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[@mobfodder8992]

A note about cleric stance people forget, it didn't buff/nerf damage and healing as a modifier. It straight up swapped your Mind and Intelligence stats

[@ImperiousMax]

There were straight up times in HW if you forgot to turn it off and it caused someone to die it would always be a "death by cleric stance" thing.

[@blackfox4138]

I remember having a "Whatever old man" moment with my grandfather one time. And with eyes filled with spite, he pointed an old boney finger at me saying, "You're next." I don't think I understood what he meant until now.

[@SwordOfPersona]

My old man moments happen in the crystal tower raids, "I remember when people had to use mechanics to get through boss fights."

[@UmatsuObossa]

In 1.0 you could complete the BASE msq (Yoshi-P changed that fast) could be completed without EVER fighting anything...and could be done by DoH/L. You did "Parley" (yes, that minigame in the inn) instead of fight if you chose to. There was visible belts, but also ammo slot, and 2 slots above ammo where literally nothing ever went in them so no one knows what they were for. Conjuror did ALL the basic elemental attacks, and Thaumaturge only dealt with light/dark attacks, like Bio and Dia. You couldn't play Arcanist nor Machinist, but they still had guilds and there were some Arcanist NPCs that could give you an idea of what Arcanist was ORIGINALLY going to be. They used a weird alembic type device on a long pole rather than a book, and they didn't have pets, but casted buffs/debuffs revolving around time. There were minor stat differences between races and what diety you chose affected your elemental resistance. There was "class exp/rank" and "physical exp/level". Your class rank worked like your job level now...but with physical level, your character had its own level that remained static (or increasing) even if you switched classes. You could see both moons (Menphina and Dalamud) in the sky from the behinning, with Dalamud NOT red, visibly orbiting Menphina over time. Also Menphina appeared MUCH further away than it does now. GMs would occasionally do spontaneous mini real-time events where they would roleplay as an MSQ NPC and wander into a town or camp to actually interact with the players in person. I personally saw Nael Van Darnus visit Camp Drybone, and Urianger visit Uldah. Urianger did less interpersonal exchanges with people, but he did pause from prophesying to look at me and cast hour-long Arcanist buffs on me. But speaking of camps....literally ALL camps were semi-fenced in circles with literally just a couple of tents, and an aetheryte and a campfire. There were WAY more camps and larger maps (most places having become inaccessible, and the places in La Noscea straight-up sinking into the sea). The maps were so large that there was "aether points" (aethernet) out in the worldmaps (but NOT in towns). Teleporting to the aetherpoints from their appointed aetherytes was free, but teleporting to an aetheryte cost not gil, but a resource called 'anima' that recharged over time. I don't remember exactly what teleport cost or what max anima or regen rate was, but it was SOMETHING like you could hold maybe 20 anima at once, and they recharged at about 7 anima in 24 hours, and it cost 3 anima to teleport...so it was like you had only 2-3 teleports a day. It was common practice to just set your home point before you left town and strip naked and kill yourself when you were ready to go back, as there were NO chocobos and no airships, and it took approximately 45 minutes to run from one town to the other. There was no jump, but there was tiny land elevations you had to walk around everywhere.....EVERYWHERE. Traveling anywhere was dangerous as level cap was 50, but there was often level 80-99 mobs just walking around waiting to one-shot you. Coerthas didn't have snow, the Black Shroud was a literal maze, and the West Shroud existed. Dungeons weren't instances, and there was no limit on the number of people who could go in at one time. You didn't have to form parties, but if you wanted to, you could form one up to 24 people in one party. There were now non-existent dungeons such as the Mun-Tuy Cellars, Shposhae, and Nanawa Mines. There were no jobs, only classes. And no VO other than English. All classes could wear all gear at all levels. If you weren't wearing something "recommended" for your class/level, the stats would just scale down to almost nothing, leaving them as essentially fashion items. It was common for people to wear best stat gear when out in the field, but in town put on just whatever they thought looked best. There was realistic movement physics. You would have to gain some momentum to get moving, and the inertia would have you take a few steps to slow before stopping. You turned or reversed direction exactly like real life people do, actually pivoting and everything, and you would lean into every turn as you ran along. The sharper the turn, the more you leaned. It made dodging tricky but looked great. Also, there was NO telegraphed attacks...you just had to learn and memorize what enemy attack patterns were. It wasn't just your shoes that made different sounds based on what you stepped on...ALL of your clothes made realistic soft sounds as you moved, varying by what materials your clothes were made of. Strictly lorewise, the Black Shroud elementals looked like element-base faeries, and there was 'greenwrath' that you'd be marked by if you did ANYTHING even remotely bad (woodsin) in the forest. If you got enough of it, the elementals would abduct you into a different plane of existence where you'd lose your mind and sense of self, and sometimes be able to reach the real would, but essentially as some kind of shade, and from then out be called a "wildling" and given up for lost. The echo functioned differently. You would be participating in any flashbacks, and though unable to actually change reality, you COULD interact with people within the echo and alter the outcome of just the flashback. There's definitely a lot more, but I'm tired. I might come back and add more in a reply to this comment if people ate actually interested in hearing about what i remember about 1.0, especially launch version.

