk it’s an SE port.

[@davidbrown6976]

Im playing on steam deck and its abysmal. I need some help with the settings. Im coming straight from console with no pc experience. Help me Please!

[@Rashimotosan]

Square has done this before, releasing old build demos before game releases. Guaranteed they just tweaked a few small things from the ps5 quality version and uncapped the main gameplay and put it out. It's def not a pc quality and not indicative of final product. Square can't seem to reconcile that releasing a polished demo is a stronger message than just putting anything out and hoping story alone will grasp people.

[@via_negativa6183]

Yeah ill be waiting for rebirth....

[@Planets965]

Man I’m just glad I get a smooth 60fps on this PC demo. The PS5 Demo was a huge turn off for me and a massive WTF for what’s billed as an action game

[@MentalElfAmbassador]

My weak, feeble 4080 super will crumble under the pressure of the titan fight

[@qb3540]

Square needs to talk to Capcom and figure out what they're doing when it comes to PC/Console Optimization

[@zZiL341yRj736]

They're both ass.

[@watchmejumpstart24]

Different engines

[@Centrioless]

Ppl are so quick to forget abt dragon dogma 2 🤦‍♂️

[@tomsimmons7673]

Square sucks at PC ports. That's been obvious since FFVII Remake.

[@deathtrooper2048]

Nah, since ffxiii at least

[@schmuwu]

At least since original FFVII

[@timestopMachinist]

i had no issues with ffvii remake, not sure what you mean. played it on ps4, then 100%ed when it dropped on steam. at the time, i was running an i7-6700, gtx 1060, 16gb ram

[@cizzymac]

@@timestopMachinist The Steam release of Remake was not the initial PC release. It was on EGS for a full year exclusively.

[@hanamusic6614]

​@@cizzymacIt's still a PC release anyway.What the weirdo

[@JayJayYUP]

10:35 why would they need to use this to improve the final game.. all it takes is three computers to demonstrate the disastrous performance this has on all fronts. From the laughable temporal solutions that can't even fulfill their definitions of Anti Aliasing (DLAA), to the god awful texture filtering, and finally the baffling framerate for a game that doesnt even look current gen. The fact they have courage to even release this is utterly stunning. Sheer lunacy other than some legal contractual thing that forced developers to stick to some corporate mandated promise at all costs.

[@danny3120]

Shows what an amazing machine the PS5 is. You literally can't even spot the difference from this KZbin video. Having a 4000 dollar PC just for gaming is a complete waste of money. The PS5 Pro is more than likely to give similar results as your high end PC here, for a fraction of the price.

[@Vanity0666]

The ps5 doesn't do a hundredth of the stuff a pc can do though Average builds aren't $4k, and the builds in this video range from about $750-1.5k In comparison you are paying $500+ for a base model PS5 which can exclusively play games and watch movies. On my pc I'm writing and recording music, editing video, doing art projects, playing video games, doing work tasks, etc. (And I have access to literally every game ever published on pc by doing nothing more than a google search)

[@danny3120]

@@Vanity0666 He literally said he used a recent high end pc. I did also specify *just for gaming* Not to mention you ain't getting a decent pc under 1k unless you already got a case and cooling, mouse etc. With PS5 you get a 80e controller with it.

[@elijah5682]

Yeah I'm honestly glad I got this on PS5. I had the same takeaway on the ghost of tsushima comparison. Came years later than the PS5 release, with no major difference in performance/graphics. Don't see the point of waiting to get these PC versions instead of playing it at launch years ago.

[@tony2763]

It won't play at all on my Readeon 480. My CPU is AMD 5 5600. Any other game will play on it.

[@Zoomy222]

The demo itself was pretty disappointing. I feel like my performance was way better before the patch. When the second eidolon battle happened it dropped to 12 fps. But the game was like MGS4. Walk 10 feet watch a uninteresting Cinema, walk 15 feet another Cinema. I'll admit the last 20 minutes of the demo were pretty great so I'll keep my eye on it.

[@BigAndTattooed]

I grew up with the real Final fantasy games miss the turn base. But i was suprised the demo was pretty good

[@Gf0rc31]

I tried it on my 2060 and it wasnt playable at that point even on ultra perf 😅

[@SpoonyOrbit]

they need a pc dev kit lol

[@MrBaller4Life14]

I am HEAPS turned off.... No way am I paying money for something that will perform close to as bad as the demo.

[@WidePhotographs]

Problems with the demo? Good thing it’s just the demo.

[@KrazzeeKane]

0:48 why does the ps5 version look way better and more cinematic here with the phoenix in the tunnel? Is there better motion blur or something? Theres a definite cinematic quality to the ps5 comparison vs the pc version in this particular scene, and the ps5 looks better in this particular example imo

[@fenix_tx_1342]

It's the frame rate, the PS5 version doesn't hold 60, at that particular moment it's actually worse, it more like 35fps or something like that, you can look up performance videos. I played the game at 30 on PS5 since it was so unstable

[@runner9528]

Is the guy on the right new?

[@KarimJovianGames]

DLSSS and DLAA is not the silver bullet sadly it won't look great on every game. A bit blurry from what I see

[@Denu85]

WTF the game has no ultrawide support. that is an abomination.

