FINALLY a 2024 Suzuki GSX8R Gets UNRESTRICTED

[@StevenRathburn]

I just bought myself this exact bike, same color and all today for my 35th birthday. I went in to order a Cbr1000 and found out none of the local dealers can order bikes. They get whatever the manufactures send them. I have had many 450 dirt bikes, a few CBRs and even a Hayabusa. I just wanted a smallish peppy bike that I could fit on my reese hitch carrier on my pickup when we go to the mtns. This bike fits the bill. You cant use the liter bike power in the curves in the mountains and when I sat on the GSX8R I fell in love. It’s so damn comfortable. I can’t wait to pick it up tomorrow evening.

[@billysharp2242]

I hope you respond to this... How do you like the bike so far? Just wondering because I want one... I sat on it and it made my back feel better 😅

[@Clintwilliams1]

Bro I just got divorced I’m 34 I bought same bike I wanted and r6 but couldn’t find new one close to me Yamaha needs a step it up with their bikes, make them available.

[@cameronsmith6631]

@@billysharp2242get it bro. They’re fun bikes. People always hate on them because they don’t go 180mph but if top speed doesn’t matter to you then it’s perfect. They’re quicker than a 600 up until like 100

[@Radred10thgen]

​@@billysharp2242 get it if you can, very quick and fun factory but after arrow works exhaust, stage 2 dna air box ring and filter and having the ecu flashed it's a different animal, mine is in the high 90s hp and 70s on torque, it is super fun and will hit 140 alot faster than you think and 0-60 a little less than 4 seconds

[@WilliamSmith-sh4ew]

I bought one about two weeks ago... it's a beast without the upgrade! The torque in the low and mid-range is stupid! I've been riding for about 50 years and I can say this is probably the best bike that I've ever owned!

[@szymon7423]

I like the good old 4 cylinder gixxer better :D Like K8 :)

[@Johnnyreengo]

lol what

[@mortaljorma69]

First of all, its no where near a "beast". Second, there is no torque in that thing, lol 50 something :D

[@Ryan-vw8sq]

bro, were you paid?

[@dreadnaught688]

​@elreino69 my carbed shitbox from 2005 makes more torque at idle than the gsx8r makes at peak

[@dhess34]

I love that this video shows your iterative process; stock, w/ exhaust, air, fuel... Great job!

[@joebloggs1317]

What people need to remember is 80bhp was supersport 600 power not that many years ago, not mind-numbing but should be enough to put a smile on your face.

[@ninji5226]

What this channel taught me more than anything is all the number bragging of bikes in the past were only at peak rpm in certain scenarios. So 80 hp at the wheel tuned would probable feel the same as a bike with a lot more power on paper.

[@bicjerm7509]

Ummm what???? My 2008 R6 had 120 horsepower. That's 40 more bud . Just an FYI, that was 16 years ago. So no, 80 HP was damn sure not supersport numbers 😬

[@joebloggs1317]

@@bicjerm7509 Go back a couple of generations, I'm an old man, doesn't seem that long ago to me lol

[@bicjerm7509]

@@joebloggs1317 I'm old too bud. 50 here, maybe 20 years ago when supersport bikes were carbureted 600s had 80 hp 👍🏻

[@djoutlaw886]

Nice video.. now we will be sending our ecu for my wife's gsx-8r to get tuned. Gonna order a sprint air filter and we are waiting in the arrow full exhaust.. super excited to see you working on this bike and see where you guys take it

[@tbrowning9643]

Nice little twin cylinder, always have liked the sound of them. Reminds me of the TL1000R I used to own, very fun bike. Keep up the great work and looking forward to bringing my bike to you later this month!

[@nathancrock3030]

Man, my dad had a TL1000R that I’ve been trying to track down and buy back for the last few years. Good memories riding on the back of that thing.

[@Christian-xc9bh]

Classic

[@rm25088]

I love my TLR. Wouldn't sell it for the world. It does remind me of it for sure. Same gear driven cam sound too. I wish the TLR had that tranny gear whine.

[@Coldestaevadoit]

So many insecure dudes in the comments bashing this bike and I would wager my life 99% of them can’t utilize half the power of their liter bikes except on a straight. Ride what you want but there is no need to bash other people’s interests.

