FINALLY a new Kia & Hyundai Software Update... Worth the wait?

[@TechnicallyJeff]

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[@StephenByersJ]

Customers: We just want a manual preconditioning button! KIA: Best I can do is Sports app no one will use.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Haha I know right

[@brianborkowski5977]

Click on the 1st article Hyundai rolls out audacious.... then scroll down to Mobility Game changer

[@vpkb]

It's not useless, I actually use the Factory Nav very frequently so it's good. I use Android Auto as well, but as connectivity is sometimes unreliable, I resort to the Factory Nav, which is the best factory Nav I've used.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah having the nav work and updated is important but no features added isn't good

[@davidjwnam]

Was the map updated? For some reason, my neighborhood is outdated for several years worth of data. It has a dunkin donuts that hasn't been there in over 20 years too. I live in a cul de sac, but the map thinks its a one way so always says I'm going against trafic.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah maps are always updated with new software versions. There's odd though. I think you can submit a map update.

[@davidjwnam]

@@TechnicallyJeff they have not in my case. I submitted map edits last September and again in December. Oh well..

[@TechnicallyJeff]

that's frustrating

[@jablak91899]

Have 22 EV6 since March of 22. One of the changes I noticed is in climate control. Now it actually adjusts fan speeds down once temperature has been reached.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Mine has always done that in auto mode

[@jablak91899]

Interesting, in auto mode the fan intensity would change on auto 1,2, or 3 but it would always stay constant for that setting. You would feel the air temperature adjust but fan intensity was always the same.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Oh really? My fan intensity has always automatically adjusted, just with more fan overall on high vs low.

[@ingoldsby]

As someone who has both an EV6 and a Tesla model Y, these are just so, so lame. The disparity between the scope and quality of software updates on my two vehicles is wild. Kia seems to just be stuck in legacy auto mode with the idea that if you want improvements you better buy the next model year.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah I love the car but the lack of software support is crazy to me. Even Ford pushes out regular updates.

[@ingoldsby]

@@TechnicallyJeff yeah, I think they are the first entrenched automaker to realize they need to step up their game or get left behind. Hyundai/Kia are doing well in regards to electrification, but they need to catch up with software too. I think they will get there, just not on my '22 EV6.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah I'm sure they will. But I agree. On the hardware side Hyundai/Kia is great. On the software side, not so much.

[@Kellric7]

They could at least update the lousy generic car icon to show an EV6 on the infotainment !

[@TechnicallyJeff]

I know right

[@tofislam]

Always hated that. Just ordered an Ioniq 6, and it may have the same shitty generic vehicle image when it arrives. Remarkably stupid, especially in the face of Chinese android based infotainment screens with great software (not to mention Teslas). Even cosmetic updates would give early adopters a little joy and praise for making this EV thing actually happen. These companies throw early adopters under the bus. Or some software dude (or dudess), just crack the bloody software and make it happen.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah unfortunately I agree. I'm a big tech person (obviously) and seeing the tech in the vehicle get virtually no significant update in 2-3 years is disheartening.

[@koryleach9660]

What a USELESS update!

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah unfortunately

[@tj81164]

Yeah, I couldn’t care less if I get Sports updates in my car. I want f*#>ng Wireless CarPlay!!!

[@TechnicallyJeff]

exactly

[@LearniverseHub]

@@tj81164 but it depends on your location, here in Switzerland my EV9 came with Wireless CarPlay, sports update etc.. but what i noticed different from other countries, the second role doesn’t have massage etc maybe because mine has the car seats options to rotate etc

[@JohnRoss1]

The Canadian kia update webpage now says download in October. My latest version is dated 231215 (December 15) the October 2023 update was not compatible with my 2022 ev6 gt-line 2. I learned that the US and Canadian updates are basically the same. So I think there is more to come in October, or November... 😂

[@TechnicallyJeff]

The December one was the October one with bug fixes. And yeah we're supposed to get them twice a year in April/May and October/November. I doubt we'll get one in a month though.

[@jimmccusker3155]

Wish you would have mentioned how some users (like me) ran into a bug that caused the sports feature not to work while complaining about needing Kia Connect (which I have the Ultimate version). Very frustrating.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

I did mention some people had issues with the sports working but that it worked for me

[@waxy1962]

​@@TechnicallyJeffI have the same problem with my 2024 Ioniq 5 limited.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah it's odd some have issues while others don't.

