Finally a Mac for This Economy - Mac Mini M4

[@dustgg]

"Finally a Mac for Poor people".. let's see how long before they change that title 🍿 Edit: 3 minutes.. that's how long

[@pwnatrespawn]

Already :)

[@nightstrikex8450]

It’s gone

[@SoCalStyles]

😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

[@zbxck12345]

why changed it . Its actually correct

[@Solargarlicc]

Why they change?

[@GrahamCrannell]

the "let Tim cook" joke was honestly brilliant 🤣

[@Alex-ve1og]

@@GrahamCrannell It's just a joke they took from social media

[@ncard00]

Shadow of the tomb raider is using Rosetta 2, not running natively, which means performance loss, unfair comparison.

[@Khaerulbtg]

​@@ncard00what is any of that has anything to do with the comment?

[@tonyk4447]

Riley needs to say this out loud

[@dumbuz]

@@ncard00 Quite literally was still Tim cooking because Rosetta 2 was developed by Apple.

[@Epicgamer_Mac]

Guys, at 2:22 this is NOT a fair test. Not even close. You can’t compare Mac and PC (ARM and x86 specifically) in the R23 Cinebench version. It uses the Intel Embree rendering library as well as relying heavily on multi-threading (absent on ARM), and as a result it almost humorously favors x86. It’s so bad that my older 6-core Ryzen ultrabook (drawing less power) matches my 12-core M2 Max Mac Studio in this benchmark. Nothing about that is realistic. Instead, you should be using Cinebench 2024 (some people say R24), which was designed with cross-platform testing in mind. While there’s still a slight advantage to x86, it’s much less so, and the M4 would have absolutely destroyed the other two in that test. No hate though, don’t take this the wrong way. Great video!

[@B0mbshell_]

LTT has proven a while a go that they are more entertainment than education, take nothing presented on this channel at face value.

[@Linusmetht1ps]

Nerd

[@Roach22]

@@Linusmetht1ps I was impressed. @Epicgamer_Mac should wear your “Nerd” insult with pride.

[@keklol6968]

@@Linusmetht1ps Bruh we're all nerds watching this...

[@Linusmetht1ps]

@keklol6968 stop trying to include yourself non nerd

[@hansyang1697]

With EDU discount, $499 for base model is just insane. I got mine couple days ago, and I am really happy with it.

[@Djuntas]

yes, wish i could buy one with windows os. I want a mini pc like the one shown, but the mac mini is better and super quiet. I stream with my old desktop pc to my TV, so i want less watts and quiet performance.

[@TheBackyardChemist]

@@Djuntas in a year or so you will be able to install Linux on it

[@jasiekb22]

@@Djuntas well you can, either Parallels which is just a install of Windows OS, or CrossOver, which translates the apps to M-chips

[@SA-xf7pc]

​@@Djuntas Why would you want one with Windows? MacOS is a perk. I don't even want Windows on my Windows PC but unfortunately Microsoft holds the gaming market by the balls

[@АлексейГриднев-и7р]

@@SA-xf7pc there's SteamOS now :)

[@NaudVanDalen]

"Dad, I want a Mac!" "A Mac?! In this economy?!" "Yes."

[@fedfed96]

At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your kitchen?

[@Intiroso]

@@fedfed96 Yes...

[@dafiruz912]

@@Intiroso Can I see it?

[@timberdoodle_]

@@dafiruz912 No.

[@yang-tech]

Mom: We have a Mac at home. A BIG one.

[@aelderdonian]

Shadow of the Tomb Raider on OSX is being translated from x86 to ARM via Rosetta2, and from DirectX to Metal, and still performing that 'well'. Same with Cinebench23. I don't know why they didn't use Cinebench24 as that's actually native on Apple Silicon. Basically they make the Mac as disadvantaged as possible for this, and it still did well.

[@JulianGrayMedia]

correct. I hate how unbalanced this channel is for all apple videos.

[@hograthm]

Just go, port all software to native apple APIs, come back and show us results. bro

[@StanislavBeresnev]

not to mention that macOS is included in the price, while Windows itself adds good $100 to the budget

[@utubekullanicisi]

Afaik Sottr uses x86 code but it does have a native Metal backend, hence why they thought it was optimal to benchmark with. But I think Baldur's Gate 3 would've been a better comparison, as that's both native ARM and Metal API and more modern.

[@MarshallHoff]

@@JulianGrayMedia The conclusion of the video is "almost everyone should buy a mac" and you you're complaining its unbalanced for Apple videos? Are you delusional? FYI, I own 2 macs and zero PCs. I love apple products, but all you Apple fanboys are crazy.

[@ares915]

I see the title being changed in a bit. Edit: It was changed lol, the original one was "Finally a Mac for Poor People"

[@VVVV88-x3u]

@@ares915 and another Linus apology lol. lmao, already got changed. didn’t even last 10 minutes.

[@daydene.6356]

didnt even take 10 minutes 😭

[@lgdneuro9586]

@@daydene.6356 lol didint even took me to click it when it opened the title was already changed

[@ProjectTheKhan]

lol can’t believe people are getting triggered, he’s not wrong, it’s a just a bit of tongue and cheek

[@theepicredstoner1604]

it did

[@thexgamer8240]

The only Mac for poor people that I can afford is Costco’s Mac & Cheese.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

if you're looking for a new PC/Laptop M1s can be had for like 300-500$ which is a really good price and unless your alternatives are chromebooks it's really unbeatable for light gaming and especially the macbooks for anything color critical like photography

[@croozerdog]

@@LoFiAxolotl the thing is that many who consider themselves poor can't get their hands on 300 bucks lmao

[@SalzmanSoftware]

@@LoFiAxolotl🤓

[@ArnavPatel-cl1ye]

@@LoFiAxolotl yes but the Costco Mac and cheese is only like 12 dollars

[@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka]

​@@ArnavPatel-cl1yeHow much portions / Weight !? 12 bucks is it any good?

[@hofweb]

My go-to benchmark for a business computer is the "Screen sharing a large Excel doc in a Zoom meeting with Slack and 30 Chrome tabs open" test. It quickly separates the wheat from the chaff.

[@_helmi]

This what made me leave Windows and embrace Mac back in 2020 with Mac mini M1. Not to mention in glorious 4K AND iPad sidecar display.

[@GoldenEDM_2018]

​In a world where Linux exists, there's no other reason why people still choose Apple: Skill issues. @@_helmi

[@thebaker8637]

As a developer, my benchmark is exactly this, except “live demo of the product with like 10 local docker containers running” instead of the large excel spreadsheet. Every time I start to struggle with doing this, the computer is no longer fit for work use and needs a replacement. Funnily enough, it usually happens exactly around the 3 year mark.

[@LutraLovegood]

@@_helmi You could have gotten the same thing for cheaper without the apple tax, so ???

