Find & Trust the Red Dot with Austin Proulx - Benefits & Tips with Red Dot Sights - Young Guns EP3

[@craighauser9437]

I've been chasing that little red dot for over a year now. With your thumbs to the target advise I finally have that little sucker in view when I bring it up every time now. Thank you.

[@Goldenwithaleash]

I was a late adopter to dots on pistols and it was frustrating at first. It took me months of dry firing 20 min a day to be able to get comfortable. What really sold me was when ran one in an advanced defensive pistol class and things got “dynamic”. Shooting 15 yards and beyond, moving while shooting, shooting a moving target, ability to threat focus, awkward positions, etc… that’s where the dot starts to really shine. That being said, I still think it’s a nice to have and not a must have for the average concealed carrier.

[@STHHCalebBrewster]

TMAC Has great instructions on finding the dot

[@dmanderson01]

Exactly when I saw “the light”.

[@Juan_Reyes_308]

Thank you Mr. Proulx, I am impressed with how much faster and accurate your method of gripping the gun is. Thank you Sir.

[@sturm1er007]

Great video and explanation man……. My agency is moving toward red dots and this video cleared up some minor questions that I didn’t know I had…… Thanks again

[@Snookynibbles]

A retired Delta operator hosting a great channel (hint, “Basic Dude Stuff”), waxed-on about a logical way to manage red dots. He suggested drawing the gun high & close to one’s eyesight, and then punching it straight forward at a slight upward cant, dropping the angle down onto the target. That will bring the dot into sight without having to hunt for it. Trigger manipulation achieves the surprise break by full extension. Once the dot is on target, it does not need to be centered in the field of view; centering it wastes time.

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Thanks but if the .2 millisecond difference gets me killed, so be it. I'm not an operator and I would definitely feel better knowing my dot is actually on my target!

[@jessegpresley]

A Delta operator who never fielded a pistol mounted optic giving pistol mounted optic advice... this guy knows more about red dot pistols than former action guys from the 80s/90s.

[@Snookynibbles]

@@private8559 Thanks for your feedback. Truth be told, the entirety of the shooting communities are nothing more than a loose collective of ideas from personal trial & error experience that work to varying degrees for various individuals. It's a take the best & leave the rest proposition. I have invested a good amount of dry practice with red dots, and it's apparent there are added challenges, particularly when shifting between different guns that also use different red dot systems. I like the method Patrick McNamara uses since it is an effective, sure-fire way to acquire the dot since the dot sweeps down into the field. Understand that I'm only canting the gun to a very shallow upward angle; to a bystander they would hardly perceive any tilt (moreover, a maximum downrange trajectory would require a substantial ~ 20 degree elevation above the horizon). Also, once the "pointing-in" presentation sequence begins, it all happens in the blink of an eye...potentially getting startled wouldn't seem to be my biggest priority...getting that dot on target fast trumps all else. Another method I've tried with very good results is to simply ignore the dot altogether by initiating an iron sight picture (using my backup sights, which I believe is essential when a red dot system is used). Invariably the dot will come into view to where its overwhelming brilliance immediately pulls my focal shift to it. And I don't worry if the dot isn't centered in the center of the field of view. I only care that it's on target which is when I'll take the shot.

[@KH-rt3ef]

That’s honestly one of the best draw techniques out there. Minus the surprise trigger break; indexing should be done against the frame, not the trigger guard, and emphasis should be put on deliberate trigger manipulations. The intent being to prevent a negligent discharge. If your natural point of aim is not good with the way you grip your gun, learn more ways to grip your gun. You will probably end up with a hybridized style that works well for you, and your dot will be easier to find.

[@jw5297]

​@@jessegpresleyWell I'm pretty sure MAC has more than enough qualifications to speak to irons and RDS all day everyday, the guy is about as knowledgeable as anyone running a gun can be and he actually did it when it mattered, and therefore more qualified than guys who are competitive shooters. Paper targets don't shoot back and the stressors of gun fighting is a real thing and range shooting is just practicing.

[@Hawk-ODA212]

Awesome video. I have transitioned most of my inventory to red dot sights due to age related deterioration of eyesight. Makes a world of difference.

[@brianb3628]

Great content! I really appreciate your videos.

[@RatelLaw]

Thank you for sharing your expertise

[@rogerwatson4221]

Taking a course this weekend on the red dot & tactical shooting

[@jimd8008]

Thanks again!

[@Yoda052]

Practice… it’s always the bottom line. Hit the range and don’t forget to VOTE !!

[@Felenari]

Speak wise words you do... Mhmm...

