Finally Decent Hearthstone Packs! 20 FACTS about The Great Dark Beyond

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

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[@shadow_braixfox]

level 214 with tavern pass 1% Perils gameplay achievement

[@THMCTerracraft2]

Gwent and Runeterra didn't make enough money and are no longer being updated, now somehow Hearthstone is THE most free to play friendly card game, at least among those big popular ones. Ridiculous. Also here are my stats: level 129, 3% Gameplay-Paradise achievements.

[@tamiloxd7168]

There were many, such as Elder Scrolls Legends(my favourite), i think the reason is that Hearthstone is a gold mine for Blizzard just to let it die. There were many opportunities for them to drop HS and focus on other projects, that is the reason why they keep monetizing the game and making it in f2p friendly.

[@nachoarnedillo1368]

Lvl 200 with pass purchased. Playing weeks on and off and regularly duos with wife

[@superwatcher456]

@epicgamer3840please, can you help me find my wife?

[@serd213]

41% achievements and 158 level without tavern pass. I came back to Hearthstone a month before this year's rotation and this expansion is the one I played the most this year, well, until they brought back Renathal to standard

[@DISTORTEDNOISE]

Standard packs are much more valuable for Tavern Brawl rewards as they can be saved up for the next expansion and help get a full collection day 1. Latest expansion packs cannot and are objectively worse for people who have the majority of the expansions cards by the end of the expansion.

[@valerielusa8000]

Great, the old system was better for a tiny minority of players who absolutely didn't need the help

[@DISTORTEDNOISE]

@@valerielusa8000 if you have all the commons and rares from an expansion (which is pretty hard to NOT have by the end of the expansion, even if f2p), then it’s objectively worse. Most players just don’t think ahead and save up standard packs though. The old system was actually BETTER for f2p players so they could get more new cards quicker for upcoming expansions.

[@RathElTigre]

Should i open standard pack first or the great dark packs?

[@DISTORTEDNOISE]

@@RathElTigre when expansion is live, standard first. That way the majority of cards you get from the standard packs will be Great Dark Beyond cards.

[@RathElTigre]

@@DISTORTEDNOISE Ohhh thanks you, i have 3000+ gold so i will buy a lot of the great dark packs

[@PunxsutawneyDave]

Level 149 with tavern pass and 62% completion in Perils in Paradise. Keep up the great work guys!

[@AirmanTerror180]

Currently at 8% PiP gameplay achievements with a level 135 Rewards Track without Tavern Pass. Honestly better than I thought it'd be since I mainly play BGs

[@davidetonini5327]

Level 147 no tavern pass, 4% achievements. Loving your updates❤

[@Yorbjorn]

Im currently level 142 on the battlepass. Havent had much time to play since early september. Yet i bought the premium pass and tried to complete my weeklys each week. I also have 12 percent of the gameplay perils achievements and have collected all the cards of perils. Great video as always! Looking forward to the brawl next week

[@LuizMoratelli]

Level 189 with paid pass, aiming to ~200 before season ends. 25% of achievements from PiP.

[@TheMASTERCHS]

I've completed 9% of PiP's gameplay achievements and am currently level 183 on the rewards track with booted exp from the payed track as well as finishing all daily and weekly quests.

[@MrSakki14]

Thanks guys, is really good info to know before the expansion release; Keep it up, i´m at lvl 203 atm but to be fair i no not buy perils because that esxpas theme was really stupid for me. + i´ve have 21 standards packs saved + 20k of gold for this new expan 👍💫💯

[@rustyknight1572]

I'm at level 208, with 56% Perils gameplay achievements. However I do actively try to aim to do achievements specifically.

[@thiago_cassetete]

Valeu Davy!! excelente trabalho!

[@bradencluster4739]

Level:197 and 21٪. I have significantly less gold than I'm used to. Before they removed the afk grind, I would end an expansion around max level 400...

[@huzzlin4979]

Same here. Sucks now with half the gold to buy packs. That's why I didn't buy the tavern pass for PiP.

[@filipvadas7602]

Same. I get that it was a neccesary evil due to bots exploiting it. But it still sucks.

[@flocki8534]

I'm currently level 200 on the rewards track and have 24% of the Perils in Paradise gameplay achievements, because I did not actively try to get them this time.