[@oopsydaisy5141]

Omg this was insane and great at the same time! I DO WANNA HEAR MORE ;w; My brother was the one who played a bit on 1.0 launch but the specs you needed on a computer were too high that he couldnt play as much so he left it. Only came back to 2.0 and I also joined him at 2.1 but I have always been curious about 1.0

[@williek08472]

The racial stat differences are still in the game, but they're so minor and inconsequential that nobody really notices

[@randommaster06]

Players: "We want the game to be more complicated." Devs: "We did that, and everyone left."

[@obviouslykaleb7998]

the game was less fun. tedium does not equal complication; food buffs are not complicated, as the only complication involved is either looking up "X primary stats," or piecing it together via your own stat sheet. yet, having to sit for 20 seconds before every pull as in WoW to get another food buff is tedious. having to wait for the AST to get the right cards pre pull was tedious, being entirely unable to play despite loving and knowing your job because of low TP is tedious, pre-nerf ARR was tedious. if complication were itself an issue that the devs were trying to avoid, SGE's -"kardia"- _eukrasia_ button wouldn't be a thing, and it would follow the same lines as every other healer in the game. it is, after all, one of two most recently added classes and therefore most accurately reflects their current job design. if complication were an issue, the dev's fix for DRK's Living Dead wouldn't be the veritable essay of "ifs," "ands" and "buts" it is now. if complication were an issue, hunts and hunt stuff would be much less complicated than they are now, not requiring you to go through all of the disconnected questlines in sequential order in order to even begin doing current content. if complication were an issue, the storyline would have a summary before and after each expansion, so you can catch up. if complication were an issue, new mechanics would either be perfectly explained beforehand or wouldn't ever have any real variation. no, complication is not why they're changing the game so drastically. they're _CASUALIZING_ it, explicitly because they're concerned that non-mmo players wont be able to "enjoy the story." it's the sort of brazen, scorched earth "as long as more people can have it, i don't care if the steakhouse starts serving literal garbage instead of steak" philosophy. it makes no sense, because it disregards the nature of the thing, but we're here regardless and all we can do is protest future changes. edit: totally forgot about the lack of auto-combo, giving NIN a more uniform buff instead of the ever so slightly different trick attack they had, the changes to healer's GCDs meaning that weave windows are now always open, the changes to SAM's kit making no sense under the guise of less complication for its' own sake (kenki is a dead mechanic now, for instance), and im certain im forgetting much more. the game isn't getting less complicated for its' own sake; the fact that they're adding skills to classes every expansion shows that outright. it's just a new, suffocating ideology that demands changes that are toxic to the very playerbase they've built up over the years.

[@randommaster06]

@@obviouslykaleb7998 I appreciate the dedication to replying to my throwaway post.

[@foxdavion6865]

Raiding in Stormblood was so hard that normal Omega raids were as difficult as Extreme trials, I wish I was joking and it wasn't because of the fight itself, but because of the way jobs were balanced at the time. In Heavensward it was worse, in Heavensward there were jobs that were simply unviable for raiding, such as Paladin. In SB and HW both, there were jobs in the game which no one played, such as Dark Knight, Machinist, Ninja and Paladin. End game Heavensward was *always* Main Tank Warrior, Second Tank Dark Knight. In Stormblood it was always Main Tank Warrior, Second Tank Paladin. Very few guilds cleared the final 4 Savage SB raids when it was current content, a lot of statics and guilds were always one tier behind, often not finishing until only a month before Shadowbringers released. Most people gave up entirely on raiding Savage and went to do Eureka instead as it was *easier*. That's how mechanically hard it used to be.

[@randommaster06]

@@foxdavion6865 Content being over-tuned AND required is always a pain. I've got some stories about non-mmo games, but nothing really compares to raid bosses being cranked up to 11.

[@BOBBYJOE96]

The problem every long running game has is that over time the new stuff starts to make the old stuff look worse than it is. It’s like power creep in moba’s. In the beginning everything is roughly equal but then 5 years later you have this 1 thing that can do all of those first things BUT BETTER. And the old things just can’t compete anymore. But people love those old relics, so the devs go aight, rather than get rid of it like we should, we’ll try to change the entire foundation to fit the new stuff.