[@Ryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

@@LutraLovegoodif you’ve never used a MacBook you don’t understand. They absolutely cannot be beaten for professional performance

[@glennmccroskey3285]

People getting mad at the title not realizing it was a joke about how Apple is stooping down to “the poors” level and benevolently giving us peasants a taste of their sweet nectar hoping they can lure us up the price tree..

[@messicomps344]

I love love love how people who use windows and android act as if this isn't every company's strategy.

[@codyzabriskie7611]

​@messicomps344 the difference is Apple likes to pretend it's not lol. Until basically this exact Mac mini Apple almost completely disregarded the low end market and if they did acknowledge it the product was so hamstrung (so you could pay actual gold prices for more storage) it didn't make any sense to buy one over an equivalent price PC. Even if I was in Apple's ecosystem I would personally consider this a bad deal. 256gb of storage? In 2024? SSDs are cheap now but Apple never got that memo. Apple does do some things right, I use a Mac at work and it's fast and tends to not cause me any issues aside from having to use MacOS (I HATE the stupid animations anytime you open anything, let me turn it off Tim Apple you bastard)

[@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka]

But it's kind a true in my country poor people want expensive stuff - than they pay for years while rich people buy simple cheaper! Years ago tourists wondered why every 3rd person drives Porche Cayman or BMW or other big jeep car, in my country, have expensive purse, wrist watch, biggest newest most expensive iPhone etc!

[@jacobitosuperstar]

you can do that critic and still be tactful... but hey, English is my third language what the hell do I know.

[@henryliu5566]

It was not a joke. It was to get you to click on the video.

[@broimnotyourbro]

07:40 "Budget Sam Bankman Fried" is comedy gold.

[@luca7069]

Will never be able to call him anything but that from now on

[@mattblatchley2061]

just about ended me💀

[@iPhone5244]

Temu Sam

[@abrahamlincoln1600]

How’s that possible. He’s already so in debt?

[@zzzmzzz4466]

hahahahahahaahahahah i missed that, thanks for pointing it out 😂😂😂

[@Voidsmoothie]

I have an M1 Air and it is still blazingly fast in daily tasks, energy effective, and cold even without any active cooling. Happy to see that Apple is improving year by year.

[@iowawalker]

Tbh "daily tasks" doesn't really say anything. My old-ass 5 y/o work laptop with a slow 2133MHz RAM and a very subpar 9th gen Intel chip in it served me well in my software development burdens for the past three years. With a clean install of Windows 10 it would handle most "daily tasks" well. With a 2-hour battery life and a decent amount of fan noise, yes. But I believe that puts "daily tasks" into perspective well enough.

[@RainLight1991]

It could cost $30 and i still wouldnt touch this

[@ScottThePisces]

"Finally a Mac for Poor people.." ...hold these tariffs.. 😭

[@QuickQuips]

Yep. Buy now or regret later.

[@Koppelteken]

my european ass won't feel it

[@Isaacaijazebf2j]

@@Koppelteken lol why

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

TRUMP 2024 COPE AND CRY

[@Isaacaijazebf2j]

@ Lol wtf how is that anyhow related to this kiddo

[@pablo-q6p9s]

People feeling unironically attacked by the title is hilarious

[@thisISaPENn]

@@pablo-q6p9s I almost got popcorn and forgot I was watching a video 🤣.

[@purplelord8531]

-People feeling unironically attacked by- the title is hilarious

[@willyvee]

Well it worked, the title is changed from “.. for the poor” to the current one.

[@MHWGamer]

haha yes. 600 for an m4 mac is an absolute steal compared to your normal entry barrier of 1000 bucks or so for a Macbook. When I see a boat for 10k I also day it is a steal when the normal boat prices are 50k

[@elvinshoolbraid84]

@@MHWGamer you can’t buy a windows machine with the same performance for the same price.

[@RobbyBobbyBoy]

this is my favorite LTT apple video in a while. really captured the "so what" that doesn't necessarily come across in benchmarks while highlighting the trade offs made for it

[@thorium9190]

8:45 Cinebench R23 does not even have an Apple Silicon ARM64 version of the App, the M4 has to run this through Rosetta Emulation.

[@stealth0n]

@@thorium9190 Same with Rise of the Tomb Raider, that was built for Intel Macs using an older version of Metal

[@thorium9190]

@ exactly! I put a comment about that too. They should have used something popular on both platforms, like Baldurs Gate 3

[@randocalrissian9217]

it helps with their PC fanboy narrative so they test translated Mac apps against native performance on windows.

[@thorium9190]

@@randocalrissian9217 yep especially when there are alternatives, like Cinebench 2024 or any of the native Mac game titles

[@TheChemizzle]

@@thorium9190 You mean any of the massively limited catalog of native Mac game titles. Using a native game would be an even worse misrepresentation of its perceived performance. He should have noted the emulation factor, but if he ran a native game as a "this is how it handles gaming" demonstration it wouldn't represent 99.9% of the games you COULD be wanting to play because they would have worse performance.

[@kingmongkut2202]

Dont forget that with the student discount this thing is $499; crazy stuff.

[@GuyGamer1]

A student discount that is entirely an honour system, with zero verification in Canada or the US. I was shocked that at no point during the checkout process was I asked for a student email or my student ID. Spotify required more verification for a $6 discount than Apple required for a $400 discount on a MacBook Pro. Trusting your customers to not abuse the system makes the experience feel a lot more premium - it's like Costco's return policy.

[@southerncyan4098]

True, they should have factored this in. If they can use deals to find better parts on pc part picker, then the education discount should apply, and make this a $500 competition.

[@EugWanker]

@@GuyGamer1 They do check in the brick-and-mortar Apple Stores, but otherwise I always tell people to go with the education discount. Even better is the summer Back-To-School promotion where you get the edu discount plus something else like a free gift card. The downside is that you may sometimes have to wait a bit for those online education purchases to get shipped to you.

[@Chris-rg6nm]

I can't believe you all are falling for this. It's $600 because you can't upgrade anything. If any part of the computer fails it's non replaceable. You can't upgrade ram or storage. Forget about a graphics card. Plus they just want to trap you into their ecosystem.

[@LBrisk01]

@@GuyGamer1 Spotify and treating their customers well don't go hand in hand

[@snooks5607]

0:12 if only it was a $600 computer I'd probably buy it even if I didn't need it, but it's a 750€ computer ($787)

[@jansix4287]

@@snooks5607 649€ at idealo. Not even with an education discount. 🤷

[@kaan61]

@@snooks5607 I bought it for 720. Given macs will outlast better than a pc or other brand. It’s still an amazing investment

[@chinafriends]

512GB base storage at $600 would be huge

[@timduncan6750]

I just watched this on my M1 Mac Mini and feel so much the why upgrade comment. This does everything I need and is tiny on my desk. As for storage just checked and still have 153 GB free so only like 40% full after around four years...

[@jernaugurgeh451]

@@timduncan6750 My 256gb Mac mini is full... and I have a 2Tb Thunderbolt 3 SSD plugged into that's over halfway full. People have different needs - my Photo library is almost 100Gb, and my music production software (Logic, 30+ Arturia softsynths) takes up almost as much as that!

