final thoughts | Caitibugzz VOD [March 24, 2024]

[@ricjety]

if someone was groping you and your friends didnt do anything to stop it, they're either shit friends or you looked comfortable.

[@lillyvenegas3001]

This

[@scarletpanther19]

or they were also drunk and thus impaired

[@NEO-SLACKER]

@@scarletpanther19 It wasn't assault.

[@scarletpanther19]

@@NEO-SLACKER i made no comment about whether or not it was assault

[@fawzamaisarah459]

But the point is he was still touching her without consent 🤷‍♀️ so no matter how much we try to shift the blame to her or her friends, we are not acknowledging that HE DID IT. and thats the only thing that matters. Because what youre saying is the same ideology as "you shouldve worn something less revealing so u woulnt get raped" or "if you had done this, then that wouldnt happen". It doesnt matter because touching someone is weird af and the abuser is the only one responsible for that.

[@THEOX3]

her having donations on is embarrassing

[@your_mama5280]

Just more proof she’s just doing this for clout and money!!

[@NuminousIII]

@@your_mama5280How does she get clout from it?? people don’t watch her streams more now, unless it’s to harass her. She doesn’t get money from it either she gets regular twitch donations?? her not caring to turn off donations isn’t proof of shit, you just have a confirmation bias.

[@your_mama5280]

@@NuminousIII it’s not just her having the donos on it’s she has 2 count downs on the screen and trust she is getting lots of love. She even said it in this vod

[@your_mama5280]

@@NuminousIII she gets clout by ppl who believe her lies and sends her donos

[@a.hamburrger]

Meanwhile George turned off his ads on his video! Idk about you but to me it kinda seems like she’s doing this for money 👀

[@AshleyVibes23]

The fact caiti says "don't go to the cops" is a huge slap in the face to survivors/victims of SA.

[@theinfernaldragonoverlord]

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[@locussoulous2766]

Well considering she lied about her abuse and tried to set up an innocent guy I can see why she would say that

[@pspspspspspspspspspspspspspss]

@@locussoulous2766yeah but this gremlin is saying ALL sexual assault victims should not go the police.

[@rattyspoken]

She said the legal system is not equipped or would even help her in her situation. You should work on your interpretation skills if that’s what you got from her statement. She’s clearly critiquing the legal system for their handling of past cases regarding SA.

[@Hi_melox]

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[@gomblebomble808]

This is someone in desperate need of new friends. Shame on anyone in her circle encouraging this.

[@meowmeowxP]

lmaoooo so trueeeee!!!!!!!

[@skellywolfz]

Thats what I don't understand about this situation and watching the blow up. A confirmation we have from both sides of the story is that Caiti's "Friend" brought her (a 18 year old) to 21+ plus events and then brought her to the hotel where men much older than her age were staying. Caiti's "Friend" knew about both there ages when they were cuddling and said nothing? Caiti's "Friend" knew that she was intoxicated (This is according to Caiti's story) and LEFT HER THERE? Her "Friend" is a piece of shit and she should really get new ones.

[@thegigahxrtz]

@@skellywolfzbruh, what are you saying!? All that and the context doesn’t matter! The only thing that matters is if she got touched or not!! Nuance, intentions and any blame caiti or her friends could be getting don’t apply to this obviously!!

[@kemiiwii]

wasn't shelby one of the friends that encouraged her to bring the story up? I could be stupid and totally wrong tho but I'm not hating on shelby either

[@gomblebomble808]

@@kemiiwii I'm not sure about the specifics. It's just that each video Catie posts makes her standing in the situation worse, and it doesn't seem like she has anyone actually attempting to give her decent advice for herself

[@MIKABL99D]

George needs to take legal action. I’m being so serious rn

[@mikawaii_og]

I agree, most men don't bc the law largely caters to females. But he should.

[@caro12347]

@@mikawaii_og funny enough statistically its the opposite but go off bro

[@mikawaii_og]

@@caro12347 wanna give examples bro?

[@Crxwess]

​@caro12347 how many fathers lose custody of their children? how many women win false rape cases? how many women????

[@slipjones302]

He should for sure sue her he has a solid case at this point

[@animesubya]

At this point it would be better if she stopped talking about before she digs herself into a bigger hole. Considering how supposedly drunk she was, she remembers a very good amount of stuff. Also what other sources is he supposed to use other than his friends? Her friends obviously are going to take her side and not be helpful. There wasn't a neutral person in that room. It was friends of her and George. Is she really that dumb to not understand that? Who else is he supposed to ask?

[@Andrea-mn3dx]

frr

[@ewidontlikeyou]

Being drunk is such a play-up. I drank and got drunk for the first time in my low-twenties and was still very aware of my thoughts and surroundings. One reason I will never believe anyone who tries to blame their immoral behavior on being ''drunk'..

[@NuminousIII]

@@ewidontlikeyouhave you ever considered that your experiences aren’t universal….?

[@Jonqen]

​@@ewidontlikeyouYeah kids with no experience out there use the "you cant consent while drunk". That means ive been r-worded most of my adult life 😅

[@venuslove-i1v]

Drunk people can have fragmented memories. Wasn't he also drunk? How does he remember so much?

[@anibalplaza8633]

Why is she adding so much new info?? This is a clear sign of lying. And she never disproves anything about what george said. Hope her career is over

[@anibalplaza8633]

@@emilyememmyOh shit you're right. Sorry not native

[@JoeBidenFanclub99]

@@emilyememmybro made fun of someone who doesn’t speak enlightened as their first language for not spelling a word right 😭🙏🙏

[@tonofigueroa6483]

​@@emilyememmy I mean, generally, making fun of someone for not spelling a word correctly, like it changes anything about what they said, is just dumb. But the fact that you didn't know if this person is a native speaker or not, and still decided to make fun of a spelling mistake, makes it even dumber.

[@slipjones302]

Facts she should never be believed about anything ever again the sad thing is this whole thing will only bring her more attention and fame. It’s why she did this in the first place. She literally admits it herself she says she thought getting what she considers to be SA was “the price I had to pay to be around such big creators and be messaged by a guy with a check mark” like she literally admits to selling her soul and body for clout and somehow people are feeling bad for her

[@uspresidentronaldwreagan]

right like i'm only like 11 mins in and how did we go from "tickling" to him "touching her tits" like bro u never specified that in your original allegation, people aren't mind readers??

[@zenu8507]

"He touched my tits" GIRL WHAT😭IF THAT HAPPENED WHY WOULD YOU NOT SAY THAT IN THE ORIGINAL VIDEO NOT THE STORY CHANGING 😭

[@willvandijck9416]

Honestly. I stand as a neutral point of view but i just have to say that its very inapropriate to say that on your stream and say that publically. You should not pick at every single detail. The thing is that the simple stuff is not understood by her. George always explained how he felt. He isnt saying anything is wrong.

[@justarandomperson331]

she very clearly implied it in the very first vod. that has always been the story.

[@marshyboy4637]

​@justarandomperson331"places I didn't ask for" is more associated with the crotch area

[@kirbysthiccthighs]

@@marshyboy4637no, it’s associated with both the chest and the crotch. even if it didn’t reference both, that doesn’t matter. she was touched in a way that was sexual and made her uncomfortable against her will. end of.

[@marshyboy4637]

@@kirbysthiccthighs If it did happen, not ok. But the fact that it took the third time talking about it to mention it is baffling

[@Starv01d]

I cringed so hard her pouting and stuff help😊

[@Edward-sp3tn]

Her facial movements seem so artificial and affected.

[@nomi_M]

It's tiktok gesticulation, it's unwatchably bad

[@redishine]

its literally just her face get a fucking grip

[@noahoymate]

why are you nitpicking her FACIAL EXPRESSIONS??? can we focus on the fact that he felt up her tits??? is that really hard to accept??

[@davidhoffman2311]

It’s extremely fake and performative.

[@nicknewaccount7536]

it reminds me of twitter art, especially her mouth, theres something wrong with it and i'd like a medical explanation for it because it scares me

[@TheBoss42x]

Don't believe a word from this girl.

[@georgesmith5201]

I'm shocked you did in the first place.

[@stefi.neag1]

Why?

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@stefi.neag1bcz she lied multiple times & now brushed it off by saying it’s irrelevant stuff.

[@stefi.neag1]

@AskMe-fl2sm What did she lie about? All she got wrong was who sent the text message..if the text really was fake, she wouldn't have claimed ,,Oh, another girl at the party sent it, not George's friend" because the girl who she claims sent the text could easily come out and say ,,I didn't send the text", because then she'd dig herself into deep shit. She isn't lying, lol

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@stefi.neag1 1)she lied that he made her drink 2)lied that he knows her age & deliberately mentioning “freshly 18” when it’s not related to the case as another person don’t know her age. 3) lied that he touched her out of nowhere & later says she is cuddling with him. 4)she lied that she freeze & left the place but it turned out she is Laughing & cuddling him after the touch.she stayed with him not leaving with her friends. 5) she faked a message saying it’s from his friend. This makes her original statement totally a lie.

[@kingboo]

"i dont want a career in content" didn't she say she went to this party to network and she was fine with the "assault" bc she thought that's how u get in. AND SHE HAS 200 SUBS ON TWITCH LMAO. Bro cant pick a story to stick with.

[@JoeBidenFanclub99]

She has 200k followers? What’s the difference between subs and followers I don’t get it

[@kingboo]

@IamnotMattyHealy followers dont give u money. just a follow to keep up with you. A sub is basically a follower but u pay 5 bucks.

[@britishbirdie9113]

@@JoeBidenFanclub99 a Sub on twitch is the equalivant to channel members on here

[@Damien_nelson]

​A sub is like follower except you pay for it@@JoeBidenFanclub99

[@scarlettgomez2649]

did you literally even watch the video… she said that the drama and all the backlash from this entire situation and the fact that anytime you google her name, this will pop up, is why she doesn’t want a career in content ANYMORE. she DID want a career in content, but NOT ANYMORE because of all the bs people like you are spreading.

[@aaronsevere3050]

wait she acutallY starts her stream by humming and smiling...

[@Vhillain]

"hiii modsss!!!" *two minutes later* shit i forgot im supposed to look like a victim!

[@fawzamaisarah459]

Lol if she wasnt smiling, then people are gonna say shes an attention seeker. People were mad that she cried, now smiling is also not acceptable? Plus, when she smiled, she hasnt started discussing the situation yet. It was just a genuine gesture for her mods. Have you not smiled before to others while feeling absolutely depressed inside?

[@ermtosis]

@@fawzamaisarah459true, even if people really want to say shes lying, they should have judge on her story, evidences, not the other small details like her expression or crying

[@aaronsevere3050]

@@ermtosis yeah lets gooo🙌🙌🙌🙌, lets judge her based in the story with multiple holes, leaps in logic, and downright lies!

[@wanzat4182]

@@fawzamaisarah459her crying was so fucking brain rot is like watching a fuckin twilight story

[@pipaliveshere]

she's so comically theatrical and dramatic holy shi this is embarrassing

[@slipjones302]

So embarrassing lmao

[@SophiaPrice-qk3zs]

Its not dramatic sum1 touched her without consent. It's not embarrassing to come out and talk Abt how u were assaulted by a popular creator

[@pipaliveshere]

@@SophiaPrice-qk3zs it's not assault, get outside and interact socially I beg you. Twitter never fails to be brain dead.

[@mr_infinity6677]

​@pipaliveshere Yo Im ngl, I was against her because of her inconsistent story. But if George really did touch her breast than that is assault, but Im not sure how truthful that is because its the first time I've ever heard that be added to the story. I assumed the whole time he touched her waist or whatever

[@DarkNinja-bf6hk]

​@@mr_infinity6677why wouldnt she bring it up the first time? Why bring up a serious claim that could have made way more people support you, AFTER you got the hate

[@tonofigueroa6483]

Why has chest fondling just been mentioned now? Why wasn't this brought up in her response to his first response where he literally denies this happens. In his first response George literally said that there was nothing more than waist touching, this is why everyone thinks it was just belly or waist touching. That seems like the most important thing to adress, it is really weird it is being clarified by her just now after a very long time, after tons of responses from all the people involved.