[@abram3265]

The UK updated in August and all I can see is different is they have removed SoundHound integration. We already had the sports bit in the UK and if you ask me a massive gimmick you get highlights through radio or phone 😂😂

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah not much was added. Pretty pitiful

[@chrmnxpnoy]

The latest update on my GV60 that added wireless CarPlay sadly killed functionality of my Carlinkit Tbox Plus 😢 it no longer boots properly. Hopefully Carlinkit adds a fix for it.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Really? Hmm that shouldn't have changed anything. The GV60 still has wired carplay which is how it communicates.

[@IshmeetSinghahuja]

Hi jeff !! There is a new update!!

[@TechnicallyJeff]

This is the new one

[@rob8969]

You don’t have the new seat warmer and cooling screen? That’s the only thing I’ve seen that I actually want

[@estebannator2012]

Agree with you. That's what I wanted, since no physical way.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

I couldn't find anything like that

[@estebannator2012]

Possibly only I5 got it, but they put pretty much warmer and climate in one screen, because they previous way didn't make sense, you had to do an extra step to get to the other screen.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah I saw something about that. My climate screen looks the same as before but it says rear warmer which I'm not sure if it had before. But I couldn't find anything to activate the front seat warmers or the heated wheel.

[@estebannator2012]

It should be the regular climate plus heat/ventilate seat + heated wheel like on the left of the screen

[@markshellard]

We have been told that it doesn't have the hardware but I have an EV9 now and wireless Android Auto is great but burns through battery.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah some had speculated we didn't, but many have said we do but it was an issue with their agreement with Tom Tom but that's been resolved. And Kia has told me they are working to add the functionality. But yeah the EV9 with ccNC has it. It is nice, but yes, burns through battery.

[@rodden1953]

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO DO THIS IM OLD AND DONT UNDERSTAND TEC STUFF , JUST HAD MY kONA EV SERVICED AND THEY EXPECT SOMEONE LIKE ME TO DO IT . ITS YEARS OUT OF DATE .

[@TechnicallyJeff]

They can do it for you too

[@rodden1953]

@@TechnicallyJeff i know they can they just won't i dont mind paying for it so long as its done .

[@SGoDProdigy]

Is this update available for 2021 Kia forte fe?

[@TechnicallyJeff]

it should be

[@robsquared2]

It may be a false hope but considering my Ioniq 6 has a hotspot option I hope some day to get wireless carplay/auto.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Hopefully one day

[@blackomega99]

I heard Hyundai Kia genesis were going to android automotive in 2026 and if that’s true then these will mostly only be small fixes in store for the existing head units

[@TechnicallyJeff]

I haven't seen that. They just rolled out their ccNC platform.

[@waxy1962]

The sports app doesn't work in my Ioniq 5.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah some people are having issues. It doesn't seem like any specific reason either.

[@Visualhead_Spacer]

i thought they updated the navigation with proper SOC on destination, removed the annoying message that tells you that you are not going to make it on your destination.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

They didm you don't need to confirm you want to add chargers. I thought I mentioned that in the video.

[@jimgray1967]

This is confusing. I was really excited to see this post! Today (9/7) I downloaded the "latest" update from Hyundai and it is identical to the one released on June 21, 2024. So, not new at all. Also, the last map/nav update was 12 October 2023, so not very current on that either. Basically the maps are nearly a year old and the UI is three months old. Hyundai needs to do better for its legacy customers.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah I'm referring to the navigation infotainment systems map and software update. There's not a new one for the regular infotainment system. But yeah I agree. No real progress at all on these. It's unfortunate.

[@nednewh8913]

You make it seem that it’s very possible we will never get an update. I think that it’s a crummy legacy to leave 3 model years EV6 owners with never refreshing this system. Colors, layout, functionality. Nothin’ I feel like I’ve been left at the altar. lol

[@TechnicallyJeff]

We get updates to the map and some very very minor things like we got this time, but yeah it doesn't seem like we'll get anything significant.

[@twcz3]

They haven't published this on the site.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah not yet

[@edvservice-maier]

Hello Jeff, I think the new update is an absolute step backwards because of the audio. I always had my radio at level 6 and T-Box sound at level 15 (since Bluetooth or T-Box was always quieter). That was perfect, when I switched from T-Box Audio to radio, I always had the right volume. Since the update I've only had one volume for all, which means when I switch from Bluetooth to radio it blows my ears away. And I didn't find an option to have this function again or do you know something? Thanks in advance.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Hmm interesting. You can go to the projection settings and set the volumes there (Tbox Plus would be carplay). I wouldn't think it would make radio match whatever is set there. I honestly don't listen to the radio though so I can't speak to that part.