[@dvknight]

Im sure we will get upgradeable storage for this mac mini m4, its getting a lot of good reviews and it will be on millions of homes. The mac studio recently got third party storage upgrades, so its safe to say we will see one for the mac mini next year. Its a race of who does it first.

[@joebidenstan]

I bought the base model for 500$ on the education store (doesn't require verification :wink:) and used the saved 100$ on a 15$ usb-c m.2 enclosure and a 90$ 2tb gen4 nvme.

[@imglidinhere]

For $600, you should get at least 1TB. It's what you get with the Minisforum, as well as 32GB of system memory. I have no doubt that you'll run out of RAM looong before you even start to tap into what the GPU can handle. If it had say... 24GB RAM in the mac it might get to the point where it looked enticing, but Apple would never do that. They always upsell.

[@googanhiem]

They mentioned it at the end but the energy draw of the Mac would smoke the other two by a good margin, idle and max. Something very important for us Europeans paying the big bucks for those watts. Great comparison, love this kind of content.

[@iskierka8399]

the difference of 80W translates to a total of €17 per month if it's running at maximum power 24/7 and you pay the upper end of 30 c/kWh. For most people neither of these is true, so if you are paying about half and spend 8 hours every day gaming, you're paying €3 per month extra. For a significantly improved gaming experience and an actually usable amount of drive space; ie, one that can actually install one entire modern AAA game.

[@BlaineRush-b8h]

@@iskierka8399 Most people just have no concept of electricity prices and how much electricity various things use. The idea that any difference in computer efficiency would ever matter is just wrong, it's a few dollars at most. But they keep repeating it anyway. The reasons that better efficiency matters are performance, noise and packaging, not saving money on electricity.

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

@@iskierka8399 if you pay $599 for a machine 3*12 = €36/yr ... use it for 5yrs ... it's €180 ... how's that more significant savings? You can also buy your own external SSD and install games on the external drive, so it's a non issue. Nobody buys a Mac specifically for gaming. Even saving money of power isn't a thing for you, why would you want to WASTE energy? Are you one those gas guzzlers people just because you can afford it?

[@thatchinaboi1]

But MacOS still sucks balls.

[@ventilate4267]

Even if you're not saving money you're still wasting less electricity

[@ExistentialExperienceMusic]

This video was a blast from start to finish! The wrestling-style intros were a creative touch, really set the stage for an epic showdown. Also, the M4 Mac Mini at that price point does seem like a solid entry-level choice, especially for non-gamers or light users.

[@ymmij5217]

Yup, title confirms that I am poorer than poor.

[@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk]

Allot of us are, and that's ok! someone needs to be! :D

[@NachoNoCodea]

0:40 meme reference is on point, ngl

[@mltyblnd]

im so surprised no one else is talking about this lmao they did so good

[@ImHeadshotSniper]

that was hilarious

[@Zero]

The mini is so power efficient that you could hook it up to car and not worry about it draining to much even idili. It’s super small too. Great device for truck or van living

[@real_krissetto]

8:55 When measuring LLMs (please continue 🙏), consider using something like tokens/s and not overall generation time (which is much less representative of performance)

[@TheChemizzle]

It's not about the raw performance though, it's about the real world productivity results. If one takes 45s and another takes 125s, the performance doesn't matter between the two even if the one that took 125s has better "performance" because what matters is which was quicker at doing the assigned task.

[@PsiKillare]

​@@TheChemizzle it's not a raw performance number, tokens per second is the metric used to compare evaluation time for any llm test, including real world cases. This is because the lengths of text generated can differ depending on the random seed used (use the same LLM prompt and LLM but you'll get different results depending on the seed). If they used the same seed, and it was deterministic, then you should get the same results and seconds could be used to compare them. However, I'm not sure they used the same seed here, so seconds isn't an accurate way to compare here (assuming they generated different amounts of text). TLDR: tokens per second is a better way to compare performance across machines. See above paragraph for more reasoning.

[@goldenblood9316]

Yes, please also separate it into ingest tokens per second and output tokens per second. A range of model sizes would be great too.

[@prakharchaurasiya8107]

End user will only ever care about how fast it is so it's a fair test

[@CaZ0]

@@prakharchaurasiya8107 end user we're talking about wouldn't bother with installing llms locally

[@ConorORegan]

$600 for any computer that will last as long as that Mac mini is a steal

[@BeanBag1817]

500 if you use education discount

[@jacobaimeeh2263]

@@ConorORegan 100% Agree. I still use a 2014 Mac Mini with an upgraded SSD as a basic office computer / web browser. The M4 destroys it in every way.

[@sebastianjost]

Many people would need some external storage though. 256 GB is not much, but you can easily connect an external SSD for expansion

[@aliberk3112]

@@jacobaimeeh2263 "upgraded SSD" is the key here. A computer with non upgradable 16 gb ram and 256 gb ssd in 2025 is not meant to last long at all, it is the opposite in fact. They are hoping that you will have to replace it soon, that's why they give it to you for relatively cheap. Also lasting as a basic office computer is not a high bar at all. My old laptop from 2010 can do that as well, again, with an SSD upgrade.

[@kushagraN]

Hunh. Isn't apple notorious for stopping updates on their PCs far quicker than windows. Sequoia doesn't support anything older than 2018 (only 6 years for a 2000$ device. ooooof) Literally anything from 15 years ago is still getting feature & security updates on win 10

[@Con-Pin-]

The #1 thing I would get a Mac Mini for is using it on a TV. Having an efficient full on computer that small for the evening for only 600 is great, especially with what can be done with nearby apple devices.

[@remakingsomething]

Feel like they did the desktop wrong.., they went for ryzen 8000 despite stuff like Ryzen 5000 being a great deal for below 600. Then they went for the 3050, worst budget gpu. (Arc exists, rx 6000/rx 7000).

[@animecutscenes3414]

It's on purpose to make the mac mini look alot better, for 600$ people can easily build something which can beat the mac in either gaming or productivity, but doing both isn't possible. And linus's build couldn't even do one of those fairly well

[@jcalerre]

They could have saved money on the CPU and gotten and much better GPU that would have blown the Mac out of the water... but then it would have fallen behind in CPU workloads. They were trying to spec a balanced machine that could reasonably keep up in a variety of workloads.

[@crumbman]

Yeah just spend 15-20 bucks more on the 7600 and get a faster CPU that also can support more GPUs because it has the PCIe lanes to do so. Not to mention double the L3 cache. No point in going for 8600G if you don't need the better iGPU.

[@maou5025]

If you just used it for work. The QXQ3 is a steal.

[@chsi5420]

The 3050 8GB beats the M4 GPU in productivity.

[@derbigpr500]

The funny part is, videos don't really portray how small this thing is in real life. I have external USB hard drives that are bigger and heavier. For a PC that basically fits in your pocket, it's sick.

[@johannesbohm6458]

We got some delivered at work today and the size difference is insane.