[@fawzamaisarah459]

Well it's not really a detail that you would comfortably say to everyone. And its also possible that she thought we could understand with the way she described that he touched places where she didnt want his hands to be. In my opinion, its pretty relevant/understandable that she didnt put in that specific description initially.

[@techedbirb6663]

​@@fawzamaisarah459no, there's a big difference in severity here, in her first 2 responses she left out that detail where it would have made sense, the stomach versus the chest is what makes it actually sexual assault, she never even implied it was any further than that😅 why you tryna defend her?

[@Zach-qo1on]

@@fawzamaisarah459 yes it is lmao. if you want to call people out and say allegations you have to add everything. also she lied more than once and this happened awhile ago so it isn’t “well she isn’t thinking” excuse is not gonna help

[@2DarkHorizon]

Nah its ok, the story wasn't changed but elaborated further. Big difference. Someone doesn't need to tell a perfect story or full story the first time they explain something. It's hard to believe who. At the moment its her word against his.@@techedbirb6663

[@justarandomperson331]

she very clearly implied it in the first vod. thag has been the story the whole time.

[@Winterlude_Music]

As someone who’s experienced SA, this entire situation has been like a slap in the face. Yes, your experiences are valid, but the way that your story doesn’t line up, the fact that there are inconsistencies- your experiences don’t seem to line up to the definition of SA, and it feels more like a stunt to defame George. Why wait until now to reveal information that could’ve turned your case around from the beginning? I’ve learned the signs of a manipulator, and you genuinely don’t seem truthful, as others have pointed out. You’ve had an experience, yes, and George should’ve asked for consent. But you were also in control of your situation. The situation was because of a series of your own decisions, and not George’s.

[@davidhoffman2311]

Well said.

[@EpicCoolGuy21]

No, her experience is invalid. She is a colossal piece of shit who deserves to lose her platform at the very least.

[@NuminousIII]

i don’t understand how toy both admit that George groped her without consent and that her experience doesn’t match that of sexual assault in the same paragraph…

[@EpicCoolGuy21]

@@NuminousIII How old are you? Please answer.

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@NuminousIIIhe didn’t groped her breast out of nowwhere. They were cuddling & spooning eo.she stayed with him after he touched her waist/chest not leaving with her friend.

[@BroMomento69]

George went extremely lenient on her given how hard she slandered him, but this is completely spitting all over that. Interested to see if George will be less charitable/forgiving towards her after these claims

[@Ben-zg8xk]

He’s scared people will get mad on twitter 😂😂😂😂😂

[@redishine]

he’s literally admitted to it

[@BroMomento69]

@@redishine admitted to tickling an over 18 year old on the stomach that in his POV was consensual? Does "I'm sorry you felt that way" seem like an admission of guilt to you?

[@redishine]

@@BroMomento69 did you just not watch any videos on this?? he himself said he did more than tickle her and did more than touch his waist. dear lord you people are stupid? and considering the situation, yes actually ! caiti : gnf grped me gnf : i did it, but im a good guy sooo she just regretted it obviously, so sorry she feels that way *victim blames victim blames victim blames* ofc this is super watered down but all this info has been talked, discussed and known. you would know this if you did more than blindly trust gnf

[@theboIter]

@@redishine “I’m sorry you felt that way is not equal to “yes, I $A-ed you”, you’re welcome.

[@MrsZari]

Can I just say: She is SO fake. Points that show this; 1) Cati lied several times during her streams about this incident. 2) She purposely did NOT say everyone who was there. Including 3 people who were there, they were pretty important. 3) Cati explains that GNF & The original party members were the ones who asked Cati & Her friends to drink. (Many people explained this was a lie. That it was Cati herself, and her friends who pressured the others to drink.) 4) Cati frequently decided to say she was FRESHLY 18. This is a lie. She was 18, but it wasnt freshly. She was already 18 for a few months. 5) She says she misspoke about the "Freshly 18." Part. Why would she bring it up AGAIN? 6) She says that she proved George wrong about the wristband. GNF said himself, that to grt INTO the party; You NEEDED a wristband to get in. 7) "We were on the couch sitting," THIS. Both of them said expictily they were CUDDLING. 8) She goes back on her word. She says his hand was on her WAIST. Not that he fondled her t1ts. She says this AFTER. 9) Someone was saying something about the groupchat. GNF said he WASNT in the group-chat. 10) Cati says that GNF cant relate to it. That he has never experinced this. GNF has said himself, he was in a sitution similar to this. 11) She refers to her crying on the stream. Why would it matter if she cried or not? She expictily says she cried so she could have sympathy. So people WOULD believe. 12) GNF revealed he didnt know that she was only 18. Everyone at the party was meant to be 21 or over. it was PROVEN that there was a age thing. 13) she keeps refering to it as chest fondling. Many people have explained it WASNT. Gnf himself said it was NOT chest fondling, but was only on the waist. 14) She explains she KNEW she was drinking underage. She is 18. You would expect someone at that age to know NOT to underage drink. 15) EVERYONE was drunk there, not just Cati & her friends. She keeps refering to herself / her friends as the victims in the drinking part. (HER FRIENDS WANTED EVERYONE TO DRINK.) 15) Cati was constantly rude about the comments. It is so fucking sad. She multiple times, swore at someone. 16) She got mad that there fan-bases chose to ask about questions. They wanted info, because she was jumbling stuff uo & it didnt make sense. 17) She self-promoted during this video, even if not a intent. This is weird. 18) She doesnt even bother to clear up his response. She just chucks it to the side. 19) Nobody in that party can be trusted. Because, it was full of either Georges friends OR catis friends. Theyre gonna choose there friends side. 20) She refers to the fact he says he is a good guy, yet when she FIRST madr a video ; She refers to gerself ad a SMALL creator MULTIPLE times. 21) None of the info was irrelvent. If it was about the situtation, then it is NOT irrelvent at ALL. 22) There was MULTIPLE times where he couldve mis-interrupted her age. She went to a 21+ party. This is ONE. 23) She brings up the 3 people that gnf used as info. The fact that theyre friends. YET SHE USES HER FRIENDS AS INFO. As a ALIBI. 24) She says that in the moment, she was uncomfy. Yet in the different part, she says that she only started having issuses with it LATER. 25) She had zero problem with no waterworks this video. No SA victim would be able to sit there, and smile and cuss people out. (weird af) 26) She says he is using his power. In no point, did he use his power AT ALL. SEXUAL ASSUALT is NOT what she says it is. It is if someone touches the person in a sexual matter, and said person verbally/non-verbally says no. The 2nd person then keeps doing it. She NEVER verbally or non-verbally said no. She says she was cuddling, and to the others; it was comfortable for her. She then goes on to say: She froze in the moment. no, she didnt. Multiple people in the room said she got up MULTILPE times, then went back to him AFTER. She LIED. Fyi : Her manager never once or showed that they wouldve used there power to ruin her. Non-Verbal consent exists, too. It can be used on accident, and make a situtation; Miscommutied. If she is Asexual, why was she cuddling with him? That is technially something considered romantic. They said they were literally SPOONING. She is NOT a SA victim. Shes a victim of a sitution she regrets later, this is NOT sa. SHES THE REASON PPL REFUSE TO TELL THERE SA STORIES.

[@nastjas527]

not really the most important of all this, but asexual ≠ aromantic. asexual people still do romantic things like cuddling/spooning. being asexual refers to sexual acts only

[@Jarellan0]

Excellent breakdown of this situation

[@zuikerou3525]

I like the number 4 part, & then she retracted like “IM SORRY I MEANT I WAS 18 FRESHLY OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL” lmao tf 😂

[@MrsZari]

@@zuikerou3525 i have zero clue where she was trying to get with that. It was dumb, and so stupid of her. 🤷‍♀️

[@MrsZari]

@@Jarellan0 YES SIRR

[@deathbymajorityvote5448]

Shubble set boundaries, caiti did not set boundaries. Wilbur broke those boundaries, George didn't know there were boundaries that he broke. George should've asked for consent, caiti should've told him no or at least nonverbally said no

[@MrCharly780]

If you are not a virgin you know that implicit concent exists and when a woman doesn't want to continue she is free to move your hand away from her and back off. She didn't do anything, and now she is escalating the claims to even worse things after changing and having holes in her story twice. No reason to believe her

[@rainman11]

But even when George had reached a point where Caiti wasn’t comfortable and she got up, George immediately understood the message non verbally and nothing happened to Caiti the rest of the night/morning. Like that’s literally how it should be done, once it gets to the point where someone doesn’t want to take the intimacy any further the touching ends. Like I haven’t heard of George kept trying to feel up or cuddle with her even after the incident so I don’t see how there was any sort of power dynamic here like Caiti is acting like George forced her to do things against her will.

[@fawzamaisarah459]

How could she have set the boundary when he just touches her chest without consent? Its not something normal to do. Setting the boundary after it happened doesnt work because it already happened in the first place.

[@deathbymajorityvote5448]

@@fawzamaisarah459 she could've set the boundaries before they started cuddling? For example she could've said "please don't touch me in these specific areas" before they start cuddling. But what would I know? I'm asexual and refrain from touching anyone in a intimate setting, I don't flirt with anyone so that wouldn't lead me into the situation caiti was in. George clearly thought they were flirting, but I'm sure caiti didn't. I view cuddling as an intimate thing so maybe caiti didn't think of it as an intimate thing at the time and didn't set boundaries?

[@kyuutashaiza6657]

@@fawzamaisarah459 Do people who actually got assaulted, go back when they had the chance to leave for round 2 of assault? yeah, NO.... obviously she enjoyed it at the time, now backtracking it because she want to be seen as a victim

[@Duny4-ni6gu]