[@Metatagz666]

There is also a "secret boss" in dun scaith. Before patch 3.55a a boss called Shadowcourt Handmaiden used to appear instead of Proto ultima. This bos can still be seen if no one in the alliance has taken the repeatable quest "Unidentified Flying Object"

[@Betacandy.]

Yeah! And the boss could even drop a weapon.. "Blood Weapon", you can buy it in the Gold Saucer before tho. But i find the lil' touch nice xD

[@KuroHanji]

I remember that boss being called Halicarnusus (or something) until they the omega raids came in Stormblood.

[@ryuichiro.sakuraba]

Astrologian cards had such diversity back then - Balance is a damage buff (which is basically all cards now), Bole is a % damage mitigation, Arrow is Haste, Spear is recast time reduction (think long oGCDs being up faster when used under this buff as 20%) until it was changed to a crit chance buff, Ewer is MP cost reduction until changed to MP refresh, Spire is a TP cost reduction, until changed to TP refresh. AST twisted the battlefield when it comes to outgoing and incoming damage, durations and resources. Plus there was a way to increase the buff potency, extend the duration of the card played, and spread out the buffs to the party, at the expense of "burning" a card before you play the one you wish to modify. Think about AoE Balance (which was generally the best case scenario) that you need to pray to the Twelve that you pull off - sometimes even the raid waits for the AST to prepare the cards before pulling. Oh, AST-provided buffs being extended was a thing back then too - there was Time Dilation for a single target buff extension (to a party member except yourself), plus an AoE version with Celestial Opposition (which doesn't heal - it was a stun, but is also used for extending buffs, including those you cast on yourself). If you got lucky with the draws, it was phenomenal.

[@TaaraTheDarkness]

Yeh i miss the old cards they were way more fun to use.

[@Calvinooi]

I got a feeling that if the old Arrow and Spear are still here today, people are not gonna like it as it will drift their rotations and cooldowns respectively heavily

[@rajabuta]

Ah yes. Getting balance from AST in raids was a badge of honor. 🤣

[@RyuSaarva]

@@Calvinooi some people certainly, personally though I stopped using astro when the cards got changed.

[@LordEverlost]

AST was so fun in 3.0 tossing out Spirals to monks and arrow to blms so they could go nuts. Also if you hated the monk you could give him arrow and watch his tp evaporate.

[@HyperfixationWizard]

I remember one of the things the developers said during an interview for I think ARR, is that a potted plant in 1.0 had more polygons than a player character in 2.0 onwards, and that's what caused a lot of lag and server issues. They were basically trying to make Black Desert before we had the technology to run Black Desert.

[@KuroHanji]

No wonder the grapes poor textures xD-

[@Tardisntimbits]

During Prae, during the one monologue from Gaius, you used to have options to answer him when he asks for who do you fight, and then another section as well.

[@KZorander]

I always wondered why you just make a face at him instead of even fake answering!

[@darkencroix6412]

@12:52 And the Glamour Chest didn't exist, so you had to hold onto the things you wanted to use for Glamour. Oh, and you had to dye the piece itself before you glamoured with it, so if you used an expensive dye, you just got a new piece if you wanted to use it elsewhere. Glamour was actually an inventory nightmare.

[@ToxisFaux]

I learned New players that come to the game are gonna have a different experience then when I started. I am an oldie, joined for arr beta on the ps3. I will remember everything if its mentioned. Paladin didnt have a damaging aggro aoe. We had flash. It was a struggle because we didnt have as much aggro generation as we do today. A black mage fart could steal aggro if pld didnt spam flash and cycle aggro combo. Cause flash wasnt a damage move and a % of the aggro would be from the damage you cause. So big dongle dips would steal a mob or two. We didnt earn gil from dungeons and there wasnt desything items back then. if you wanted materia the gear would be destroyed in the process. We had elemental materia that i think you can still see on the board. It was strange times back then.

[@abavendarlocke5455]

i member having to level bard to get the "quelling strikes" ability so I didn't create too much enmity as a blm, and even then it sometimes wasn't enough haha! Great times :')

[@Calvinooi]

OHH extracting materia destroys the gear! I played since ARR 2.2 and I came back in ShB. Everyone had the habit of extracting materia and I was questioning it so hard XD

[@ryno4ever433]

OMG man Paladin flash in early levels was such a struggle. I also played on the beta during PS3.

[@YuubiTimberwolf]

The main reason i became an omni-crafter was because cross-class skills YES, to be a good crafter YOU HAD TO LEVEL ALL

[@DracoTheBlack]

As a FF boomer, most changes are good but they have overcorrected in a bunch of cases.