[@AlexanderPavel]

They're about the same size as Windows mini PCs have been for quite some time now, but a bit taller

[@arc8218]

yep, i literally bring my mac mini to college lmao, find power socket, put ipad as display, set up my flip small keyboard and mouse done, this is 2024 literally no one use paper anymore lol at least in my class

[@stolentoothbrush3492]

@@arc8218 Why not just use the iPad?

[@bryanbaskin7880]

@@AlexanderPavelexcept no power brick.

[@mylesnmore]

I've been waiting for this review for 3 weeks, so glad it finally dropped. I'm a mac user for daily driving and video editing, been wondering about upgrading to PC but this little mac mini is a SUPER compelling buy. I will need it to be 64gb of RAM tho and 2TB HDD, that comes out to around 3k USD, I can buy a pretty smoking PC for that cost, but I sorta hate windows and codec issues. I NEVER have codec issues w mac ever or random blue screens. Ugh. It's just the "apple tax" is hitting me hard these days.

[@JF-xj3cu]

bring back the "poor people" title

[@costafilh0]

They don't change the Title. KZbin does. They load a bunch of Thumbnail and Title options and let the algorithm do its magic.

[@lennywhere]

@@costafilh0 what

[@yuriy5376]

The masses demand the good old title back!

[@NohusBluxome]

@@lennywhere When uploading a video, you set many titles and many thumbnails, which KZbin shows to different people at random. After some time the one that resulted in the most clicks gets chosen to be permanent.

[@D-ql8mz]

The usability, low power consumption and form factor for that price (lower than a price of phone) would give this device a permanent spot on my desk, but I already have m1 laptop that still rocks hard. I use it for work, net surfing, personal projects and basically everything, except gaming, for that I still have tower PC, although I mostly game on consoles those days. Long story short I think days of having monstrous powerful desktop PC are over for me.

[@Pokeonrocks5]

Same tbh. I’ll likely get the m4 air in march just to have more ram, since I have only 8gb now and I’m gonna be a lawyer, and hope they make the screen brighter than 500 nits. Other than that, I have no reason to upgrade the m1 generation is like the iPad Pro from 2018, literally generations ahead of everything else. So sick!

[@iowawalker]

Yep, it gets progressively better for those uninvolved in tech. Sometimes I envy such lifestyle, but I love tech too much to go that way.

[@turtleboi9385]

custom desktop at 2:18 can be improved so much by just going 7600 and 6600 or even better 5600/7500f with 7600/4060

[@iwankazlow2268]

Yeah, the general pics of CPU and GPU are always terrible on LTT. And what they are testing. Besides gaming, every other test is irrelevant as Internet browsing and office work will be done without difference on any of those machines. And with a better GPU the desktop would smoke the mini even in the questionable AI test.

[@turtleboi9385]

@@iwankazlow2268 also cant really compare, pc and mac each have their own uses at this price point to target certain needs

[@numberM4]

But will it still be under $600? That's the whole point of it.

[@liridongjokaj9861]

​@@numberM4 you can go always for the lowest tier motherboard and the price between rtx 3050 and rx6600 are similar but the rx is much better for gaming at least

[@turtleboi9385]

@@numberM4 yes? 7600 and 6600 is the same price comparing to the 8600g and 3050 6gb nowadays, and they both use the same mobo

[@intixhq]

The title is crazy work lmao edit: they already changed it 😂

[@andiCNH]

they do this a fair bit, a lot of big channels do

[@lennywhere]

@@andiCNH i wonder why

[@maximravinet9950]

What was the og one? 20 minutes is apparently not early enough to know this 😢

[@MasterCraft_48]

First time apple makes something not cost a kidney and it's for "poor people", they kinda goofed the title but to be honest it made me click so 🤷‍♂️

[@vainsilence]

@@lennywhere algorithm manipulation tactic i think

[@stuff_]

9 minutes of silence for the 17k people that were called poor by the title

[@lucsoft]

Well we are compared to the rich, there is no middleclass anymore

[@blackvenom3816]

@@lucsoft we suffer in silence

[@zdanee]

I'm not poor, I'm cheap! There is a difference!

[@feisikLetsPlay]

@@lucsoft what are the conditions to be middle class ? because i feel like middleclass

[@lucsoft]

@ can you buy a 3 bedroom house? 2 cars?

[@joeyo2365]

Per the intro, i find it interesting that people don’t see the base Mac mini as a fully professional machine. Of course it depends on what you’re doing but I use a base m1 for professional audio work and some Final Cut editing and it hardly breaks a sweat. Only time I’ve ever heard the fans are for video rendering! Not that your analysis isn’t correct by any means, a base config just goes a lot further for some people than “web browsing and video conferencing” If you just add a usb c SSD.

[@Zbenesch]

10:37 Dad joke of the year

[@jeaneliel]

Most underrated comment of the year

[@nadeemsageer9927]

"Finally a Mac for Poor people - Mac Mini M4" I found it personal....😭

[@kushagraN]

& it's not really cheap either 😢. My single biggest tech purchase has been my hp gaming laptop (4600h & 1650ti) & it was only about ₹45k (540$ incl tax) on sale. While the base M4 mini is over 700$ here in India & not really a budget device.

[@NawyLoeb]

@@kushagraN well yeah, people like you and me should always take into account that these videos are made in the context of North America and may vary locally

[@TheChemizzle]

It's a joke about how Apple doesn't make products for "poor" people because it's all over priced (until this, upgrades aside). Not an attack on people who cant afford it lol.

[@arc8218]

i mean it is no really expensive

[@abadenoughdude300]

Don't. It's a jab at apple fans ("don't have apple? haha poor"), not actual poor people.

[@steveblanchard7293]

I picked up the 16gb/512gb iMac yesterday - its an upgrade from 2017 iMac 5k Retina Cinebench 24 GPU 3906 CPU M 890 CPU S 170 Cinebench R23 Multi core 12685 Single Core 2181 Geekbench Single Core 3775 Multi Core 14870 OpenCL 36081 My main concern about the mini is the fan position, over time it is going to get clogged, I am certain not everyone has a desk that is spotless... Then if you add on the extras to bring the Mini up to the iMac.. Display £1500 to £949 (studio display or Samsung 5k), 4k monitors are available with scaling around £350 - 700 Webcam £140 (Logi Brio) Speakers £100 (Edifier) Magic Keyboard Touch £149 Magic Mouse £79 you come out at just under £1699 or well over if you choose the Studio Display. To note I had difficulty getting the Logi MX keys/M720 mouse to work - I had to use the new magic keyboard and mouse to set them up first, the Logi software migrated but did not work. Bare that in mind as well.

[@AlpakaWhacker]

The original title for this video was WILD

[@rjsmith2007]

It really wasn't though.

[@coleture]

@@rjsmith2007 Yeah honestly im poor and thought it was funny

[@JimmyRussle]

so sick of the hyperbole by everyone. it wasn't "WILD". Sheesh. It was just a dumb joke.