4:14 -There are no wrong reasons to be there. Caiti is clearly inciting that if you are not watching the stream for her or her content, you are in the wrong. 5:45 -It feels like she’s pulling information out of nowhere. She probably should’ve said he ‘touched my tits’ initially if she wanted her story to be more believable. That factor is not something one would easily forget. 6:08 🤨 6:16 -All he confirmed is that he touched you. 7:03 -He was drunk as well… I would also like to point out that Caiti was willingly and knowingly underage drinking; I would’ve deemed a fvcking 18 year old smart enough to not make such reckless decisions. 7:32 -How…? 8:01 -Actually a good joke. If it wasn’t a joke, it’s still very funny. 9:10 -Self promotion. Even if not for malevolent purposes. 9:38 to 10:08 -Slightly unbelievable mistakes. 11:32 -Having another 5 months of age doesn’t really make a person that much older, but it should also be taken into account, seeing as she makes it seem like she wants to give as much information as she can, yet forgot this little bit of information that some people might care about. This doesn’t really prove anything; I just found it slightly ironic. 12:27 -George did not admit to doing the things she states he did. All he admitted to was touching/cuddling with her. That could be mistaken for s£xual a$$ault, but I personally wouldn’t say it was. 13:03 -He has no tits for you to feel up. And the point that these people are trying to make is that EVERYONE was drunk, not just Caiti and her friends. With that in mind, George was most likely: not thinking entirely straight, possibly have been unaware of every single little signal that Caiti was *supposedly* trying to give; alcohol influences your behaviour, consciousness and perception of the world. 14:33 -She does cry. That doesn’t prove anything. 15:25 -Talking about these things on the internet as opposed to taking it up with the law isn’t going to make much of a positive difference. Caiti is making it seem as if it is a completely preposterous idea to take legal action. 15:35 -Completely unnecessary rudeness towards people who are just giving you suggestions. 15:51 -Ah. See, I think the reason some people might not be bothered to watch Caiti’s vod all the way through is because it was so incomprehensible and unclear; ‘jumbled’ if you will. 15:54 -He wasn’t crying. If for some reason someone doesn’t want to watch Caiti’s vod because she was ‘too emotional’ then you can’t force them too, even though it’s always useful to get as much information as you can. 16:21 -Most people have a natural need for more information than what was initially given. They will subconsciously question every single hole in a story. Some others might just follow blindly, even though their subconscious brains will still be questioning. 16:31 -I just want to make it clear that I am not [intentionally] discrediting her story, merely pointing out that she (and everyone else in the room) were/was drunk. You can probably figure out the rest of my point. 16:46 -When people notice [yet another] inconsistency in your story, they point it out. If George’s story had any inconsistencies people would point that out as well. and even if there is no inconsistency, it’s still a comically unbelievable story. 16:57 -Caiti, please point out the inconsistencies you are talking about. 17:06 -I feel like I might’ve missed something, but which ‘inconsistencies’ did you prove wrong, sorry? 17:12 -Again, which inconsistencies? And they are only taken as ‘the truth’ because they are more believable. 18:01 -Point of view. George’s point of view is that he touched Caiti. Caiti’s is that he grabbed her tits. 18:07 -One word. Drunk. 18:25 -You are talking about your experience. 18:29 -You don’t have to paint it in a ‘rainbows and sunshine light’. You just have to paint it truthfully. And try not to miss any spots of the canvas. (I made up that metaphor. It probably sounds really confusing.) 19:39 -Point of view. 19:44 -It was in front of a bunch of people. That bunch of people should probably have done something. If they didn’t view it as sexual enough to stop, or they didn’t think it would’ve made Caiti uncomfortable, then I don’t think George would’ve either. 20:20 -Welcome to the *fucking* internet Caitibugzz! 20:29 -And you’re saying you’re mad about it… well, it’s done now, there’s no turning back. 20:44 -Again, welcome to the internet. 20:53 -No one said you wanted this. No one. But you chose to talk out about this on the internet. You, out of everyone, a content creator, should’ve known this would ensue. 21:34 -It’s happened now. There’s no point in complaining about it. 22:29 💀🤦 23:48 -How believable are they? Half of them are probably lies. Or she’s just lying about getting them. 24:20 -She seems extremely bothered about this. I honestly can’t think why. Like I said before, people will always want to know as much as possible. I think if you really wanted to spread awareness about ‘what you’ve gone through’ then you should at least be willing to answer any questions that ‘reporters[?]’ or the general public have for you. 24:26 -Once again! Extreme rudeness for no reason 🤦 24:38 -I cannot. Wtf did you think would happen Caiti? People wouldn’t argue? This is the fvcking internet. 24:43 -Of course people will use it as a fvcking ‘talking point’. That’s half the point of the internet. 25:22 -Why do you have not much to say? Is it possibly because it was so straight to the point, much more understandable than your recount/story and had few loop holes or flaws? Or is it just because you don’t think it is worth your time? 25:28 -It feels like she is twisting his words. All George said is that they cuddled, while drunk, and after about an hour he touched her waist. 26:00 to 26:06 and 26:09 to 26:25 are very similar (possible) responses. They are just worded differently; the second one is spoken in a way that makes it seem worse. 26:48 -Every minute detail is relevant. Just because a piece of information isn’t entirely centre around you two touching each other, that doesn’t mean it’s unimportant. 27:06 -He said nothing of the sort. Please refrain from putting words into peoples mouths Caiti. 27:51 -It will always seem ‘convenient’. You can point at anything and say ‘Oh LoOk, tHaT’s cOnvEnieNt’. 27:58 -There were also many ways in which he could’ve mistaken your age. The fact that you were UNDERAGE drinking and had gone to a 21+ party are two examples. 28:03 *snort/pffftsk* 28:10 -Tell me when, at any point, did George even hint at the fact that he thought he was a good guy. I don’t think he, did did he? At this point she’s just making sh!t up. 28:24 -I doubt anyone in their right mind would do that. George (and a good chunk of the internet) believe he didn’t do anything to warrant the title of a ‘bad guy’; how fvcking stupid would he have to be to say ‘oh yeah, I’m such a bad person’ or ‘I ignored her age on purpose’?! 28:29 -You seem like you have a problem with that. Think of everything he’s worked for to get to this point. Do you think he’ll just let it all go so willingly because of some allegations? I would be extremely surprised if he didn’t try to save his career 🤦 28:30 *sigh* this proves nothing. 28:54 -Once again, nothing is irrelevant. He was recounting his perspective of the night. Any details he brings up might not be as ‘important’ but they are certainly not something people should just ignore. 29:00 Of course he brings them up purposefully you dumb@ss. Do you think he’d bring them up by accident?? He’s bringing them up because he thinks they are beneficial for the/his story

[@Positivityforhellscape]

Literally broke it all down for us. Thank you troop o7

[@Duny4-ni6gu]

@@Positivityforhellscape *Sigh* it’s all for the greater good. I’ll keep trying to add to it as much as I can…

[@riverivei]

As a survivor of SA, it took me years to be able to speak or share my story with my mother. When my mother saw me being touched and abused by a relative, it was traumatic and I carry that with me every day. We're not comfortable smiling or even talking about this as it's a very painful and serious experience for us. It's mocking the pain and trauma we've been through.

[@duckyh9712]

Why is this girl smiling laughing and just looking away the whole time. Is this how someone with trauma would act. Looks like bad acting

[@chimchim2069]

I’m also a survivor, and for her to say I don’t care if you believe me so many times is something real victims would NEVER say

[@kyu2756]

Yeah, how she's smiling really makes my skin crawl. I've literally only even talked about what happened to my boyfriend in detail once in our 3 year relationship, and I couldn't even look him in the face . Imagine talking about it on live with that many people watching, having a smile on your face... Her facial expressions and hand movements feel so theatrical. It feels painful to watch 😅

[@glowy_tulip]

i've been assaulted, and when i do talk about it, i sometimes laugh or try making it a joke, but that's just how i talk about anything hard. however, i do believe she is NOT in the right. just saying reactions can be different.

[@simplylexxx]

This whole thing is just a miscommunication of feelings. Her feelings are valid but this all should've been talked about in private.

[@unfortunate000]

Not at all

[@BiancoIsleDelfino]

I dont think they are when she uses such a thing and makes it into something like SA and ruins someomes life..... SA is something serious! If shes truly honest she should make a damn case! Or george should cuz this is absolutely disgusting

[@mawruzz]

such a waste of time and energy the internet should focus on actual SA victims this is fucking disgusting

[@xleppy]

what the fuck???? she was TOUCHED by a 26 YEARS OLD MAN, WITHOUT CONSENT????

[@mysticeditsstuff]

no fucking way y’all think georgenotfound the Minecraft creator is out here touching girls using the power bestowed upon him via manhunts 💀 🙏

[@Augustpopz]

How do you even know if she’s faking it and why does it even matter

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@Augustpopz bcz she lied evrything on her 1st statement

[@Gunnin_yadown]

​@@Augustpopz She literally started deleting her stuff💀

[@THEOX3]

just quick info, don't watch this, it wastes your full 1:02:57 of time of your life. watch someone and support a real SA victim instead.

[@MrsSmith-oi5kh]

Ladies, in this type of situation, speak up in the moment. Especially in a room full of ppl. Men are not mind readers. If it happens and u continue to giggle n sit next to the man, get up and come back, then leave with that man…. How is he to know you hated or felt assaulted by him?

[@caro12347]

No. Men dont do stuff before asking. Since they are not mindreaders they should assume.

[@MrsSmith-oi5kh]

@@caro12347you want men to ask permission to even talk to you? Did she ask him permission to sit next to him on the couch? Did she ask him permission to cuddle next to him ?

[@avascouture]

she was drunk

[@mintycokies8057]

​@@avascouture So was he??

[@avascouture]

@@mintycokies8057 that doesnt make it okay

[@Benjamslikestrains]

"When I said I was freshly 18, I misspoke" then why did you repeat it in the first response? "I proved George wrong, I didn't have a wristband" he never said you did, he provided it as a general example. He never said the wristband was on your hand, just that people there had to have one to get in. "We were on the couch sitting" in your response you said explicitly that he was spooning you. He said he touched your waist, you responded without denying it, now you're backtracking and saying it was something else. Either you didn't even WATCH his response, or you're changing the story to make him sound bad. Which from how you even modified stuff from your own response; it's almost definitely the latter. This whole video is full of fallacies, twisting his words, backtracking and changing the story. It's ironic how she says people only distrust her because they idolize George, when people distrust her mainly because she's so inconsistent. You have to be unable to critically think to assume she's being honest lol

[@bumbixp]

It's just two dudes cuddling on a couch, some platonic love between two bros. As all men do with their homies.

[@bloodaonadeline8346]

I have no idea who George is but I can tell this woman is lying, she regrets the situation and wants to backtrack this is very common in young women and virgins. She’s not comfortable with her sexuality yet so let’s pretend some guy assaulted me because he touched me.

[@Ashintherain]

@@bumbixp bro what? it's a guy and a girl

[@joandthedog]

@@Ashintherain I think he's referencing when she said she do that with her friends too

[@Tskumiho]

This worded so perfectly

[@MrsSmith-oi5kh]

Why do we care if she can legally drink in the UK? She called it underage drinking a ton in her first video. Accountability is important, right ?

[@demifolk8940]

the responsibility doesnt lie with the underage person, it lies with the adult who sold it to them or bought it for them. regardless of that detail, its a fairly nothing burger issue in the US. people here drink very often, unless a place directly sells alcohol to a minor then it isnt an issue. but cops do not care if a 18-19 drinks a little with their friends. unless its egregious, like an adult bringing alcohol to a party with people under 21. but a few underage friends drinking with their buds is normal. me and my friends have differing ages, there was a time many of us were over 21 but the other were 18-20

[@MrsSmith-oi5kh]

@@demifolk8940 It’s literally a crime to underage drink. It’s a misdemeanor, carrying a fine and will be on your record. Whether u think it should be a crime or not is of no consequence. *** She knew when she put that first sip of alcohol to her lips and drank, it was illegal. In her other video she puts the responsibility for underage drinking on George, that he should’ve known that she wasn’t “of age”, nope it’s her responsibility.

[@redishine]

the repercussions of underage drinking should not be getting sa’d !

[@MrsSmith-oi5kh]

@@redishine Try to read words and see their actual meaning instead of what you want to see. Some people have to read more slowly to get the meaning. Try that.

[@redishine]

@@MrsSmith-oi5kh re-read what i said, im not talking about anyone else comments im talking about YOURS ! yes she should take accountability for that, no the punishment should not be getting sa’d. her drinking is not fucking important in this situation bc idk if you know this but underage drinking is a severely different crime from sa🙀 she mentioned it because its legal where she lives?? her drinking is not the issue and you trying to somehow prove she’s in the wrong or trying to discredit her because she isn’t living up to your standards of a perfect victim is disgusting. for the love of god think before you say bs its not that hard

[@Kanniu.]

"for now goodbye" one week later:

[@avascouture]

she said on twitter that she would give a final response a week later

[@PoopyPolice]

she did say for now

[@laury.s.c]

FOR NOWWWWW yall are finding the stupidest reasons to argue against this girl. be SO FR

[@Kanniu.]

@@laury.s.c Bro's a whole month late lmfao anyway there's so many holes in her story and this response was just her getting mad that people didn't buy into her lies if you still believe her natural selection hasn't done its job kekw

[@laury.s.c]

@@Kanniu. there really are not many holes. she is a teenage girl, crying about her assault??? sorry if something came out a little wrong in between her sobbing??? jesus christ.

[@mysticeditsstuff]

1) did not mention the “tit touching” in initial response 2) says george “admitted” to SA’ing her when that is false and all he admitted to is touching on the waist/thigh under the dress 3) Notice how she uses her being drunk a lot to make it seem like George took advantage of her but she shouldn’t have been drinking in the first place as its against the law 4) taking what I said from point 3, for someone who was drunk before she got there and kept drinking while she was there she can confirm an awful lot amount of details

[@kentan69]

Fun fact: her friend said on a stream that her and caiti wasnt drunk when they got there

[@takagalore]

@@kentan69but caiti says she was.. wonder who’s lying

[@ikemike2649]

He did even touch her by her thighs

[@ikemike2649]

In George didn't admit it he said that he touched her in the stomach and she was smiling and touching him back but then she regretted it and wants to ruin his life for making dumb decisions

[@glux4132]

Her whole aura, the faces she makes and the way she speaks is just so weird bro I can’t take it seriously

[@Pholomoon]

Yeah.. like dude. If this happened to me I would explain everything with a straight face

[@ever-fh4qf]

Lowkey I'm pretty sure it only looks like she's smiling because of her makeup though. Like the makeup style where you draw a little bit of a smile onto the corner of your mouth? I didn't realise either until after a bit of video haha...

