Finding the best liveaboard Cat...HH50 anyone?

[@macrac100]

Heidi and Franny brought me here! Subscribed!

[@HeidiandFranny]

Awesome. You will very much enjoy this channel.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Steve and Judy, it was lovely being invited on the HH because you two have such an awesome KZbin channel. We loved discussing our plans with you and value your opinions. We really enjoyed spending time with you both and learned a lot about Sailing, KZbin, and adventures. Thanks for the friendship and this lovely video of our journey. Heidi 💕

[@PatsGarageOnline]

Heidi and Franny are dear friends from automotive KZbin. I'm so glad they have friends like you two in sailing. I got to visit them on their FP yesterday and am so very excited to see their new content.

[@svfairisle]

We are very much looking forward to catching up with them again, and of course watching their videos!

[@dc1544]

I watch so many sailing channels and 1 thing to know about the HH cats is they sail in very low wind. its easy to depower the boat. the advantage is if a huge storm is coming and you have to move fast you can move up to 20 knots but most would depower to 14 knots. On a hh50 14 knots is like 8 knots on a lagoon or another boat not made for speed. Also upwind sailing at 29 degrees is huge. Right now HH is the choice cat to buy. I seen the hh50 sail 4.5 knots in 6 knots of wind. Yes sail not motor sailing. I also seen it go 8-10 knots upwind at 29 degree with 12-14 knots of wind. Now the new ones have hybrid diesel motors and over 4k of solar so no more propane.

[@My_You_Tube]

Amen DC! I always find it funny that people that never owned a Cat give opinion on things they know vey little about.

[@theundergroundlairofthesqu9261]

Just this weekend, I was at the memorial service for a friend of mine whose wife got seasick. He loved sailing and their honeymoon was a large rental catamaran, touring the Grenadines. They were trying to escape a hurricane and to get into a safe harbor, had to fight 7 foot waves for about an hour/5 miles. She didn't even noticed any seasickness as she womaned the helm for that and he ran around taking care of all of the emergencies.

[@TheSailingFamily]

Thanks for stopping by guys! Good luck in the search. Hopefully we can show you our new HH44 to compare to the Vision 44 soon enough!

[@svfairisle]

Thanks for showing us around Seth. I have to say that the more I learn about the HH the more I like them, even though I’m a monohull guy through & through. We actually have friends here in Montenegro that are cruising an HH50 so we’re going to get the low down from them this week on what it’s like to live on. I think I might be eating my words saying it’s not really a cruising boat! Looking forward to seeing a 44 in the flesh.

[@TheSailingFamily]

@@svfairisle Good to hear! Don't forget we also sell the Ocean Cruising version of the boat you toured, which is designed to be less of a racer and more of a cruiser (no hull flying in that model!). If you liked the quality you saw but don't need all the carbon fiber, that OC boat is one to check out. Same with the HH44! Good luck!

[@hieroglyph321]

Oh cool .... great to see these two embarking on new adventures ... was concerned when their car channel went quiet. Cool ! I love catamarans too!

[@kimvanderlaan3736]

The Wynns chose this Cat. Loved seeing Seth from The sailing family. I miss that channel.

[@piepirate4u]

Hey, the HH guy… that’s Seth from Honeymoon and The Sailing Family channel.

[@danknox9986]

I’m a big Heidi and Franny fan. I’m going to miss their car videos. Especially their 356 Eva.

[@anniewilkes6011]

Heidi and Franny brought me here❤️

[@svfairisle]

Love those girls!

[@constantineding8700]

The HH is so perfect a boat! Everything on it is so beautiful except the price tag...

[@fraserwright9482]

A Catamaran in Europe is an odd thing as moring is a daily occurrence, you can hop off every day if you want to. It's more of an entertainment area. But in the Pacific I found most people opted for a Cat so it will be interesting seeing how you guys find Ocean living. I actually like the 4 bed, 2 bathroom and communal central area these offer with friends and family.

[@frankstocker5475]

HH, any day. Such value for the price.

[@larssolem2507]

I have had two FP's but if I was rich an HH would be fantastic, I have lifted a full during racing( not on my FP's) and it is excilliarating to control the boat when you do. Love the Saona though as a really good cruising boat. The only issue I have axperienced with cats built in the last 20 years is the lack of quality qorkmanship, squiking and acking seams to be the sound you hear in a seaway, however not when you go from the production cats to the expensive ones! Tabbing all bulkheads and interior funiture is what makes for a solid and quiet boat under way. Our older FP's was like that that. The newer FP's are not" Like all the other charter boat production yachts, buy an older one and have fun.