[@RoTenken]

Level 238 with Rewards Track and 70% on Achievements, which have been more grind than usual to complete. Looking forward to the Tavern Brawl.

[@Grommok]

I a currently at level 142 on the reward track and 12% complete on PIP.

[@caro5788]

At the time of writing, I've completed 3% PiP gameplay achievements and got to 161 on the Rewards Track with a purchased Tavern Pass. Didn't play much this expansion.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Did you feel like you were playing less? During Badlands your level was much higher. I played very little during the PIP expansion.

[@caro5788]

​@@HearthstoneMathematics I did play less and missed a few daily/weekly quests but only because I've been slaying demons in Sanctuary 😏 (Playing Diablo 4 expansion)

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

@@caro5788 I missed the fact that the PIP expansion phase is shorter than usual.

[@fabianhafen1101]

Level 193 and 22% Achievements. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@windaloopmoba8572]

I am currently at level 267 on the rewards track (pass purchased, Paradise achievements at 1%), though I expect to reach 282 by november 5th. This is the first time since Nathria I have'nt reached lvl 400 through afk farming. Farming is still possible, but I don't think afk is an accurate description of it any longer! But I knew afk farming was going to be removed at some point, so over the last 2-3 years I have done my best to save as much gold and dust as I could. I have managed to save up a fair amount of resources, I currently have 50 k gold and 88 k dust, plus 50 k dust in duplicates (Never press the button!). I belive I should be able to more or less complete the collection of each expansion with out much more than a 2 k net loss from my buffer each set. So unless they increase the number of expansions per year to 4 (I sincerly hope they do NOT do this, as I think it would be catastrophic for the game) I should be able to last for about 8 years. With the direction Hearthstone is heading, it seems that the game might not surive for that long, but one can hope! Keep up the great work, Freedom for Ukraine!

[@skyblue_mind]

Level 197 (without Tavern Pass) with 100% PiP gameplay achievements. (have not yet finished this weekly quest) Some of achievements required highly specific strategies which I mostly performed in Wild. (I do Wild only for achievements)

[@jonathonwearn1098]

I'm enjoying the Pre-release Tavern Brawl. I don't play arena, so I have a ton of tickets. I didn't purchase any bundles, so I'm just using old cards. I went 5-3 on my first run w/ Mech Warrior. Got to open some new packs. I'm a big fan of this so far.

[@Pit1993x]

Reached level 250 on the rewards track. Wasn't sure which achievements you meant specifically, so here. PiP collection at 73% PiP Gameplay at 42% The gameplay achievements are not fully up to date because I've kept a bunch on hold where I'm going to cash in all the EXP once the new rewards track goes live today. :)

[@Poster39777]

F2P Lvl 95 42% but the I crafted a lot of rouge cards. Haven't played at all this expansion until this brawl. Personally I loved the brawl. 300gold for 2 cards packs ain't a big cost 100 extra for the chance to make a profit. As well as getting to try my new cards. I got one 5 wins and played maybe 4 runs. Looking forward to the new expansion!

[@DefeatLust]

Taven pass: 91 PiP Achievments: 0% (f2p only play Paladin and dust everything else 😂) Side note: The amount of research that goes into these videos to make them so succinct and understandable, is incredible. THANK YOU!

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thanks! ;]

[@punaise62]

Hi here, iam 10% achievement of PIP and lvl 147 without tavern Pass. In try to optimize quests, easy to do in one time. So playing every 3 days ! Question: i play since 2014, i have most of cards of each expansion since then. Old cards are wicker and i dont like to play wild. Should i disanchant all of them ? Those before 2023 !

[@ariariari7138]

I ended up on level 78 with 56% collection for perils. I'll likely be more active in the new set since I think it will add some new interesting stuff to the meta

[@texan8580]

I'm at 197 with 24% completion in Perils. Will note I'm sitting on 5165 gold and 22 Standard packs; been following your advice for a while now and find that I really enjoy the game more with just the purchase of the Rewards track. Think I average about 6 legendary cards if I wait to open expansion cards AFTER opening all my standard packs.