[@nicknewaccount7536]

@@ever-fh4qf no man, she IS smiling, way too much check 8:38 and use . key to go frame by frame, the sides of her mouth curl upwards when she opens it where there is no makeup

[@ever-fh4qf]

@@nicknewaccount7536 No.. It is makeup. Like literally just search up "lift lip technique makeup" and you'll see what I mean. The sides of her mouth curling upwards is literally the makeup..

[@glux4132]

⁠@@ever-fh4qfwell I’m just kind of referring the beginning of the stream, considering it was going to be a serious video, I just don’t really get why she’s all giggly, humming and smiling, idk I wouldn’t be doing all of that personally if I was talking about serious situations like this and saying “hey mods 😜🥰😊” it’s giving a lil chronically online

[@rpurll]

i dont get why she is so persistent with this age thing, they were both adults, even if she just turned 18 (she was 5/6 months in) she still gets trialled as an adult if she commits a crime, she can still live alone, she is still an adult. yes, she was drunk, so was he. both legal adults, both drunk, she had the choice to drink underage and due to this it is logical to think that she is over 21, even though she was an adult either way.

[@ripgargar1470]

i definitely think george has to sue her, not just to clear his name but also to make it clear that things like this? are serious stuffs thatys gonna get treated seriously. SA allegations ruin lives, period. she's an adult, she needs to be held accoutnable with her actions.

[@TVHEAD69-247]

The maturity difference is still extremely different. The emotional development is a large gap.

[@avascouture]

he was 27. she was freshly 18. thats innapropriate

[@Ben-uc9xn]

@@avascoutureshe wasnt freshly 18 & he didnt know lmao you’re dumb

[@Candy12438]

No he was 26 at the time (that dosent change much within age gap wise but its good to keep the information straight) ​@sekaiisoulz

[@Tealpumpkinn]

The way she talks and addresses certain people is absolutely foul. “Fuck off” “actually choke”, like those are some disgusting and disrespectful ways to get her points across. Yeah, sure, she may have been uncomfortable, he should have asked, but she’s blowing this way out of proportion. First, her friends had “loose ass” 21+ bracelets, and “had a strat” Like… okay. George wasn’t even in that group chat, so he knew nothing about that. She was underage drinking. Can’t you get charged for that, too? Like.. I don’t get how the things she did wrong are exempt. She’s clearly no angel in the slightest. She’s an adult. If two consenting adults want to date or be touchy, that isn’t illegal. Age gaps can be weird, but some people prefer it. Here, George thought she was older, given the fact basically everyone else around him was his own age. She was like, what? The youngest there? And she knew that. Going into an environment with significantly older adults didn’t make her uncomfortable? I feel like she was chasing clout or something in all honesty. Doesn’t mean her experience isn’t valid, but come on. If he really touched her tit, you think she would have said that FIRST. that would be one of the FIRST things you’d say. I have never watched a George, not found video in my life. I hate Minecraft. But I feel like she’s really doing him dirty. The ‘power’ never crossed gorges mind, because HE was amongst creators of his own age range. And George apologized without ‘but.’ Many times now. So.

[@dizzy388]

If she speaks like this in person, imagine the kinds of disgusting things she sends to people online.

[@audsjk]

your feelings are valid.. but calling it sexual assault is not.

[@laury.s.c]

he touched her without explicit consent. that is assault.

[@audsjk]

@@laury.s.c not with those intentions.

[@laury.s.c]

@@audsjk with what intentions? you'll never know his intentions.

[@audsjk]

@@laury.s.c hes said multiple times he didnt have these intentions. not meaning george is fully innocent of course; he shouldve realized a boundary with common sense and she shouldve said no, no matter verbally or not.

[@laury.s.c]

@@audsjk right and you must live in george's head right? because you know exactly what intentions he had? consent is NOT a boundary, it is a mandatory implication everyone in their right mind should have, but clearly not because we have people like you and George free

[@yamammiwammi]

i think the problem here isn't that she's lying, is that she genuinely thinks she is a victim of assault. I think it comes from a generation where many zoomers are stunted from regular social interactions with undeveloped skills in negotiating personal boundaries. girl needs therapy or counselling or to share this story with a parent, or someone she trusts in bc there's a learning opportunity for her in this that she's completely missing.

[@proudcracker]

oh 100%

[@avascouture]

george groped her. thats sexual harrasment.

[@krim-xn7jn]

​@@avascoutureno he didnt though lets be serious theres no way she only mentions that now when its bigger than the original allegation

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@krim-xn7jnmaybe he did touched her chest but still it doesn’t count as SA just bcz she regrets it now.

[@carrieg5243]

Is that what this is? I l couldn’t understand why so many people were standing up for her despite her omitting key parts of her story. It’s very clear now it’s young children with no real world experience

[@juniperluniper]

She loves shaking her head

[@kelia1235]

My dog stepped on a bee 🦮🐝

[@MerbyMan]

My name is Steven with a V

[@Scythnomaly]

Im smiling with glee 😁

[@japhalpha]

I feel bad for the bee 🐝

[@games_bond7221]

Amber Turd 😂

[@Frontherd_fundy_simp]

I realy gotta pee

[@SkullyJPG]

caiti, you are not a victim. you were gaslit into thinking this.

[@TheGloriusContent]

Not even that. It's malicious willful lying.

[@lustrazor44]

She needs to be charged and her platform removed.

[@mysticeditsstuff]

George has been very lenient on her given her weird but not crazy first claims, interested to see if he gets more adamant after these obvious lies.

[@xo71]

@@mysticeditsstuff so ur on her side 💀?, tf is wrong with you

[@RileyStudying-mo5yg]

Of course you all are gonna believe a big streamer instead of a small streamer but sa is still sa and why she didn't say no is probably was because he didn't ask of her consent

[@Augustpopz]

Has this ever happen to you?

[@xo71]

@@RileyStudying-mo5yg It’s not cause he’s a big streamer, it’s obvious she’s lying, haven’t you saw the proof in twitter?

[@westernbrumby]

Hey Caiti the camera is down here

[@Duny4-ni6gu]

LMAO

[@ihavebeefwitheveryone]

😂

[@octav7438]

The fact shes smiling, humming, and singing... So happy to ruin someones career.

[@laury.s.c]

right so....where is the smiling. the humming and singing??? she's talking about something serious, that doesn't mean she has to be playing depressing music and starting off sobbing and scream crying....she was obviously trying to get through it without crying like..

[@octav7438]

@@laury.s.c Yes... a serious allegation. And instead of talking about that shes humming to music, laughing with her mods, and waiting for 'viewer engagement'... Great... I'm not even willing to argue this. It has been debunked. She lied about pretty much everything. She's changed her story multiple times, and finally, shes privated all her socials and she, as far as I know, is being sued by GNF for defamation. If people still believed her supposed story, she wouldn't have deleted everything, including these vods, and went completely silent.

[@EdgyJelly]

​@laury.WS_ literally in the first few minutes of the vod lil bro

[@laury.s.c]

@@EdgyJelly re-read my comment ! hope this helps!

[@octav7438]

@@laury.s.c Seems as if my comment got deleted. I'm going to write it once more: She was humming to music, smiling, waiting for an audience to join to then play her act. She scripted everything out. It's sad to watch. You should stop arguing, and I won't even continue, but just leave you with this: It was debunked that she lied about 95% of her story She privated socials and deleted evidence after backlash Pretty much everyone involved knows she lied, exaggerated, and purposefully did this to ruin a career.

[@marc5020]

i wonder how the real SA survivor reacted to this. shame on her

[@ikutie5685]

Sorry this is really long but as an SA victim i wanted to tell you how i reacted to this I had a traumatic amnesia due to my SA by my cousin when i was around 8 or 9 years old and he was about 12-13. I did remembered 2 times but forgot until June 2023, i remembered just like this one day’, i don’t know how or why. Today i almost fully remember about what happened. And it had an huge impact on my life without me even remebering about what happened to me because my brain wouldn’t let me, it was just too much for me… after hearing her story honestly i feel like i believe her, it does seem like something that she didn’t want to happen, happened that night. When i came out to my family about this, i didn’t go into the details so for them maybe it wasn’t as far as what he did (thankfully he didn’t rape me, i don’t wanna go into the details because i’m not really comfortable but it was SA not rape as much as i remember !) but when i told the details weeks later they we’re shocked because for them it was bad but not as much. So i could see why she would come back to say that he actually touched her tits, i can see how and why she would. Maybe she wasn’t comfortable about telling this information so she was very vague but at the same time she seemed like she wanted everything to be said… so why wasn’t the information already said ? As an SA victim i really don’t wanna say this to her considering she may be an SA victim too, but she made it very much public, we are talking about a huge creator, and something that could ruin his career, others and her’s. I really think she should have told this information or say that she wasn’t comfortable to share it for now it’s understandable. But at the same time the way she came back like this is very weird to me tbh. I do believe that she really got hurt about what happened but it may seems like it may have been a miscommunication too… maybe George thought that them being so close, touchy was an invitation considering that he has some experience ? But it doesn’t excuse the fact that he still hurt her even tho he didn’t meant to and thought that she was fine with it, and that for him she was giving him non-verbal consent. He still hurt her a lot by doing this. George doesn’t seem to lie to me, he actually took actions to talk about it, show some proofs and more, not everyone would do this ! It’s honestly very confusing. I’m not really supporting either of them but i do believe that she really got hurt by what happened. About the inconsistencies, i had few in my story too, i was 8 and when it happened i was sleeping. So when i remembered in June 2023 sometimes i would say this but then i would actually remember few days later that it wasn’t like that but more like this. So i can see why she has some considering she was drunk and she is talking about her SA it’s never easy and sometimes, not always it can have some weird inconsistencies. But if you wanna talk publicly like this i really think you should try to reconstitue what happened as close as much as possible so you don’t end up with that many weird inconsistencies. But all this is still very weird to me, but we will never know what actually happened because we weren’t there, someone is lying but who ? Or was it unfortunately a huge misunderstanding, miscommunication.

[@venuslove-i1v]

@@ikutie5685 She came back because people were accusing her from running from the truth. I personally believe her because he admitted to doing it.

[@TheGamersState]

@@venuslove-i1v Caitibugzz has brainwashed you well, so sad.

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@venuslove-i1vhe admitted to touching her consensually.

[@a.hamburrger]

As someone who’s survived SA, watching this made me feel like I should never come out and talk about it. This is barely SA. It’s regret. She was okay with something happening, either regretted it or wanted clout for it, and decided to flip it around. From all the viewpoints I’ve looked into, it all points to her being fine originally and then flipping it on George last minute. There’s also the fact that George can’t be held fully accountable. He thought she was over 21, which is fair because she drank and I think from what I remember she had a 21+ wristband on at the club and he didn’t see that she was only 18 on her insta. She never said no and considering her friends didn’t seem to say anything about it either she needs new friends or she was enjoying it. George took the clue when she stood up. I never really liked George but this girl is lying in ways that hurt so many people.

[@Ben-zg8xk]

damn she doubled down. The power abuse thing is so stupid. Just because there is one doesnt mean george used it against her. Did george tell her that if she didnt let him touch her he would tell his manager to drop her? no. So she just made it all up in her head. She thinks he weinstiened her when he never did anything like that

[@rainman11]

The age thing too is irrelevant because she’s 18, a legal adult. It’s not like she was a minor when this incident happened.

[@HeelHook96]

There's a power imbalance in damn near every relationship, intimate or platonic, you will ever have in your life. There's a power dynamic between a parent and a child, a teacher and a student, a partner in a higher tax bracket than their partner. The issue is when those power imbalances are used to control behaviour, for example Harvey Weinstein using his power as a Hollywood exec to essentially bribe girls to have sex with him in return for movie roles. Or an abusive relationship where one partner has complete financial control and the other has no way to realistically leave that relationship without being in financial ruin. George never used that power imbalance for anything. He never said if she went along with it he'd help her career, he never threatened her career, she was never in a position where she couldn't leave. The existence of a power imbalance isn't a crime at all, and it's crazy how adults like Caiti haven't learnt this yet, or worse know it and lie about it.

