Finally High Power 350kW+ ChargePoint Units! Charging On The Express Plus For The First Time

Kyle heads to Wheat Ridge, CO to charge on a ChargePoint Express Plus for the first time. These can be configured up to a 400kW output shared across two posts or 350kW per output port. In this case, the unit is a 200kW arrangement but is the same functionally as a higher power version - he plugs in a 2022 Tesla Model S Plaid using the OE accessory CCS to Tesla adapter.
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[@Zyzzyx42]

Unknown Karen: "Yeah, there's this guy walking around the charging stations at 2am taking video." Police/security: "Ok maam, we're familiar with Kyle. We'll go check on him though."

[@natehoy6924]

You never know when he might need an emergency delivery of strawberry acai.

[@brandenflasch]

You know it’s cold when Kyle is wearing more than a hoodie

[@Ambot51]

I'm such a Dad, all I thought was, "about time he's wearing a coat."

[@chidorirasenganz]

lol right

[@anydaynow01]

Yeah between him and Bjørn they are really putting this new generation of BEVs and chargers through their winter testing!

[@waynelewis9110]

@@anydaynow01 The new generation of EVs are awesome, but these third-party charging networks’ charging stations are so faulty that it’s disheartening. I was hoping to watch this video from Kyle without having to see the charger fail, but of course, it ended up failing, haha! Just had a great rental experience with Model 3 from Hertz. I was supercharging without having to worry about reliability. Hoping to rent a Kia EV6 on Turo to try it out (or when Hertz gets them), but definitely worried about the charging experience.

[@kdlange6052]

@@waynelewis9110 Except you didn't get to experience all the tesla model 3 offers no tesla app key etc and no premium internet connectivity! Come on hertz step it up and tesla you should have required these option on the sale otherwise prospective buyers don't get the full experience. And a ccs fast charge adapter would be nice too!

[@anthonyc8499]

Yes!! Chargepoint visit and interview with their management team would be so interesting and educational. Both for the general public but also for any companies or municipalalites that are considering them as an option.

[@ryankassel5691]

Awesome to see. I've had pretty solid experiences with chargepoint, I love how quick it is to get charging. It'd be super interesting to hear from the people behind chargepoint!

[@newscoulomb3705]

Kyle, just a fun tidbit: It appears that, at this point, a 200-mile EV can now drive coast-to-coast in the United States using only ChargePoint DCFC.

[@tkusterb]

This charge station is about a mile from where I live and I've used the older (green) units and never had one fail or be out of order. Want to check out the red express station soon!

[@dyhppyx]

Love the on camera fail. Nicely representative

[@sharup1838]

Lmao when you said "cojones" 🤣

[@rfb91a]

Did you notice the police car sitting in the background?

[@andyfeimsternfei8408]

Great to see chargers being sold for third-party ownership. This will allow gas stations to buy them and operate them for profit. Once they can make money, chargers will be everywhere and competition will lower charging prices.

[@xwolpertinger]

Phoenix Contact sparks joy. And their plugs don't feel like trying to wrestle a trout

[@ConstantinEckhardt]

In Europe they are everywhere. When I come to a station without them I call sus 😆

[@kkawing]

Would love to see the ChargePoint factory tour. Bjorn's Kempower one was very interesting, and I have no doubt a ChargePoint one from you would be awesome as well.

[@stockpicksbytim1228]

I would love to see this too!

[@aaronvigliotti4187]

Definitely check out ChargePoint HQ, amazing hardware testing facilities with some really cool tech!

[@davidbaker9943]

Is this the first time Kyle has worn a hoodie underneath a coat on camera? Also great that it failed…oh charging

[@kevinwhited984]

Would love to hear more about Chargepoint & their pricing models when you have time. We’ve been looking to spec Chargepoint units at a few sites in the municipality at which I work. The pros and cons are always helpful.

[@ChargePointnet]

Thanks for stopping by Kyle!! Come nerd out with us on all things EV charging at HQ anytime⚡

[@Mistermatt1984]

I used one of these in October. I didn't even realize it was a big deal. Just thought it was an updated Chargepoint station.