[@patrickkimberlin3209]

I feel the game is most definitely dumbed down. As a tank, anyone can tank with minimal effort, and I remember when we to rotate single target attacks to maintain hate.

[@UmbraWeiss]

@@patrickkimberlin3209 7month in the future, the game still get's even dumber , at this point i think they want to transform the entire game a very very casual solo game.

[@CelloMet89]

What about Accuracy?... we had a sub stat called Accuracy that determined whether you could hit the target or miss It... and there were different Accuracy caps for the front, rear or flank so tanks had to hit a specific cap so that they wont miss the target and could hold aggro.

[@LucasBernardesRosa]

And you HAD to hit stuff because if you missed you'd lose your combo and need to start back up from the first hit. And tanks had to hit the target with specific emnity generation combos because Tank Stance wasn't the 10x bonus it is today, so you could just not generate enough aggro because your emnity combos kept getting broken on misses.

[@darkencroix6412]

I remember leveling Conjurer so my BLM could use Cure 1 when the Healer refused to Heal in low level dungeons. Oh yeah, that was a thing that actually happened to me more times than I could count.

[@hkoizumi3134]

I also remember leveling Ninja so I can use Death Blossom for my Paladin. When Flash failed, Death Blossom held better enmity. Good times.

[@cappucCyn]

I healed a dungeon as a blackmage when the healer disconnected. That’s how I found out I was good at healing. Sometimes I miss cross class skills.

[@bread7932]

As a Black Mage who started a month ago i envy that 17k mana.

[@Hyskaris]

if it makes you feel any better, the MP costs for fire spells were like triple what they are now. MP scaled with your level

[@BabyShenanigans]

I started playing during the preview weekend for 1.0. I'm about as oldschool as it gets lmao. The major thing I remember (besides spirit dart spam) was that your MP did not regen until you went back to an aetheryte. I would walk out into the maze of Black Shroud corridors, kill like 3 mobs, and then have to walk back to whatever settlement and touch the aetheryte to regen mana. It SUCKED. Thankfully they fixed that really fast. But man. Y'all have no idea how fucking broken this game was when it first came out lmao.

[@foxdavion6865]

The old Glamour system with the different types of prisms was removed when the devs added the Glam Dresser to the game along with glam plates a few months after Stormblood released. Before then actually having the gold saucer title for getting 100% in the dress up comp was a big deal purely because of the tedium involved. Back then no one bothered with glamming at all while they were levelling. Now everyone glams, it's actually abnormal when people don't glam.

[@zalazand4689]

Crossclass skill that was the most controversial was swiftcast. All healers had to level THM to 26 in order to properly raise people. A lot of the weird design is stuff they carried over from 11 somewhat and didn't really ask if it makes the game better by doing this.

[@MarsStarcruiser]

I loved 11. I can understand why they made things the way they are now but I personally would have enjoyed that earlier system personally.

[@Satorrah]

Ahh... as a player since 2.1 you brought out my boomer nostalgia and I love it. I miss the days leveling THM up to get "Swiftcast" only to grief/troll my tank by cross-classing "Flash" in Toto-Rak. So many memes to cover >:D

[@ryno4ever433]

Raging Strikes on black mage.

[@Rakuraiji]

1.x and ARR sure have been a wild ride. But tbh, I somehow miss the cross-class skills and some of the skills they took away from us. I remember that I specifically leveled alchemist back then for a certain skill, which they since have removed.

[@c-loslando8420]

Cleric stance is in Bozja content. You can use it on any healer. They updated it to a gap closer and it also applies a debuff to enemy to take more damage.

[@thebigg3416]

Cleric Stance. As SCH, it was the best shit since our fairy are not affected by it. Our Lustrate are % HP based and not potency, so we aren't affected by cleric stance either. WHM were crying back then! Then they just keep nerfing ScH every expansion lmao

[@Lord_Sunday]

Bruh don’t act like whm has had it any better. The devs seriously need to pull their finger out and fix the healing jobs. They don’t even have a plan.

[@TranceGurl20]

I miss the old Selene it was so fun raiding with sch and using her to buff others ugh it's lame now

[@zeninspriggan794]

@@Lord_Sunday they need to put AST back I can't play it properly gahhhhhhh

[@Calvinooi]

I remember macroing embrace to my ruin, so whenever I cast ruin my fairy will heal the enemy's target

[@redhoodswraith]

Fairies and other summons counting in stack markers was a wild time in release t5. SCH was a ridiculously awesome time back in 2.x

[@crystalgoddess4085]

The old glamour prism system was such an inventory hog, I am so glad they made it just the one glamour prism. The worst thing that I'm glad is no longer in it was needing to level a secondary class to unlock your job, one I remember was needing to get Archer to level 15 when you have Thaumaturge at level 30 to unlock Black Mage.