[@Reneeishere]

so here's some interesting, contrasting points about her first story, but bare in mind it's important to note as well, the level of hypocrisy Caiti has faced throughout this entire ordeal, and the extremity of hate that George has, too. Referring to the video titled 'My Story' , on this youtube channel; it's a vod (I'm fairly sure the whole vod) of Caiti's original story. She uses the term "freshly 18" TWICE. Once at the beginning of her story, and another at the end while she's quoting from her diary entry, which she claims to be from 6 months after vidcon and the encounter with George. She wrote the phrase "Freshly 18" down, you can see this because she's actually reading the words off her phone. Now, whether it is actually from a real diary entry or something she claims to be, is difficult to prove. Right after, she uses meticulously picked language in phrases such as "I felt so grown up" when referring to being at Vidcon with her fellow streamers, and "I was so naive". Which paints her as an infantilized figure in the story. She goes out of her way to choose these phrases and terms to make herself look smaller, more vulnerable. You often see these types of things done in testimonials present in court cases, biased media and literature: to sway the audience to perceive the subject in a certain way. This is important to note, because there was intent behind these words. It's also worth acknowledging that the cadence of her entire speech and diary entry in her original video is written too poetically to be considered prose. However, the fact is: She was born in January, met him in june and claims to have made a mistake where she wanted to say "freshly out of highschool" instead of "freshly 18" ... Despite having written it in her script for the video AND her 'diary entry from 6 months later'. The inconsistency is odd and I think people are overlooking it too much. In his debunking video, George consistently works to provide proof against her allegations. However, he gets facts wrong, just as she does. It's important to observe the sheer severity of the backlash that Caiti has recieved as a result of getting facts wrong, and its severity in comparison to George's. George received little to no backlash, feedback or call to action at all for getting key points he made in his rebuttal to her statement wrong. One of the main points George makes that he gets wrong is that she was with people wearing a 21+ wristband, and assumed she was 21+ as well. When she wasn't at all. Despite her coming to the hotel room drunk, and in america where the drinking laws are strict it's understandable that he made an assumption about her age - and that her being drunk can be misleading - however it doesn't shake the fact that he could have asked to double or even triple check her age once she was in the room and that she was touched without a quick check in, it's always easy once you're getting into close proximity with someone new to say "hey! is this okay?" "do you want some space" "can I scoot in with you" and to make direct observations of their response vs their body language. George could have done this. George also goes on tangents to provide proof in her inconsistencies by mentioning the discrepancies in her stories regarding the timing of other people's presences and absences in the hotel room. This isn't relevant to the story and in itself, is a diluted argument technique also often used to distract and sway viewers into believing that the opposing party in a debate, argument or (in more serious circumstances) court cases is less trustworthy and/or is incorrect. Think of it as a : "If she was wrong about THIS, she is wrong about THAT" Here we can see them BOTH use evocative tools in attempt to sway the overarching view. It is important as viewers, and people with brains to be able to see this, and look past it, to view only the facts. She claims to have admitted to everyone that she was 18, and a virgin during a questions drinking game in this first video. Which, seems to have little to no evidence of occurring, there's a few things that suggest this. Mainly, George and Dream's meticulous efforts to try and debunk why they didn't know her age and his conclusion arriving at the difference in the way Instagram displays user information in direct messaging, rather than George just admitting to forgetting she said anything about her being 18. On top of this, in light of the excessive controversy that Dream was facing at the time surrounding his false grooming accusations; they would absolutely NOT have taken a gamble on providing an underaged girl they had just met alcoholic beverages. Speaking of Alcohol : Caiti also claims that they insisted on drinking games, she attempts to paint the hosts as predatory here thorough more use of meticulously chosen language. We know she is able to write as such, due to the poetic cadence of her diary entry shared at the end. In the first video, she leaves out the information that she and George were cuddling on the couch, even if it wasn't a wanted advancement; anyone who would want their story to be taken seriously despite the embarrassment it could cause would understand how discrediting it can appear if information like this was willingly withheld. Though, we have to also cut her some slack, as she is very obviously young, scared and has witnessed how ruthless stans can be.. Unfortunately, we are able to see it first hand with the way this has unfolded. However, during her recount of this she claims that his advance was 'out of nowhere' and that he touched her waist, "..disguised it as an 'are you ticklish" and that she was so shocked and panicked by the advancement of him touching her waist that she "coughed out a no" , another example of an active choice to use evocative language. That being said; George confirmed this happened, and that he touched her waist, under her shirt but went no further, however in THIS video (final thoughts) she claims that he groped her breasts, which escalates the story much further. "it's frustrating seeing him admit to doing what he did to me" Important to note here that he admitted to touching her under her shirt, and not groping her breasts without consent. Her response regarding 'taking it up with the law' is entirely discouraging, and I would encourage everyone with in a situation that involves assault or mistreatment of any kind to at least try to reach out to law enforcement services. It's no secret that they're extremely inconsistent and in some places, not as helpful as we'd like.. but unless you literally work in one of these places, you cannot and should not dismiss the mere concept of reaching out.. as she does here. "...the one thing we agree on is that he touched me, and I wasn't okay with it. He didn't ask me if it was okay." Is now incorrect. He has not come out and validated her claims that he groped her breasts. He has just validated touching her under her shirt. Another thing to realize, is that the backlash Caiti is facing focuses on the TYPE of touch she experienced during this night, rather than the attempt to validate whether it happened at all. It's a pretty believable story as it is, people believe that she was uncomfortable, people believe that she was touched in a way she didn't want to be. That is important. whether it was sexual assault, and if George allegedly groped her breasts, is an entirely separate ( yet very relevant ) exploration. The fact is that she was touched, without her consent. Whether or not her label of it being assault, or sexual assault, even is another thing. This does not mean that it is valid to completely disregard her story, her feelings and attack her on so many different fronts, as I see here in this comment section, and all over the internet. Overall, it seems like a giant misunderstanding and the fire of the fans and multiple people's opinions has weighed in on it in ways that it really didn't need to. There's fault on both sides. However, if it is found that he did not touch her inappropriately and that he really did just stay in the midriff reason, there is little to no way to accept that as sexual assault. That being said, she is still allowed to feel deeply uncomfortable, scared and scarred from the experience. We, as viewers should serve to not take that away from her. Rather, we should strive to gain the hard information over the opinions of other creators. Things like this should not be turned into drama. THE TREATMENT THAT BOTH CAITI AND GEORGE HAVE FACED OVER ALLEGATIONS IS DESPICABLE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS SEXUAL ASSAULT. This needs to be thought about when making public comments and assumptions about this whole situation. I'll end with this: It's ALWAYS better to have believed a liar, than it is to have believed a predator. Either way, the truth will always come out and the facts will be revealed.

[@mysticeditsstuff]

no fucking way y’all think georgenotfound the Minecraft creator is out here touching girls using the power bestowed upon him via manhunts 💀 🙏

[@poovie_eats5316]

I love this comment so much. The thing with the internet is that most people have to “pick a side” when they have little to no evidence (not do proper research. My personal opinion on this is that it was some big misunderstandings where both parties have their faults. The only reason i mostly “side” with george is from the way she reacts. Imo (again its just my personal thoughts) the way she reacts is super theatrical and i moght even say tiktok-acting style. And the way she words thing is giving a but of fanfiction style a 12 y/o wrote. Ofc this just might be her way to encourage others to speak up abt their experiences, but as a SA victim myself i find this very particular. Even tho i consider myself being in the milder side when experiencing SA, its still SA nonetheless. If caiti rly was groped, it wouldve been smthg worse then what I experienced. SA is no easy thing to deal with. It took me a while to decide to actually tell someone and even then i was super anxious, scared, and akward abt it. Even now i still get very akward when it is brought up and i tend to avoid it, so seeing how she’s reacting just rubs me the wrong way

[@duckyh9712]

It was a nice comment until you made a mistake. Minecraft kid never said she was wearing one but said she saw one of the freinds have it. She then made a video making it more clear for this that twisted his words

[@Reneeishere]

edited to correct it, thanks for letting me know. @@duckyh9712

[@KhadijaMustafa-lz5hi]

your ending is completely RIDICULOUS. if it's a predator and liar situation is completely stupid. if she's a liar, how is he a pedo? that doesn't add up. plus, you labelling her as simply a liar is blantanlty weird. she's an abuser and a manipulator who took this situation to her advantage. and George has definitely received more hate for stupid reasons. george should take legal action. she committed a crime of underage drinking. not him.

[@realinfinity620]

The top comments on here is so different to the Twitter cesspool I’ve seen it’s insane (to clarify, YT comments are more sane)

[@pipaliveshere]

because people on twitter are chronically online and have never had an actual human interaction outside of their mutuals😭they have no idea how life works😭

[@realinfinity620]

@@pipaliveshereexactly dude. But people are talking more trash about George than they ever did about Wilbur. Probably because one is friends with the “cringe Green Speedrunner guy” and you know how they would act towards him

[@pipaliveshere]

@@realinfinity620 SO FKIN TRUE. this shi is a nothing burger. wilbur "the bite of 87" soot at least has some actual witnesses backing up shelby's claims and I'm pretty sure he's guilty. but obviously people gotta shit on gnf because ummm akshully dream ish a groomer🤓🤓☝️(he disproved these claims already and people just have no life to live outside of Twitter.) this is all insane. at first I felt sympathetic towards caiti in the sense that she must've been hurt(shouldn't have made these at the very least bold and actually dangerous accusations) and she handled everything immaturely. but seeing this shi makes me believe more and more she's a manipulative attention seeker.

[@pipaliveshere]

@@realinfinity620 YES. like this is INSANE. wilbur "the bite of 87" soot situation at least has some actual witnesses backing up Shelby. and I think he's genuinely guilty and weird. BUT THIS. Twitter chose this nothing burger over claims with actual merit. the funny part is at first I felt somewhat sympathetic towards this girl since I guessed she actually felt hurt by all of this which obviously doesn't excuse her actions. but I thought she's just immature like that and handled situation poorly. BUT THIS. this abomination of a response. makes me think more an more she's just an attention seeker who likes wallowing in self pity and receiving pity. like. wow.

[@Kanniu.]

twitter is full of absolute clowns just looking to gain moral superiority over others

[@Damien_nelson]

This girl is pissing me off already with her bullshit and mockery toward us sa survivor 😐

[@meowmeowxP]

u so right boy!!!

[@Forever_Thatter]

that's exactly what she is: a mockery.

[@redishine]

no just fucking no? why do YOU get to police how she handles things bc you were a sa survivor? i am too and you are being gross

[@jessietheonly149]

I couldn’t agree more.

[@stefi.neag1]

What did she say that apparently mocks SA survivors?

[@Vhillain]

Imagine accusing someone of a crime publicly and when people tell you to take it to the law you tell them "fuck you". People don't get justice when they can't prove their case, she can't even win in the court of public opinion so she knows she wont win in a legal case and is pissed about it.

[@avascouture]

a lot of people like caiti don't take their cases to court because women's sexual assault cases aren't taken seriously, especially when they're drunk.

[@Vhillain]

@@avascouture A lot of people like caiti should keep their allegations to themselves if they can't or aren't willing to prove anything, she just wanted to make an allegation without evidence and without repercussions and is now facing the music and thinks its "ridiculous" that she is getting treated with scrutiny, as if people aren't scrutinizing both sides. You shouldn't accuse someone of a crime if you aren't going to prove it (she's tried to weasel out of this by saying that victims shouldn't "have to provide evidence" unfortunately, when you're accusing someone of a crime this isn't how it works). And if you're going to accuse someone, you better get your facts straight the first time and keep your story consistent. It's not up to me to say whether caiti is or isn't a victim, but i don't think she's done that great of a job to prove that she's a victim, she's just done a lot of theatrics to act like one, and unfortunately to anyone who isn't willing to take you at just face value that only goes so far.

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@avascoutureI know lot of cases where ppl falsely accused someone to ruin the their life.why not compare this case to it? She knows that it’s not SA.the way she said her lying doesn’t matter & irrelevant & eveyone should listen to her makes her not reliable at all.

[@davidhoffman2311]

More likely she’s just pissed because he ghosted her and she wanted revenge.

[@bufongodemdabae308]

@@avascoutureshe’s the reason they aren’t taken seriously

[@anso5833]

I think George definitely touched her because he's admitted it, but I don't think he did it with malicious intent or he wanted to sa her. Given the circumstances he probably thought he could take it to the next level, he probs interpreted that from her body language. I think George was definitely confused because she didn't show signs of discomfort and even had convos with him after the fact. I think Caiti is right to feel uncomfortable about it, but not right to say he sa'd her like he's some malicious villain, because I think he was oblivious to the fact that she actually didn't want it. He couldn't read her mind and she expected him to.