[@VictorTerhorstNunes]

Lvl 247 and 35% of Pararise achievments (don’t really care about them as I don’t see them as good rewards). Valeu, Davy! 🇧🇷

[@angor111]

When will the deck from stream drop ? And what streams, like old drops or only certain pages ? LV 153 & 15 %gameplay achievements

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Sorry, I don't understand the question. Do you mean Twitch drops? More information can be found herehearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24146090/the-great-dark-beyond-community-events

[@antonvovk8867]

level 160 track, Keep up with the good content!

[@volandkld708]

Level 162 on the track without the tavern pass, 4% achievements

[@LuizMoratelli]

Obrigado Davi!

[@TheGameIsOverPodcast]

I bought tavern pass and am at level 185. I don’t worry about the achievements too much.

[@valentinvozaf647]

Old Animated trailers are what brought me back to HS after 6 years, very sad to see that they don't do them anymore

[@seantan9141]

came back to the game during mini set release for perils, now at level 85 rewards track without tavern pass, 10% PIP achievement

[@MatthewJohnCrittenden]

I'm at level 199 with 37% gameplay achievements. I have the tavern pass. Love the game, hope the new meta isn't too ... asteroidy.

[@ConnahGriffin]

I'm at level 101 currently without a tavern pass. I played on and off through the expansion. I didn't play for roughly 2 months added up for this expansion.

[@ScoRPion55678]

Will the pre-order offer be available after the release?

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

no!

[@ScoRPion55678]

@@HearthstoneMathematics ☹️

[@mjteller1835]

Lvl 230. 100% PiP achievements (no tavernpass) Also did the really good achievement package for the old expansions (except for the 4×dr.Boom one as I miss 2 Booms in my collection). Disclaimer: I don't play any pc or mobile games but Hearthstone so all my game time goes here.

[@felixmussweiler2485]

I'm at lvl 159 with no tavern pass. I completed 64% of the PiP achievements.

[@OroApostropheUnderscore]

Rewards track level : 146 PiP achievements: 11% F2P, i complete my weekly quests every week, almost all dailies too. I play every 2 or 3 days for i'd say one hour or two. Since the PiP launch in late july, i've played a total of 421 games

[@Tintin_Quarentino]

Reward Track Lv: 205 Achivements: 19% With Tabern pass since the second week of the expantion. I play daily for like 2 hours.

[@soapfoam]

NA lvl 79, 11%, EU lvl 68, 9%, Asia lvl 70, 9%. Averages out to lvl 73, 10%. I was clocking more time before they changed quests and added really long event chains that completely exhausted my desire to play.

[@Kaeldorn]

Level 154 on the rewards track (no pass) and at 17% achievement completion for the expansion. Kept ranked ladder play to a minimum to complete quests and did some BG's on the side. I used to actively try to complete achievements, but haven't continued doing so this year. The meta strategies have been too oppressive, making sub-optimal deck experiments less fun to play on ladder.

[@filipvadas7602]

1. I completed 8% of the gameplay achievements for Perils in Paradise and got to Level 170 on the Rewards Track, no purchased Tavern Pass. Certainly better than I thought I'd do since I REALLY didn't like the meta in Perils. I would probably be higher tho on the Track if they hadn't nerfed the AFK grind so hard for those of us who love to play Solo Adventures and Mercenaries to grind it out. I get that they did it to curtail bots, but still sucks as I think a lot of F2P players will be missing all that additional Gold going into Dark Beyond 2. As for the change to the Rewards Track, its arguibly an improvement. Those first few levels that gave you 50 Gold barely mattered. So effectively doubling that value by turning them into Dark Beyond Packs is actually quite nice. For F2P players that's less Gold spent on buying packs and for Paying Players and/or Content Creators it means more Dust to experiment with more cards. Not sure how I feel about them reverting Quests again tho. It feels like an attempt to make the game grindier again after they just gave us a W with the aformentioned packs And I 100% agree on the Signatures. While I do think the bundles they come in are hillariously overpriced, the artwork is so gorgeous I can see why people would want them. Makes me kinda wish they would go back and redo the old March of The Lich King Signatures. They STILL look like trash tbh. 3. As for how I feel about the expansion itself, I'm excited. Not hyped exactly, but definetly much more hopeful and am anticipating this expansion more than the *last 3 combined* Great theme, amazing artwork, generally fun cards & ideas. It won't "stop" the downward trend Hearthstone has been on the past year, but its definetly a *great* first step.

