Finding Moses with Dr. Bart Ehrman

[@HiveSci]

Maybe the real Moses is the friends we made along the way?

[@bengreen171]

if it turns out he's been back at the coral reef all along, I'll be most disappointed.

[@KreeTerry]

Under rated comment 😂

[@tophers3756]

Maybe the real Moses are the laws we made along the way.

[@martinportelance138]

Ha ha ha 👍

[@destronger5313]

orange hair looks awesome megan!

[@onbedoeldekut1515]

What I find most hard to come to terms with are the differences in historical Egyptian borders and those referred to in the bible. 'Egypt' considered the whole of what we call Israel to be part of Egypt, so the whole reed/red sea shebang going out of Egypt doesn't sit right with me. There were numerous outposts/forts all around the provinces of Egypt to largely ensure goods and wealth made its way back to wherever the treasury was for the reigning Pharoah, and a ragtag tribe of malcontents wouldn't have gone unnoticed by ranging scouting parties OVER FORTY YEARS?!!! Large swathes of the bible feel like they were written JUST to corroborate or embellish narratives and histories that specific writers wanted to insert into the local historical record, which makes distinguishing the lies from reality a hard task.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

Not just Scots but what about the Hundreds of Trade Caravans that regularly crossed these lands for over 1,000 years? Not one mention of a band of "Nomads" following "pillars of smoke" by day and "pillars of fire" by night anywhere, from anyone! One would think that the pillars of smoke and fire alone would be noted from a safety consideration or navigational purpose for Travelers.

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@Cheryllyle]

I signed up and really looking forward to it. I follow Dr. Ehrman's work closely.

[@Chuck-Morgan]

Short and sweet, excellent interview and interviewer .

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@pinball1970]

This is a treat, two in one day!

[@johncullen9436]

I like to use the term Mosology. (I think I'm making Mosology up. I don't recall anyone else every using it.) You know, like Christology. The description of Jesus giving the Beatitudes in Matthew's Gospel is a Mosaic Christology. Jesus is the new lawgiver, the new Moses. The birth narrative of Moses is a Sargonic Mosology. The Jewish authors (not the Hebrew or Israelite nor an oral tradition) took whole cloth with some editorial desecration the birth narrative of Sargon and applied it to Moses in order to explain internally and externally who Moses was; "OK guys, it's like this; Moses is to us like Sargon is to them (internally) / you (externally). He's a guy of humble birth (kind of, possibly, maybe), chosen by Yahweh (or beloved of Ishtar, take your pick), who rose up to become the leader of his people and establish them as a nation." That's the way it seems to me.

[@scienceexplains302]

I would start with Richard Friedman, not because he is necessarily best, but because he is most nuanced and takes various ideas into account, and almost always in a logical way. He does seem a bit too tied to his religion, but overall he doesn’t let it ruin his scholarship.

[@BigZebraCom]

i found Moses. He was hiding under the couch cushions, along with some loose change.

[@LeeMartins-rz6sq]

There is a Sumerian legend of a princess being put in a basket ,and floated down the river.There is also a story of a pharoah, who believed in one god only, was chased out of Egypt, with his followers, who then crossed the reed sea to escape. New translations now claim that the red sea was mistranslated from reed to red sea

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

They were together all along?!

[@carstenmanz302]

Well, the thing with Judaism must have started at some point. It is quite possible that someone had traveled a lot in Canaan and Egypt, got to know various regional religious cults, deities and metaphysical knowledge and came to the inspiring conclusion that ultimately there could only be one (high) God? The story with the Midianite priest Jethro and his mountain (volcano) deity also fits in with this. His daughter married Moses' brother, the scribe(!) and later priest Aaron. The prophets also say that YHWH came from Midan! And the fact that all of the forefathers stayed in Egypt for a while or supposedly lived there for (only) four generations since Joseph, which shows that it could at most have been a smaller family clan of exiles. It is certainly not a coincidence or purely literary fiction that the emergence of Judaism is closely linked to Egypt and the neighboring Midan. At the very least, it is a clear indication of certain Egyptian and Midinate influences that contributed to the development or "revelation" of the YHWH God/cult. No religion arises in a cultural-spiritual vacuum, and almost all religions/religion founders refer to a divine "chosenness", which is also transferred to the respective tribal associations or peoples/nations, a "holy covenant". Since, according to the biblical apostles, Jesus also occasionally refers to Abraham, Moses, the forefathers and prophets, one can assume that there was at least a true core of the traditional legends. So Jesus (of all people) would be the only real, existing "key witness" who confirmed a certain authenticity of Judaism?!

