Finding the Square Hole for the Square Peg: Autism and Employment HD

[@delilahhart4398]

"Doing what your boss says even when they are wrong" This is exactly what caused the Chernobyl disaster!

[@fionafiona1146]

Autoritarans be like.

[@vidarrimini5109]

NOT GREAT NOT TERRIBLE

[@crubs83]

It nearly caused a global nuclear apocalypse.

[@penguinshoes7928]

The RBMK generator design differs from what is used in the US- a lack of a huge concrete containment chamber. There were carbide tips on the fuel rods. The error in the test they tried to run, straying far from specified safety parameters was exacerbated by that reactor design, allowing that meltdown to occur quite rapidly. Your point is valid. It shouldn't have happened- the test they ran and subsequent disaster.

[@fancynancylucille]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@oooosala]

It’s amazing that so many autism and Asperger‘s videos have really horrible sound quality. I understand that they are taped live, but perhaps some attention should be paid to audio editing in order to weed out the loud bangs and crashing sounds of the paper and her vocal changes. Lots of great information but I can’t get through it if I can’t actually listen to it. That makes it doubly frustrating because I want to hear more but I just can’t bear it. It’s a delicate balance. Perhaps it would be advisable to do a sound check prior to beginning these kind of webinars that involve focused listening. A suggestion for the future. Unfortunately, I got 31 minutes in and had to stop. I guess this is exactly the type of thing she was referring to in regards to making suggestions that will help a company that they will ultimately probably dismiss as too critical. How helpful is a resource if it can’t be used but the people that would benefit from it the most? I would listen to the entire thing if it were sound edited or subtitled correctly. I sense her wisdom and hope at some point I can actually hear the words. Thank you.

[@navycruise]

It may be helpful to view the transcript in YT with the audio muted.

[@cthornton523]

Yup, I totally get it. Read the transcript or turn on the subtitles my friend.

[@raven4090]

I'm having the same problem. This one sounds like a cassette tape that's been exposed to a magnet 🧲 😳 and I'm wanting so much to listen to it but it's so painful with the volume constantly going up down up down up down...,

[@raven4090]

@@cthornton523 Thank you so much! I didn't know about doing that until you said that. Then I found out how.

[@cthornton523]

@@raven4090 my pleasure! I'm a big fan of utilizing the subtitles/transcript option when the sound quality is inconsistent. Especially for this speaker, my heavens.

[@davegunner49]

The quickest way to get yourself into trouble in any NT environment is to bluntly remove the facades from the very top to the bottom realising that there is no substance but just appearances and idle talk. All like a cult. But I acknowledge being disabled.

[@gagrin1565]

A perfect summation, my good person.

[@sophielongley8169]

I was put on performance review for several corporate wishy washy jobs because I ‘ couldn’t handle it’. Yes, I couldn’t handle the micromanaging, the dishonesty and the lack of purpose. I now have my ASD diagnosis and it all makes sense. I wish I could tell my past employers that it wasn’t my fault and that I have ASD :( :(

[@RaneBane]

@@sophielongley8169 Good for you. Nobody got the right to micromanage, that's harassment.. and dishonesty is disrespect.

[@coffeecalmdown]

@@RaneBane indeed, micromanagement is definitely a red flag and it's a sign of extreme distrust towards an employee's capabilities. It's the same as being in an abusive relationship.

[@benjaminjiin8432]

Lol!

[@BM-lj9zf]

Wow, a six year old video summing up uncomfortably perfectly how I lost my dream job… somehow both comforting and frustating

[@bananian]

What was your dream job?

[@BM-lj9zf]

@@bananian I was a corporate chocolatier for a small company. I had (what I thought was) a great mentor who would give guidance but let me work alone. Always time set aside to learn and get better at what you do. It really was the perfect space for me to be paid for my special interest. I lost it then found out I was on the spectrum. Still not over it tbh.

[@bananian]

@@BM-lj9zf That's unfortunate. That does sound like a fun job

[@plantstho6599]

@@BM-lj9zf Just learning of my own autism and recently lost the best job I've had to date. Not my dream job (what I want doesn't exist in this world), but definitely the best one I've had yet.

[@ufojules]

I clicked on thos video because of the thumb nail picture. It describes me well. I'm only just realising I have autism. But without knowing I've chosen a job that fits perfectly. I work alone, no uniform, low contact with customers and no boss. I've had the same job for years now and have stopped skipping from one job to another.

[@chooseaname1423]

What is it? I’m looking for that, but seems like a pipe dream.