[@patrickkimberlin3209]

I tell this to kids all the time,"back in my day"....plus....I played 11, talked about old, I played 11 pre 75 cap even.

[@BOBBYJOE96]

I still remember the game being so awful square enix actually resorted to emailing previous subscribers basically pleading with them to come back when ARR first dropped.

[@jamsrjp]

The good thing about the cross class skills youcan also get the attack buffs from the other classes like raging strikes and blood for blood.

[@nnymeia7663]

oh yeah ifrit dying to tank busters is one of my fondest memories ❤️🤣

[@kastorcaster]

Doing UWU during stormblood and losing my egi to Ifrit's first TB made me want to cry. I ALWAYS forgot to move him.

[@nnymeia7663]

@@kastorcaster i feel your pain so much

[@samwilkinson9309]

I love how in HW, PLD only had flash for AOE aggro and I don't think could pull any aoe damage abilities if I recall correctly, so it was all single target and you had MP for your only aoe, which was also a CD as it blinded enemies to make them liable to miss, that was fun for pulling aggro while trying to do damage (Not that you could much with the 30% reduction.) I started playing back then, hated PLD when I was in ARR, somehow came to like it by HW and have mained PLD ever since. I enjoy simple classes and it was pretty simple, more's been added but I'm so comfortable with it now, sometimes I forget it's not that simple go to easy class it used to be. It's still pretty easy comparatively but the addition of the spells mixes it up a bit more than dot combo, few royal authority combos and back to dot combo.

[@virgilherring581]

We have lost many, many abilities over the years, but none hurt quite so badly as the loss of the completely badass animation of Wide Volley.

[@milat9287]

I miss Scholar Doton now.. It wasn't actually Doton, but it might aswell have been xD Twas called Shadow Flare

[@dinovoldo544]

Ah, my Paladin that has Cure, Protect and Fracture.

[@TheRealLink]

I miss using Bard LB3. Ok well, maybe for those couple runs in Titan EX where I saved the run for a clear... but yeah it was a neat and thematic choice for sure. Glad we've gotten DPS-oriented LB3s now.

[@Xbob42]

Remember when we had to run back to aetheryte crystals to get our MP refilled because it didn't happen naturally? 1.0 was a helluva time.

[@TheBonkleFox]

Wait, WHAT?! Even XI has natural mp regen what the fuck were the 1.0 devs thinking with that?!

[@MarsStarcruiser]

Wasn’t there a resting mechanic that you had to be outside of combat, but it took a long time?

[@Xbob42]

@@TheBonkleFox Apparently whoever uploaded this has any links set to auto-delete (or perhaps hold for moderation) comments, which is why my two replies are missing that I posted a few days ago. So instead of giving you the link, if you google "mp regen a bit too much" you'll see the first result should be the official forums with a thread title like that. It's a blast from the past talking about how the miniscule MP regen that eventually did get added in was "too much."

[@GlitchWitchNyx]

I remember trying to tank Sastasha pre-Shadowbringers. I didn't touch tank until they got tank stances.

[@kenkurogue101]

Not only was that glam prism BS %100 true but at the time, glamour plates and dressers did not exist yet. So you could only directly glamour your gear and had to buy the proper crystal from the market to do so lol

[@Sniperbear13]

i do remember the time of Cross class abilities and the TP system, and also when Magic classes needed to have their highest level equipment because their max MP was Tied to gear. i remember once someone getting mad at a BLM in the party because they were not doing as much damage as others in the party(and we were in the very first Dungeon). Edit; i mean people complain that things have become too simple, but part of the reason for a lot of the changes was to make the game more welcoming to all play styles. like imagine if you will, when you cast Fire as BLM, it does Fire damage, and Blizzard does Ice damage, and not like what we have now where its just Magic damage; now the enemy you are fighting resists Fire, so you are now limited in what spells you can use. it sounds interesting on paper, but now imagine if they resist ALL magic damage from BLM; they would be useless, and it would really create the issue of people not wanting to play a particular class simply because it would be too limited in use. you might say "well why don't they just design around that and not favor any classes?" easier said then done. the larger the game gets that harder it becomes to really make new content without it just becoming just a bland paint by the numbers mess. besides, a game wont really last if its overly complected. there is a reason why super complex games tend to have a very limited player base, and MMO's do need a good sized Player base to keep them going after all.

[@pumpkingamebox]

To this day, I still miss Cleric Stance. Woe is me.