[@edvservice-maier]

@@TechnicallyJeff Yes, in the Projection Settings can i set the volume, but it is now the same volume as the Radio. Bevor the Update it was not so. Very Bad.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

@@edvservice-maier that's unfortunate they did that

[@BillMassmann]

Can't seem to find the update on Kia's website. Any help would be appreciated.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

It's not officially out for manual download yet

[@BillMassmann]

@@TechnicallyJeff thanks for the quick reply. Just curious how you were able to download it. Thanks, Bill

[@TechnicallyJeff]

It was an OTA update. I went to the software screen in the setup menu and tapped update and it triggered it.

[@K1LL3RS4L1F3]

my car AC stopped working 😔 this is so frustrating with this hot weather

[@TechnicallyJeff]

that's not good. definitely get it checked out.

[@jairh9410]

The US navigation system now lets you know about traffic lights. Similar to Apple Maps.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah that is a plus

[@PhotoJohn80]

Still no wireless airplay?:( I guess at this point it is not going to come to our cars.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah it seems like it's probably never coming

[@cw9297]

The Motorola MA-1 is very reliable. I forgot this doesn't have wireless. My truck is wireless AA and I find the Motorola just as seamless.

[@hbax450]

I bought the CarLinkIt 5...it's pretty good. Every now and again it doesn't connect...but not often enough for me to complain.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah the Carlinkit 5.0 and MA1 are solid

[@hbax450]

Does the MA-1 work with CarPlay?

[@sahn026]

Here in NZ, we don't even have the kia connect lol

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Oh really??

[@gman9543]

Doesn't appear to be available online yet. I just used the Kia Navigation Updater to create a USB stick yesterday and "CV_E.USA.S5W_M.V011.005.240416|KM|2022_EV6_USA|1454|1" is showing in the .VER file that's on the USB stick.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah not yet

[@crimsundynamo]

Jeff.......Keep pressing them!

[@TechnicallyJeff]

I try haha

[@GlitterGuru]

I thought the HVAC screen was updated as well?

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Not in the Kia EV6 at least

[@flolou8496]

? How do you know if a ''used IONIQ 5 SE from 2022'' has the ''software fix'' that was attempting to cure the ''unstable'' Level 2 charging? Is there a way to view it in the software history ? I'm referring to this software update that might only be available at the dealership if I understand it correctly, and it was to help with the overheating issue on the charge port particualy as it effected a much slower Level 2 charging experience for ''at-home'' charging: I have to ask here because some used IONIQ 5's availale for sale at non-hyundai dealership's are completely clueless of what I asking about, but I want to know before buying a used IONIQ 5 under this method, that I know at least that model was capable of at least capable of installing the ' 'overheating chargeport update'' of 2024: P.S. This is the update that I assume was triggered from the class action lawsuit over this problem with 2022 and 2023 and I believe even 2024 IONIQ 5 models: but it's very hard to figure out how widespread this issue is on these specific models:

[@TechnicallyJeff]

I'm not sure you can tell if the VCMS was updated looking at the software versions in car scanner.

[@flolou8496]

@@TechnicallyJeff Well, ok than, can we back up a minute, how do you know via the VIN # or some other detective troubleshooting, if a used, 2022 or 2023 used IONIQ 5 SE trim, is one of the unlucky ones, that are going to need the dealership software update in the first place? Am I right in thinking or hearing, it's not automatically a re-call unless your specific model gives the warning error ?

[@TechnicallyJeff]

I think it's based on production dates

[@michaelm.wiseman282]

Still waiting for the head unit/ACP split screen. Radio display is abysmal. (EV9 GT-Line)

[@TechnicallyJeff]

That would be cool

[@sungbaek3526]

To be fair, it doesn't look like the ccnc system is getting any love either. I've had my car since may and I've had 0 ota updates, at least any that i know of

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah it's a much better platform though. Much quicker system, wireless, full ota.

[@GlitterGuru]

3-4 months isn’t long enough for an update. They usually come annually or biannually

[@TechnicallyJeff]

For Hyundai/Kia biannually (and not significant). For other manufacturers (Tesla, Rivian, Ford, etc) it's more often and more significant.

[@jimgray1967]

Does this have a map update?

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah the software update includes an updated navigation map.

[@cure1245]

@@TechnicallyJeff Honestly, I think the map update is being slept on. I now see traffic lights, and a lot more left/right designations for waypoints on local roads!

[@TechnicallyJeff]

The map update is simply navigation data from their map provider. That's easy. I definitely don't give them any credit for that lol.

[@svenskenh644]

The update has given my headache: on the freeway to work I now have to confirm HDA after every exit. Really annoying,

[@TechnicallyJeff]

What do you mean?

