Final year of Group B

[@viggen73]

I witnessed the derrangement that went through everyone that year here in Portugal. I remember Markku saying, about the Lancia, that it was a "car that had no straights, ounce you're out of a corner you're into the next one". I cried when I heard Henri had died. Never again will there be such power on an common road.

[@tsport100]

Brilliant! I own most of the Group B videos in this video and the editing to the sound track is epic. Just wait till Rally cars go EV, group B will be reinvented.

[@bootymann29]

Wow well done video!!! R.I.P Henry!!!!

[@Josti88]

Oh yeah sorry. It's the radio contact between Tiziano Siviero (codriver of Biasion) on the spot where Henri crashed and the Lancia camp in Ajaccio. Siviero calling for a fire department cause Henri's car exploded. Fiorio asked if they where out of the car, but he couldn't tell. At the end they say, "Whole Lancia team, return to Ajaccio".

[@rustycuyler]

Nicely done, great editing. This was such a remarkable period in motorsport, it's hard to believe it was 20+ years ago...

[@Josti88]

There's no defining reason for his accident, though it's more or less proved that understeer was obsolete.

[@jackworrall89]

Awesome video, deserves a hell of a lot more views.

[@DriverWillUK]

Amazing video, just wish I'd been able to see these cars and drivers first hand.

[@menoy36]

10+ Fantastic video, great editing. Especially loved switching through different cars in the same shots. Great work. Could use some original sound though ;)

[@Notrends]

Grb had high end technology and much money on development and research. Check s4 turbo compressor system. Vw "reinvented" it 20 years later. Grb was their life and all the ceos were the founders or the successors of brands. They had passion and money. But... See lancia. Its f1 team were sold to ferrari with fagio and lancia went bankrupt

[@jamesevanhenry]

Absolutely stunning video.

[@mejte]

AWESOME! the first video i dont miss the 'group B sound'. great job! keep it up!

[@torodelafuente]

the moment of the communication between the commissioners and the paramedics is from shivers... it makes to freeze the blood

[@RallyCat909]

Really nice video man. Thanks.

[@Josti88]

Thanks, Last song is: Immediate Music - Speed this!

[@asrod]

Brilliant video, thanks mate

[@Lyricoholic]

you make the best Group B videos

[@Josti88]

Yes, FIA looked too much at F1 (Still does) and as a panic reaction, it banned Group B. Group A had a slow start yes, but it picked up in the early 90's.

[@streetroyalty1]

Great vids! I keep wondering what the WRC would be like if Group B was never stopped.

[@Josti88]

I have a rough translation of the Toivonen interview in the discription box. Before the Corsica part, it's Markku Alén talking about the Corsican event that year.

[@Josti88]

Podium finishers of the '86 Monte. In front it's Timo Salonen (2nd), all behind is Hannu Mikkola (3td) and winner Henri Toivonen in the middle.

[@i9999y]

great editing.

[@Josti88]

About the onboard clip in the Corsica part. It's not Toivonen. He wore an open helmet at that rally. So it's either Alén or Biasion.

[@nelinkontin]

I saw and heard these awesome cars and drivers in 1000 Lakes Rally back in the 80. And most of the drivers were Finns. Great video!

[@TomasBellof]

thanks,josti88!:) now I can listen to it in my car

[@torodelafuente]

il momento delle comunicazioni fra gli uomini in elicottero e il parco assistenza è da pelle d'oca....

[@Silvermac27]

Brilliant video and so sad.

[@TeraStrataGeM]

great analysis

[@Jjendaaaa]

Nejlepší group B.. , s tím se nedá nic srovnávat prostě best of..

[@GASTA6666]

best car best kind of life....group b live in my heart...

[@Josti88]

Well, at that time, they raced with different numbers every Rally. Besides 4, his most famous are probably his winning numbers like 7 at the Monte Carlo, 6 at RAC '85 and 16 at RAC 1980. But If you want a list of all his starting numbers, I can pm it to you.

[@jpspider]

Very well made video

[@bangerke]

i love motorsport so much and specially rally and if i speak about rally. everybody thinks about the group b. i'm just 15 years old. i've never saw them drive. but i've seen a lot of movies about those rally class. it was just fantastic. they were the monsters of the 80's. there were no other cars who were better than them. it was just magnifisant. i dream every day that group b joins back into rally. but i think that thats never gonna happen.