[@andrasregos8047]

Current Rewards Track Level: 212 with Pass. Not happy about the standard pack change, nor the first few lvl gold--> pack change (I'm a saving up type), but I get why the community likes it more. However a really like the theme, so hope for the best!

[@seraphim090]

Retuning player, level 119, 0% achievement from perils and paradise (but I mostly played cheap meta deck like elemental mage or dragon priest) Do you plan making a "Ruote" for this expansion? Some months ago, you made a very informative image on how to spend gold (like buy 5 pack of perils, then 5 pack of this, then 5 packs of that...) do you plan making something like this for the new expansion? I'm a f2p player, I have 2,5k gold and I would like to know how to effectively spend it..

[@nosafetyswitch9378]

Level 193 currently, bought the Tavern Pass but have not been playing as much as I used to.

[@Yeetethyote]

As of Halloween i'm level 197 without a tavern pass. Notably this season i played a lot more battlegrounds and arena, playing ranked mainly to get dailys and weeklys done. I'm at 18% in gameplay achievements. While i like the concept and art of this expansion, I think we'll see moainly the same or at least a similar meta for a bit unless the devs intervene.

[@Ttangko_]

Gameplay - Paradise: 9% Reward Track: 144 I wanted to play more but then Renathal was enabled and the only fun deck to me (Espionage Tess Rogue) got outvalued by the uncreative meta control decks that danehearth's rogue deck was designed to counter. Also the lack of midrange increases the issue of no room for creative meta approach

[@Ttangko_]

Whizban is at 29% - how does that relate? is that still low?

[@huzzlin4979]

Level 180 on rewards track with no tavern pass. 30% gameplay completion for PiP.

[@nikolaswantroba]

Obrigado, Davy!

[@lukebas1162]

Level 221 with premium track I actually enjoyed Perils in Paradise

[@DDDD-vw1tm]

Level 151 with Tavern Pass, 14% Paradise Achievements. I have played HS for 8 years. These days I only play to finish quests and get legend so the rewards track level only depend on how fast I am able to hit legend. But I still enjoy HS. I am a long time premium player so I could be biased, but I do think the balance and economy HS is completely fine. I get one prepurchase bundle and the tavern pass every expansion. I am able to play whatever I want and have a lot of excess coin+dust. I picked up MTGA in recent months and guess what, both the balance and economy are god awful. Themed boards and cinematic trailers will be missed. This is very normal when we are used to getting them and they are taken away. Exact same sentiment in the Overwatch community. Blizzard really does an exceptional job on these kinds of stuff. Fun fact: I hit a jackpot with the packs during Perils of Paradise and reached 100% collection within like 150 packs.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

amazing result

[@franco5120]

Level 142 with 1% achievements for Paradise, no Taven Pass. I mainly play Wild

[@banmonsterg.8245]

Currently 146 on the rewards track with 12% Achievement completion, free pass.

[@eduardinho1999]

Level 161 with Rewards Track and 24% on Achievements for PIP

[@seanvandover9531]

Finished at level 247, purchased tavern pass, completed all achievements.

[@horong]

Currently 164 track level and 100% Paradise achievements

[@benjaminstellhorn4740]

Battlepass level: 159 Gameplay percent for Perils: 41 (Taven pass not purchased)

[@Ic3Drop]

How many packs do I need to open to have all commons and rares ?

[@impatientimp3292]

gameplay 31% rewards track level 132 without purchased pass I came back to hearthstone, after a 3-4 years period, at the start of september so I felt like I had to play a lot if I wanted to finish the track. Turns out I overestimated :)) Also the free deck, the catch-up packs and disenchanting some old cards made it really easy to get back!! (reached legend in september and october)

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Welcome back! :]

[@ReyMercuryFGC]

LvL 167 (No Tavern Pass). 14% gameplay achievements on PiP. and 29% collection for PiP.

[@omegafr299]

Currently lvl 155 withotu pass and 92% completed

[@gusty24]

Level 205 and 18% of Perils in Paradise achievements. This expansion I didn't grind much for completing achievements.

