Finalmouse Starlight-12 Zeus/Hades: Small & Medium Review - A LOVE-HATE Relationship

[@s.sunhaloo]

I would actually go with the small, even though my hand will cramp, but after some days I will adapt to the shape. Nice videos, very high quality.

[@korgy]

Small would be great. I think with a lighter, faster mouse switches, small would be pretty awesome! Thanks for your time!

[@s.sunhaloo]

@@korgy Also it depends on person, I personally have really small hands and I play with the Cooler Master mm710, aim has really been good much better than with my larger, heavier mouse. Thanks and keep up the work!

[@Tk12038]

@@s.sunhaloo I have small hands too whats the measurements of yours?

[@jackieliang8410]

This video was super helpful especially when you compared with different mice. thank you!

[@karminipal4700]

Good going with it. I would personally go for Hades S-12 Medium as it would be a nice fit for my hand. Scroll Wheel center is off for some copies but the nacho fix works. I personally go for Ents method whereas you just add a clear tube between the scroll wheel plastic pointer to decrease the movage between the SW making it balanced in the middle of the opening. Good to see you got D2F-F37 switches in it, not personally something I go for but the d2f-01f but knowing you had difficulty, could have played around with it maybe it a perfect fit and won't have any issue regarding assembly.

[@korgy]

I’m actually going to be sending the mouse out to Ents to take care of the switches and QC issues. Hopefully all goes well hahah.

[@abyss_mk]

Oof these qc issues hurt. I really want to like the starlight. Almost pulled the trigger on an aftermarket one but will wait for this product to mature.

[@korgy]

This would be the smartest move. Hopefully you're not waiting too long!

[@killua-qy8bm]

Definitely wait for the next batch to come out. They're switching from Omron switches to Kailh GM 8.0 switches which are way better and with a new color way! Save your money and try and get one of them for msrp. twitter.com/finalmouse/status/1414678261888536589 , here's the tweet of the announcement if you haven't heard. Also "Pwnage" is another company soon to be releasing a new mouse with Kailh GM 8.0 switches if you're looking for a cheaper and more available option, available for pre-order rn. Best of luck!

[@potion95]

They claim the bottom is a different material so that the wireless signal could travel faster. Apparently they were having connection issues with a magnesium alloy bottom.

[@korgy]

Yep I’m aware. But even Cooler Master has holes in the bottom of their shell and it doesn’t feel like styrofoam like it does on the Finalmouse. Maybe it’s just me?

[@DJHarmonics]

My starlight came with a scroll wheel that didn't work. Then 2 days later my side buttons broke.

[@korgy]

RIP my sincerest condolences! These mice would be so great otherwise. I feel for you bud.

[@chrisr6950]

thats why you dont by finalmouse

[@DJHarmonics]

@@korgy Thanks man. Hopefully they fix it for me. Been waiting 3 weeks for a response to my emails at finalmouse support.

[@rajjgaming5919]

F should've waited for another company to create a wireless mouse the same weight and looks except the same imprints then that company would get fucked over with copyright.

[@tsillie9555]

if the cape town were a medium I’d be so happy. I just want a medium sized Ul2. That shape feels so good.

[@korgy]

You need a medium Starlight my friend. But venture at your own risk!! ⚠️

[@tsillie9555]

@@korgy I do not wanna pay aftermarket prices thoughhhh LOL the most I'd pay is $230

[@SaintLunch]

You can always try the Sirius M

[@BZRK-]

@@korgy The new btl vancer gretxa v2 is great, if you want what the guy above said. The sirius-m is a good lighter option for cheap. I have both and love both. The gretxa suits my pref better. Shape, switches, sensor, scroll wheel, coating and quality… everything is better on the gretxa. And i got it online to London for $82 including shipping.

[@korgy]

@@BZRK- I hear great things about the Grexta!! Really interested myself, but the weird hole shapes kinda look cheesy hahah!

[@Boofus]

oh my god this guy is so underrated man

[@korgy]

Thank you for the kind words! Hope to see you around more! 🙏

[@calvin3941]

Hey Korgy, super helpful video! With the upcoming ULX I'm having hard time deciding between the Small and Medium. My hands measure 19.5x10.5cm and I use a fingertip grip with my palm slightly elevated. My palm doesn't actually touch the mouse with my current GPX. I saw in one of the comments you mentioned you were going to main the small for a while. So I would love to know your thoughts and which you suggest between the two sizes. Thank you!