[@bm.dub.builds]

Well said mate

[@ThomasSchmiedhuber-el6hr]

While I do agree with you, I’m not a good enough rider to out ride even a 600, but 75hp out of the box is pretty rubbish. My cbr 600 that I had when I was 17 was 110hp. It’s definitely a beginner bike.

[@reiiijd]

@@ThomasSchmiedhuber-el6hrneeded to remember that bike is a 2 cylinder vs 4 cylinders with cbr 600, and as we know the cbr is a screamer engine with i guess an overbore engine

[@TylerMcCool]

Some people can't count to 2 or 4, apparently.

[@perrinperformance1]

​@@ThomasSchmiedhuber-el6hr I don't think you're considering that 1. That was the cbrs claimed power, not actual, more like 94 ( my 2007 made 94 wheel ) also 2. The transmission. This bike is made to be ridden in traffic and the transmission is geared for usable power in real world application. Your cbr was made to rev every gear and make power high.

[@joefranks3083]

I love my GSX 8r. I commute to work on mine. Had it for about two weeks. Great bike for the street. I think the power is great. For me at least.

[@justinhayden9374]

At 75 hp, you can have great fun without getting oneself into so much trouble

[@ianm432]

Been waiting to see this. Have you seen that suzuki has patents out for a turbocharged version of this engine?

[@johnbrooks241]

Great work Chris! Vids look great, just keep doin it!

[@Strungrat]

Good to see you guys finally got one to tune. I was trying to get the tune done for my 8s there in July but it just didn't work out. Everyone else seems to be doing an airbox mod and more power can be had with velocity stacks from TST industries.

[@danlford]

The sound alone is worth the money,if you have it. 83 on a little twin is all you need on a street bike and will probably make a fun little track bike also.

[@trevor2830]

Definitely a better tail light setup than TST and the other mods are nice also loving the sound

[@brettcloud8550]

For real, that taillight is sick lookin

[@avrc9285]

very cool .. the gains are substantial in my book and the sound is def improved hope the owner will enjoy it as well.

[@yardiex]

Can you share details on that fender eliminator?

[@williamreip2996]

It's a beautiful bike! It's still sad to see the inline 4 cylinder bikes starting to disappear 😢. The power is so much better up top on them. I'm getting a 636 ninja or gsxr 750 next year and hope to have you flash the ecu...

[@IgorMuller]

I wonder where you are going to ride it. Not like you can keep inline 4 at least going 10k in the city - or even on the road. Screamers disappeared for a reason - you can't really enjoy them without putting yourself in grave danger. Literally a fraction of inline 4 owners bring their bikes to track. So yeah you can admire those bikes but twins are immensely more practical and fun in day to day usage. And you still can bring this thing on a track and compete.

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

​@IgorMuller we used to have tons of fun on our screamers. These new twins are nice too. Don't disrespect the guy for wanting a screamer.

[@IgorMuller]

@@Benroe-yz1nz how is this disrespectful?

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

@@IgorMuller he's going to ride it on the road like we've been doing for decades, and do the occasional track day like we've been doing for decades.

[@IgorMuller]

@@Benroe-yz1nz riding on the road at 2nd gear max? Dude inline 4 goes illegal at 3rd. How talking about it is disrespectful? I know people whos main idea of motorcycling is speeding twice over the limit in dense traffic. Is that what you are talking about?

[@phil4986]

Nice improvements. I bet the seat of the pants pull on the bike is far better with this new tune. Excellent work.

[@ChrisSauer-oe5ve]

Thank you for explaining break in..!!! I’ve been doing this for 50 years.

[@BenjySparky]

Chris and Moore Mafia, y'all rock! Peace 🤘 💥 ✌️

[@OakInch]

You definitely got the right color. That bike looks nice.

[@jxstified7558]

I like the grey and red better.

[@durango2nj]

@@jxstified7558I got the silver and red wheel one and I wish it was glossy. Atleast the tank. Love it tho

[@louisluisss]

White and red.

[@ddub33x]

@@durango2nj Better be careful all these litre bike douche bags will start bashing on you because their track bike is faster lol

[@rickseconds7676]

Love these Suzuki's! That is some excellent gains, love the blue color.

[@SunnyKim_]

That an impressive amount of torque.