[@The_swan_god]

This is kind of where I’m at right now. However I think people’s issue is that Cati is making it seem like George is a predator.

[@anso5833]

@@The_swan_god Yeah true, I don't think he did it with any malicious intent tbh I think he was just a little dumb and thought she was into him so he took the next step

[@justarandomperson331]

it is sexual assault. it doesnt matter what George's intentions were, he touched her boobs without consent. that is sexual assault.

[@flyingtounicornfyt8034]

Thank you. That's what I have been saying since day 1. But Twitter folks litreally do not understand what making a move on someone at a party is

[@Marisol-ig2ft]

He never admitted to touching her chest he admitted to touching her stomach that it

[@Makithe2nd]

Still, it's weird that they were drunk and remember a decent amount of information, both of them

[@itsanchill]

I remember every bit of every time I got drunk. You don’t have to be blackout drunk every time.

[@Makithe2nd]

@@itsanchill oh, ok thanks for the clarification (that's how you write clarification, right?)

[@BeeSwarmingURn]

@@itsanchillI think she originally said she *was* blackout drunk though

[@laury.s.c]

it was traumatizing for her, of course she remembers.

[@blackfrost9011]

Bro she can’t stop smiling in the beginning and actively has to try her hardest to put on her sad/angry act

[@laury.s.c]

she's not trying to start the stream screaming and crying????? hello???

[@usefulusinguser]

She seems to have absolutely no issue with revealing this oh so traumatic information she kept out for being oh so traumatic even though she isn’t giving us the water works lol. Someone take this chicks router away.

[@Makithe2nd]

Some people call that being brave, i would Edit: Now the only problem is that it's starting to look all weird, stories don't make sense, if more people went to the party, shouldn't we ask them what actually happened, why don't they say anything? The friends made some stories that don't match with what she says, she didn't mention the first time that he touched her water melons and it makes it out to be suspicious

[@usefulusinguser]

@@Makithe2nd stunning, even…

[@Makithe2nd]

@@usefulusinguser i know right?

[@usefulusinguser]

@@Makithe2nd a real modern day MLK!

[@Makithe2nd]

@@usefulusinguser ok, what is it actually?

[@sarah29134]

Im just confused cause shes talking about how she was so uncomfortable in the moment, and wtv, but in a screenshot provided when her friend asked about George touching her she said "idk I was chilling in the moment". ?? U can't regret something days/months later and then decide to ruin someones life.

[@gonnacry5077]

That genuinely crazy I could understand if she regrets that perfectly ok and normal but trying to accuse someone because you regretted something is stupid

[@thegigahxrtz]

Man this is whole situation is fucked. I get she may have been uncomfortable during the touching, but man, you GOTTA set your boundaries and let people know. You cannot revoke consent after the fact and blame the other party as if they intentionally assaulted you. That’s just malicious.

[@Vhillain]

holy shit 5 minutes into the vod and she did nothing but cheer and go "hiii mods!" with big smiles and bounce around the place singing and then the mood immediately shifts as she apologizes for how things might be out of order and she might say the wrong things and then starts getting angry/sad as she immediately accuses him of something she NEVER brought up before. I'd think that after he initially brought up that he only touched her waist and tickled her while they were cuddling for an hour would've been a great time in her second response to say "actually he fondled my tit, but left that out of his story conveniently" however, in her first statement she didn't specify anything at all, in her second statement she acknowledged it was cuddling and how she left it out because it "wasnt important", and now she's adding in that he touched her tit out of nowhere because nothing else is working. At this point i cant even believe it, she is trying way too hard to make him look more and more evil, she needs to say things right the first time and not have a new story every time she gets challenged. I'm not even a fan of GNF but I can't stand people who try to ruin other's careers with clear cut lies. Try actually being a victim before you take their voice as your own. Congrats on taking the light off of Shelby, someone who was seemingly (but at least believably) getting physically abused, because you wanted your five minutes.

[@auberynchen5031]

how is asexuality relevant to this

[@TVHEAD69-247]

George’s argument is “she seemed happy and enjoyed the touch” so she’s saying “how could have I enjoyed it if I’m asexual.” Asexual means one has no sexual drive or attraction to either sex.

[@sydthepurepwnage4]

@@TVHEAD69-247 yeah but this falls apart because in her first response she said she came to see another guy...

[@Ben-zg8xk]

she just keeps changing the narrative whenever someone calls out her lies. why didnt she say she was asexual from the start?

[@avascouture]

@@sydthepurepwnage4people can date while being asexual

[@vch309]

Basically useless ​@@avascouture

[@Jreaddy]

The fact she said “focus on the issue of blind idolization” tells me she wanted to cancel him because she is mad he has fans that follow him, and they don’t know him, but she feels like she does, and obviously liked him, but he didn’t give the same back, now he’s a bad guy.

[@SomonSally-he5qz]

@Jreaddy I feel like she is the popular bad guwrl in high school and she asked a guy out and he said no so she started calling the whole school he SA’d her 😭

[@inonowanna248]

she was most likey a mean girl@@SomonSally-he5qz

[@user-qq2ic2vd7y]

She lying. She has changed her story multiple times. Lied about who texted her certain things. She lied about them not drinking before going to the hotel room. She lied because she said she was Chill and everything was good in the moment and she only started to have issues days later when a friend brought stuff up but then in her retelling she tells how traumatized she was in the moment meaning she lied one way or another.

[@avascouture]

trauma makes memories blurry. she was also drunk.

[@Very_Hauntly]

this isnt blurry memories. its just blatant lying to create the narrative that george is some predatory freak.@@avascouture

[@realmsattire2465]

@@avascouture Wack excuse. The dude she accused never took anything further than cuddling, and she provides no proof of legit sexual assault, so what more excuses can we give other than that she regretted it after?

[@krim-xn7jn]

​@@avascouturerun it back

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@realmsattire2465no.he touched her waist & chest area after cuddling. she didn’t said no to it but rather giggling & went back to cuddling him.just bcz she regrets it does make it as SA

[@Smugrat2005]

i don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth anymore now i am just pointing and laughing.

[@Lenkadalaale123]

This is so unserious please💀

[@flateric2k109]

She is a yapster

[@Aleks-fv6gs]

Right, at 30:58 She talks about his only sources are his friends. It's quite possible Caiti's friends pushed her to make this, why would he go to her friends? they all say the same BS as her.

[@Andrea-mn3dx]

this

[@takagalore]

They don’t even say the same things 😭 Her friend says they weren’t drunk when they got there while Caiti is saying that she was

[@The_VoidSpace]

Here is something I can see. One, the shaking her head. This can be an internal reaction with certain words she is saying that IS NOT correlating to what happened. Two, her avoiding the camera or facing the camera could be her anxiety. Whether it is because she is running out of time to continue this cycle of adding things on or this is true and she feels like no matter ehat she does it isn't being heard. (Could be the first one). Third, the blinking. She blinks a ton and that could to avoid staring and zoning out.

[@Ian00003]

So she never mentioned that he touched her boob until this statement and didn’t mention they were cuddling either

[@mcoofannoyingperson7069]

They both mentioned it,she didn’t use the word because saying the specific place of where you were touched feels so embarrassing to do. But they both said how he went up.

[@lexii.cooley09]

@@mcoofannoyingperson7069george said be didnt go any farther than her waist, and caiti literally said he admitted to it and said what was true, he said nothing abt her boobs.

[@mcoofannoyingperson7069]

@@lexii.cooley09 he literally said he went above her waiste- “ I then started to move my hand up”

[@jackofastora8962]

@@mcoofannoyingperson7069 your entire torso is above your waist, including the stomach. Sounds like she took advantage of his wording to suddenly go "See! He actually touched my boob!"

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@mcoofannoyingperson7069yeah but still it’s not a SA if she doesn’t said no to it.she herself said she is chilling & oky at that moment so she can’t blame the guy later for it.

[@bloodaonadeline8346]

if you’re cuddling with someone and they touch you and you don’t say no that doesn’t make them evil. This is how people learn sexual contact. There isn’t some manual somewhere that says if a girl is touching you you can’t touch them unless you know they will be 100% ok with what they do.

[@Deadrum]

“I didn’t MEAN to say “freshly” 18!” *said freshly 18 more than once in og video*

[@Deadrum]

“I can’t grow from this, I privated everything” Was this before or after people started questioning your authenticity in this story..? ALSO what is private other than her IG?

[@Benjamslikestrains]

Also she repeated freshly 18 in her first response after George's video, in no possible way did she misspeak, she intentionally and maliciously phrased it that way.

[@laury.s.c]

you know damn well what she meant. and she was sobbing, very clearly overwhelmed. SORRY that she was struggling to get her story out there???

[@Deadrum]

@@laury.s.c Okedoke, not buying what you’re saying. She lied/exaggerated and that was the dumbest thing she could have possibly done here. Saying she’s overwhelmed is literally just providing a weird excuse for her. So no, I don’t know ‘damn well’ what she meant.

[@Deadrum]

@@Benjamslikestrains exactly. And idk if it was a stream or not, but she easily could’ve edited that out.

[@vickyvic359]

24:43 I dont get why shes upset about people talking about her story when she publicly told everyone what happened. This all couldve been dealt with in private😭

[@baeebgrl]

right and her upset about this being tied to her name when all she had to do was talk about it in private

[@misscatto07]

Idk about y'all but her smiling throughout this entire video while there's George almost cried while responding just makes me so angry

[@microsaladhd3750]

Why does she look away from the camera...looks like those cringe acting rp tikoks or like CW acting

[@ever-fh4qf]

Probably because streamers have multiple screens and she's looking at the screen that has chat on it or has her streaming controls on it?....

[@ever-fh4qf]

@@k_wl Not making eye contact is also a sign of anxiety and emotional distress. It could also be a sign of falling in love or maybe hating someone. It could also be that you're shy, or maybe you're tired. Literally just because it can mean lying doesn't mean it has to. Besides, if you ever try to film yourself, I bet you, instead of looking at that tiny hole you call a camera, you're looking at the mirror image of yourself. At least, in my case, I find it pretty distracting just to zone in on that tiny dot. Obviously, everyone is different, hence George, and tbh, I found it just a little bit unsettling how it looked like he was peering into my soul during his recording. Plus, she was reading off the script she wrote so she literally needed to not make eye contact. I'm not even saying that she was in the right or in the wrong, I'm just saying that this argument, in fact, a lot of the arguments made against her are literally illogical. Same with some arguments made for her.

[@griff7887]

She probably just thinks it’s the best angle of her face

[@MrsSmith-oi5kh]

The burden of proof is always on the accuser to prove. Why she mad that ppl question her inconsistence story 🤔

[@crunchungus4972]

bEcAuSe iM a wOmAn

[@Vhillain]

Because she believes that victims shouldn't have to prove themselves to be believed. Which they don't, at least on twitter anyway. Buzzwords go wild over there

[@mysticeditsstuff]

She actually needs proof and logic to convince ppl on YT that she got SA’d on Twitter you can say anything and they will bite 💀

[@laury.s.c]

it was not inconsistent. she was ASSAULTED and when she explained her first story, she was clearly having trouble expressing what happened through her SOBS AND TEARS??????? like, obviously she was overwhelmed and scared and wanted to get it over with.

[@mysticeditsstuff]

@@laury.s.c sure she was, you are part of the reason men go to jail for years for crimes they didn't commit, in a criminal justice court you need around 95% certainty with evidence, she has no evidence and on top of that she was drinking underage

[@flip701]

He said he is bringing up the "irrelevant" things to show his perspective and give more context, because he was being painted as a predator for fucks sake

[@CH22Live]

And Caiti fails to realize that if her telling of the story is inaccurate, people are gonna question her story's legitimacy.

[@flip701]

@@CH22Live Exacly, the fact that she has 'misunderstood/miss-spoke' about 8 different things is making her loose credibility

[@HeelHook96]

> Caiti makes a false claim > George shows it's a false claim > "He's focusing on the irrelevant things!!" It's crazy that anybody can be on her side. I have no doubt she regrets it and she's completely valid to feel that and honestly she'd valid to feel angry at him because of that, but what's absolutely not okay is to say he did anything wrong let alone double down and accuse him of even more stuff.