[@Merrylennium]

Dark knight and astrologian didnt have cross skills. They started at level 30 as a job. They had removed the cross skills at that point. Mp and to still existed.

[@digyourowngrave666]

Omg I thought I erased the different grades of glamour prisms from my brain. Glamour really was difficult back then lmao

[@Scragg-]

You used to type /aoe to toggle your spells between single target and aoe modes

[@foxdavion6865]

TP was the bane of Warriors, Paladins, Monks and Dragoons. Also before Shadowbringers the Ninja was a bizarre hybrid ranged/melee job like Red Mage also was in Stormblood. Most of those jobs off globals were managed by the TP resource and TP functioned back then much the same as how Mana does now. We used to need potions and food that refreshed TP (all the potions and food which did that have had their stats changed or were removed from the game, for example: There used to be a low level item that restored TP that was changed so it is now a vanity consumable that releases fireworks in Shadowbringers, in Endwalker 6.1 it was removed from the game entirely, if you have any left, you have the last of them.) In Shadowbringers the number of off globals for dragoon got reduced by two (to only be returned by one in Endwalker). In Stormblood and before Stormblood managing TP was hell for a dragoon because a 3rd of their combat rotation involved weaving in attacks that used TP, so you had to constantly manage your TP gage *and* your life of the dragon gage at the same time. Also all tanks unique job abilities used TP so you couldn't just spam shield bash on all the mobs like you can as Paladin today. Paladin today is now a powerhouse of early game dungeons and a solid tank in end game, if played well is a dream for healers as they have the highest controllable damage mitigation out of all the tanks as they can just Shelton their way through tank busters (This also requires a lot of skill... or cheating to pull off). However, in Stormblood although Paladins were not unviable like they were in Heavensward, having received finally a heal and support abilities added to their kit, making them feel like a paladin instead of a Gladiator+, they were still a weaker second fiddle to Warriors then. They had a janky opener since no gap closer, they used mana for Shelton, so even if your gage was saying you could use it, with no mana you still couldn't use it and both shield bash and shield lob used TP, however they did have one ability which has been removed from the game which made life a little easier, it was retaliation, which ironically used to be their biggest damage dealer before they actually got holy spells in Shadowbringers, problem is, retaliation was entirely RNG, what it basically did was block damage and then immediately hit the enemy target with 10% of that blocked damage, meaning you had to sit there and take a tankbuster to the face just so you could hit the boss for a big damager immediately after and any Paladin who didn't do this would be considered "bad at dps" by raids who cared about parsing

[@laniftallon]

You can say what you want about complex class leveling systems, but the fact of the matter is: When you had to multiclass to optimize your skills, I had a subscription to the game.

[@KuroHanji]

I had started in 2.0 as a pugilist , and then switched to summoner/arcanist because the demand for Goad was too much to handle.. i had like 3-4 bars of skills, i mostly use Titan egi for the 0 damage buff it had then switched to Ifrit because he had the best 'dps' stats for single boss, garuda ws mainly used just for group pulls.

[@paytoncollins1533]

Black mage raging strikes was my favorite and remember to esuna your warriors

[@Tulerwen]

PALADIN USED TO BE ABLE TO RAAAAAAIIIIISE

[@MarsStarcruiser]

That will be missed. Actually think all tanks should have some sort of “sacrifice” type roll ability that allows them to raise a “healer”(specifically) back from the dead at cost of half hp or something. I know the new system is practically based off speed resets where if party wipes behind you, tank has to cliff dive to reset instance and everyone just re-enters, but there was something enduring about FFXI battles almost wipes happened and last dps would kite as best they can while party comes back from the grave(5min weakness too.) Here it wouldn’t save time with how things go but over there, holding out recovery was better than the hour of re-home then airship/chocobo back to location and reassembling just to give it another go, and if that happened, someone else may have claimed that mob and your waiting another week for its own respawn timer.

[@eternalinsignia]

Looks like people just skip repair cost. Repair cost in ARR is really harsh. You will basically end up wasting 300k for repairing 0% gears (all gears) and nothing can get that gil back. The only thing you can do is leveling crafter, get dark matter which also freaking rare due to you get the GC seals freaking slowly or just throw your gear away..

[@sayaharagin9811]

The Miqo'te had a Viera situation; from what I heard male Miqo'te wasn't a thing in 1.0 until ARR came around.

[@ReaperTheDragon]

back in 1.0 I could oneshot whatever flying enemy there was in 1000 maws and up (same lvl) as WHM, earth damage was dumb strong against flying enemies... Who needs a tank anyway?