[@Giixxersquid]

Literally the only intro on KZbin that I don’t fast forward through 😂 nice work with the bike. What’s the top speed on one of those now that it’s unrestricted?

[@jonfergestad6839]

I agree, Chris gives a great run down on the info ahead....

[@TeamMooreMafia]

I think it was 127 with the stock gearing.

[@vincesimard]

I'd be curious to see the gains with the exhaust on a stock ecu. Since it was rich stock and lean after the exhaust, i would expect it to run pretty good with the exhaust and no tune.

[@TeamMooreMafia]

It would still be too rich based off the fuel numbers.

[@hyper_channel]

Haha I was wondering the same, maybe full exhaust and intake, even if it ends up still too rich will lean out compared to stock and get the extra flow from those items

[@magicmedianews6594]

I love the flash on my gsx-r600, its like a new bike, thanks Chris.

[@nickbouvy8851]

Great video. Base line of bone stock bike with all the steps in between. Not cherry picking data. 10% gain is excellent and I bet it is much nicer to ride.

[@ragerider6283]

Great vid. I bought one! It's nothing special on paper but it's a great road bike. I've also put the Akra system on it & waiting to get it mapped after I've run it in so good to know what to expect & aim for.

[@KyleJohnson-qx6sn]

I need those mods. They made the bike sound real good and look amazing with the new tail on it

[@yellow8r]

Mine is full stock as of now, I have a new Toce exhaust coming tomorrow, and I'll probably end up getting a flash from here when I can afford it, as well as gear it more for top speed instead of torque

[@JohnnieV]

How is the toce exhaust? Where is the best price?

[@yellow8r]

@@JohnnieV it sounds so good, and even without a tune or flash it's not running too rich or lean, price is gonna be the same regardless of where you go

[@MotoFlows]

Great video Chris!! I got mine a few weeks ago the silver one…

[@drewcoal]

If they make a better sounding version I.e 4 cylinder from the 750 I would buy one tomorrow, really hope manufacturers stick with this and make a trend of usable ergos on fully faired bikes

[@thebeardedone2285]

Literally just got this bike it’s my first one and I absolutely love it

[@Bullet62013]

Twins have high restrictions in 1st and 2nd because the trq of the twin....Super Dukes 1390 is the same. You don't really need to decrease the restrictions in those gears as it will just be more wheelie prone and less manageable, IMO.

[@gpd456]

What I was thinking as well: Those restrictions in 1st and second are probably mostly to keep the front wheel manageable. With the restrictions out, I'll bet this thing will pull the front tire up like crazy

[@Bullet62013]

@@gpd456 I own a fully modded 1290 Super Duke R, its a 1301cc V twin with Rottweiler air intake, short velocity stacks, PC5 with Auto tuner module, Ignition Advance module, dynoed a stingy dyno and made 175hp & 107ftlb of trq, of coarse there's full host of nanny electronics WC, TC selectable ride modes with throttle curve adjustability in Track Mode. I didn't go the flash route as I a friend had issues with a company he used, not a good tune plus there's no hp restrictions or top speed but like this 8R 1,2,3 have restrictions, timing was removed I believe, don't care as the bike doesn't need any more grunt in those gears it's already retarded plus I use it on the track and usable power is key .... smooth is fast as we like to say.

[@stevenspilly]

​@Bullet62013 what sort of top speed do you get at the track? Must be over 270kph GPS?

[@Bullet62013]

@@stevenspilly The tracks in NE don't have really long main straight aways but 160 to 165mph usually, bike really gets off corners well and has really good edge grip, compared to stock with the suspension upgrades and geometry changes its night and day, bike is on rails.

[@stevenspilly]

@@Bullet62013 that's still pretty solid if that's gps. I've has plenty of twins, 1198, 1199 and now I got a V4S but always thought the 1290 must be a beast. Just never had the chance to ride one

[@mattm1841]

Get a 360 cam and mount it on/above the black arm thats in the way and you'll cover the whole room

[@KeViNMCMXXCIX]

Nice gains!