[@korgy]

Hellooo. So regarding small or medium, I actually made the step up to medium full time. Small is nice and light but way too jittery for me. If you are completely fingertip, small would be good but I may have mentioned that with the small, your hand will likely cramp up because how you grip the mouse. For you I am leaning more towards small, especially if you have no contact from your palm whatsoever. The safest bet and my personal recommendation is to get the medium though. I love the medium and if were gaming more often I’d opt for the ULX medium. But unlike you, I need just the bottom edge of the mouse touching my palm to stabilize my aim and smooth things out. My hand is similarly sized and I could finger tip medium too. Finalmouse medium is similar in dimensions I feel to your GPX but with a way flatter hump and top profile, so fingertip is feasible. The jump from GPX to a medium ULX makes sense too. So I say go medium!!

[@calvin3941]

@@korgy Yoo, dude! Sorry for the late reply. I really appreciate your detailed response, it's super helpful. I've decided to go with the M as you suggested, and it's a bonus that the S and L versions won't be out until December, so I can grab it sooner, haha. I'm curious, what mousepad do you currently use? I've been using an Artisan Hayate Otsu, but over time, it's gotten pretty uneven due to wear and tear. I'm considering giving the Pulsar Superglide glass pad a shot for the extended durability.

[@HyperGlameow]

Caught the video hot and fresh

[@korgy]

You the real MVP 🙏

[@HyperGlameow]

@@korgy I really liked your artisan mousepad video you made all the different versions really easy to differentiate, I'm excited to see what you'll showcase in the future

[@korgy]

Thank you so much for the kind words! Hoping you were able to pick up and enjoy an Artisan pad for yourself though. Thank you again and I appreciate your support!

[@GLi10]

I couldn't quite tell from the video but how does the size and feel truly compare to the viper mini? I've done a bit of research and the viper mini has my absolute favourite shape and feel, which made me lean towards the s-12 small but it appears that the medium isn't that much bigger, thank you for any replies and great quality on the video, definitely gained a new subscriber!

[@korgy]

OK so you actually convinced me to bust out the Viper Mini and feel these mice side-by-side. In summary, Viper Mini actually feels more closer to a S12 MEDIUM but VM has a nice taller mid-hump. S12 MEDIUM is slightly longer than VM too by 1cm or so. S12 SMALL, to me, is very noticeably smaller than VM. S12 SMALL feels much shorter in height (no hump on S12 SMALL), length is almost 1cm shorter than VM, grip width feels much smaller as well. But the weight on S12 SMALL still makes it feel so good to whip around. In my opinion, I think MEDIUM is still the way to go and is closer to VM. S12 SMALL is still kinda too small. VM is pretty much in between sizes between S12 SMALL and S12 MEDIUM. Might come down to whether you would prefer the mouse be a little bigger (S12 MEDIUM) or a little smaller (S12 SMALL). Tough choice but I still choose MEDIUM.

[@GLi10]

@@korgy thank you so much for the reply! I guess I was correct to trust the doubts I had and I'm looking forward to more helpful tips from your channel!

[@korgy]

@@GLi10 hope that helps! Curious to know what you end up going with.

[@dylanpace3921]

Just subscribed. 1000000000000% worth it. Great everything

[@korgy]

Thank you for the support!! I appreciate you stopping by!

[@memoxypnoz1235]

Dude your mouse videos are cool im settle for viper mini now :D

[@korgy]

Pretty much a finalmouse loooll

[@trucings9013]

great video man keep up the good work :)

[@korgy]

Thank you very much! I appreciate your support!!

[@Koithefishi]

Hi Korgy, love the quality of your vids and commentary! I ordered the phantom small off stockx and I’m just curious how your experience was with shipping time. Please keep making great vids!!