[@flip701]

@@HeelHook96 I do think she is geniuenly hurting because of what happened and both of them made mistakes that night, but it just isn't fair to act like george is some horrible dangerous assulter. Also it's ridiculous that she didn't watch his response and then was upset that people didn't watch her stream and instead read summaries when she did THE SAME THING like cmon now

[@naystapeak320]

Hey guys someone who’s good at reading body language shows that she is NOT being truthful!!!

[@Ghaghdjs]

Her head movement is really weird she shakes it like she acting or idk just weird feeling. Also the way she annunciates certain words gives me the feeling she lying hard to explain.

[@naystapeak320]

@@Ghaghdjs I know what you mean as someone who studies and has a profession in that I can very obviously tell she’s lying or had her friends write it another note is that I’m not a George fan im not biased.

[@techedbirb6663]

There a link to this? Also I already found her to be bullshitting with her humming, and smiling

[@justarandomperson331]

source: trust me bro. body language is nonsense lol. that means nothing

[@naystapeak320]

@@justarandomperson331 oh it does mean a lot you just don’t know how to read it. It’s different when you do it as a profession and have years or practise.

[@justusalt7571]

giving false info, changing story, and using it for clout. If this doesn't make it obvious enough. She says no signs of consent were given but from both sides there was clear Nonverbal consent. She starts by saying she didn't speak with him much and was trying to make the experience awkward Ard so he would leave *would make sense if she was telling the truth* she then changes her story to say she was actively engaging in conversations and the cuddling *drastic change in story*. This already would kind of clear him cause actively chatting/cuddling doesn't show signs of discomfort or unwillingness. If anything, this will show a person you are interested in them *first sign of nonverbal consent*. What I'm about to say in the next part doesn't matter too much but should still be taken into consideration. Most victims will not go out on the internet about it and get mad at other people while keeping all forms of monetization on. Also, if she was telling the truth and had all this proof that she didn't want to show the community why wouldn't she take it to the police. She definitely needs to work on her lying skills. Pick a story and go with it changing your story 10 times is just going to make you suspicious. Crying on the internet keeping monetization on trying to make profit off the event also doesn't look good for you. Having large drastic changes in your stories also give it away. She was clearly trying to alter the event into her favor to seem like a "victim" and gain sympathy and support from other who have actually gone through real SA. Really sad and disappointing that there is no backlash to this creator for spreading such intense lies.

[@justusalt7571]

to me this case honestly sounds like someone lied about their age to get attention once their age was found out they were ghosted and when she was ghosted she decided to try and ruin his career if anything this sounds like it would be an amazing defamation case. "Girl lies about being SA for money and attention and tries to ruin anothers reputation"

[@aliciamarie3096]

Not her sub count dropping

[@whosanaiah]

dude stop changing the damn story

[@clover0002]

As a sa victim, she makes me feel like a joke. When she said "my bad" it sounded so sarcastic. You can tell by her body language.

[@racheldrawz]

timestamp of when she said my bad please

[@naoedouard4422]

I hope you have a good day, know that JESUS died for you and loves you so very much!

[@laury.s.c]

also as a victim, you need to be quiet. YOU should know better than any one else that sexual assault comes in ALL types of forms. believe victims. freak.

[@clover0002]

@@laury.s.c okay, you can have your own opinion on the situation? you dont need to call me a freak.

[@laury.s.c]

@@clover0002 your "opinion" is a stupid attempt of putting down other victims that went through something just like you did. you should be ashamed of yourself. maybe you're commenting this because someone said these things to you? are you so upset with how your own experience went that you just have to try and hurt others?

[@slipjones302]

The fact that his responses make her say she would never forgive him should tell you everything. Dude was literally SO NICE THAT IT MADE ME MAD. Dude literally gave you so many outs and even stuck up for you against your crappy friends. It’s crazy to me that you can watch his vids and honestly come to the conclusion that he had bad intentions and that he doesn’t deserve you accepting his apology. It makes me mad that he has been so understanding and nice to you this entire time and you still continue to try and ruin his life and assume bad intent when there’s no evidence of that whatsoever and so much evidence of the contrary

[@AxlPatrol]

"He won't say 'yeah yeah I knew her age'" Girl you were 18, it doesn't matter if he knew your age or not. You're acting like you were underaged. Also, the "power imbalance" point is pointless. He had no authority over you and didn't act like he did. Just because he had more subscribers than you. A power structure that you can just ignore isn't real.

[@rosaline9818]

that's not how any of thay works axl

[@kirbysthiccthighs]

the power imbalance is VERY much real. Dream and George are MASSIVE content creators. She wasn’t, and still isn’t. That is a power imbalance. They have the same twitch manager. You think that most managers would drop George when he’s objectively making them more money? That’s another power imbalance. Is some of what she’s saying sus? Sure. Does that mean all of it is a lie? No- and ESPECIALLY not the power imbalance.

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@kirbysthiccthighshow is it power imbalance when he never used it to threaten her? R u stupid?

[@weirdguy4948]

@@kirbysthiccthighsreading comprehension left the chat

[@doubter365]

@@rosaline9818explain because it definitely does

[@monexpos]

15:34 she starts literally attacking people who are trying to help her by suggesting legal action. If she’s not seeking legal action then what’s the point of this? To spread hate towards George? That’s toxic af. And I hate how she calls it “my story” if you had a negative experience, don’t base yourself around that experience. Also, if you’re gonna provide evidence make sure you don’t mix things up, especially at this scale. She has so many red flags in her side of it. The further I watch the worse it gets. She needs to be aware that anything she puts online stays online, and that most people will have access to it. She’s upset with the unwanted attention she’s getting for this, but once again she ASKED for it by posting this online. This also leads me to believe there’s some lies going on, because what else did she expect by accusing a giant content creator, not to get any attention? That’s dumb af

[@avascouture]

the point of this is to let people know who theyre supporting

[@krim-xn7jn]

​@@avascouture we don't know that without a court case,burden of proof is on her.

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@avascouture why does it matter when what he did is not a SA? just bcz she regrets it now does make it SA

[@doubter365]

@@avascoutureshe did a shitty job with barely any evidence and with the little "evidence" she has being faked

[@enaitat]

This girl needs to stop. She is not a victim and this is so damaging to victims. She needs to stop listening to her friends and educate herself on what actual SA is and read/talk to actual victims. And it doesn't matter if you're a day over 18. If you're 18 you're an adult, stop pretending you're a child. Grow up and learn to accept rejection. He needs to stop trying to be nice and sue for defamation already.

[@fawzamaisarah459]

What is actual SA? Is touching someone's chest without consent not SA?

[@Very_Hauntly]

she obviously just blatantly lied to push the narrative that george was being predatory when none of this in reality was true in the moment@@fawzamaisarah459

[@keijo4359]

@@fawzamaisarah459 it didnt happen.. she has lied multiple times, keeps changing the story and witnesses have proven her wrong

[@unfortunate000]

@@fawzamaisarah459funny how there were no witnesses in a room full of people who mentioned her chest being groped the only person who has made that claim is caiti wonder why 😂

[@krim-xn7jn]

​@@fawzamaisarah459that never happened lets be serious,stop believing everything at face value its clearly a manipulative tactic to retain victimhood.

[@Musical_cat851]

I think she was doing this so that she could add to her story like allowing George to slip his hand under her shirt so that she could set the platform. Get up to grab a drink then go back to see what else she can add

[@laurie3607]

27:50 (and after) I feel like that was so random I acknowledge that she is hurt and that’s valid but a lot of this just feels like anger talking. He’s apologised what do you want him to do¿ there’s so much miscommunication that should’ve been kept private. If she wouldn’t said no and backed off and he kept following her or pushing her I could understand 100% he is awful but she didn’t do I think they should just both be adult about it and move on now. I also think power shouldn’t be brought up as something so big if she felt like that it’s fine and valid but it’s not his fault about that.

[@fawzamaisarah459]

I think this stream is more for the people who kept twisting her words or making up assumptions. And you can't really just move on and accept an apology from an abuser? Its not like "sorry i stole your pencil". So i think for us viewers, we really should just take a step back and let both of them breathe and have a say in this without attacking caiti.

[@laurie3607]

@@fawzamaisarah459 I feel like caiti is very angry which is understandable but she’s also very immature which is understandable since it’s her first time being an adult. However I wouldn’t say George abused her as such he was in the wrong and he acknowledged that whether caiti decides to accept that apology is up to her but I think it should just end now.

[@fawzamaisarah459]

@@laurie3607 who are you to say he didnt abuse her as such? And still, it really is up to her to keep talking about it. Anger talking or responding to this situation, is such a relevant response from her. Imagine u came out about someone who assaulted you and the whole internet says youre lying, and your abuser is shifting the blame to you, wouldnt you want to clear things up? How is it not his fault in this. He is so wrong and whatever caiti is doing right now, is not even equal to sexual assault. We're talking about sexual assault.

[@laurie3607]

@@fawzamaisarah459 I didn’t say she lied I believe he did touch her, but if you’re going to cuddle someone the whole night or not leave when you had the chance you are going to give someone wrong signals. He was in the wrong and he apologised, it never would of got this big if a she would’ve said something like “I’m asexual” “I don’t want this” etc if he wouldn’t have backed off after that then yes I could understand it getting this big. Abuse is a strong word and I wouldn’t use it here.

[@fawzamaisarah459]

@laurie3607 dude. We dont even know how that 'cuddling' looks like. She even said in this video that they were sitting beside each other. And tell me when is it ever appropriate to get your hands under someone's shirt, in front of other people?

[@craigtucker101-slinger]

Bro if you see someone posting a situation that should had handled private + court than 99.99% of the times this is just drama to milk their account

[@eloras5295]

The fact that he touched her doesn't even make a difference, she still sat there smiling, while he is in the wrong for not saying anything, she didn't say anything either like be so fr. These people have never been touched cause 8/10 times cuddling with the opposite sex leads to something more. She's lying when she says it came out of nowhere. She was drunk under her own responsibility. So her not saying no is her liability. She is falsely saying miscommunication is assault.

[@laurie3607]

I think there’s just been a lot of miscommunication which happens in life and he has apologised so I’m not sure what else people are expecting him to do. If she would’ve said no or pushed him away 100% cancel him if he didn’t respect her boundaries I understand that but no words were exchanged

[@eloras5295]

exactly, idk why she's playing the victim when they both were at fault@@laurie3607

[@ShrillTouchedGrass]

Not trying to defend caiti, I'm more on George's side on this fight (even though he's still a bad person.), as a post-caitibugzz fan, even, but silence is NOT consent. The fact that she didn't say "no" does NOT mean she consented to it. Not saying no does not mean "go ahead". I know you've probably heard these words before especially during this situation (silence is not consent) but you seriously have to remember what that means. Come on, now.

[@ShrillTouchedGrass]

And, again, just to get the point across, i was previously a big fan of the both of them but in this moment am not watching the two's regular content.

[@laurie3607]

@@ShrillTouchedGrass ofc silence isn’t consent and he should’ve asked before hand but at a point where they were together the whole night did give the wrong impression especially to drunk people and I think this should’ve stayed private more so than be put public.

[@bilal771]

Why can't she just respectfully talk with george, he doesn't seem to be a dangerous guy or anything.

[@SomonSally-he5qz]

@bilal771 I think because she wants to ruin his career. If she really wanted to put him in jail or smth she could’ve sue him but no she took this to social media

[@avascouture]

you don't know him personally. you don't know who he is. this is so parasocial

[@saraleonorgomezcasicote5086]

You don't know her either🤣 ​@@avascouture

[@avascouture]

@@saraleonorgomezcasicote5086 well no shit thanks for stating the obvious

[@bilal771]

​@sekaiisoulz don't you think it is just normal to gradually go from cuddling to touching other parts when you initiate sex? Asking verbal consent is not always possible, and they had been cuddling for an hour, she walked multiple times during this period, she could have just walked away from the couch

[@myamyawin8961]

Caiti at first video : 😢😢😥😥 Caiti now : 😊😊😁😁✨✨

[@laury.s.c]

it's been a while, she's feeling better??? her emotional state is solid???