[@robingrimbert3948]

You have to go check out the ChargePoint lab!

[@JoseMiguelL]

Chargepoint will be the next Exxon for EVs.

[@willtheelectrician8184]

You should start seeing some of these CPExpress chargers at Stellantis dealerships around the country this coming year. As well as 19.2kw cp6000's

[@stockpicksbytim1228]

very exciting stuff

[@automatix5]

In Europe there are many chargers with these PhoenixContact connectors, all of them are liquidcooled. Way more reliable than the H+S connectors on the ABB units. The only downside on these PhoenixContact plugs is that they are very heavy. On some cars (Audi e-tron for example) you have to hold the plug during the handshake process, otherwise it won't start to charge. And in Europe Chargepoint is now installing Alpitronic chargers at most of their locations. You can ask them on your visit if they want to bring them to the US as well ;)

[@AllenTweed]

What is the size of the utilities transformer? 500kva? 750kva? I'm guessing it's a 480v 3p unit

[@TheLordDerrick]

You should absolutely go to ChargePoint’s lab! That would be great content

[@StevenHoagland]

Yes, I'd like to see you go to the ChargePoint lab in California.

[@ouch1011]

YASSS to the ChargePoint lab video.

[@Sgtmikeb]

Love the cop car just chilling out in background not even running but sitting there

[@dennisnieto9378]

Charge points awesome can’t wait to use this sometime soon

[@ArtiePenguin1]

The one main drawback to ChargePoint is the LCD screens on their stations. They are too dim to be easily seen in direct sunlight and the touchscreen sensitivity isn't the best. But station activation is quick so you don't need to look at the screen too much.

[@MrUnder30seconds]

i like the lit up charge areas, no oil anywhere, clean.

[@FthePump]

Can’t wait fir ChargePoint to bring these more in CA as the Charge Points around here are sooooooooo slllllooooowwwwwww!

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

Imagine starting a charge, then going to eat dinner with your s/o, only to see that 5 minutes in, it stopped for some unknown reason. Until every charger is as reliable as Tesla’s super network, or until Tesla opens up their network to everyone, Tesla will always have a huge advantage over everyone else.

[@venichen1]

I learnt so much about EVs from this channel. Now I want one, but charging infrastructure isn't great in my city lol.

[@ronald4life1]

About time. Chargepoint have been basically just ignored by most users because of how slow they are!

[@johnnyblaze8857]

I'm in Ft Lauderdale and electrify america is changing all its chargers to 350kw stations

[@Jannik_1020]

Now imagine Alpitronic Hypercharger in the US 🚀🙈

[@johnpoldo8817]

Historically, EA chargers were very unreliable. But their new 350kW, very tall white/green units work well. I’ve charged a Lucid in Naples, FL using plug-n-charge a several times w/o a glitch. It was the same experience as a Tesla Supercharger. Without preconditioning, it started at 269kW and at 94% SoC was still pumping 59kW.

[@Idontknow819918]

you gotta see Kyle's new video (the one where he was unable to charge his Rivian at Loveland, CO). All EA chargers failed.

[@eagleflight06]

Great video, would love to see you visit chargepoint!

[@evcharging5858]

Thanks for doing this video. I gained alot of understanding from you. I actually spoke with ChargePoint this morning. We may be partnering with them to supply our charging centers in Texas.

[@OverlordActual]

I'd watch a video about chargepoint lab tour.

[@ahmadthaier]

I can’t wait for your round steering wheel. You better have a video with details on the wheel. I got my model S and can’t wait to get a round wheel soon.

[@stevedowler2366]

On the public user side, chargepoint has been a favorite of mine when I can't get to a SuperCharger. I carry the CCS-1 adapter and have used it in Durango and Ouray CO. I don't like the rotating head only because its return spring system is too strong and many people will have a hard time wrestling with it. Maybe that can be adjusted to better accommodate the general public. The company had some growing pains but their attention to fleet operators and city owned sites was a wise startup choice and apparently is helping them add the public access now. Good detail and yes, see if you can do a home facility visit in CA. Cheers and thanks agin for a well done video.