[@FlyingCIRCU175]

In the Philippines, the base-spec M4 Mac Mini is Php37k. That's one or two paychecks for me, and only a bit more to include a decent 120hz IPS monitor, USB dock, 1TB NVMe SSD and cheap external enclosure, and mouse + keyboard. And for something that isn't gonna leave the house anyway, that is a screamer deal. Even paying Apple's BS pricing to upgrade the RAM to 24GB still puts me well in the black. I've had an A1932 Air for six years. This is the perfect time to upgrade.

[@EC-ki5wv]

Definetly grab ram

[@LanceRazon]

You know what’s better, apple monthly installments are far better deal than windows, This made me switch last 2yrs ago, MBP 14 m2 Pro, 3yrs to pay Zero interest

[@dirtrider88]

7:33 HOW MUCH FOR A VEST???????????????????

[@philanderson3533]

its on the video..... a big thumbnail of it- :) 129 dollars

[@Coldd333]

Judging by the other prices on the store and from what I can tell online, it's made from an expensive material - the other item they have made out of the same material is a $250 jacket, while they have other jackets as low as $25. I imagine for the people who like the material/look and have the money they'll love the product but not for me any time soon lol.

[@Bobiasucc]

it says 129.99 so im assuming thats what the price is. I could be wrong tho. If you found out the price, please let me know :)

[@IsoMacintosh]

I mean they also sold a faux leather backpack for 600 dollars so not surprised that their vest is on the pricier side too. Also they don't mention the manufacturing country so safe to assume it's made in china.

[@IsoMacintosh]

@@Coldd333 It's made from some kind of synthetic fibre most likely in china. For similar price you can buy merino clothes made in europe, a way fancier material and more ethical manufacturing.

[@bruhcodes]

would've loved to see a review of this device on some kind of dedicated mac channel!

[@Sykora171]

I was thinking that. I would love to see JH talk about it. It’s like a nice conversation on that channel.

[@RoastBeefSandwich]

It’s a shame that the Mac Address channel died so Linus can call us poor on the main channel.

[@ZhilBear]

it died? It had a video just last week

[@Derpalerpa]

@@ZhilBearthat video was at the end of the pipeline. The channel is on indefinite hiatus and Horst has either quit or been fired.

[@Derpalerpa]

@@RandomUser2401Horst had either quit or got fired a few weeks ago.

[@seanlacroix]

The MAC address channel died because they were doing too much Apple content in the main channel.

[@Cainny]

Linus don't write dem der titles he has a team

[@_helmi]

When I first switched to Mac mini M1 + existing iPhone/iPad, moving across devices via Continuity does feel like magic.

[@falki]

I still miss Mac Adress 😞

[@dragon2knight]

I have the base unit, and it does FAR more than the basics. I avoided the Apple Tax on upgrading by being happy with it's base 16GB of ram (more than enough, btw) and adding an external OWC 1M2 Thunderbolt 4 enclosure with a 4TB Crucial NVMe ssd. All I'll need for my editing and doom scrolling. I love this little beastie!!

[@randomdestructn]

Yeah external thunderbolt drives perform quite well, and you can even boot off of them if you want.

[@Chris-rg6nm]

Just do it on your phone noob

[@robbgosset674]

As a stage tech my only real issue with the latest mac min is the fact I can no longer fit one on a 1U rack shelf inside an equipment rack, with the previous formfactor, you can fir 2 mac minis side by side in a 1U shelf, a really convenient setup for a main/backup Qlab rig for example.

[@yannickyuthea3064]

Shadow of the tomb raider isn’t optimized for M chips since its fairly old, they should have tested the newer games ( Resident Evil, Death Stranding) for a fairer comparison, but nevertheless great video

[@jasonbateman4867]

Hey its hard to pick out of the 10 titles mac can play.

[@CanIHasThisName]

People aren’t going to limit themselves to the tiny list of native games.

[@PvPisistratus]

11:35 For whom is relatively high power consumption part of the fun. Sure, I get not caring as much about it, but I struggle to imagine someone who considers it a benefit

[@SuperOtter]

I often get cold feet under the desk during winter. With my desktop being under the desk I often run furmark so it'll heat up a bit. So that's technically a benefit for me in the winter, but that's pretty pedantic

[@PhenonIV]

😂😂​@@SuperOtter

[@BANNANA_DEV]

In a lot of countries electricity is REALLY expensive.

[@austinlew3225]

@@PvPisistratus my room gets cold in the winter

[@samkalma8268]

I really liked the highlighted text when you were talking about one of the 3 computers

[@AureaisChannel]

I clicked because of the title so I would say it did well its job; I don't really have complaints

[@MichaelHickman3D]

The reason the Minisforums is doing so well in those Cinebench tests is because there seems to be a difference in bucket size. I'm looking at the size of the tiles, and the Minisforums seem quite a bit smaller. This can actually contribute to faster cycles as more tiles can be rendered in parallel to reduce the time otherwise spent on 1 for a given amount of samples(WHEN IT COMES TO CPU RENDERING AT LEAST, GPUs WORK IN THE OPPOSITE WAY WHERE LARGER TILES ENABLE MORE EFFICIENCY). I just thought I'd throw that observation out there for what it's worth. Now those two cores can also contribute, but I don't think the difference would be as paramount as it looks from the tests, maybe closer to 10%-15% worst case, but the difference seems far greater in your testing. I'd be curious if you guys would redo the test to look for more outliers and variance within the same parameters.

[@fujinshu]

I also think it’s because they’re using R23 and NOT 2024, which optimises for big.LITTLE architectures and ARM CPUs in general.

[@Andras889]

the reason why the tiles are smaller on the Minisforums PC because it's 8 cores with SMT, the mac has no hyper threading

[@CyberTweaker]

@@fujinshu yes fully agreed, noticed that immediately. 2024 is more representative of current workloads and applications optimizations.

[@SimonVaIe]

Mac mini has 10 running in parallel, minis forum has 16 running in parallel. Because, you know, the M4 has 10 cores, and the 7940hs has 8 cores with multi threading. I don't see where the tile size would make a difference here...

[@michaeldillon6079]

I just want to send an immense THANK YOU for such an outstanding and helpful video for a non-tech expert. You guys rock! Keep up the fantastic work!

[@MaddTheSane]

I'd use another game than Tomb Raider. IIRC, Tomb Raider isn't even ARM-native. That probably explains why it took so long to load the benchmark.

[@StephenMartin1893]

@@MaddTheSane Depends on what you want to compare right? The vast majority of games aren't arm native, so choosing an arm native game wouldn't be a realistic benchmark for an average game. But if you wanted to compare game performance in best possible conditions, then sure - should compare native games.

[@zimbu_]

Could probably do one native, one non-native or something. Or maybe a non-main channel video on ARM Mac gaming where there's time to explain Rosetta 2, VMWare etc. and give several performance examples.

[@CanIHasThisName]

It illustrates the point that despite Apple doing the bare minimum, their system still isn’t a good gaming platform. And now they’re in a weird position where they are getting some decent games for iOS and Mac, but not all games are coming to both platforms.