[@filosofos13]

dear pedronetodasilva in 3.04 the best group b driver is dead...HENRI TOIVONEN

[@leu5086]

Beste Fahrer walter röhrl

[@faithskater72]

around to ever see it

[@Deaedlus]

Muy bien hecho, me ha gustado mucho! Adoro el grupo B

[@frenkrgv]

.... Great video....

[@lucalucaboy]

senza parole...stupendo...

[@A.L.E.4033]

the best video on youtube

[@JoyRiders_Babylon]

yep i heard that too but i never saw any video about it... i heard the S4 exploded in a frontal crash

[@kevatcrewe]

That man was Henri Toivonen. He crashed during the Corsican rally of 1986, and he and his co-driver sergio creato died in what was easily a survivable accident in today's rally cars. As a result the FISA banned Group B

[@JoyRiders_Babylon]

i always wanted to see the accident of the RS200 in Portugal.. some people died, dozens were hurted.. i finally barelly saw it in this video :( for me Group B are the best racing cars ever made but.. that's sad..

[@LP640ROADSTERdk]

The sequential gearboxes have a stick/leaver, they're not allowed to have paddleboxes in rallying now if i'm right

[@Vamppas]

What was that incar clip seen at 1:55 and 2:00???? Toivonen in S4? I want see all of it!!!11 =)

[@Kevin72836]

exelent clip, where is the ling for this HQ download?

[@bangerke]

you can find the video on Dailymotion with the sound!!

[@nv821]

They don't race with more horsepower now. Turbos were banned from F1 in 1989 as the cars became too fast for the tracks. The '80s are called the Turbo era in F1 and cars had up to 1400 bhp in qualifying trim. Now in V8 the have about 800bhp I think. Few years ago they were up to 950 bhp, but further rule changes have brought the horsepower figures down again.

[@djtanya1990]

I like Your Videos I think this video more then 5 star:) R. I. P. Henry & Sergio :( (Can you write me the music's title?)

[@tsport100]

Don't you think the FIA should put a limit of 300 Bhp on F1 cars also? Rally is restricted to the same power level as F3. In fact, it seems every formula OTHER than F1 has to run an air restrictor.

[@Fanatikern91]

Very nice vid !!! group b is the best ! what was the name of the songs ?

[@XsUp3rDuBzX]

where do you get your clips from? thier amazing :)

[@zareff]

i don't think it was portugal, it was the corsica rally where the accident happened killing Henri and Sergio.

[@tsport100]

BTW my theory on why Gr B was banned so suddenly had more to do with Bernie Eccelstone and F1 being made to look pedestrian and loosing manufactures than how dangerous Gp B was. Drivers diw in F1 and the entire formula doesn't get banned! GrA almost killed rallying, and I'm sure that was the FIAs idea at the time.

[@tsport100]

If you can tell me that what was done to slow F1 cars after Aytron Senna died (ah NOT MUCH) and what happened to Rallying after Henri Toivonen died are equal (what equated to busting Grand Prix cars down to F3 cars) I'd say you don't know what you're talking about Mate.

[@Brassarn]

i am not a fan of cars but group b was awesome thanks for the video

[@nv821]

tsport100, The reason rally is limited to 300bhp is because they run in a surrounding that has none of the safety standards that are in F1.

[@kevatcrewe]

Just wondering, but who are the three drivers at the 1:00 mark?

[@Feint2006]

What software are you using!!

[@TRUCKTECHUK]

its still banned but we get round it sort of by doing "displays" and "demos" with grp b cars :)

[@turchenko]

so then what's that frantic radio conversation about?

[@turchenko]

could you make an english translation? you know for all the important-sounding talk going on?

[@Andrea185]

My sweetness tear for you... For yours...

[@Tubesmaney]

Well done vid. Excellent. Most forms of racing, be it 4 wheel, or 2 are over-regulated. There are places for open class racing which rewards ingenuity and engineering ideas. Over-regulation is what makes NASCAR so dreadful. Also, I'm not certain people lining the race lanes which have no barriers are as much victims as they are Darwinian experiments. I would love to see something like Gruppe B return with beastly 1000Hp engines and with modern transmission and engine management technology.

[@ShoneDaddy]

i wonder if they will ever bring group back?