[@shaqdeez1]

Digging that Arc'teryx Parka coat. I think i may have the same one but in Black. That thing is so cozy and warm.

[@electricprincipal543]

Thank You Kyle. Wonderful stuff, my friend.

[@gust9464]

Thx Kyle. Didn’t know ChargePoint had these out yet. Only issue, my Tesla isn’t ready for the upgrade / retrofit yet 🤷🏽

[@RuneVenes]

Show the charging screen, for us here in Europe

[@e-redj]

Nice to see that also in the US more and more CSS networks offer chargers that can deliver the power that current cars can accept. It is impossible for one network to deliver enough charging stations for everyone’s needs. You now need some kind of roaming between the networks to get P&C work throughout all the networks, or use the P&C system that BMW wants to use where you can add up to 5 different credentials for 5 different networks, but I don’t know how it will work (manually, automatically through handshake or with geofencing).

[@newscoulomb3705]

Thanks, Kyle. Unfortunately, the only Express Plus we have in California is at ChargePoint's Headquarters, and it's not open to the public.

[@paulacothren3591]

VinFast is building their vehicles an hour from my house in NC, and Toyota is building another battery plant in the same area, so I was very interested to see Kyle's battery sharing video in Norway ( I don't know if VinFast will partner with Toyota battery for VinFast battery subscriptions or not). On another note, I am also very familiar with Fort Collins, which is a safe town, so who called for a squad car during this filming is uncertain.

[@roberthicks686]

I went by there a couple of weeks ago to pick up an order and noticed those stations but I didn't need juice. The patrol car was also there. I wonder if it's security just for the station. 25 cents a minute to park after 30 minutes is a bit harsh for a site that isn't being used that much. There was one EQS at the Plus while all the other spots were empty.

[@unclej3910]

I would like to see a visit to Charge point hq. On a side note, Charge point wants to install a DCFC in Gunnison CO, but the City will have to build a new substation in order to have enough capacity to power a DCFC. Yet, in Crested Butte, we have a Charge point DCFC and have plenty of power to run the charger.

[@Scoopta]

Tbh I've never had an issue with chargepoint, they just don't have much infrastructure but IMO the experience is better than EA.

[@johnpuccetti6019]

So would you buy charge point stock?

[@MrVeeBlog]

Thanks for the video.

[@skyemalcolm]

Only 4 ChargePoint stations in the whole country faster than 200 kW according to a quick PlugShare search.

[@gbphil]

Demand charging is a nightmare scenario. What next, do these companies run a credit check on you to see if you can afford $10 per kWh?

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

Great vid. Love the content. Thx for all you do.

[@johnpoldo8817]

As a L2 ChargePoint user since 2017, I have been very pleased. But, when I tried to install one with direct billing at a condominium, apartment, and HOA, pricing was 4x other vendors for the same charging. Very disappointing.

[@mikebroom1866]

Oh yeah. Get nerdy at Chargepoint

[@carloorelli3538]

Can't wait for the Cybertruck's 1Megawatt charghing cable

[@LarryRichelli]

Wow, Kyle not wearing a hoodie!

[@Liamshavingfun]

Yeah go to charge point!

[@fitybux4664]

9:27 $12,000 dollar cable ruined by someone's hacksaw. That's like totaling a low cost car. 😲

[@jackbrown8052]

Would have filled my BMW from empty in about 10% of the time it took him to get to 35% charged. Years ago the manufacturers of EVs told EV owners that EVs would be able to be charged at home in the same amount of time it took to fill a car with gas. That dream is obviously still decades away.

[@fitybux4664]

Charge Point Operator: ChargePoint. 😆

[@stuartnolan9313]

Tesla X/S refresh with FSD 36.20 will stop charging if car unlocks and relocks. That may have happened as you walked around.