[@l0sts0ul89]

​@@laury.s.c uhh pretty sure ACTUAL victims of SA will tell you that wouldn't be the case

[@Quantum40496]

Stop yapping about Caitiroaches​@@laury.s.c

[@S.hewchuk]

Caiti please just stop. You should have handled this in private. You should have taken this to court if you're SO confident that is what happened.

[@Handle4694]

15:00

[@CH22Live]

She KNOWS she could have brought this up in court, as she says at 14:58 but says she wouldn't be brought justice and says "fuck you" to people telling her to take it to court. Except why not have anyone who was around at the time say what they saw? And George even came clean about having a hand on her, so she could have a case at this point, but no. She does this livestream to try to make herself look like she's not the bad guy and to try to drag George's name through the mud even more.

[@laury.s.c]

HANDLED IN PRIVATE????? IT WAS ASSAULT, FROM A HUGE CREATOR???

[@S.hewchuk]

@@laury.s.c it was not assault. it was a miscommunication.

[@CH22Live]

@@laury.s.c Do NOT tell me you're on Caiti's side even though EVERYONE knows that the situation isn't what she tried to make it look like.

[@rottakeppi]

I went in to Caitibugzzs discord and holy shit people are delusional there, somehow they are defending her after people blatantly exposed her for false allegations. It is mind bogling.

[@randomwatcher8673]

It's simply because she's cute...Men are easily deceived...

[@Clamity_llunz]

Bro theres so many things that are weird abt this

[@stealthanimates]

I dont usually comment on stuff like this, but this whole situation is really pissing me off as an actual SA victim. Especially with the part about how she didnt want her story to be in comment sections and as clickbait and as talking points. Girl, you made a serious accusation towards a large content creator about an illegal crime. WTF DID YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN?? THAT PEOPLE WOULD JUST BRUSH OVER IT AND BELEIVE YOU AND MOVE ON??? I beleived her at first, even though I recognized some of her points seemed off. Like the "freshly 18" thing and how it seemed more like a poem/story than an actual retelling of a serious situation. But then Georges response came out and it honestly made much more sense. And the fact that she wont even try to take legal action. I believe her feelings, but her actions and her words arent adding up. All she wants to do is destroy another mc youtubers career and have attention for it, she doesnt want actual justice on her behalf or for SA victims. She only cares about taking George down. Because if this was real, then shed take him to court and THEN word would get around. In this day an age, the main reason people bring these accusations to the public is so that the accused gets publicly shamed and ridiculed and have their career destroyed. And some deserve it, like Wilbur, but others are falsely accused and get their livlihood tarnished because some persons being an idiot. If she wants real justice, then get your story straight, write everything down and stick to that story, DO NOT LEAVE ANYTHING OUT, and get the law involved. But she wont do that. Because she doesnt have enough evidence and George didnt SA her. This was merely an experience she regrets, and George now too, and they should talk privately and sort it all out and be done. They dont even have to forgive one another, but they should at least make the decision that it was a bad night and that they recognize they both were in the wrong, learn from their mistakes and move forward.

[@Rachellcs]

ur the rightest one

[@stefi.neag1]

You didn't listen to the video, did you? Because she talks about why she's unable to take legal action.

[@stealthanimates]

@stefi.neag1 I did, and that's actually when I decided to make the comment. Look, I get that the United States justice system is messed up. It truly is. But it's gotten better. And while it's definitely not at 100%, it's better than it was a decade ago. She says she's not taking legal action because there's no chance she'd win according to the justice system. There's two ways we can take that. 1. Believe that the justice system and any court would look her over plainly because they're corrupt, no other reason, qnd completely dismiss her because it wastes their time. Or 2. She wouldn't win because she keeps changing her story, her witnesses that back her up are changing the story, she doesn't have evidence that backs up her claim, and she would potentially get arrested for underage drinking That's not a risk she's gonna take, so instead, she's going to make this public, "cry" that it's now a talking point as if that isn't what she wanted in the first place, and ruin an innocent man's career because she and her friend group despise that friend group. I honestly believe her feelings, I truly believe she is feeling some physiological distress over this, but I think her friends have twisted her perception and made it out to be something it wasn't. She and her friends need help, and they don't need to take someone down to feel closure for a crime that wasn't committed. And before anyone asks, George is in the wrong too. He shouldn't have touched her, and he should have asked. But they were both drunk, they both probably weren't in the head space for verbal communication to be a priority and were just going off how each other was feeling and the nonverbal cues, and made a mistake. It's as simple as that.

[@NuminousIII]

This is such a stupid paragraph. First, your opinion doesn’t mean more than anybody else because you were assaulted, so don’t mention it. Second, no, obviously she didn’t just assume everyone would forget about it but the idea of having your story of being sexual assault plastered around the internet is scary and the idea that you should be making serious judgment calls based off of how she feels about that is ridiculous. “It seemed more like a poem/story” because it’s planned?? she knew what she was going to say?? No shit it didn’t feel like a campfire story, it was rehearsed. She was telling her SA story to hundreds or thousands of people, she knew what she was going to say. This is such a dogshit point and the conformation bias one must have to try and weave this point into looking down on a sexual assault survivor is genuinely disgusting. “legal action” are you fucking stupid?? do you KNOW how a court system works?? do me a favour and google rate of conviction of sexual assault. Google what it takes to convict someone of sexual assault. How the fuck would you expect this to go in court? What physical evidence could she bring? The same as almost everyone single sexual assault survivor that takes their abuser to court, nothing. But then let’s assume she just brings him to court to “spread the word”. She has to put in time, effort, MONEY (because legal fees are a bitch!), retell her story to multiple people, be punched down on and poke fun at, etc. All for her to lose the case like every other sexual assault survivor. But “if this was real, then she’d have taken him to court”, right? If it’s so easy, why don’t you take yours to court? yeah. This is such a fucking dumb paragraph and the fact that you wrote all of this is actually disgusting. Please learn something about the shit you choose to talk about before running your mouth.

[@stefi.neag1]

@stealthanimates you are...kind of a nerd, maybe touch grass

[@CH22Live]

5:36 (Original timestamp was ten seconds too early, my bad) ...Why didn't she say any of this the first time? I'm sure there would be less people supporting George if she actually brought up any details she's stating here. Alright, who wants to bet everything she says in this entire stream is just BS meant to get George cancelled? 😒

[@mcoofannoyingperson7069]

She did say it before…

[@CH22Live]

@@mcoofannoyingperson7069 All I remember is her saying he had his hand under her shirt. Am I stupid, because I literally don't remember her saying this.

[@xath3nax]

@@CH22LiveNo, you’re not stupid. It was as vague as possible, no one mentioned anything about it being under the bra. It was always “side touching” or “under the shirt side touching.” It’s ridiculous no one said this at all before…unless it’s a lie.

[@mcoofannoyingperson7069]

@@CH22Live and saying it went to other places, yes she didn’t specify but when describing your own assult it feels embarrassing to say that places because you feel ashamed. They both said that his hand went up (to her chest).

[@CH22Live]

@@mcoofannoyingperson7069 Makes sense, I guess.

[@felix_a_fiend]

Points for Caiti’s side: - She’s incredibly young - SA victims often have inconsistencies in their stories due to blocking out memories. - She’s clearly distressed over this situation enough that it’s affecting her mentally. - George never asked for verbal consent. - Her friends aren’t being very helpful at the moment and seem to be making things worse. Points for George’s side: - Caiti is at the legal age of consent, and her age is technically irrelevant in that context. - Caiti was breaking the law by drinking underaged. - George was under the impression that Caiti was completely fine with everything they were doing, as she showed zero indication of discomfort and it went on for hours. - Caiti seemingly never took things up privately before making it public, and even seemed to treat him like a friend acquaintance afterwards. As an asexual person, I fully see what Caiti is going through. It seems like she tried something sexual, and regretted after the fact because she isn’t a sexual person and now she feels disgusted with herself. It’s very common. But I don’t think this should’ve been made public until they tried to have a 1 on 1 conversation about it. They could’ve been able to empathize with each other.

[@crunchungus4972]

Have fun asking for verbal consent for every move

[@felix_a_fiend]

@@crunchungus4972 I’m personally someone who wouldn’t be in that situation point blank period. But just to apply some logic for a moment, I don’t think Caiti is asking that consent is asked every single minute they’re together. She seemed to want any at all.

[@felix_a_fiend]

@@crunchungus4972 that’s not to say at the moment I’m unsure of what her goal is. She doesn’t want to sue, she doesn’t want him to apologize, she doesn’t want attention. She didn’t really think it through far enough.

[@naoedouard4422]

I hope you have a good day, know that JESUS died for you and loves you so very much!

[@spacepigeonarmy7776]

This is divorce court at this point💀💀💀

[@chrissyxaftxn]

This is like Johnny Depp and Amber heard case all over again

[@anibalplaza8633]

And dude, what about this “it was to call attention to idolizing” I swear this’s the same as “this was a social experiment “ my god

[@ShrillTouchedGrass]

STOP PLEASE BECAUSE THATS KIND OF TRUE... 😭

[@waniaali8316]

Concent is concent. And he admitted to that and apologized WHAT MORE DOES SHE WANT. She has done her part in spreading awareness and helping others. She is self sabotaging herself again and again instead of letting herself heal and when she is ready to confront him she should do it personally instead of infront of people who don't want nothing good for her. What happened is unfortunate and nobody should get through through something that would effect u this much.

[@laury.s.c]

he admitted it and apologized sure, but he also attempted to debunk her entire story??? he clearly doesn't care.

[@whosanaiah]

YOU SHOULDNT BE DRINKING AT 18 EITHER WAY.

[@sayuhyme]

THIS!! She shouldn’t even BE at a party meant for 21+ YEAR OLDS!!

[@whosanaiah]

@@sayuhyme FR

[@laury.s.c]

okay??? and he shouldn't have come onto her? he shouldn't have touched her without her consent?

[@Nolongerusingthisaccount-t2b]

​@@laury.s.c nah you need to stop

[@Nolongerusingthisaccount-t2b]

Fr she should be with her parents and the same thing goes to her friends

[@THEOX3]

as a SA survivor this is insane and annoying. cat needs to stop posting about this. George made an apology. she's in the wrong.

[@laury.s.c]

out of everyone, YOU should be the one believing her??? I'm also an SA survivor, and that doesn't give anyone a pass to not believe OTHER VICTIMS??? assault comes in all shapes and forms. she was assaulted. you think you would forgive your abuser if they "apologized" to you??? probably not, huh?

[@YeeHeee]

​@@laury.s.c why are you commenting under so many comments with the same wording, are you having a f'ing stroke?

[@andrewtaylor2384]

She was either a theatre kid or was supposed to be. Damn

[@pxtrey]

the fact she lost 1k followers and 10 subs on this stream LOOL

[@dipset22554]

At the end of the video she says when people ask her how far she has gone, she now brings up this false allegation story as her answer. Didn’t she say in her other vid she was a “virgin at the time” implying she has had sex by now tho? Soooo… which is it 304?

[@devonleblanc9152]

How are you going to cuddle with someone on a couch for presumably a while, and when they make an advance not just say no... Its not weird, its weird to let it happen and get mad about it a year later... WOMEN NEED TO BE TAUGHT AUTONOMY.

[@diede8293]

no, men need to be taught to not fucking touch people without consent

[@uspresidentronaldwreagan]

the audacity of her to complain about how the justice system treats victims of sexual assault as if she is not actively making it worse for real victims of sa. idk what her true intent was behind all of this but false accusations like this get completely weaponized against sa victims. while i can imagine this will feed into more common forms of victim blaming -- that the accuser is seeking attention of trying to ruin the accused's life -- i feel like this situation is also going to benefit the rhetoric that more covert means of sexual assault (usually involving manipulation or being taken advantage of) was actually just the victim misreading the situation. she's consciously aware of the ways in which she has twisted it so it's utterly disgusting for her to act like she cares about real victims.

[@CC-lt7xv]

Bruh if someone touched my boob and I didn't want them to touch my boob, but didn't say anything for some reason, my reaction a year later would be "Eww gross... Anyways" like this is not that deep

[@amandakulzz]

so none of the friends stopped it ?

[@dinosaur2.0655]

It's stupid fr

[@chloesaelee2577]

Messed up right?

[@dinosaur2.0655]

@@chloesaelee2577 yeah