[@pashabiceps95]

@@StephenMartin1893than it has to be at least mentioned! Because it seems from this test that apps native to arm will perform as bad!

[@OmPatel1211]

You forgot, video editing workflow leveraging those sweet media encoders in Mac

[@Daisuash]

I use a Macbook Pro M1 daily for graphic design work. It performs amazing and almost at the same level of my PC, which was built for gaming and work, so, i just ordered an M4 Mac Mini, which i'm pretty sure will outperform both machines for work.

[@AMZtechofficial]

Man, I can’t believe Apple’s still pulling this RAM and storage pricing nonsense. Like seriously, $600 for the base Mac Mini is an absolute steal-no argument there-but two base models for the price of one upgraded one? Come on, Tim Apple, we’re not made of gold bars! Just let us add affordable RAM upgrades, bro. 🤦‍♂ Still, gotta admit, that power efficiency and performance are crazy good for the price.

[@Derpalerpa]

Very minor and almost irrelevant complaint, but I personally dislike efficiency being commonly downplayed and disregarded the moment it’s not a mobile device. I understand that it’s less relevant for a plugged in device, but for me it’s still one of the most important aspects of a device. But that’s just me 🗿

[@fujinshu]

It’s also important for countries where electricity is often more expensive, but I suppose most of the online consumer tech community is too America-pilled to see that America’s cheap electricity prices is off the backs of invasion, colonisation and worsening of the environment.

[@Derpalerpa]

@ YES! I removed this bit from my comment cuz it was getting long, but electricity where I live comes at quite a hefty price. And even if it didn’t, even if I had solar panels and made enough to cover my usage and then some, I’d still want my equipment to sip as little power as possible.

[@MaddTheSane]

That and large data centers, which have a _lot_ of these devices, can get more done with less electricity.

[@Axiomatic75]

If you use this mac for work and it's running 10 hours a day, you'll actually save quite a bit of money per year, making it an even better deal

[@s1d2k02]

Finally, a video on this. I've been using it since last month, and it's a huge upgrade from my late 2013 iMac.

[@Kappakaano]

Wise title change 😂

[@costafilh0]

They don't change the Title. KZbin does. They load a bunch of Thumbnail and Title options and let the algorithm do its magic.

[@BANNANA_DEV]

@razor-b2d " finally a mac for poor people " - M4 Mac mini.

[@iamsyntact]

I got one of these (the base model) a few weeks ago for recording and music production, to replace my ~8 year old gaming PC. The performance difference was unbelievable, like night and day. On one hand, I should be fair and mention the fact that the software I use has had extreme issues running on any PC with a 4k monitor, but even with that aside, this purchase has confirmed my long held belief that there's something about Apple hardware that just intrinsically makes it way better for working with audio/video. Thank you Tim Apple 👍🏻

[@MrDeathHarbinger]

@iamsyntact I'm so glad I read this comment. Needed a new standalone PC for music production. Never had a mac, but I always envied their music software applications. Looks like I'm going to consider an Apple product for the first time since buying the original IPod Touch waaay back. Food for thought indeed

[@iamsyntact]

@ glad I could help!! I am dead serious about Mac being the better platform for music. while I'm at it I might as well add a few tips: -the Mini has no USB-A ports, so you're gonna need at least one USB-C hub, some adapters, and peripherals. this will all still be cheaper than getting a pricier Mac, but still worth it -external SSDs are way cheaper than upgrading the internal storage -be prepared for all your project files to be rife with errors, so freeze everything + collect all and save before you move them -put aside way more time than you think you'll need for migration. switching OS's isn't like getting a new PC; I do this full-time and it still took me about two weeks to get everything set up. -DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES plug an audio interface or MIDI controller into a daisy-chained USB hub. (unrelated but maybe I can save a life..) good luck!

[@FirstLast-nr6gf]

I tried using Logic Pro on Mac Mini M1 (16GB/256GB) for almost a year. Never really liked neither Mac nor Logic. I switched back to Bitwig Studio and Cubase on Windows. Logic has many annoying bugs. You can run both Bitwig and Cubase on Mac, but 256GB SSD is not enough for any music poroduction. I didn't like all these USB hubs, external drives, card readers, etc. PC RAM and SSDs get cheaper every year. You can upgrade to 2TB SSD for $120 or 32-64GB of RAM for $100 (DDR5 is more expensive than DDR4). Next year, probably 4TB SSD will be $150. But with Mac you are stuck with that 256GB for at least 3-5 years. Actually I still have 500GB and 1TB SSDs from my old PCs which I can use in my new PC.

[@MrDeathHarbinger]

@@iamsyntact haha. Thank you!

[@SimonVaIe]

​@@iamsyntact I mean, pretty much the only reason you gave was that you believe apple devices are somehow intrinsically better for music production. I mean, if you're happy that's fine.

[@Affalterbach1967]

The earlier thumbnail with Vancouver streets in the background was more authentic than current thumbnail of my (New York) local e59th Street Apple glass cube store in NYC.

[@hottosandsos]

$600 ''budget" PC... What a time to be alive.

[@SadfoxGuyver]

Right

[@vladimirv.g.1436]

how much your budget pc costs

[@manuper11]

if $600 is poor then i'm indigent, destitute

[@bobowon5450]

these days 600 dollars for a decent computer is pretty cheap. prices ain't what they used to be

[@lennywhere]

@@bobowon5450 i can make one for 300 and it would perform the same or better even lol

[@Skiman__]

For mac price ranges, it very very is “cheap” relatively speaking

[@rufustd1993]

​@@lennywhere No you can't

[@barangurkan]

@@lennywhere no you cant for 300 maybe for 700 or 800

[@ZynthProductions]

been using mac mini m4 for a week, and it is amazing! for a $600 it is insane. and for the base model + another extra $200 for external 2tb nvme + enclosure. it is working just fine and future proof😂

[@hokahn6313]

80Watt power savings per 8h a day is about $120 saving per year where I live.

[@zwerko]

I'd do the calculation again... If you're really paying $120 for 233 kWh (>50 cents per kWh), you're either being scammed or live on Antartica.

[@hokahn6313]

@ neither, it’s Switzerland :) and its 40rp per kwh, about 46 cent.

[@hokahn6313]

@ okey, with .46 its more like $108, but you get the point.

[@SimonVaIe]

​​@@hokahn6313 that's compared to the tower, would be 40 for the mini pc. And with a high load for 8h every day of the year. Quite unlikely? Definitely not negligible, but I'd expect a difference of maybe 50-100€/year with pretty consistent moderate to heavy load. Also, oof. Quick google search said your prices are among the top 5 (of over 2000?!) most expensive municipalities in Switzerland for electricity. I guess solar panels are looking quite attractive...

[@hokahn6313]

@@SimonVaIe yes, if only the sun would shine.