[@tsport100]

Listen mate, you're counting peanuts. In the turbo era fuel tank size and boost was restricted and mid race refuelling banned so it became a fuel economy championship. By the last season of turbo engines they ran only 2.5 Bar boost (down from 4 Bar) and 150 litre fuel tanks = about 850hp. They now run 900hp! Restrictions were phased in over 4 years, they didn't just kill the category on less than 12 months notice like with Group B.

[@bangerke]

whats the name of that song

[@Nismo2868]

excellent

[@staberv8]

Great job 5 Stars

[@caboose1320]

what was happening at 3:20. did he hit someone and keep going?

[@dbl84]

it's something about a car fire, and to stop the race, call the firefighters and also as u can see the man sounds very disperate maybe bacause the crash was very bad

[@faithskater72]

why exactly was group b banned? im only 17 so i wasnt

[@Dogman36]

TRULY EPIC. 'nuff said

[@nappula80]

hmm.."menee niin lujaa ettei aivot pysy mukana" Hmm..vain Hullut noita osas ajaa.. =)

[@brunic11]

real engineering went into these machines...

[@Josti88]

I use Sony Vegas 7.

[@matiukelly]

Great!

[@bangerke]

and he's so right. group b cars were and still are the real rally cars

[@juudo]

I have heard that when group B rally cars were competing against formula one car in F1-track, that those, f1 and group b cars, were quite equal. bad english. I know...

[@ximorratope85]

triste pero cierto

[@i9999y]

i agree

[@Josti88]

I use Sony Vegas 7b

[@JoyRiders_Babylon]

unfortunatelly, believe me.. they will never bring it back.. :(

[@shaqthatwontbitebac]

I heard some where he was avoiding a crowd..... i think group b should be reinstrated but with croud control

[@R4ORT]

The human race as become soft simple no one today has the guts to drive such mithical beasts who wants to live forever

[@tsport100]

It was pretty obvious at the time (1986) that F1 felt threatened! (Maybe ur 2 young 2 remember) They set up an FIA World Touring Car championship that was cancelled after just 1 year. Bernie's Brabham F1team built an Alfa Romeo (look up 164 procar on KZbin) V10 proto type demo car as a suggestion for a circuit racing 'silhouette' formula to rival Group B. (Bernie owned the global TV rights to F1). The FIA, who control both series, killed GpB and replaced with the equivalent to today's Gp N.

[@henkkaS4]

1986

[@shaqthatwontbitebac]

did Toivonen have angina?

[@turchenko]

k thanks

[@kevatcrewe]

That was the reaction after they discovered Toivonen had crashed

[@mejte]

henri toivonen and his co-driver fell really bad and died during this run.

[@M0T0RCRAFT]

Yes! there is lots of ppl who likes to see group B back! Croud control needs atenttion, and what i like to see is the old sideways driving style. Its not the fastest way around corners but needs more skill and much more entertaimin for the croud. Driver needs to make the car, not computers and all that shit.

[@henkkaS4]

well, it was built the group b 959, thats true, but it never raced any rally in group b (only pariz - dakar) So, the answer is actually yes and no =)

[@tsport100]

You call 900hp F1 cars 'slowed down' do you? what a joke. They actually race with more HP now than in the Turbo era where-as Rally has half what the HP they had in Gp B. Other than engine capacity and a 19,000 Rpm limit, F1 is unlimited. They try to limit engine power by making the teams use them for 2 races... LOL what a joke.

[@McLarenF1God]

And it got first place doing so.

[@ivangttf2]

I love gruop B

[@themag221]

yes they are allowed, but it would be stupid because now we all know that the machine is now faster then the human mind, in fact sequential gearboxes are faster than mnanual gearboxes, so it's easier for te pilote to drive, andit's faster, so i think teams that would not use that technology would be rapidly be ou of the game.. !

[@rottwlucky]

T16 forever!

[@SparrowNoblePoland]

Too flashy.

[@spythers]

TO THE KZbin MANAGERS (or something like that): ARE WE TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING HERE?! DO YOU THINK THAT THE MUSIC RIGHTS OWNERS WOULDN'T BE PROUD TO WATCH HOW PEOPLE LOVE THEIR WORK TO USE IT IN A VIDEOCLIP?! GET FKN REAL!!! IT TAKES HOURS TO MAKE A DAMN MOVIE LIKE THIS, SOMETIMES ONLY TO POST IT HERE!!! THIS IS NOT A DAMN VIDEO STORE!!!

[@MikaHakkinen83]

STFU, hienosti tehty video, ei o pakko kattoo..