[@YunTaeGoO]

I am at level 153 on the rewards track without the pass and have completed 11% of the PiP achievements (dont care about them and also mainly play Battlegrounds)

[@dvides89]

Level 132, and 8% achievement on Perils 😢. ( haven’t spent a single dime in the game since Titans).

[@silvereloking6149]

Standard packs are much better than new expansion packs. It's sad that some people don't understand that.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

These packs are only good if you abuse their features. For most active players who open packs immediately, Standard packs are a source of dust.

[@cristianciobanu3510]

@@HearthstoneMathematics I wouldn't use the word Abuse here. AFK XP Mining was an abuse. Keeping the Standard packs for the next expansion is wise investment in your collection..

[@Flash_6646]

Level in rewards track - 148, no tavern pass Paradise gameplay achievements - 10%

[@xsas8731]

Currently lvl 182, 24% Perils Achievments. I probably won't play a lot anymore. Burned out on the metagame and will only play dailies until the expansion release.

[@devilsadvocate1429]

I don´t play Hearthstone since january. At first I felt relief and a bit of regret. But later I regreted not quiting sooner :)

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

:[ The Great Dark Beyond doesn't seem interesting enough to you?

[@devilsadvocate1429]

@@HearthstoneMathematics The Dark Beyond theme and the new mechanic seems interesting. But I´m no longer interested in playing Hearthstone. However I will still be your channel member. Don´t worry :)

[@PHOENIXstudioCOMPANY]

166 level - 15%

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thank you for your support but I'm asking for a different reason :] In similar cases I'm always interested if Blizzard has a hypothetical chance to bring back players like you?

[@devilsadvocate1429]

​@@HearthstoneMathematicsI believe there is zero chance to bring me back. Card games aren´t my favorite genre. Hearthstone was an exception. Time spent in this game, could have been spent better to play other games I´m much more interested in. I´m probably burned out. I don´t want to "step into the same river" for second time.

[@derangedcomics]

I'm currently level 143 and a mere 4% on achievements. But I've never been an achievement hunter. I play the classes I like and avoid the ones I hate (looking at you, Druid). I usually play Standard and Battlegrounds. However, I'm really getting sick of the power creep in Standard. If I wanted so many OTKs and bullshit, I'd play wild.

[@TheMrYadrian]

Question: what if someone is starting his adventure with the game, how can he 'collect' all 'rares' or most of the cards from the set?

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

It's simple. Don't miss activities and collect rewards. Play with pleasure and don't grind. Hearthstone is a generous game, but the reward is distributed throughout the expansion phase. In a few months, you will be able to significantly expand your collection. But you should understand that a new player needs more time than a regular player to collect cards, including those from previous expansions. In this case, you should focus on collecting cards from new sets. In 4 months, the 3 oldest expansions (Festival, Titans, Badlands) will leave the standard format. There is no point in investing resources in these packs.

[@TheMrYadrian]

@@HearthstoneMathematics Alright but how? I mean doing quests for sure but what modes to play?

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

@@TheMrYadrian You can play in the format or mode that you like best. Arena can give you the most resources but you need skill. The Standard meta is more dynamic and constantly changing. In Wild, many decks are very expensive, but they can be relevant for a long time. Some players claim that this is the cheapest way to play, but in my opinion this format is more difficult for a beginner. You should choose Wild or Standard. If you get tired of Standard or Wild, you can play Battlegrounds. For the time spent in the mode, you will receive XP for the Rewards Track. Personally, I play mostly Standard this season and sometimes Battlegrounds.

[@KnownAsKenji]

And if you want to track the Rares, keep in mind that you can hit the 'Crafting' button in your Collection, select an expansion from the bottom left button, and then type 'rare' (or common) in the search box to see what you're missing.

[@DamianPereyraHs]

TBH I see new tabern brawl as a good idea for Premium players. As F2P I can totally skip this tabern and nothing unfair happens to me. 😅 It's way better than pre-order exclusive cards for example. I'm lvl 153 on Reward Track and get 8% of archivements from PiP. 😊

[@skychan5074]

New player here!