[@bobbysale8103]

More than a 10% gain is huge.. 👍

[@DavidTolbert-r1h]

I am impressed that almost a ten percent gain. I have a 2017 GsxR with a hand built exhaust with a hi flow cat I want to bring to you. Bike is immaculate. I want it to be super smooth and a really great street bike not just a high horsepower situation!! I will set up a time and date to get you to tweak my baby!! No expense has been spared!! It’s got it all quick shift pit lane speed limiter, restrictions lifted, launch control, 02 is off and deleted but I also have power commander v, auto tune. She just needs a little refining. I plan on adding a data logger really soon. Thanks Chris it’s because if you I went into the ecu the power commander didn’t do too much it just takes a signal to the ecu to get what it wants done . But the throttle restrictions just sucked. So I had the ecu tuned and damn what a difference. I am happy but want someone who is a Suzuki Man to finesse my ride. Love your videos! You ride like a mad man by the way!!!!

[@randypullman1155]

As beautiful as you are Mr Moore just flash the dyno gauges on the screen while explaining. As for that great looking bike and cute power could you save us the trip and chime the dry weight with oil and coolant? Live to ride!

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

born in the 80's ..always prefered twins but for almost all my life 4 cyls were kings, they got all the new models the updates etc etc etc. in the last few year a goldent age have started for my taste lol.

[@smaze1782]

Unless I missed it, which tail tidy is this? Great video.

[@hellraiserrec19]

Looks like a new rage cycles unit

[@kcchiok]

the sound is awesome!

[@JaymarDorsey]

Great video, very detailed..... I was interested in the type of front turn signals you install, what is the brand?

[@halphbreed231]

Great video brother!! I love watching these videos… It be awesome if manufacturers gave us a bike like this but in the 110 to 120 hp figures.

[@durango2nj]

Mine is 100 stock and I can’t wait for exhaust and tune!!

[@andypacmanperez]

So i am new to the bike tuning scene but i would imagine you need some type of engine management system correct? Like im a subaru guy so we use cobb or motec for example

[@joshuaanothereraseddad]

That'll definitely make that lil parallel twin even more fun. Especially pulling out of a corner.

[@todddooley793]

Is there a difference in power shown on the dyno when you sit on the bike vs not sitting?

[@rabola55]

Of course not, you only need to make sure the rear is strapped down so the tire doesn't slip.

[@switcherlp780]

Can you please do higher octane tunes with the higher airflow? I am interested in seeing if there are meaningful gains with other fuel types.

[@basi-vega35]

Thats very impressive gains. New subscriber gained.

[@matthewgarland8516]

This bike sounds like a fun bike to ride going from zzr 1100 Kawasaki to a vstrom 650 even tho it’s not massive hp or torque I can appreciate the low to mid range torque from twin engine bikes

[@DoraTheNinja]

for anyone complaining you need to use percentages, its a good increase from stock considering its not super restricted from the factory

[@Dadddy955]

Got mine tuned runs great but did not lower my fan temp kinda sucks

[@bennyosterbye8677]

Is there a DB killer for the new exhaust? Too loud for me.

[@ZVManning]

The funny thing is I want this so bad, and it's the first stock exhaust I've heard that I didn't feel the need to replace instantly. Also it has ride modes did you have it in B or C cause no bueno

[@hackiess8146]

I just bought one as my first motorcycle can’t wait to pick it up tomorrow. I’m gonna drop so many times lol

[@xcrack6364]

I really like this bike. I don't need to go 150+ mph to have fun. Also sounds amazing. I am considering this one, the KTM Duke 390, or Yamaha R3. Before anyone comments, yes, I know they are all very different bikes but, they are the bikes that speak to me.

[@tomg6284]

I have a 390. It is a surprise to me. Not very fast but good enough. Fuelx pro. Cruse control. 70mph all day.

[@Kidobhuan]

i love the way it sounds.

[@nikolaos7782]

Hi the GSX8S are the same restrictions

[@jonpeters5194]

are you saying break in the engine without riding it ? just rev it in neutral? what does heat cycling the engine do as far break-in?

[@johnisantiago9769]

Sound amazing 🔥🔥🔥

[@jacktupp1427]

❤ your methodology, base line start and step by step 👍 Q: how far out would have the stock tune been, by just swapping the exhaust out?

[@Fritzgerald645]

Just bought one, only have the the tst tidy tail kit so far.

[@AliasArsonist]

This bike with a new exhaust looks and sounds awesome.