[@korgy]

Hey thanks for the kind words!! Wish I had more time to make vids but still around. Anyway, the whole StockX experience needs a little patience because it’s kinda annoying. I’d say the whole process was just a little over 7 days, maybe 8 total (excluding weekends). The third-party seller sends the mouse to a StockX near you (2 days). StockX receives it and takes them like another 2 days to inspect and verify. Then it took almost another 3-4 days for it to be sent to me directly - I believe via DHL, it came pretty fast after StockX “verified” it. I just think it’s a little silly for StockX to “verify” electronics, it’s not really like sneakers where these items are counterfeit like shoes/luxury goods. They also slap a tacky StockX sticker on the Finalmouse box, confirming that it’s been verified lol. Anyway, not a bad experience and probably the only reliable way to buy the mouse a little over resale. Hope that helps, to me it’s been worth the wait!! 👍

[@Koithefishi]

@@korgy thanks a bunch for all the info! Probably just impatience due to excitement for trying something new but I was getting worried lol And totally understandable, but I would watch your vids even if you reviewed laundry detergent. Came for the product reviews, stayed for the clean presentation and personality. Take care and thanks again!!

[@emonihS911]

Hey Korgy, I know this video is old but I was able to get my hands on the SL12 Poseidon that just dropped. I was able to get the small. I’m going from the ultralight 2 to this. Will i have any issue switching ?

[@korgy]

Hey sorry for the delayed reply! OK so I think the switch from the UL2 to Poseidon should go pretty well. For me, I noticed right off the bat that I don’t like the clicks/mouse switches in SL12 compared to the clicks in UL2. The omrons in UL2 just are so satisfying to click. Some might think I’m crazy but I think Kailh switches are some of the worst switches to put in a mouse. Kailh 8.0 is not so bad and that’s what goes into the SL12 but still not my favourite. Mouse weight and wireless functions just further enhance the great experience I had with UL2. That’s all I can really think of right now. Hoping you’ve already been adapting well to the switch! SL12 is really such a great mouse but with equally annoying problems. Can’t have it all I guess 🤷‍♂️

[@Axel-lt5jb]

Hey are u using claw or fingertip grip? So is the finalmouse more similar to razer viper with no hump compared to g pro superlight? I currently owned the g pro and viper v2 pro and feels like the viper’s shape is too thin and missing that hump for my claw grip style.. do u still recommend the starlight?

[@electronicrice7635]

Hey Korgy, I know this video is old but I was able to get my hands on the SL12 Poseidon that just dropped. I wanted the medium, unfortunately it sold out but I was able to get the small. I’m going from the viper ultimate to this. I play with a hybrid grip, rest my palm but my fingers are in claw grip. Do you think I’ll have an issue and what’s the size of your hand from middle finger to base of palm and across?

[@korgy]

Hey. To be honest, I think the small is a little too tight and will re-wire your grip to lean more towards full fingertip grip. Can’t remember my exact hand measurements, last I recall 19-20 x 10 cm and I’m still cramping my hand to grip the small finalmouse. You sound like you have a similar grip to mine and honestly the medium has still been my main mouse and just more comfortable for me since I can rest my palm on the back of the mouse. It also gives me more control and stabilizes my shaky aim (I play on 1600 dpi). It sucks that the medium sold out because it’s honestly the safest and most comfortable pick. But if you are prepared to train your grip to go fingertip with the small, I think you’re going to hit new records with the small. It’s lighter, faster and awesome. It’s almost like you can play longer, more consistently and more comfortably with medium. But you can dominate for a shorter period of time with the small. Hope that helps you somewhat.

[@electronicrice7635]

@@korgy thanks for the reply! I play with 450 dpi. I did notice when I focus on the game, my grip becomes claw like. My thumb and ring, pinky grip the sides and the rest are claw like. I’ll see how it is and if I don’t like, I guess I’ll sell it or find someone to trade

[@SaintLunch]

Hey thanks for the video. I have the same relationship with my SL12, the clicks are killing me but I cant stop using it. When you did the switch swap, did you remove the mylar pads on the plungers?

[@korgy]

Wow glad someone understands my pain haha! I actually received some help with getting the switches swapped in (because I bricked an XM1 in the past). As far as I know, the mylar pads were still intact. I can absolutely tell you that changing the switches out are well worth the trouble though, really game-changing stuff.