[@johnnyh3653]

@@Felenari 😂😂😂😂

[@killingfield]

Great concept with the thumb pointing to the target, thanks! Unrelated question: I am thinking of AIWB carry and was originally looking at the SIG P365 family and Taurus GX4 TORO. I recently learned about both manufacturers having lawsuits filed against them for models shooting without a trigger pull. While it wasn't the same models I mentioned that did this, what are your thoughts about which manufactures' platforms are trustworthy enough to place in an area of such vulnerability? Is there/should there be a question of ethics in supporting the platforms of SS/T as both companies have dodged responsibility to those that were injured or to families that lost a loved one due to the alleged malfunctions?

[@Yoda052]

My aging eyes have made me more to red dots… Have a Sig SAO 226 and a 19 MOS both with a 2.5 DPP. My range blaster is a 929 with an SRO. Love my red dots, almost like cheating. Need to get one for my EDC..maybe a RMRcc for my 43x?

[@kmiller0402]

You know 10x more than I do about this shit. I’m just an average EDC dude with no flashlight or red dot from Michigan. With my IWB holster, it just seems like 2 things that would get snagged on my shirt….❤

[@jessegpresley]

You are stronger than your shirt.

[@KH-rt3ef]

Why do we all need to know what state you’re from? Lol

[@arlissyoung8899]

Kyle Miller The flashlight bandwagon is just that, all it takes is one person and a video and it's the super cool thing to do. Unless a person is LE or really out at night a lot there's no need. Many do it for the added weight to help control recoil, and it does help a little. Now days every handgun review has a flashlight just about. Why because it's the bandwagon, everyone wants to be a super cool. As for me I have one on my nightstand handgun. Again I am not out on the town at night so for me no need at all.

[@onlyGodcanfixtheUSA]

@@KH-rt3ef Because we are not ALL blue here.

[@joebob617]

Been shooting a pistol for about 3 years, hit the range about once a week - you might call me "intermediate". I just started shooting a Walther PDP with a red dot - this video was definitely helpful. But I have a question for Justin that's maybe a little off-topic. I noticed that his grip looks a little different from most shooters I've seen (online and in person). Specifically: 1) The index finger of his support hand seems to be wrapped around the "45-degree" bend in the front of the trigger guard - almost a Mas Ayoob "wedge hold". 2) His support thumb is pointing right at the target (as he said in the video), right along the slide - and his wrist is rolled forward and "locked" as you often hear people say you should do. But more interesting (to me) is that the thumb joint and part of the thenar ("meat") of his support hand looks to be really high on the slide. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - on the contrary. I'd love to hear Jason talk about these aspects of his grip (and grip in general). AND - it might be interesting to have Mike Seeklander weigh in too (so we get both Young Guns at the same time) - I've found Mike's videos on grip to be very helpful.

[@joebob617]

Oh DUH - they did discuss their grips as part of a WC video (starts at 11:00) posted about 6 months ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6OlYphpppikhqM.

[@Harpring04]

Very good vid sir

[@mauromazzorana3303]

Good video interesting

[@c.edwardbrice3470]

I don’t know man I just got one and I can’t even find the dam dot consistently rendering it somewhat useless for edc. It these tips are great and hopefully they will help.

[@JimSmithInChiapas]

Very helpful video from a great channel, but I'd be ashamed to have prospective first-time gun-owners read the comment section. Seeing the personal insults being hurled between proponents of the different sides of the red-dot question does little to convince anyone that we pro-carry folks are level-headed individuals who can be trusted when we have a lethal weapon literally at our fingertips.

[@JackLyons00]

Agree. Yet I see the same kind of crap throughout other of these type of videos. Use to think it was just the younger generation but I dunno. Kinda embarrassing to be honest.

[@geofftimm2291]

If shooting multiple pistols, should you use the same model RDS on multiple guns for standardization of hold and view?

[@jessegpresley]

why are you shooting multiple pistols? did you need the same iron sights on your rifles, shotguns and pistols?

[@geofftimm2291]

@@jessegpresley Competing in different disciplines with similar firearms. Back up competition guns, a compact carry gun, and a full size competition gun...the list could go on.

[@KH-rt3ef]

Or train consistency; operate the same controls across different platforms. Red dots don’t do a ton of super different things like guns themselves might; the red dot footprint on the gun itself may dictate which optic you can use… Otherwise, I’d personally just stick with the hardiest optic that has convenient battery access, that I can co-witness with my iron sights (if I can’t see my irons, I don’t even want it); ie, if I customized all my slides, I’d personally customize them for the same optic. And not a fad optic with design flaws that will be engineered out, because then I’d have a scuffed up slide with nothing to put on it. A sound optic with good engineering, that will withstand trends and time. Hopefully those considerations help.

[@geofftimm2291]

I have had cataract surgery with implanted lenses and an astigmatism. I have 5 different RDS on two long guns and two pistols. I don't have enough range time yet to really appreciate the pistol units. Practice, practice and practice.

[@onpsxmember]

If you can, keep the mounting height somewhat consistent. If it varies dramatically it'll take some time to adjust to compete on the same level. If you have let's say a low mounted rds without a plate like a milled Glock derivative and then switch to a Beretta adding a plate, a rds with a large body and the usual height over bore of the 92 series, you'll have to move it differently to your line of sight.