[@archon5878]

A correction on the TP and Sprint thing. It didn’t increase speed but the duration would be tied to the amount of TP you had. Sprint was on a 30 cooldown but consumed all TP, and with the way TP regenerated you wouldn’t have full TP back by the time Sprint was back up so it would reduce the duration of the next Sprint. Also accuracy was a stat in A Realm Reborn and Heavensward and different roles had an “accuracy cap” for each fight in order to hit the boss, and since these were never explained accuracy in Coil had to be calculated while progressing each tier. Raiders would calculate the minimum accuracy required to ensure that you could maximise other sub stats while hitting the accuracy cap. Heavens Eye materia was originally accuracy rather than Direct Hit. Healers and casters shared a “rear” accuracy cap which based the accuracy on the rear of the boss for physical jobs, and they would never have to go above that, it was always the lowest. Melee DPS and bard had to reach the flank accuracy cap to ensure they could hit from the flanks for positional or if required due to movement. Tanks had to have frontal accuracy cap which was stupidly high in order for skills to hit while main tanking. If any fights required players to be in front of the boss all physical would have to hit frontal cap or risk missing hits. At one point they tried to dissuade healer DPS by removing accuracy from healer gear, which only forced healers to meld accuracy materia onto gear. Speaking of melding raid, tome and dungeon gear didn’t always have meld spots and those were only added in Heavensward. You only had the stats that the gear provided. Block rates in shields used to have a meaning in ARR with certain shields being preferred over other options. I never played PLD but iirc tower shields had a higher block rate at the expense of other stats while smaller shields had lower block rates. There was some crazy stuff from back in the day that part of me misses now but I’m so glad was changed or removed.

[@ElfyMango]

I remember when stormblood dropped, yes there was savage rahban, but who remembers not sitting before Suzano because it completely locked you out of your account. I feared any emote for that entire quest. I also remember paladin having raise cause of cross class and black made had cure on the arsenal. Crazy times man. Crazy times..but though you see the tideous moments, I remember them as wonders that now are a shit-post forever

[@juniper2788]

I started when heavensward was new and immediately fell in love with the game, so much has changed since then but not as much as some of my FC pals who played since the start of 14, I can only imagine lol

[@Goldenskittlee]

Back when i started the game me and my friends joined together, one of them picked being a male roe.. for some reason they was slower than every other race and we took the piss out of him xD

[@rajabuta]

Me a DRG. oops, I pressed sprint. MUH TP!

[@YuubiTimberwolf]

The walk of shame out of AOEs while casters run with the speed of light I was SO JEALOUS

[@konnarlamanna7897]

I mean I just started playing again recently and I noticed that the arcanist is completely different they don't have dots anymore they don't have a permanent pet that deals actual damage it's only through spells

[@halapenopepper]

I loved pulling aggro pranks with ninja back in the day. And I see no one told him about Bard/Machinist cast bars in HW lmfao And oh god GLAMOUR PRISMS? WAY back in the early patches you unlocked glamours at level 45, not 15, in Mor Dhona, which at the time was basically endgame

[@halapenopepper]

As for cross classing, yeah people complain endlessly that the jobs are all so simple now but personally, it was extremely common back in ARR and HW to run into people in duty finder and party finder who straight up did not know how to play their jobs and had no willingness to learn. 'You don't pay my sub' was only such a prevalent meme in FFXIV communities because people actually said it day in day out when you tried to tell them they actually had to hit some of their buttons, or that a Warrior needed to level Paladin to get provoke so they could actually perform mechanics like tank swapping at level 60. You still sometimes see people like that today, but not nearly as much. I'll take a more streamlined levelling/rotation system any day if it means the people in my party are more likely to be able to play their jobs.

[@pleaserespond3984]

Ah, cross-class skills. I do miss the system, it tied into the WoL lore greatly - canonically we're masters of all classes, so having to level multiple classes to make a complete job was on point. Wish they could have made it a bit less tedious rather than remove it entirely. Also being required to play every role gave you appreciation for how they play. I greatly appreciate the removal of tedium from the game, but wish they could do it without sacrificing the flavour.

[@firalia]

I started playing a few months before SHB, and while I remember the TP bar, I played a healer so didn't really know what it was. But I do remember protect. R.I.P my love 💔

[@TheBonkleFox]

I vaguely remember carbuncles having health bars. Also while I do kinda like the whole cross class concept, I think it was definitely handled better with XI's sub job system.

[@kresnaut]

Ah....1.0. Was...interesting times.

[@jpranindito]

i main blm since arr.. manaward tank, quelling strike.. also accuracy meld.. cute..

[@SwordOfPersona]

I miss my shadow flare. Even with all the dots I'd cross class to get aero and thunder, and then they took it away and gave us bliz 2 instead.