[@alexblend4751]

Hey there, I have the Small Poseidon,( Originally I wanted the medium but goddamn snipe bots) do you think its worth it to sell the small to get a medium, or just grab some infinity skins and place them on the small to change the dimensions and make them a bit wider and taller and such?

[@korgy]

Hey! So after a lot of experimenting, I’ve realized there’s a place for both small and medium finalmice lol. Like the medium feels really comfortable and fits with my natural grip style which is kind of like fingertip gripping with the butt of the mouse touching my palm - I guess that’s a palm grip?? On the other hand, I can whip around a small finalmouse and maneuver it so seamlessly. It even would go on to help me break my own personal records in aimlabs. But I think every finalmouse needs heavy mods - grip tape, skates, new mouse switches, better QC etc etc. I still ultimately prefer the medium finalmouse though but that’s just me. I think you could still do well with a small finalmouse and I’m going to make it my main for a little bit and see how I feel. Curious how the Tenz finalmouse will do. Sounds like a dream mouse for me!!

[@alexblend4751]

@@korgy agreed! Hope it’s not just the same thing as the backhump mod! I’ll be trying to get my hands on a medium soon!

[@Lumifyy]

They did not cheap out with the plastic shell underneath, its for the sensor as the magnesium would mess with you sensor

[@korgy]

Totally, I'm aware of that. I don't think it changes the fact that it creaks constantly and whenever I set the mouse down, it feels like the bottom will fall out. Maybe it's just me? Thanks for stopping by!

[@michaelchoi5247]

I think you are nit picking it without putting into a valid reason for why it is made like that in the first place. It’s plastic at the bottom because of signal issues and that they tried to make it light as possible. There is no reason as to why you would be pressing down from the bottom anyways since you are not touching it 99% of the time.

[@lokey2544]

Hey, I am 15 years of age and have relatively normal sized hands. Do you think it would be better to get a small or medium size? I’m planning on getting the new one coming out in 2 days.

[@korgy]

Hey so I’ve been switching in between small and mediums and still can’t really decide myself. My speed and flicks are really good with the small mouse but it’s not very controlled and my aim is more shaky. My control and accuracy is really good with medium but I notice some difference in speed. In the end, medium is still my comfort pick and would be the safest option in my opinion. Unless you absolutely know you have a smaller mouse grip, I say get the medium. Hope that helps!

[@lokey2544]

@@korgy thanks so much! I’ll plan to get the medium because I think my hands wouldn’t fit the small anyways.

[@toz_man3904]

@@lokey2544 How’d it go? I just waited in line to get fucked by captcha lol

[@nickt338]

how did you manage to get 2? I'm planning to have multiple devices setup to try and get 2 mice, because it looks like the site had trouble loading, and crashed for several people. so maybe I could attempt to get one per device, instead of having both mice in my cart at one time.

[@nc33228]

Buy 1 and leave it, let everyone enjoy the phantom drop

[@XIXIGOD.444]

THANKS!

[@raulrivas5287]

Hello, i use the orochi v2 and im gonna pick the phantom one, what size is the better comparison to the orochi v2, small or medium?

[@korgy]

I think Medium will be better for you. Small is way too small. Medium will fill your palm more like Orochi V2 but Medium might be a little longer. Small has an AWESOME weight, but is not very comfortable, in my opinion. Hope this helps, good luck on the Phantom drop!

[@lime4]

If you like your orochi v2 then small is better. Better for fingertip. If you think your orochi might be small for you then medium is better.

[@YTCloverNA]

What’s the different between the mice is it just the color

[@YoureInMySpotFBPAGE]

How much did you pay for them

[@korgy]

Way too much 😢

[@aarongarcia1066]

try a 1-3-1 grip on the small, less control blah blah blah but makes it feel so much better

[@korgy]

Ahhhh! Feels so awkward lmao

[@skrillah6259]

131 has a feeling akin to rusty nails on chalkboard sorry not sorry

[@Moonwired]

Newsflash, people have different size hands, would have been nice to see a comparison to more general mice so I can estimate how well it would fit in “my hands”

[@div1798]

They explained that the bottom needed to be a different plastic called ULTEM which is very good for wireless connection. The magnesium doesn’t allow connection to go very well.