[@ivlis32]

The cop shows up to check Kyle's canyon speed :)

[@quadrfonik]

Great video, but not exactly how demand charges work. Usually they are max demand over any 15 min time over a 30 day billing cycle. So time of use will really won’t apply. If you pull 300 kW just for 15 minutes at midnight, that is the demand charge. It’s basically the utility saying they are reserving this capacity for you In case you need it. Setting time of use is still important if the utility has a time of use rate to incentivize that option for the energy charge kWh. Many utilities are looking a demand charge adjustment riders with EV charging to limit demand charges until the load factor is normalized as use increases.

[@waynewilliamson4212]

nice and nerdy is good...

[@PeterPaulMasigan]

What happened to the Ioniq 5??

[@Kitchfox]

It would be awesome if you did shoot a video at there facility

[@benkanobe7500]

Please explain/correct my thinking: I think when Tesla Super Charging the charger is part of the "control" of the rate/current as well as the car. When charging at home (120/240VAC) the car controls the rate/current. So, IF this is true why would I think it is safe to charge at this high rate (DC) from a non-Tesla charger where it is anyones guess what profile the charger supplies the power to my precious Tesla Battery?

[@vladnedelcu9292]

you didn't show how you activated the station :(

[@jutperry]

Was that a police vehicle in the distance?

[@cjonesplay1]

It will be great to see a degradation video on this Plaid. I’ve only level 3 charged my MYP about 15 times in 7 months. I mostly charge at work. On a 14amp level 2(1.5 really it’s slow ). Keep up the great work Kyle.

[@JamesKirk1988]

He did do this on his Model 3, which is likely the same kind of batteries your Y. If I remember right, at 100k miles, I think he had like 7% degradation, and the battery heats up a little faster due to increased resistance. I have 20k miles on my 3, and only supercharge on road trips. So far, about 2-3% degradation according to BMS, which it's been at since about 1k miles. My battery is normally kept between 35 and 70% and Level 2 charged at home.

[@cjonesplay1]

@@JamesKirk1988 yes. I remember. I would like to see it done on the Plaid.

[@mattf3761]

Keep talking up CPT! I'm an investor of a whole $150 😂😂😂

[@ven412]

Where in wheat ridge ?

[@arenjay3278]

When i walk.or sometimes drive past street lights they will turn off or on. I thought it was my phone so i left my phone at home and it still did it. I watched others and it didn't do it. It is just weird.

[@TheAdventureAuto]

Due to charging being so readily available nearly everywhere now, it seems to make most sense to have the really high output chargers near main interstates and highways. Within town 100kW max seems sufficient.

[@oldskool9783]

how long after a charge until the station hits full power again?

[@TheRockHardKeg]

Kyle can you let me know the next time a charger opens up so I can try it out quick before you break it

[@abraxastulammo9940]

7:21 Kyle being Betatester extraordinaire...or just the Nemesis of charging operators? 😅

[@andrewyang7763]

ohhh so this is why I can only get 80 kW max on my ID.4 on these ChargePoint chargers. I thought there was something fishy going on.

[@automatix5]

Because the current output of the plugs is limited to 200A. The ID.4 needs 350A to get the maximum 125kW.

[@njk9989]

Heard of fast charging stations at #TARGET in the #Denver #Lowry neighborhood. I’ll go take a look.

[@DrunkenAfro]

The Reality is Stressful: 4min in and it fails. You then have a car sitting there on a high output charger, not charging with 11% battery while you are having lunch and everyone else waiting is getting mad at you for being plugged in and displaying charging complete. You get back to your car finding you still need to charge, figure out what went wrong while you get all the death stares from everyone. You reset the charger, start charging again and everyone rolls their eyes at you thinking you are unplugging. Then you are nervous about leaving your car because you dont know if its going to fail again so you babysit it and double your rest stop because it simply was unreliable.

[@florante4991]

That thing dispenses regular unleaded electricity only. That's why it stopped.

[@Dhairyasd]

Ok, my takeaway, fancy looking charger that’s says that it’s 350 KW but charges at 200 max, has a bulky non-tesla connector that needs an expensive adaptor to work. Isn’t exactly plug and play since it requires fiddling with the touch screen (also highly susceptible to vandalism due to its fragility), credit card may not work sometimes. Even after it starts charging, it may stop randomly for no reason whatsoever. Overall, highly unreliable. How is it better than a tesla supercharger?