[@svfairisle]

Good advice i think, sadly true of many modern monohulls as well

[@andrewfawcett-harper588]

Some yacht, but I would and continue to look for a mono- hull as it would be better for my needs. There are about four cats. at my local yacht club now, they are all stern to and moored on the eastuary, tide in ,tide out, dry then wet. shallow draft a definite advantage, NO large fee's for being hauled in and stored on the hard, then put back in in the spring.

[@PeterAcrat]

Love the Vision 444✨

[@maldwindrummond6158]

I think I heard you say dryers in all in one units don’t work, and I agree if they are not ventilated. I have now switched out Splendide non vented units for Splendide vented washer/dryers on 2 boats, and in both cases have been very satisfied with the vented ones. Best, Maldwin Drummond

[@svfairisle]

Yes agreed, sorry if that wasn't clear, it was just a passing comment, but it's condenser dryers that I think don't work well.

[@SoundzAlive1]

I have had many boats and two cats. Both cats are FP a Lavezzi 40 and currently own a Mahe 36. They are well built and will last. Franny is dead right about FP making bad choices in the new models. Congrats with the choice of a Saona 47. André in Sydney

[@machiavellian7490]

I had a Persian cat 🐈 wen I was young and I can recommend this type of mog

[@jamielancaster01]

3:21 Hey there is Seth! Too bad you could’ve bought his Outremer 51 Archer!

[@barrymccrae7242]

At 8.15 interesting to see that corrosion was already appearing on the deck hatch hinge and fittings.

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

Take a look at the Windelo cats.. novel construction materials Basalt, performance and space and Green construction, power options.. For two ladies looking for maximum space look at the Broadblue Rapier 550 for a really space and radical design. Carbon fiber is expensive and energetically a disaster it also can cause corrosion problems as well as conducting electricity.

[@simonhantler8062]

i think the HH is a great cat, speed if you want it and the ability to sail instead of motor in light winds. speed is safety on a long passage, gets you out of bad weather more. sail it conservatively is the answer if youre intimidated by it, you have the option. if you do your homework they arent much more expensive than the slow, heavy, poorly built production cat, they should be twice the price but they arent.

[@dennismacdonald2003]

Love your channel, keep up the great work, what's your take on a neel 46 trimiran? CHEERS FROM snowy Squamish BC Canada

[@svfairisle]

I’d love to have a sail on one. I think if you wanted to go down the performance line then a big trimaran might be a good option. If I were in Squamish though I’d be too busy waxing my skis to worry about it!

[@chriszanf]

Seth from The Sailing Family is quite the salesman!

[@DavidJ1111]

Ouï😅😅😮

[@TheSailingFamily]

Thanks! Just passionate. It's easy to sell something you are proud of! :)

[@chuckduzzie8529]

Welcome back. 😁

[@axa2wa]

Jason & Nikki, from Gone With The Wynns, have in their most recent episodes featuring Ticket to Ride, underlined why their choice of a HH as a cruising cat is an excellent choice. I'd have to agree with them.

[@svfairisle]

it's a great boat no doubt , I'll be interested to see what they think over time. Like everything it's a compromise. The lovely 'champagne sailing' in 10 knots of breeze is a great thing but it's not necessarily a relaxing way to sail... if that breeze picks up just a bit then they will have to jump to action to do something. If a proper blast comes out of nowhere then it's all hands on deck to stop yourself getting in big trouble. Personally for me if I wanted a cat to blast around on holidays and weekends it would be great, to cruise full time? well I'd need some convincing.

[@BohemianBeatster]

Groovy video

[@ArnoldWinters]

What do you do with the boat during hurricane season?

[@svfairisle]

We're in the Med. right now so no hurricane's, but crossing at the end of the year so it will be an issue from then for sure.

[@bodywood]

If you have the money I guess you can buy what you want but.... these boats are super technical and Sailing itself is pretty darn challenging. Not sure how much boat time they have but I can't help thinking that the HH would be going all in from nothing. They seem quite capable people but I think they are better off going for something more manageable as they have done.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Oh yeah. We were in no way even able to afford the HH or sail it. You have that correct. Heidi

[@antonynr]

Was I the only one expecting a discussion about the best breed of feline to sail with?!! 😹

[@laelgatewood3899]

Absolutely, or to board with!