[@svenskenh644]

In EU you have to confirm auromatic lane change when you enter a high way that supports it. A message will appear on the power-o-meter and you must press the OK button on the steering wheel. But after the recent update I have to push ok after every on ramp every 5 km or so… Very annoying

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Oh wow yeah that would be annoying

[@JlunaPlays]

When you said sports app I thought you meant like a GT app like the N app the elentra N has 😭😭

[@TechnicallyJeff]

That would be awesome lol

[@timman470]

This update disabled my mirror cameras, I had to go in and re-enable them.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Really? That's interesting. I haven't heard of anyone having theirs disabled.

[@timman470]

@@TechnicallyJeff It could go along with my amp going bad and having to be replaced. It went bad before the update and I am waiting for the part now. The biggest issue is the mirror camera setting is buried deep in the settings.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

@@timman470 ahhh possibly

[@hbax450]

It is very disappointing that the update contains pretty much nothing new. At the very least, I was hoping for wireless CarPlay.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

If they gave us wireless so many people would be happy

[@chrischaffey1252]

@@TechnicallyJeff wireless and also a manual preconditioning button. Those 2 things, and I'd be happy using Android Auto as my infotainment. Assuming a manual preconditioning button was on the side panel. Since I split the nav screen with 2/3rds to android auto, and the last 1/3 for the side panel, I could precondition without leaving Android Auto.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yep that would be great

[@contemplatethejourney]

Thanks Jeff. Very very disappointed. Thought I was missing something. Not sure who is the Product Owner for @Kia SW, but they are really missing out on a great opportunity to separate themselves from the masses of other manufacturers. BTW - does ANYONE use the voice command or built in map navigation? It’s pathetic as well, but I have never even heard of anyone using those is a serious manner

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yep I agree. In my opinion they should be really focusing on software. Easily could spend $10M a year on 20 really good software engineers to make significant changes and upgrades and it would be a drop in the bucket for them.

[@twcz3]

Can it read you group chats correctly instead of reading every number?

[@TechnicallyJeff]

I haven't tested that haha

[@ramonlisojo4906]

So dissapointed. I have been waiting for an update for long time at least for updated maps with more features but at least we received something. Hopefully we dont have to wait till next year to see another update and we get it by the end of the year. I would love to see changes to the themes or the icons and again a better sound . Lets see 😢

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah to me it's the most frustrating that this is now almost a year after the last major update (October last year). That's crazy.

[@jt19767171]

Next car=Tesla, they do update, kia/hyundai does not

[@michaelm.wiseman282]

There is a nav update but I think you have to do it manually.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

This OTA update included a map update, but I don't give them credit for that. It's just updated maps from their nav provider.

[@Takusman]

the trip planning is still ass. Here is what I do not understand, the infotainment is just android, why can't kia just move to android car? like chevy and volvo

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Android Automotive has to be designed to integrate with the vehicle systems. I also don't think the S5W infotainment system has fast enough processing. There's also probably licensing costs.

[@jt19767171]

OMFG!!!!! Kia/hyundai should be embarrassed of this useless update, NOTHING worth, we need something to do the the car better, if we want sport we see it on tv

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yeah exactly this is pretty pitiful

[@frits183]

Is there also a update for European 🤔

[@abram3265]

Europe updated 22nd August or at least that’s when mine did. Speed limit warning audio and removing SoundHound from radio

[@TechnicallyJeff]

It was a few weeks ago and didn't update much either

[@mrTrekirk65]

Smh

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yep...

[@michaelballdrums]

Terribly disappointing.

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Yes it is

[@ChristianBorchgrevinkVigeland]

What did you expect? Anything specific? Didn't you get the update to the "warmer" menu?

[@TechnicallyJeff]

There are so many things they could do and add

[@michaelballdrums]

@@TechnicallyJeff Completely agree! Wireless projection. PC route planning pushed to the vehicle, which is already partially done through the app/owner's portal. So many things. What do we get? Sports scores, without the most popular sport in the US? Really? They want us to take our eyes off the road instead of giving us something useful? Also, the release notes are incorrect. They say that the sports scores are on the "Home" screen, but they're actually in the Kia Connect App. They have no clue what they're doing with software. I also know what I'm talking about because I used to write infotainment software until about a year ago. I know what's possible and useful.

[@michaelballdrums]

@@ChristianBorchgrevinkVigeland Sports scores that I have to focus on instead of the road isn't exactly anything I was hoping for. Wireless projection and PC route planning pushed to the vehicle would have been MUCH better offerings.

[@niconoypirynn]

Lol useless update

[@TechnicallyJeff]

Very