[@KnownAsKenji]

The most important packs are the ones I'll hopefully be farming from noobs in the Tavern Brawl event today. I am free2play, but I have any Whizbang or Paradise card I want, and 30 Tavern Tickets because I don't play much Arena, so I'm hoping to rely on those to do decently. If players cannot Craft the Beyond cards, I wonder if paying players will have such a huge advantage, as it should be impossible to have a complete collection for this event, and they may simply not have key synergies they want. I am level 150 on the track, and my Achievement % for Paradise is 0%. There are 2 complete Achievements but I'm saving their XP for the next expansion. As for the rest, they weren't very applicable to what I was playing, I guess.

[@KnownAsKenji]

Seems like I made a good call here, there's tons of people farming packs in the Event right now lol.

[@MrCarlsberg]

Level 168 with tavern pass, 12% achievement in PiP

[@chrismoerk]

15% PiP achievements, lvl 130 on the track with no pass.

[@ebigunso]

Lv 147 with battle pass. 23% in PIP game play achievements, 88% in collection achievements.

[@shadow5273]

level 137 on the rewards track and 95% done with achievements ... i have two more achievements to do and took a 3 or 4 week break so im way behind on the rewards track compared to normal

[@andreas3599]

currently at lvl 154 and 49% completion in Perils in Paradise

[@ludygrv]

Lvl 186 on the rewards track with no tavern pass, I have been trying to complete the PiP Achievements so I am at 70%

[@Holly7500]

103 level on my reward track without tavern pass. 12% gameplay achievements this expansion

[@Ladybug0363]

I am currently level 163 with pass and 39% progression

[@giedriusbeast3220]

reward track level at moment is 175 ,but game achievements only is 10 % and never buy any paid tracks

[@RedEyeStorm7]

Level 168, 12% PiP gameplay achievements, No tavern pass.

[@jeremyphilipmonteiro6268]

I am at level 172 on the rewards track with only 2% achievement progress for PIP.

[@Barcasaur]

Really want a board for each new set still....

[@lightemup3582]

Level 151 currently (without tavern pass) and 11% of gameplay achievements

[@dvides89]

I agree 💯, the fact they are investing less and less on the media shows how out of touch they are… This expansion has absolutely everything to be a homerun, but just by the direction they’re going I’m considering using my huge dust pile and not invest a single dollar in the game. I absolutely love the art, theme and mechanics; but the game shows decadence in how they keep cutting on the awesome cinematics and songs they were known for…. I might be an exception, but with a good trailer I probably would’ve buyed the bundles.

[@bigboss-qv7pe]

I have the same impression, the way they want to desperately boost pre order sales while not maintaining other parts of game makes me feel like we're on a sinking ship. I'm also gonna spend dust only.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

I'm a free-2-play player. I've never needed resources and I have a ton of dust, but I want to support the game and so I periodically buy the Tavern Pass, although I don't care for cosmetics. I haven't made any purchases this year and decided to do so during the third expansion. I really like this expansion but I feel like the game has lost its atmosphere. Without the mood, new cards are just game elements. As of today, I have no desire to make a purchase and it's sad but I hope I will change my mind.

[@KnownAsKenji]

Reminds me a bit of Nathria, which had a pretty interesting setup, but they didn't do anything with it, though they at least had a board and cinematic. Great Dark Beyond is possibly an even more amazing theme, but there's even less that they are going to do with it.

[@egieggz9341]

level 107 without tavern pass, 12% PiP gameplay achievements

[@TheLokiSeto]

201 LvL and 21% PiP achievements progression

[@tchoupilenonchalant2642]

I am level 162 with a 23% achievement rate for PIP.

[@IgnisNatus]

Level 150 in the track. F2P 9 Achievements completed but not reclaimed ..

[@AlejandroPerez-mt3jf]

lvl 204 with tavern pass and 84% in PiP

[@Justinhindsight]

Level 190 paid pass, 18%, 8995 gold. I complete daily quests, about 3 games a day.

[@greggics]

11% gameplay achievements, level 150 without Tavern Pass

[@felipegarciasilva3204]

Im at lvl 154 of the pass and 20% of achievements, full f2p. Did all daylies and weeklies. Didnt play as much mainly after the miniset because i hate the big spell mage meta. Also the removal of afk grind really hurt me.