[@HeinousinAppearance]

I recently bought an M4 Mini to play World of Warcraft with a controller sitting on my couch, and to basically be an Apple TV. Within two weeks having it it replaced my main computer and I sold my desktop and just bought another Mac Mini. It feels wrong, but I own a Steamdeck/PS5 for anything the Mini can't play and the Mini handles WoW perfectly - which is my main game.

[@prinzseptim33]

^ Former MBP 16 M1 Pro owner. Yes I upgraded to the M4 Pro 16. I had the base model. my new one has more RAM & more storage.

[@GigawattGarage]

I'm surprised you did didn't mention any of the things you and Luke discussed on the WAN show about how much it would cost to add good Wi-Fi, thunderbolt, and 10 gig ethernet to the the Windows desktop. This video could've been 5 minutes longer and included all the information you and Luke discussed on the WAN show.

[@koalaunknown]

The base model comes with a 1 gig port with the option to upgrade to 10 gig for $100 which is about the same as what it would be in the PC.

[@Chastity_Belt]

10 gig ethernet? Thunderbolt? On budget PC? For what exactly? KZbin and google spreadsheets wouldn't load any faster

[@koalaunknown]

@@Chastity_Belt Thunderbolt is useful for external NVME storage drives.

[@CanIHasThisName]

The conclusion of the video would remain the same and given the price category, very few people are going to care.

[@prestonbrann554]

lmao old title lasted < 10 mins: "Finally a Mac for Poor people - Mac Mini M4"

[@StevEn-x7i]

I see alot of reviews saying the new Mac mini m4 is great basic pc for email, browsing and light gaming etc .. but as a professional music producer the base model of this has handled my 100 track sessions with multiple plugins with ease and so silent and I use Logic Pro mostly so it’s not even using the efficiency cores. My point is anyone who does music this is plenty for a pro setup if you can’t budget for any upgrades.

[@Gaston731r]

is there an earthquake or something there? 1:13

[@bumblebee240.]

Just the table shaking

[@Alex_262]

Linus kicking the table with his tiny legs

[@abba2566]

Honestly, Apple would have me as a customer if they weren't so crazy on their spec upgrade costs. In 2024, nearly 2025, 256gb SSDs are criminal, 512gb is borderline criminal. A 1tb Gen 4 nvme SSD, right now, to consumer is less than £100 from Sabrent, their 2tb is £139. Meanwhile, Sabrent doesn't seem to have a comparable 512, but Crucial's is £35. That's a complete unit with NAND and a controller, Apple is basically just upgrading NAND because the controller is already on their chip and they are buying wholesale, so to them we are literally talking pennies. If they insist on starting with 512, fine, but then 1TB should be like a £50 upgrade, then 2TB should be another £50 (£100 over base.) But nope, it's literally £200 to go from 512 to 1tb (you could literally buy 2 sabrent 1tb drives for that) and then £600 over base (so an extra £400 compared to the 1tb upgrade) for 2tb. You could buy 4 2tb Sabrent Gen 4 SSDs for that, and still have enough over to pick up the extra 500gb Crucial drive and a maccies for tea. We won't go into memory upgrade costs, which are also insane, but at least they start with 16gb now, so credit where credit is due.

[@1bhitte]

My guess and it is only a guess is that they lose money on base models and are subsidizing them with the upgrades insane costs.

[@Emby7220]

Generally, I agree with you, but if you don't need the extra ram, theres no point paying for the apple nvme storage. You can get thunderbolt storage that runs basically as fast as internal for cheap

[@catalin-viorelbriceag1097]

Just get an nvme to usb c enclosure and put however much storage you want at a small performance penalty nobody will notice. No point in buying internal storage…

[@jakobh.4422]

Get a grip.. you have 3 Thunderbolt4 sockets and 2x 10Gbps.. if you want more storage.. knock yourself out.

[@1bhitte]

@@Emby7220 No I get it and that is one way to look at it but not all are going to do that and I think those that do upgrade the internal storage are subsidizing those that don't.

[@nickademuss42]

Been using a M1 since they came out, 256gb was plenty of space, I don't keep my media on the device, it's also silent, a must have in a studio. I upgraded to the m4 because the trade in value was decent. The power button isn't an issue for me, Mine is never off.

[@L1Q]

2:17 where does the 65w psu number come from? I've seen teardowns claiming over 150w

[@jakobh.4422]

you really want an answer, when you don't even sourcing your own claim.. check yourself.

[@KingAzaz]

That was the quickest title change ever lmfao

[@costafilh0]

They don't change the Title. KZbin does. They load a bunch of Thumbnail and Title options and let the algorithm do its magic.

[@Klong15]

I got a similar mini pc with a 7840HS earlier this year to tinker with personal server projects and host private game servers to play with friends. It crushes everything I throw at it. And I can easily toss it on the tiny shelf below my router to stay completely out of the way, and just remote into it. That mac mini power consumption though 😍. Plus super cheap option to compile projects for mac/ios.

[@iowawalker]

The fact that you even need to buy a PC to compile/sign/whatever apps for Apple devices is mindboggling, though.

[@MrSaaadpanda]

you shouldn't use items that are on sale only full price since most people will have miss the window of it being on sale. Also with the custom PC you need to add the cost of the operating system as well which should be accounted for every single custom build.

[@tribblier]

@@MrSaaadpanda these things are always on sale, think of Amazon shopping. A windows key is like $3 dollars

[@thomaswinwood]

I know they used to invalidate a Windows install if you replaced too much hardware in the machine, but is that still the case now that they let you use a Microsoft account for authentication? My install stayed activated despite swapping out everything but the graphics card and storage, but that's still not a 100% hardware replacement.

[@tribblier]

@@MrSaaadpanda I commented on this earlier, I wonder if I am banned in some way?

[@ianwest1624]

A Mac for poor people was definitely a better title 😂

[@costafilh0]

They don't change the Title. KZbin does. They load a bunch of Thumbnail and Title options and let the algorithm do its magic.

[@ianwest1624]

@costafilh0 seriously? Whenever I upload the title stays the same

[@agoniavr]

7:45 "You really look like budget Sam Bankman-Fried now" ended me! 😂

[@redxblood85]

What stand is that for the iPad at 12:22?

[@iRedMCYT]

4:26 You forgot to mention how it affects your power bill less negatively. That's like.. the most important thing you could have said there.

[@gilgabro420]

my grandma has one. she actually uses the mac a lot and it is perfect for her but she also does not game and she will never have to upgrade. her being 90 and all... :,D she did however say that she needs more storage and i will have to get her something external. Mostly because she is digitizing all our family pictures and I am super impressed by how good she is at it all.

[@_loois]

was that a drake and lil yatchy reference at 0:43 LMAO

[@rakshanaaaa]

[@joeandjoeable123]

Because of the thunderbolt 5. I really don't care about the storage. As a programmer, I am just going to have the storage required to install the system dependencies I need (roughly 80gb) and everything else can be external

[@EugWanker]

The base model M4 Mac mini doesn't include Thunderbolt 5. You have to move up to the much more expensive M4 Pro model to get Thunderbolt 5. That said, the vast majority of people have no need for Thunderbolt 5, and the base model includes Thunderbolt 4 / USB 4 which is already plenty fast for external SSDs. Inexpensive USB 4 enclosures can reach about 3500 MB/s transfer speeds.