[@natehoy6924]

It's not. Kyle is doing a review of a CCS1 station compared to other CCS1 stations. Not once did he use the term "Supercharger" or compare it to that network. He probably used his Tesla with the CCS1 adapter because that was the car that needed some juice at the time, or he just wanted to drive that car.

[@apaskey]

If the express has been available for so long why are CPE250s getting sold so much to municipal installations. It's cable seems far superior for damage and vandalism to the cpe250

[@staceythomas3866]

Why don't you charge at a tesla charging station.

[@EVunedited]

Wonder if they can do a Tesla connector cable (NASC)

[@natehoy6924]

They probably could but what would be the point? For $250 you can get a CCS1 adapter for your Tesla and just use the CCS cable already there. As Kyle pointed out, the liquid cooled cables are very expensive so putting in a Tesla-specific one for big bucks doesn't make sense when we can just buy the adapter.

[@EVunedited]

@@natehoy6924 not all teslas can use the adapter. If the add the cable the will have more users

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Check out the Kamen, Germany charging hub by EnBW on Chargefinder, it has 26x 300 kW Alpitronics, so it can serve 52 cars at once with HPC. 😁

[@e-redj]

It’s about 8-9MW of power for the whole site. It’s difficult to believe that they are currently paying for that with the current levels of utilisation. But it’s also difficult to find 52 people with a high charging power car that want to meet there to proof me wrong. 🤷‍♂️

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@e-redj As a stress test they usually have a day or morning per year where the charging is preannounced to be free so many people come to charge their car. Afaik it is common to provide only power for a concurrency factor of 200 kW, not the full 300 kW (per charger) for a site.

[@david9192]

Pretty 😎 cool 👍

[@maygarland6123]

if i was a government purchaser, id want charger that have between 80-120kw output and does it reliably. most normal cars being sold at the moment cant handle more than that or their curve isnt worth worrying about more than that, and the price difference of installation is substantial. more often than not the max power from main grid to each site is a limit anyway. starting to demand a new substation for everywhere that is a suitable location is worse than accepting the limits of what is already in the ground. please talk more about costs, cost of purchase of the kit, cost of the installation of it, the ongoing cost of back end stuff. i cant see many people making their return on investment on dc chargers, nevermind a business model of profit. yourself and Bjorn dont seem to appreciate that someone has to do the initial investment and when talking about the latest vehicle want to moan that the charging pumps are too slow.

[@chrishoedt]

Europe version????? we don't have those type of connectors in Europe!!!

[@JenniferScott-w6c]

If you want to buy one from charge point its gonna run you over $100k each dispenser! thats why you dont see them

[@thepunadude]

NICE COAT THERE NANOOK! ITS CHARGE YOUR CAR OR HEAT YOUR HOME ...

[@marcusrose5943]

Wait it didn't work perfectly and it didn't turn into bash chpt or any mention of big T wow that's growth

[@Takusman]

now do FL 🤣I feel infrastructure-wise we are faaaaar behind every other state specially in the miami-ft. Lauderdale metro area , lol chargepoint flooded FL with sub par lvl2 chargers, the fastest I got was a whooping 6.2 kwh at Epcot with my ev6

[@natehoy6924]

If you want a really good laugh check out CCS charging in Maine once you get past the very southern 25% of the state. We're finally starting to get roaring-fast 62.5kW stations in the southern half, maybe by May of next year. The entire northern half is just empty - only a handful of 6kW L2 stations at best.

[@kdlange6052]

Thought you ditched the hoodie but there it is under you arctic coat. I'll be in Colorado over the holidays my son sent me a forecast for 12/22/22 at -19F will be Interested to see some freezing cold range testing on your current cars. You're being stalked or photo bombed by security in the background. Why don't they add tesla connector and steal some supercharger business same for electrify America don't understand their marketing

[@briank3754]

I’ll take the reliable 50-63 kWh Chargepoint over broken EA chargers.

[@golfish8589]

Let Alisa pick out a nice winter hat for you. No need to freeze your ears for us. We all know you are not Mr. Fashion