[@tsillie9555]

Are you ever gonna get into custom keyboards?

[@korgy]

I really want to actually! I just don’t know where to start and I already know that hobby is going to rob me blind lol

[@tsillie9555]

@@korgy Gotchu! Hamaji Neo (KZbinr)'s discord is a friendly environment that could put you in the right direction if you are interested.

[@hulee6095]

How do you like the Japanese omron in starlight?

[@korgy]

I LOVE the Japanese omrons in the Starlight, makes the mouse actually feel leagues better than the other mice I have. The only trouble is D2F01F switches have a taller button plunger which makes re-assembly very difficult, so I had to go with D2FF37 which feels sooooo good!!

[@hulee6095]

@@korgy from the video I couldn't really tell but does it sound and feels better? I'm assuming clicks are lighter with japanese omrons

[@korgy]

@@hulee6095 exactly you’re right. Doesn’t sound any better, I don’t really care about the click sound to be honest. To me what’s most important is the click feeling and how quickly and responsive the clicks are. With Japanese omrons they always feel so fast to respond and very comfortable to spam!

[@vTek678]

Can you review my glorious

[@emilsaru8007]

the bottem part is for the signal to come through

[@ih_manx]

Is it worth the resell price? 500$

[@korgy]

My final verdict: NO 😭

[@ih_manx]

@@korgy i already bought it for 600$ it will arrive in a week, i just cant wait for the phantom, i currently main the ul2

[@korgy]

RIP LOL I think you’re going to like it. Let me know if it was worth it for you.

[@ih_manx]

@@korgy owned it for a week now and i am in love everything about it is perfect i got the medium it fits my hands better than any mouse i have used, my scroll wheel is good too but not centered , the only issue i have is that the clicks are a bit heavy. i own all most every mouse and this is my main. used to main gpx/ul2

[@korgy]

You’re a mad lad!! Hope you enjoy it! I’m just about over the honeymoon period with this mouse and after all the modifications especially to the mouse switches, it’s still doing pretty well.

[@lnbabz]

Can you fingertip the medium with 19x10 hands? :)

[@korgy]

You could do it, that’s about my measurements actually.

[@lnbabz]

@@korgy Ok so would you still recommend medium for that hand size? And a fingertip grip?

[@korgy]

Ya, I finger tip my Medium kinda haha. Although small starlight might be best if your palm doesn’t touch the mouse at all, it’s almost totally a finger tip mouse. But the width is smaller too, you may cramp up like I mentioned. Also small is kinda fatiguing to hold when only finger tipping since you’re not resting any other part of your hand. I still recommend medium. I like it a lot.

[@lnbabz]

@@korgy Thank you Very much for the reply my dude!

[@verised]

Can you make a more wholesome video please?

[@korgy]

But this is a love story

[@verised]

@@korgy wholesome of deez nuts

[@pubgonly3098]

If I use razer viper mini rn ,Should I buy a small size ? I like small mouse

[@korgy]

I still suggest Medium. Viper Mini has a similar bump (or height) to Medium Starlight-12. Length-wise, small is close to Viper Mini. If you like the bump in Viper Mini, get the Medium. If you like the length, and smaller grip width, Small S-12 is good. I always recommend Medium though, it's still my personal favourite.

[@pubgonly3098]

@@korgy Is Small S12 smaller or larger than viper mini ?

[@korgy]

Small S12 feels much smaller to me than Viper Mini. The dimensions for Small S12 is on average 0.3 cm smaller everywhere (0.3 cm smaller in length, width and height). That means the nice hump on Viper Mini goes away when you pick up Small S12. Medium S12 is about 0.5 cm bigger everywhere. The great thing with Medium is that it’s still much lighter in weight than most mice, so even though it’s bigger it would still be lighter than even a Viper Mini. Either way, I still like my Finalmouse haha. Good luck!!

[@pubgonly3098]

@@korgy thanks

[@adamleonmunir830]

which one is most like the viper mini????

[@victorlee969]

small>medium

[@korgy]

I agree in terms of weight hahah! But actually I feel so quick on small but sometimes you need a little more control. Have to stay balanced.

[@xkambing]

Solving Mental issue than aim issue

[@korgy]

lmaoo this is so true