[@rachalhollier5679]

It really is a beautiful bike to have. I can’t wait till someone adds a turbo to one . The bike looks really light so yeah it should pull really good

[@milosimus]

dang i miss the early/Late 2000's and the looks of the bike, loved the gixxers, cbr's and ninjas from that time. IMO the new bikes just don't look as apealing as the older ones. A new GSXR750 with the stuff from the new bikes tech would be sick.

[@wrecking_havoc586]

Was the air box lid modified for this tune? I have this bike with the same exhuast, and these bikes are super fun on the streets.

[@TeamMooreMafia]

Stock air box

[@TheItalianZone]

Where did you get the mirror block off plates?

[@Pato7640]

Nice gains, would love to see what you could get done with an intake mod like TST offers

[@TeamMooreMafia]

We are going to look into getting one.

[@davidhalejr58]

Sounds and looks so much better and that thing is a ripper for sure

[@Short_Bus]

In otherwards, to break it in : Ride it but dont abuse it. Remember, brakes and tires scrub in as well.

[@micyclesport]

Picture in picture with the dyno video cropped into the corner

[@ichista]

Would love to see the dyno screen "live" in the corner while he's doing the pull

[@jimpanzer07]

Does that bike have gear driven cams? Sounds great!

[@dillonweaver2307]

I just tried by myself for awhile from other experience but so many cylinders gets complicated for someone who was used to just one even 4 stoke

[@dillonweaver2307]

I want to build another but I can’t afford it and it’s gotta be fast for me too have fun really I’ve been 200mph I only want more. But I’m a dying man so I just wanna feel it all again feel alive one more time after all this chemo and crap and things just happening again but worse I just wanna ride again some when I feel well enough. I never will again tho that’s for sure I got too many reasons and responsibilities I guess I dunno. I just wish I could get my last ride my last wish with a bike of my dreams. I know I’ll never be able to afford or ride again tho this is me. Until I fall I’ll prolly never be back on a bike again I just wish I could. I also got injuries make sportbikes hard now but only if I could still ride I would skate down the rode walking on the side of some guys bikes just for fun again. I used to line those dudes I would walk on there bike literally at like 155 lol. They would be amazed and back off think ima kill em I think lol. But yea I miss it so much been awhile since I had my last liter bike. I will always love riding and the therapy it brought me. I never been the same since I stopped riding when my health declined due to cancer. Unfortunately my cancer may be coming back so I don’t think it’s in my future again. I just miss it alot I guess. RIP to all the fallen riders I’ve known miss you all. Be careful out there guys love the whole community.

[@rm25088]

Looks way better. Sounds amazing too. I wouldn't mind one. 1000cc is just for bragging. I bet this would be perfectly fine on the street.

[@ScottByland]

Also would like to know what brand the front turn signals are

[@jadonrhoads7634]

Do the Suzukis get a check engine light you have to clear after tuning?

[@dillonweaver2307]

So is it all flashed too the ecu or is there a piggyback system? It’s big but I’m just curious if how the tuning can be done. I remember doing my own bikes where I couldn’t control below a certain rpm no matter what the fly by wire or ride by wire depending upon what your driving I guess was only able to be tuned at certain parameters

[@todddurst53]

Very cool thats a great bike!!

[@mathysdupreez602]

Nice little bike. I may just need to get one…🤔

[@aaronanderson3102]

Will that fender eliminator setup work on a 2024 GSX S1000gt+? If so, could you share the link to where you got it??

[@kidlo2050]

I demo this bike at cota and it was a big torque difference from my cfmoto 450ss. Understand its a bigger engine but if i was feeling all that torque in 1st and 2nd gear, i wonder what ill feel like without the restrictions.

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

it simply is too savage in 1st and second for normies. remember back then when the tuono 1100 had people concrete diving...

[@richardvelasquez949]

What set of turn signals are the ones you installed in the front of the bike?

[@Dadddy955]

Bought me 1 about 2 weeks ago have Open header exhaust and did the Air intake mod removing the junk out of the way and stuff Wondering how much it cost to get my bike flashed like this one and when and how long

[@pugster_yt4086]

One day hoping for a cfmoto 450ss flash, thing sounds killer with a genuine yoshi on it

[@oldschoolmotorsickle]

My bike, I’d do the ECU tune (with air filter) and skip the bucks-up full exhaust system. You’ll feel the exhaust system does a lot, but it’s mostly going to come from the weight loss of removing the stock pipe.