[@kairchefamp6059]

Senenmut was the Historical Moses. He was a Hyksos who was found by Hapsetshut when he was a baby. It sounds like the Baby was given to Hapsetshut and became her Visor. He supposedly killed an overseer and fled into the desert never to be seen again.

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@blingcicero6570]

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[@krishnaabreakingnews]

Krishna too , crosses a river in a basket as a little baby and was found on the other side by the local villagers

[@nizamm4908]

sources please.

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@krishnaabreakingnews]

@@nizamm4908 SHRIMAD BHAGAVATAM aka BHAGAVAT PURANA

[@ShunM-vr6mt]

Heyyyyy, Hindu here. That story was written in the 6th century CE...

[@martinportelance138]

A "massacre of the innocents" is also quite commonplace in ancient myths, as is the Flood.

[@djparn007]

💖💖💖

[@Canaanitebabyeater]

Can someone explain the Menorah found at mount Sinai in arabia? I know the whole thing has plenty of issue but there has to be some historic answer for proto-Hebrew inscriptions being found there. I know th hebrews were a Canaanite group but this is just a tad condusing. Any help would be appreciated.

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@1FATBOY114]

8:27, "Are there any extra Biblical sources talking about Moses?" Yes, The Book of Jasher; it is very good and answers a lot of questions that the Bible leaves you with.

[@alexisricky2]

Lmbo 😂😂😂 the book of Jasher was part of the Bible so not an outside sources

[@bengreen171]

so... not a Disney prequel then?

[@martynblackburn9632]

Moses: Akhenaton.

[@martinportelance138]

I. Finkelstein thinks close enough... He postulated that Moses may have been an ousted priest of Akhenaten, once his reign was over and his legacy overturned.... Or was it Freud?

[@Augfordpdoggie]

Moses...Malone

[@Dr.Bitterbrains333]

Ahkanaten was the mythical Moses

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@robertgotschall1246]

Personally, I don't think we know anything more about Moses than we do about Robin Hood. But I think what the authors of the Bible were trying to say in their own vernacular is important. Good Luck.

[@kidslovesatan34]

Slavery was so bad that they needed to escape to escape Egypt. Elsewhere in the text it describes how to treat, and where to buy, ones slaves.

[@martinportelance138]

Both are composite characters, IMO.

[@elkeism]

Ramses was not the pharaoh of the exodus: his name is only applied to the locale (city of Ramses) it is anachronistic: so that the forgotten name of the city wouldn't be grounds for dismissal. Akhenaten was the pharaoh, he is known to be monotheistic, supposedly he just decided the "old Egyptian way" was best. (probably a smoke screen, meaning his conversion was due to Moses' victory, versus some older Egyptian creed) The 10 plagues can be computer modeled from the great Santorini eruption, most notably the fire mixed with hail and the killing of the 1st born due to low lying toxic gas released from the seismic activity, The first born customarily sleep on the ground floor in low lying cots. This kind of disaster has since happened at lake Nyos. This pushes the timeline earlier, negating archeological objections.

[@martinportelance138]

There are currently theories about 'Moses' being an ousted priest of Akhenaten after his reign. Among Moses' followers would then be the Levi tribe, which uses traditional Egyptian names more than the others Hebraic tribes. The Santorini eruption is much too early for a biblical event... The Bronze Age Collapse is much more plausible as an event which influenced the Torah.

[@elkeism]

@@martinportelance138 "The Santorini eruption is much too early for a biblical event... I disagree, you are adhering to the conventional timeline, though plausible, the plagues definitely correlate to a major or minor cataclysm: maybe an eruption after Santorini happened which may align with your stance.

[@elkeism]

@@martinportelance138 It's also possible Akhenaten was a convert AFTER Moses' defeat of the Egyptians, I believe Akhenaten was the regional bully who became contrite and sought weapons and chariots from neighboring countries indicating a major defeat but I need to confirm FWIW

[@martinportelance138]

@@elkeism The problem with that theory, are the Amarna letters, written during Akhenaten's reign, part of his correspondance with the petty kings of Canaan, including Jerusalem's. No where in them is there mention of an invincible horde of magical Hebrew bodysnatchers, replacing the Canaanites from river to sea. The first mention of Hebrews, as 'Israel', would come from Merneptah, a century afterwards, as a nomadic tribe he defeated on the way.