[@snoeleppard]

Wow. I'm just figuring out now that I have Autism (self-diagnosed), and this explains everything I've been struggling with at my new job. Thank you so much for this video! I'm definitely going to take what I've learned to my current and future jobs to not only help me but also my employer. I just got a job as a cashier at one of my small town's local gas station/convenience stores. Going into the job, I thought it would be just fine. I didn't know I have Autism then. Now I'm four weeks into the job and am realizing I'm not a good match for the store and its needs, it's not a good match for me and my needs, and I should probably leave. This job has me interacting with others for at least five solid hours a day, cleaning, cooking in the deli, stocking shelves, answering the phone to take orders and answer questions (this is so awkward!) and so much more. The "regulars" like to mess around and not speak directly to me or tease me just because I'm new. I can't handle this well at all. Sometimes they'll say something and mean something else, but I completely miss it. I once almost added someone's grill to my boss' bill at the store (he and my boss are good friends. This is something he had done with a previous cashier who understood that he actually meant that they should put it on his own bill). I sometimes have memory problems and ask a customer more than once if they would like a receipt. My attention gets so divided and I get so worn out during the day that when I get home, I have to unwind for several hours (even if I get home around 9:45 pm; I'll need to unwind until at least midnight) and then sleep as long as I can just to wake up and repeat it the next day. It's draining, and I'm realizing now what kind of jobs would be better for me (this is only my second job ever; my first was being a retail salesperson. I absolutely hated it). Now I'm really wanting to work at a florist's, making floral arrangements. I think it would be a better place for me because it's just me and the flowers, and I might be interacting with customers but it wouldn't be nearly as busy as my current job. Maybe I can ask the flower shop for a job trial? I think it would have been wise for me to get a trial at my current job, but I didn't know such a thing existed and was actually okay. Thanks again for this video! It's been an extreme help and I can't wait to get started improving my work situation.

[@HollyJordan15]

I’d say go for the flower shop 💐 sorry you are having to go through all this x

[@MrGone-bw6bk]

In every job I had during my younger years I would work my way to the job and end up with the manager’s position with no place to go from there. I saved enough money to start my own business doing what I wanted to do and with the hours I wanted to work. My business grew and lasted for 32 years. I closed that business 4 years ago. I’m now 63 and have learned that so- called retirement is anathema to me. I planning to launch a foundation that makes small loans to start-up businesses.

[@gwenjohn8673]

This is devastating to listen to after 50 years of being a total flop

[@Her_Viscera]

Better late than never! But I feel your pain :(

[@fancynancylucille]

Why does no one ever name the elephant in the room? People with autism have been BULLIED very severely for a very long time. Tony Attwood points this out at the end of one of his lectures. (I was horribly bullied on a daily basis all through school, and at home as well.) We are fearful, reactive, and may even dissociate when situations become difficult. We do not create well-crafted personae for ourselves, and find humans with such well-crafted personae (two-faced, my Aspie dad called them) incredibly difficult to deal with. When we call a spade a spade, we get ostracized. Someday the world will be more honest. Then the idiotic teachers say, "He/she is very intelligent, certainly, but they are emotionally behind their peers, so we must hold them back with the younger kids". They are already at risk of being bullied for being super smart and socially awkward, and the "professionals" see fit to place them with even less intelligent children (because younger) where they will be treated even worse. I believe that if my daughter had been placed with the older children, she would have faired marvelously well. Instead, she had to endure the boredom of of less challenging work and endless bullying. Thanks, Worcester Public Schools.

[@sarahallenhumboldt2638]

List of some of the difficulties involved at: 23:45/1:29:24 is helpful.

[@piksibelle]

One or two suggestions not destroy the whole company with suggestions- i laughed so hard at that . Why ask if you don’t want to know .

[@isabellabihy8631]

I completely agree ... I share the experience. Especially change and unsaid rules which everybody else seemed to know but me. In the family I heard frequently that I should think and behave 'normal' however the exact definition of what was expected were never told. How am I not to know what 'normal' is, everybody else does.

[@GygyMy]

Thank you so much Madam! I wish I had all this 15-20 years ago :-)

[@HBKinky]

How come suddenly there are so many talks about my life on KZbin? 😅 Thank you for the awesome content 💜

[@Sky-Child]

Really useful for us who don't really have high aspirations or ambition. I am just rethinking this. I was too academic to be offered horticulture in school (which would have changed my life - one of my SIs is gardening) and didn't really apply myself to the subjects I did take, yet my grades are good. I have been told I am insubordinate, lazy, "just don't get it", anti social and not good with people. I have left so many jobs when things started going wrong. I am currently in admin because my minute taking skills and hyperfocus are excellent but I am terrible at the day to day and hope to apply for horticultural college soon

[@Sky-Child]

My partner is the "no information" type and I am the oversharer. Sigh.