[@DerekSmit]

Yeah but as a developer don't you want to run Linux? Apple hardware still isn't very well supported.

[@a1103]

@@DerekSmit These days you can pretty much compile to anything on anything (except very special embedded systems with their own proprietary compilers), and you can just test whatever in a VM/Docker/Whatever. So, today it's really just about personal preference. What IDE do you like, what OS do you personally prefer, etc. Anything else just kinda puts the devs within cages for no reason (usually). There are exceptions like company security policies or whatever of course, but... Again, as a dev, at this point in time, idgaf what system I'm working on, it's pretty much the same all over.

[@-Burb]

@@DerekSmit MacOS is certified UNIX which makes it very similar to Unix-like Linux distros. Along with what the other person mentioned about docker being widely used anyway, its pretty easy and well-supported to do most types of programming directly on Mac.

[@DerekSmit]

@@-Burb I know but you still have to use osx 🥴

[@JamieStuff]

I got the Minisforum Venus a year ago, and it's my "daily driver" with Linux on it. I absolutely love it. I'd consider the Mac Mini, but I can't stand MacOS, and Linux isn't really ready on Apple silicon.

[@Hamham-i8l]

Linus is calling us poor😢😢 Edit: Linus is a meanie

[@jacobaimeeh2263]

If $600 is your max budget for a PC then yeah we all poor

[@Axiomatic75]

It's not mean if it's true.

[@aytraf]

Here's a video idea: Take one of those outrageously priced upgraded configurations of the Mac mini and compare it to available options at that price point, given suitable use cases for such an upgrade. I'm sure Apple will get a lot of people to look at their offerings with such a great base product, but then those people will be thinking, "should I go with just 256GB of storage? Nah, I'll just pay $200 more ..." but at that price, do the arguments in this video change?

[@CanIHasThisName]

Every decent reviewer out there is very clear that only the base model is a good deal. The video you suggest would be entirely unproductive as this video already outlines that scenario.

[@Ruonim]

eeryoen will regret 256gb storage. Even 512gb is regretable after 2 year of use.

[@Max-tj3xp]

@@Ruonim regrettable if you are living in the last decade, network attached storage options are so cheap for such high capacity there's hardly any point in internal storage. not to mention the convenience of being able to use your storage across all OSes without having to email yourself data or rely on third party companies to keep your data secure (i use macos for work, linux personal, windows for a couple of games with anti cheat). i run a 48tb network storage solution that cost me less than 1200 usd and it has paid for itself many times over in saving the headache of having to juggle between internal drives. even on my daily driver laptop (tuxedo ib 14) i have a 500 gig drive because anything else larger than that is nearly pointless for users that don't have the last 3 cod games installed simultaneously

[@shrishpotdar343]

Nope that's a waste of time, once you cross the 600$ mark this thing loses value due to other better options available. But at 600$ + maybe an external SSD this is a great deal

[@CanIHasThisName]

@@Ruonim Aside from booting, there is nothing you can’t do with an external SSD.

[@yamazakitakahiro5515]

I got a Mac mini base model, connected a SSD and it works perfectly

[@MWHM2]

The G series Ryzens have castrated L3 caches... Why even bother with it when you will spec a dedicated GPU anyways... It is geberally known that a lower tier normal non -G series ryzen will demolish the G series one. So a 7600 or 7700 would have crushed this 8600G.

[@ArcticFox63]

Its LTT when did they ever care for stuff like that. They are the Top Gear of PC channels. More about the entertainment than the real facts or proper comparisons.

[@stevenc22]

The real winners are the $250 mini PC's on amazon with a Ryzen 7, 16gb. Its more than enough if you aren't gaming!

[@jakobh.4422]

good luck with OSX on those ones...you didn't got the memo? people buying mac's tends to want Apples OS (you get that?) not least after Apple's own silicon made WIn driver support a nightmare If people wanted a cheap power-hungry noise mini PC.. they would likely get one.. its two different elephants...you with me this far?.

[@itisamystery5392]

@@jakobh.4422 Except they're not the ones watching this video? Regardless, why would even want to use an OS with a poor UX like that in the first place?

[@themacintoshnerd]

I have a mac mini and steam deck. Really all I need. The emulation scene on it is insane. And having macOS is nice. It’s the system I’ve used for nearly 20 years and it is where I work most efficiently. The deck handles anything x86 and games. Great combo. As for ram that extra ram is sorely needed for anyone who might find themselves needing non mac software to run via virtualization or crossover. I’m glad it’s FINALLY 16gbs.

[@davidwebb4298]

MacBook for poor people is crazy

[@jmsp000]

Just watched it change in real time

[@jothain]

Mini lineup I understand, but Macbook I wouldn't recommend ever.

[@jernaugurgeh451]

@@jothain I would... I wouldn't have a Windows laptop ever nowadays - too noisy and low battery life, and the quality never feels as good. Plus... Windows. Ugh. I have a pretty good spec self-built gaming PC for that... the best of both worlds :)

[@changen4125]

500$ computer with edu discount LMAO. And some retailers just gives you the discount without edu anyways. Probably the best mac anyone can buy.

[@Chris-rg6nm]

I can't believe you all are falling for this. It's $600 because you can't upgrade anything. If any part of the computer fails it's non replaceable. You can't upgrade ram or storage. Forget about a graphics card. Plus they just want to trap you into their ecosystem.

[@jerelull9629]

I used my 2023 mini (M2 - base) for a year before I noticed it had a fan. QUIET is an understatement.

[@tipoomaster]

This isn't quite right, the explanation of unified memory instead only explains decades old shared IGP memory which has been dynamic for a minute. Unified memory's step beyond this is unifying the formats and address space of CPU and GPU, so instead of dynamically allocating, they can just address all bits of RAM without any copy penalty.

[@iHaadi]

I know I’m poor, lemme get it off your hands

[@JaleTechAndGaming]

I actually found 1 reason to upgrade from my M1 Max: Final Fantasy 14. The new Dawntrail expansion made it almost unplayable when it used to be pretty solid. I think I'll upgrade M6 or M8 though.

[@fugofugo5135]

6:25 I know that you are "professionals", but are the ALL the configurations on all 3 Blenders/pc's the same ? Blender Offers A BIG variety of options on how to render things, I would assume that you are using the SAME safe file to render on all 3 PC's, which would cancel any difference in Render settings. But its also important to keep in mind which blender version you are using. So in a Nutshell, do you use the same safe file with ALL THE SAME settings on all 3 pc's, and do you run the same version of Blender ? I am NOT doubting that you do, but the render results seem too different to me, and the render time seems suspicios. Which CAN be a result of different hardware "performance", but at the same time could be a users input error. AGAIN not doubting, but I also know that blender is complicated enough to allow errors to slip in.