Finding the scalar potential function for a conservative vector field // Vector Calculus

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I really enjoyed this video and the explanation was superb and I would love to see you explain the method of computing a line integral of F.dr to some value x1, y1 , z1 as dummy variables and finding the function from there.

[@carultch]

Interesting suggestion. I've accepted your challenge, to show that you get the same result, by performing a line integral. I've opted to start from the origin, but you can really start from anywhere and still get *a* function whose gradient is the given vector field. Another starting point, will produce a different potential function that only differs by an arbitrary constant. Using Trefor's example: F(x, y, z) = Let P, Q, and R indicate the three component functions of this vector field, which are all functions of x. Set up a path, starting at the origin, and aiming toward your destination point. To keep it simple, make this a straight line path. Call the path r(t), and let t be a parameter that goes from 0 to 1 r(t) = Take the derivative to find r'(t): r'(t) = The line integral (call it W, for work) is given by: W = integral F(x, y, z) dot dr Since r'(t) = dr/dt, this means we can substitute r'(t) dt for dr: W = integral F(x, y, z) dot dt This means: W = integral dot dt The dot product integrand evaluates as: P(x, y, z)*x1 + Q(x, y, z)*y1 + R(x, y, z)*z1 dt Substitute components of r for x, y, & z: P(x1*t, y1*t, z1*t)*x1 + Q(x1*t, y1*t, z1*t)*y1 + R(x1*t, y1*t, z1*t)*z1 dt Replace functions with their given functions: W = integral ([y1*t*cos(x1*t) + y1*t]*x1 + [sin(x1*t) + x1*t]*y1 + 1*z1) dt Distribute: W = integral [x1*y1*t*cos(x1*t) + 2*x1*y1*t + y1*sin(x1*t) + 1*z1) dt Evaluate each sub-integral, and pull constants out in front: x1*y1*integral t*cos(x1*t) dt = y1*t*sin(x1*t) + y1/x1*cos(x1*t) 2*x1*y1*integral t dt = x1*y1*t^2 y1*integral sin(x1*t) dt = -y1/x1*cos(x1*t) z1*integral 1 dt = z1*t Notice that y1/x1*cos(x1*t) exists for both positive and negative terms, which cancel. Thus: W = [y1*t*sin(x1*t) + x1*y1*t^2 +z1*t] eval from 0 to 1 Evaluate from 0 to 1: W = y1*sin(x1*t) + x1*y1 + z1 And this is our general potential function for this vector field. Notice that it matches Trefor's result at 8:15, when you drop the subscripts, which is exactly what we expect.

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I love all your videos but I don’t quite understand why you don’t just use CurlF = 0 to see if it’s conservative and then just take the partials of each component and take out any repeats. I know that’s not the best way of phrasing and this video is 4 years old, I’m also pretty sure this is just the more precise and official way to prove those two shortcuts but it would be nice to see the connection as your videos are the best on KZbin on vector calculus. Thanks so much for your help in understanding everything, final for calc 3 tmrw 🤞

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Namaste sir ji 🙏🏻 Why it is necessary that 'C' is a function of (y,z) . it may be a single constant

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a function of (y,z) can be a single constant if both variables are zero, we just writte that to consider all possibilities

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4:54 I thought you need to check for boundary conditions in a PDE

[@FridgeGames101]

How do you do it the other way around? Determining if a scalar potential has a corresponding conservative vector field and finding that vector field?

[@DrTrefor]

Finding the field is easy if you have a potential function, just differentiate each component.

[@shaiavraham2910]

Just out of curiosity: It’s also possible to find the potential by computing a line integral from a reference point to an arbitrary point (x, y, z) along an easy path (like a straight line) since a conservative field is path independent and then use the fundamental theorem of line integrals. Do you think it’s easier than computing a bunch of integrals and partial derivatives?

[@carultch]

You could try it, but it will be a lot easier to integrate each component, reconcile the common terms, and match the gaps left by the partial-constants of integration. Setting up a generalized path to all points, would be a lot more challenging.

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at 6:43 how is it sinx + x partial derivative of c(y,z) with respect to y is not zero. c can be y^2 and all

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Hey, isn't this suspiciously like solving for an exact differential equation?

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Yes indeed! The context is quite different but the method almost exactly the same.

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i dint get how you finalize the integrals of M,N,and P...i thought you had y sin x in both M and N TO MAKE 2[Y SIN X]

[@carultch]

You aren't adding up the results. Instead, you are looking to fill in the gaps, left by the "constants" of integration. I put constants in quotes, because they really are functions of the other variables. Given a vector field: F = Integrate M(x,y,z) with respect to x. You will get a function in the form of m(x,y,z) + A(y, z) Integrate N(x,y,z) with respect to y. You will get a function in the form of n(x,y,z) + B(x, z) Integrate P(x,y,z) with respect to z. You will get a function in the form of p(x,y,z) + C(x, y) Any terms in common among m(x,y,z), n(x,y,z) and p(x,y,z), you should only have one copy of them in your final result. If there are terms in the n-function and/or p-function that only depend on y and z, then they are part of the function A(y,z). If there are terms in the m-function that only depend on x, then they are part of the functions B(x,z) and C(x,y). Any terms depending on all three variables, will be in all three anti-derivative functions. Only one copy of them, should be in your final answer for the potential function. You then complete it with a final constant of integration, which I generally call +K.

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What book I should follow for vector calculus???I have thomas calculus.

[@ganglion258]

Sir,we can find scalar potential by f.dr only when our curl f is zero ???..if not zero then how we can find our potential?

[@DrTrefor]

You can only find the scalar potential when the curl is zero

[@ronycb7168]

We can prove that the constant of integration that is a function of the other two variables (say y and z) than the variable of partial integration (x) is zero if differentiate phi again wrt another variable (say y) and equate it to the y component of the conservative vector field and use the property that curl is zero derive and equality between dFx/dy and dFy/dx we get Fy =Fy + C(y,z) Hence C(y,z) = 0 Similarly other constants of integration are also zero.

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Why can we assume the remaining constant after integrating C(z) is zero?

[@carultch]

Because if all we care about, is finding *a* potential function, and not necessarily any specific potential function, or the general family of all possible potential functions, it's good enough to just keep it simple and let the final constant of integration be zero. The final constant of integration will cancel anyway, if using the potential function to evaluate a line integral.

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