[@martinportelance138]

@@elkeism I do adhere to the 'conventional' timeline, yes.

[@beastshawnee]

The actual history of the towns and lands in the regions is very interesting but all the fairy tale myths need to be seen only as seriously as the people themselves took them. Like all people around the world-they mainly needed myth and god(s) when it served their purposes. Day to day not so much…during a drought and starvation, when harried and hassled-it’s “dear gods save us!” And so it’s perpetually useful for narcissistic priests and prophets…

[@Darisiabgal7573]

The story in the torah is an interweeving of different traditions. The story that existed in the 11th 10th century BC we dont have. Important parts of the story are missing and second temple Jews simply interpolated lots of stuff, like laws.

[@jamesSwhite]

Nicely put @beastshawnee. 100% agree 👍

[@davidsparks6146]

You really have to study Egypt and put the real history in focus. There certainly were semitic tribes in Egypt ... and they filtered out bit by bit. No mass exodus as described in the Hebrew Bible. No Slavery ... (unless you count the ones the Jews had) ... The early Jews were in fact Egyptians! They split off with their own religion sometime after Akhenaten's reign. Moses never existed. Campfire lore makes for powerful memories in children ... explaining to your little ones that you were rejected instead of leaving on mass as a bold new tribe, would be hard to say.

[@fordprefect5304]

The early Hebrew/Israelites were Canaanites. There is plenty of archeological evidence.They never were in Egypt. With one exception when King Merneptah took prisoners back to Egypt after his campaign in Canaan (1207BCE)

[@martinportelance138]

Hebrews were Shasus (marginal nomadic herders and brigands) living in the hills. After Akhenaten, they developped their own culture as Hebrews, remarkable among other Canaanite tribes by the lack of pork remains in their archeology. They were first described as a separate entity on Merneptah's stele, around 1250 BC. Then, 75 years later, civilisation crumble. Raiders, 'sea people' then scourge the Levant's coastal areas after a series of catastrophes over three generations: People then flee the coastal areas for the safety of the hills, and soon, "Israel" becomes a local power, with Saul being their first king near 950 BC.

[@Augfordpdoggie]

I like how rhrman laughs at stuff thats unfunny

[@sheldonspider86]

Moses was an Egyptian who helped enslaved semites by smuggling small bands of them out of Egypt over many years. He died in the desert during one such operation. These groups later venerated him and claimed him as their own by creating the river/baby basket narrative. Moses actual political status within Egypt (if any) and why he chose to assist the semites is unknown.

[@erik_verastegui]

@@mil401 "It was revealed to me in a dream"

[@nizamm4908]

lol. you should write a movie script "Moses's list". Make sure the movie is in black and white with exception of one little girl in red dress.

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@krishnaabreakingnews]

The story of Moses is a plagiarized and tweaked version of Ramayana.

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@krishnaabreakingnews]

@@DJ_A.K_GOLD to my understanding it is very simple. Everything that's in the Bible is ridiculous. That's exactly what the Abrahamic scribes did. They take stories from ancient civilization and make them even more unbelievable.

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

@@krishnaabreakingnews Ok , you can see it by yourself , that the story of the Birth of Sargon , is a Neo Assyrian text ... Read my first comment again ... Old civilizations used to add stuff , even millennia after .... Same goes for the 42 confessions of Mahat , you know don't steal don't kill etc etc , where it was understood that those Confessions where added in the Egyptian book of the Death in the year 1250 BC , and the story of the exodus and the 2 tablets with the 10 commandments date to 1456 BC according to the Toarh , so who copied who ... Saying ridiculous on something , without having complete knowledge is unnecessary

[@krishnaabreakingnews]

@@DJ_A.K_GOLD How can old civilization add stuff to their original stories millenia after ?? It must be the newer civilizations who did that. Simple as. Ancient Sumerians are the oldest. The jews came after. The problem is the newly invented Abrahamic religions like to ridicule ancient civilizations that predate them for millenia as pagans and at the same time like stealing their ancient stories and claiming them as their own.

[@martinportelance138]

@@krishnaabreakingnews The Pentateuch is pure myth, taken from all civilisations 6th century Jewish scribes and scholars came in contact with, during the Babylonian detention of their elites, when the traditional bible was assembled. So when it talks about that particular era, the bible can effectively be used as a reliable historical complement, if with caution.