[@chaddy65]

Is that the fellow from Sailing Family?

[@svfairisle]

Yes that’s Seth, he is now the president of HH

[@bertmacdonald337]

Too much focus on the "performance" aspect, they do make great liveaboards for cruising couples as Ticket To Ride ably demonstrate.

[@garysmeltzer1933]

What are the pros and cons between a cat and a Mono hull

[@svfairisle]

Well that’s too long an answer for here!

[@dc1544]

Go sail on a HH55, 50 or 44 and it could change your mind about sailing a cat.

[@svsund]

No discussions about the two stability modes , = ie ultimate safety???

[@geniexmay562]

Not just a racing cat!! LOL! I think ghosting in light airs is one of the best abilities of such a cat!

[@dwaindibly945]

I was the second person to like this 😂😂😂😂

[@MultiCareka]

have you sailed a cat. for some time. ?

[@svfairisle]

Heidi & Franny have sailed many different cats, the only cat I've ever sailed was my fathers over the last 25 years that he owned it. As we say in the film, not experts on cats.

[@pirateat40]

Assume this channel will never endorse a catamaran as a world cruising sailboat, given most/virtually all catamarans have twin rudders that are unprotected by a skeg or hull - and that's been stated as a fundamental cruising boat requirement. Unless maybe some builders could design sacrificial rudders and one that allows a damaged rudder to be easily isolated so can be used as a backup? Is anyone aware of builders who have done this?

[@svfairisle]

It's part of the reason we dont have a cat. Catamarans do tend to have easier ways of disconnecting the drive between rudders though if one takes a bash and the bent shaft seizes the whole system up. I guess thats because the linkage is more on show between the hulls and not buried in the stern. Also a hit that breaches the seal with the hull isn't going to sink the boat with two hulls. Ive asked the same question about which designers are putting some effort into coping with these inherent design weaknesses myself, water tight bulkheads, sacrificial rudder sections, pull pin linkage separators etc. Will be interesting to get some of that info

[@TheSailingFamily]

The HH rudders are protected by the daggerboards, which are lower than the rudders at their highest point. Second, the rudders on the HH are full Carbon, even the shaft, so they are far stronger than your traditional design with a stainless or aluminum shaft. Third, there are two rudders in a catamaran so far safer than most monohull designs. And finally, the rudders are very easy to drop in and out on the HH, and some owners even carry a spare "shallow water" rudder that could be used as a back up. Thanks for watching!

[@yarpenzigrin1893]

Unnecessarily large for two people but whatever floats your boat.

[@davidclarke7728]

Couldn’t sail a sofa

[@SailingLaManga]

Now it's getting ridiculous 😒. I am out.

[@southernfriedkiwi6340]

The prices of the HH cats are outrageous, especially as they are made in China. Essentially, you're paying Ferrari prices because your friends have Porsches. Also, the bed situation because of the skinny hulls would be a deal breaker for me. Most people are never crossing oceans. They will end up coastal cruising or in the Med, island/marina hopping or in the Bahamas/Caribbean, island/marina hopping. Paying 2-3 times as much as other cats that will do 80% of the same job, but will be better from a comfort standpoint, is a waste of money.

[@dougbrodie2482]

If my friends had Porsches I think I'd need a Mercedes Benz.

[@dougbrodie2482]

When I was first shown HH I got as far as 'China' and stopped.

[@svfairisle]

If you has a dozen boats, half from the far East and half from the rest of the world I'm pretty sure I could tell you which ones were which just with a quick look. And that's because the finish on the ones from the Far East will be much better. Sad but true.

[@southernfriedkiwi6340]

@@svfairisle I agree, absolutely. I'm talking about the overall cost of the boat vs labour costs. I'll take Asian wood workers' attention to detail over the French, any day of the week. Of course, I'll also take solid wood joinery over these crap veneers that are on million dollar + yachts as well! There is no possible way that all of these overpriced boats with veneers, are going to age as well as solid joinery.

[@fraserwright9482]

The HH50 we went on was the first boat my wife liked. You guys poo pooed the fact it's built in China. But its hard to fault. If you think it's overpriced then build one to the same quality at the same price. I like the fact that it has the ability to go fast. Not everyone wants a Toyota

[@craigmartin8326]

No steel is better when you hit something in the water you will not sink. And mono is better they a catamaran.

[@waterboy8999]

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