[@jeffcombs2950]

No, it mostly comes from the increase in volume which we translate to speed. I'm with you on the rest of it.

[@ironrot2834]

I JUST BAUGHT ONE TODAY IN LONDON ONTARIO.$13,500 TOTAL,.STOCK ...I WAS WISHFULL FOR THIS BIKE CAN BE TUNED BUT I DONT KNOW HOW TO TUNE IT UP ..BUT ITS KOOL..KINDOF EMBARRASSED CUZ ITS QUITE ...IT WAS SO QUIET I STARTED TO CRY, AFTER MY FIRST RIDE...I CRYED HARD AND IN CRIED FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME..IM SERIOUS.BECAUSE I THAUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE LOUD..BUT THANKS TO YOUR VIDEO I HAVE GAINED SOME HOPE AND I SCFREAMED OUT LOUD WITH THOSE NUMBERS...EVEN THOUGH I STILL HAVE NO CLUE WHAT TO DO...

[@hyper_channel]

lol what

[@truss6282]

Nice gains bro😮

[@SterlingDaniels-wr9zg]

Perfect track bike!!!

[@TheCdubbleyoo]

If you're bike is track only, then I guess I understand fender eliminators (weight?) and tiny/basically no turn lights. If you ride on the street, I would think sufficiently alerting people behind you (whose visual acuity may cover a broad range between "tack sharp" and "Matisse painting") to your presence, present state of forward movement and intentions to change direction would be important, if not paramount. Thereby, reducing the light size and separation doesn't make sense... But then I remember how often I see people on motorcycles in my area using turn signals...

[@rexyoda]

is increasing the power though tuning gonna reduce the lifespan of the bike?

[@GSXRNano]

Any chance you remember or know the ecu flash number?!?

[@jackstephens2519]

Do y’all sell them there? What would I be looking at out the door with a tune like that one?

[@LilBuck9]

I want one!!! I have the V-Strom DE, I want it's stable mate!

[@mikeg4501]

Get a different camera with a wide angle lens? Really enjoyed the turbo busa video. Crazy fast.

[@gregs2268]

Does this bike sit more upright that a traditional gsxr? Seems like the handle bars are a tad higher and seat is lower. I have a bad back so I’m looking for something that isn’t as low as a traditional sport bike.

[@fizzkew5450]

Yes but it somehow weighs more than

[@JoeStanek-vu7rl]

MT 09 my friend.

[@gregs2268]

@@JoeStanek-vu7rl had a fz09 back when. Was curious about this faired bike 👍.

[@vtxgenie1]

The biggest thing is to lean over further and grip with your knees, taking all weight off your back and wrists, absolutely doesn't help to fight the bikes ergonomics to sit up. Otherwise naked bikes are basically the only good sporty upright seated bikes since you can at least still stand on the pegs so your back doesn't absorb bumps, but you loose a lot of feel.

[@gregs2268]

@@vtxgenie1 I get that and it makes sense. I used to have a f41 back 20 years ago and I was always hugging the tank with my thighs and leaning around. Not real trying to do that type of riding anymore. Not even this Suzuki 8r is even really on my radar anymore. I’m about to pull the trigger on a xsr900. Just a completely different style of upright position that you can still get after it with.

[@Immutablecrypto]

do you have to tune with full yoshi exhaust?

[@Myrussell67]

It’s the handlebars that put me off. 2WDW has done better things with HP testing on this platform.

[@dillonweaver2307]

Should it be dyno at like 1:1 at least as close as possible? What’s 5th at the gear ratios you got setup?

[@dillonweaver2307]

I’m just wondering been long time since a got a good piggyback or flash.

[@BiGDeE3]

better cam position now thnk u

[@rony3646]

I have been riding a 2016 GSX -S1000 since 2017. It is of course Moore Mafia tuned. I really like the 8R and have thought of getting one. The 8R is almost exactly 1/2 the HP of my current ride and about 2/3 of the TQ. I do like to blast up to redline in the firs two gears on the 1000 occasionally. OTOH, I really like a twin cylinder bike and the 1000 at times is just too much to truly chill on it. Does the 8R have enough performance to keep a liter bike owner happy?

[@GreenMeanie14]

Yes it does. The torque is always there it's very snappy