[@warllockmasterasd9142]

There was an underwear slot? I'm dying

[@Victor_Johann]

What's the outro song?

[@Sephaizen]

So basically the game was super jank until ShB

[@HyouVizer]

I miss cross class abilities, could take BLM blizzard 2 aoe and put it on any healer so they could aoe dmg during low level dungeons before they'd have access to their own dmg aoe spell. But fuck needing to level other classes to unlock those other actions ugh lol. Another thing, when doing low level content, you had to manual swap out your higher tier attacks with your low tier ones as this was before upgrade trait system was added. I fucking hated max MP/spell costs based off LV, so glad 5.0 shadowbringers changed it. God send for healers saving MP. Same for removing bar TP for weaponskills.

[@MarsStarcruiser]

That is pure enjoyment for a lot of people, to be able to try new things and play in different ways. These more specialized classes are actually kinda boring for me.

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

tp... the fucking tp omg...

[@psivampire13]

I started in like 2015 or 2016. Things now seem weird to me haha. And I hate the AST changes.

[@shido2640]

I remember you could miss a healer rez

[@mr.gschannel6882]

You still can. Happened to me not too long ago... I "dodged" a raise.

[@shido2640]

@@mr.gschannel6882 your lying please tell me you are

[@mr.gschannel6882]

@@shido2640 I wish I was. It doesn't happen often, but you still can.

[@ryno4ever433]

Then you had some kind of debuff or special circumstance. Accuracy no longer exists, and I don't know any effects cast by players that could cause you to "dodge" a raise.

[@MarsStarcruiser]

I’m jealous of that old system. I always loved the cross classing stuff from subjobs in FFXI. I would have come to FFXIV sooner if that system still existed but heard the changes and was turned off from these 1 dimensional classes

[@KuroHanji]

Why were the gathering skills also cross class with DoW and DoM xD, that confused me as hell

[@MarsStarcruiser]

@@KuroHanji I didn’t mind cross class, as I personally like to play all the classes at some point, and its nice to get certain advantages from doing so. But I can see why some things may have gotten too confusing for new players.

[@timetotipthescales3793]

Materia farming parties in urths fount in the south Shroud lol

[@RratRemi]

Ninjas used to be a tank lol

[@kuraiwolf9107]

Hmm, am I weird for thinking the cross class abilities thing actually sounds cool?

[@warllockmasterasd9142]

I miss my aoe dot as a whm.

[@ryno4ever433]

Ok, we're boomers for playing the ARR beta. My dude, that was only like 9 years ago. I'm 26.

[@hkoizumi3134]

Many veterans could tell you 3.0 was probably the best time to be around. The classes and Jobs were fun except range physical lol. It was complex but at the same time approachable. So was crafting. We had amazing crafting skills that helped us or punished us. And arguably, Heavensward had the best crafting and gathering sets. It was time consuming and expensive to make. And not to mention pentamelding. But once you had it, you felt very accomplished and rewarded by being able to craft useful things.

[@charlesgentry3758]

Hah started in 2012 lol

[@haydarinna631]

So. racial stats didn't matter for the most part... EXCEPT Piety was a main stat and increased max mp instead of increasing mp regeneration and wasn't limited to healers. So you might think having 5 more piety then other races isn't such a big deal right? It wasn't, until it ended up hitting a breakpoint. There was a point in HW where Dunesfolk Lalafells could cast like 1 more Fıre IV than everyone else iirc. Forget respeccing your attributes to play SCH and SMN, try using a fantasia to play BLM. To this day, I still wish they either brought back HW cleric stance or give us something else that is meaningful. It is a stance that effectively nerfs your healing by 90% but your dps OUTSIDE of cleric was garbage. The hardest thing to explain over text is it's cooldown of 10 seconds. You had 10 seconds between turning it on. You could turn it off anytime for free and it didn't have a cost but if you wanted to turn it on, off and then on again you had to wait 10s inbetween two activations, if that makes sense. The cooldown was only on turning it on. Currently in most content you heal once or twice, then have a 20-30 second dps window. Or you weave your healing inbetween your dps. What I'm trying to say is that the idea it "forced all the healing on one player" or "made it really hard to heal" isn't really accurate at all. Think of it like the Blood Lily system in WHM(now that it's finally fixed after so goddamn long). It just seperates the GCD's you dedicate to healing vs dps. A more modern and more interesting implementation of cleric stance might look like a reverse-lily system where you do one big powerful attack 4 times more powerful than your single target, but you can't use dps spells for 10 seconds, letting you gcd heal without it being wasteful.

[@cashnelson2306]

the only thing more annoying than streamers is streamers with cartoon avatars