[@dougnelson9814]

Havent heard anything convincing from bart, highly speculative. title of video grossly misleading click bait.

[@Ken_Scaletta]

The name Moses being Egyptian means absolutely nothing. Egypt occupied and controlled Canaan for hundreds of years, including during the alleged period of the Exodus. Egypt had their own governors in place who they called "princes." "I think it's possible "Moses" might have been a general term for these Egyptian "princes," but even if that's wrong we would expect to see Egyptian names and Egyptian cultural influence on Canaan during this period. We still even have the remains of some of their palaces. Egypt was once the Rome of the world and they occupied Canaan just like Rome did. They had Egyptian governors just like Rome did. Bondage in Egypt" doesn't have to mean literally in Egypt. There are theories that the Exodus may have a social revolt within Canaan itself. Moses in the bull rushes is a mythological trope usually intended to imbue a person of seemingly low social status with secretly royal origins (Sargon, King Arthur), but in Exodus it seems like an attempt to turn an originally Egyptian hero into a secretly Israelite one.

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@williambeckett6336]

Ridiculous position: There was no Abraham, there was no Isaac, there was no Jacob, There was no Moses but there was DEFITINELY a Jesus? Special plead much Bart? I'd love to get a look at Erhman's contract/tenure agreement. I'm betting if he ever even suggests Jesus never existed either it is grounds for immediate termination from his college (and a blackballing of his career) I'd bet real money on it.

[@aphairas]

His insistence on the existence of an actual Jesus is annoying and, frankly, disingenuous. I came here because I saw one of their videos on tik tok, and was disappointed to see Bert all over the page.

[@stevenpirog]

While maybe not explicit to this point, the exchange at 8:15 seems pretty reasoned as to why- there are no external sources for Moses/Abraham. While the information about Jesus from external sources is pretty limited, it still seems far better than nothing.

[@onikin]

That you seem to believe Jesus definitely does not exist (from your equal 50 years of historical scholarship?) is the laughable position here. He's written dozens of books explaining his evidence and thoughts. Pick one up first.

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans

[@yohei72]

What do you think “special pleading” means? It doesn’t mean “holding different positions on two different questions.” Is it hypocritical to say Robin Hood didn’t exist but Jesse James did? Your little bit about his contract is nothing but wild speculation with no evidence. It doesn’t even make much sense. What would be the motive for a respected higher learning institution to impose such a specific limitation while letting Ehrman go around debunking a whole bunch of other Biblical claims? Why would Ehrman agree to such a limitation and defend the position so continually and firmly when he’s well known enough to get a job lots of places? Do all the other scholars who hold the same position (most of them) have similar clauses? EDIT: It occurs to me now that since UNC is a public university, it’s probably illegal for them to impose such a condition on a scholar, on free expression grounds. You sound nearly as unreasoning and conspiratorially minded as the fundies who yell at him for not being a literalist.

[@WerIstWieJesus]

Dr. Ehrman doesn't understand moses in Matthew. Matthew dipicts Jesus as the true moses, and the law of Jesus as the true law. Matthew doesn't propagate the fictive moses, but Jesus opposes the moses of the jews. "Your moses has told, but I say. In your law you read, but in reality..."

[@DJ_A.K_GOLD]

The ones who wrote about the Sumerians , were the Assyrians and Babylonians , who were the direct descendants of those Sumerians , and they knew how to write their ancestors language ... Those nations never left their ancestors faith , but the difference happened when in the year 722 bc , the Assyrians added stories to their faith , copied directly from the Torah , and today it looks like if the Israelites have copied from the so called advanced Sumerians , which the 2 Creation stories sound similar , but the Annunaki story is exaggerated with Paganism and the Babylonian system and ways of life ...... Followers of certain beliefs , have always added stuff on their own belief or religion , just like the believers of Sargon of Akkad did , where this same person lived a thousand years before Moses , but was discovered that his birth story which is similar to the one of Moses , was in fact just written down by Neo Assyrians in the Seventh Century bc , which those texts were found and verified to be really from the Seventh century BC , meaning nothing else was found before that , meaning that this text comes 800 years after Moses , so who copied who ? Stories were added later in times , which today may confuse humanity , on who is the original text , and quite frankly , the Sumerians and Babylonian stories have Succeeded very nicely , in deceiving Humans