[@cjbecker1683]

Anyone here use the backplate shooting concept at all? I'm wondering if that's a good spot to start when working to transition to going with a dot? It seems so much comes down to our natural point of aim & to keep practicing on that......

[@deatz8997]

What is your holster setup?

[@deepb249]

Which red dot is best for people with astigmatism

[@unclemike5840]

Howdy !

[@BBQDad463]

Thank you for this video. Clearly, I need a red dot. Oh, and a laser. Again, thank you for this video.

[@Out_of_The_Furnace_2013Film]

I will stick to my glocks 17 gen 3

[@captainamericaamerica8090]

Training

[@OFB307]

Did you zero the dot for 25 or 10yrds or something in between?

[@True_Patriotx]

If you do 10 yards and zero it 1/2” high at 10 yards that would be a 25 yard zero. Zero at 10 verify at 25.

[@greg9076]

True patriot: If you are zeroed at 10 yards, your 25 yard impact is going to be .7 inch high. Cheers.

[@gdeluisi613]

Holster ❓

[@slicvm]

Beautiful handgun minus that flashlight.

[@RoadTraveler]

Bump

[@KD-lb9bg]

There are no advantages when your iron sights are crystal clear and any red dot 🔴 is nothing more than an explosive starburst 🌟.

[@jessegpresley]

Red dots allow for target focused shooting, even iron sights should be in soft focus with irons, not "crystal clear".

[@KD-lb9bg]

Blah, blah, blah. Ok, fanboy. I guess you’ve never heard of different planes of Focus, but I think that even you can understand my point.

[@KD-lb9bg]

@@jessegpresleyMight want to look up astigmatism in relation to your be all, end all red dot sights.

[@seanroberts381]

​@@KD-lb9bgexactly. My green dot helps and I'm told the gold is nice for Astigmatism as well.

[@jstpsgthru]

I thought the advantage to red dots was off angle shooting. I've seen an instructor fail pretty badly, with a red dot, in indoor IDPA.

[@subwoofer6726]

That's on the instructor, not the dot.

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Practice

[@granitejeepc3651]

Red dots are nice for open carry but bad for concealed as it extra thing to hook on.. Ill stick with Crimson Trace green laser for carry as it allows any light. any angle. and dont need to bring gun up to sight level to get shot off...in your case doing leo stuff and gamesmanship that does work

[@flipfinish]

Finding the dot with a two handed draw on flat ground with no incoming fire is easy. Now try and do it one handed, under stress, while in a fight…yea, right.

[@jessegpresley]

red dots have been fielded on pistols by CAG operators for years already. you're a decade behind the times.

[@flipfinish]

@@donovanchilton5817 I have red dots on many of my pistols (none of them 1911’s) so your insult is uneducated (also Im 44). What I have found after thousands of rounds is just what I said. One handed, laying on the ground for instance, it is very difficult to find the dot, and the smaller the dot like my 407k on my G43x (primary carry gun), the harder it is still. I love red dots, especially with my astigmatism, and they are faster and more accurate when standing and using two hands. But I cannot guarantee I will be able to use my gun in that manner during an attack. So it is a real concern for me.

[@YELLTELL]

C'MON MAN U R CHEATING! SIGS SHOOT ALL ON THEIR OWN!!

[@subwoofer6726]

I love that the internet is still running with that hyperbolic claim. The whole issue has be debunked as cherry picked and dubious testimonies that have not been replicated.

[@YELLTELL]

@@subwoofer6726 YOU ARE A FCKN BLAST AT PARTIES!!!!!!

[@KH-rt3ef]

Some departments who have adopted them and carry them for a living have had issues with this recently, as well. Let’s not get complacent, now.

[@JackLyons00]

​@@KH-rt3ef Been debunked. Only issue was the drop issue, everything else involved something pulling the trigger. But hey, believe what you want to believe.

[@riverflyswatter]

Environmental social governance Look it up snd share

[@geralddeas2303]

Dot can and will disappear in bright sunlight

[@YELLTELL]

What's your point that's why u have irons. They are 2 different sighting systems that both work

[@Coffee1776]

Unless you turn the brightness all the way up. Just gotta remember to adjust the dot brightness as the light levels change.

[@geralddeas2303]

@@YELLTELL my point exactly ! you need back up sights...

[@geralddeas2303]

@@Coffee1776 try it... I have bright sunlight is exactly whty you need to co-wittness...

[@cleetismcdougall5425]

Some older inexpensive red dots may disappear in bright sunlight. I’ve not had a problem with newer mid/high range priced. Some even automatically adjust. Even some inexpensive holosuns work great in bright sunlight. Many Vortex are fine too. Probably stay away from $20 Amazon or eBay optics.