[@dapperfan44]

It turns out that my 2016 prebuilt with a GTX 1070 can run it at 60 frames as long as I turn the resolution down to 720P. Yeah, it doesn't look THAT great, but it looks good enough. I already have it on PS5 (it's 99% my wife's game though), but I always love finding opportunities to see how my PC can stack up next to my PS5.

[@Anthony-zl9ow]

Lossless scaling 4x framegen gets the cutscenes to 120fps. The stutter is still there though

[@double4iampoor]

pc looks blurry

[@iconofsin4578]

Any word about xbox port?

[@moazph]

The graphics is very bad on pc

[@misternoone6936]

Many*

[@lilpain1997]

Yeah no Ultrawide. That's a huge problem for me.

[@REDEEMERWOLF]

Pc gamers so spoiled it's crazy

[@tehf00n]

I downloaded the demo. 2 hours later I was done. I had watched 90 minutes of cut scene with less than 30 minutes of gameplay as I stopped to eat. Why would anyone start a game like that? I love a good FF cutscene, and the brutality of FFXVI was a shock tbh, but I wanted gameplay in my demo.

[@1chibanKasuga]

Bc they use the tactic of you continue were you left off. After finish the demo that caris save date you unlock the 1 with gameplay

[@Vanity0666]

My ass loves watching final fantasy cutscenes

[@SprDrumio64]

Did you play the second half of the Demo??? It's literally almost all combat

[@qT_p13]

Ever heard of a series called "Metal Gear?"

[@XxbiohazardxX223]

looks like FFXIV, tbh

[@thegantz87]

Can’t even provide ultrawide in a 2024 triple A. HARD PASS

[@fallb0rn]

Square Enix is a joke when it comes to optimizing their games. I remember when they promised in a QnA before release that they would fix the performance on PS5. We are still waiting for that patch and it will never happen. No wonder it runs like shit.

[@CarlosMendez-wn8xl]

FF7 Remake all over again

[@doomslayer8985]

Even much worse

[@usul573]

@@doomslayer8985 In what way is FF16 much worse than FF7 Remake on PC?

[@wingedhussar1453]

I like the graphics but the art style in here is so ugly.its like soenthing off ps2

[@YuriTardedTarded]

Fromsoft and Square Enix probably has some of the most incompetent programmers in the japanese side of the gaming ecosystem. It wouldn't surprise me, FFXIV lives through spaghetti code and if XVI is a evolution of XIV's Engine, It would probably have similar limitations and flaws akin to bethesda's creation engine.

[@JamesBrown-xb7yi]

Terrible game gets a terrible port not surprised lol

[@Phil_529]

Port seems fine, the demo got several patches.

[@mioszrybus340]

How much do you have to give to buy a pc wich can run ps5 level games. I know pc does more but hey i can also stream on ps5 or watch youtube or write so whats the deal. Pc should be much much much more stronger so why are they barely stronger(in some games alot but mostly barely)why do i have to put 5000 dollar on pc to play something 500 bucks can play. Whats the deal pc should be stronger has way more power so why cant they use that power. is windows using like 5 ps5 worthy of computing power just to run windows. It was always like this even when ps3 was around ps games were just a little bit better. Paying 5000 for a pc i expect to play any game cyberpunk full rt in 8k without any hassle how the hell are pc way more powerfull where the hell does that power go or are they just not using all that power. I dont understand whats going on pc are more powerfull i understand but what the hell is that power used for is windows such a tough program. Its no longer can it run crysis but can it run windows lol.

[@mioszrybus340]

And if it's the fault of the game creators how the hell does the 500 bucks box play their coded mess

[@diffusion-ai]

FF16 engine sucks ass even on PC, what a fail.

[@12coco100]

It sucks on console too. If it runs bad on consoles it gonna be bad on PC

[@lord_vynos]

Looks like an awful port, I actually couldn't wait to play this so I bought a PS5, weirdly enough it seems like I made the proper decision.

[@Phil_529]

LOL not at all

[@harrifongostudios]

I tried it on my steam deck… runs like ASS

[@massterwushu9699]

The drop to 30 fps for cutscenes is extremely jarring. Other than that it runs pretty smoothly at 1440p native with a 7800xt

[@5persondude]

I mean, I was expecting it to have problems on Steam Deck considering that this game was made for the PS5 specifically, although it still hurts to see the Deck struggle regardless

[@yourlocalhuman3526]

@@massterwushu9699 does it drop to 30 on pc too?

[@doctormister169]

So it meets the expected result?

[@MarbleGiant]

Well, it is the Switch of the PC world.

[@zZiL341yRj736]

Bring Rebirth on, I don't really cared about 16.

[@sengan2475]

The game being bad is one of the largest of those problems

[@sengan2475]

Your cpu is at 80% usage and youre asking why its stuttering...put a 5700x in there and retest

[@doomslayer8985]

Why this game is eating so much the cpu overhead while there's no deep NPC AI, advanced physics, level complexity and such

[@fred420]

The demo was ass... Why is there next to no lighting in the game, at times it looks like a ps4 game.