[@janeedgar-peterlin3968]

Fantastic! Best advice on getting autistic people into the right kind of work that I’ve come across. This lady covers all the ppints

[@meetings5145]

I am 32 and have had 8 jobs in less than 7 years .. :( and i am a techie.. its not the tech that i am not good with.. i just cant follow what the bosses say what the coworkera talk about in a lunch or friday evening..

[@fionafiona1146]

My condolences

[@coffeecalmdown]

Depends on the boss. If they have a hands off approach it's not a problem (for me at least).

[@chickedee1085]

Just imagine looking at planet earth from a distance in space and knowing most people have to go through the contents of this video to be able to survive on the planet. Hideous.

[@SB_McCollum]

Regarding volume control - I’m using Chromecast to play it thru a television. Having the speakers both on a higher volume and halfway across the room helps mediate all the swings in voice volume and crashing sounds.

[@gillywillybythesea]

Thanks - very useful tip :)

[@neredan1182]

that thumbnail described me already 😅😅

[@honeybnoir824]

Same. Especially Anxiety girl.

[@kristbg]

I can see how much Dr. Hendrickx understands autism and autistic people's needs. However, it's very frustrating to watch this hour-and-a-half long presentation and actually apply anything to reality. My reality here in Canada is that I need to get whatever is available while I can, or I starve to death. I get a job, burn out, spend months recovering, run out of money, get another terrible job, rinse, repeat. As for getting a job, it's the hardest part for me. Once I'm in everybody loves me because I'm intelligent, responsible, hard-working and incredibly reliable. But who cares? If you're a neurotypical HR manager I'm just a problem.

[@katladyfromtheNetherlands]

I will never compromise my values and principles for whatever and dont see the value in it anyway, you say that its social, no stupid .

[@katladyfromtheNetherlands]

It makes me boiling hot mad, and this will be used against me

[@dlon8899]

@@katladyfromtheNetherlands I 100% agree. Dutch now here begins our scripted game. We need to control, and most importantly frame our interactions. We don't need to bite the bite. Easier said than done 😁😁Lie lie and bullshit as often as possible to make your workplace experience beneficial to YOU. Someone wants to pass their workload onto you. LIE: "My relationship with my nonexistent daughter/son/wife, contrains me to get home asap" . This skill of bullshitting is not taught

[@Gerwulf97]

I'm sorry but the mic quality is so bad, I can't listen to this, it's driving me insane.

[@turtleanton6539]

Very cool😊

[@Gshkent]

My work “ due to confidentiality you can’t vent about things at work that happened... so when you guys need to vent, we are here for you.” Me : um... when... everyone is busy, how do I vent correctly... there’s not one person on the same schedule.. I got in some trouble when I was venting about how no one told me I’d be giving breaks after my session when I had 1 hour gap between my next 3 sessions... my hour turned into a half hour..... and I got talked to for bringing down morale.

[@maggiemcdowell8868]

I feel this, I've been talked to for venting and bringing down morale, being too honest. And I feel often feel like my coworkers are playing social mind games with me that I can't even begin to comprehend and that gets me into trouble...

[@janeedgar-peterlin3968]

I have 2/3 kids who are level 1 ASD, although I’m not ASD myself. Interestingly, I reported to a manager, who is high-functioning Asperger’s, for 12 months. I found the experience profoundly depressing. It was through a second lockdown, so not an optimal environment, but I just couldn’t understand why he was so dismissive of the challenges we were up against and how we were all feeling about it. There was always something I could’ve done better, or simply a lack of interest altogether - until there was a problem. He frequently yawned during our 1/2 hr 1:1 meetings! He was good at showing sympathy towards people when they were sick - better than other team members, but just didn’t read the room. I realised he was likely ASD once we were back in the office and asked to report to someone else, but the issue is still there and other team members avoid him. He’s Head Of the team so this is a problem. He’s not a nasty person, so I feel bad for him when I see him sitting on his own. I think it would be better if he just explained the problem so that everyone can accept it and move on, but I’m unsure if he’s aware he is ASD…. The more these neurodiverse brains become known and understood, the better it will be for everyone, neurotypicals, neurodiverse, everyone!

[@Lady8D]

what is with all the loud noises?!?! I have to have the speaker loud bc she fades in and out constantly and then: *_CRASH BASH SCRAPE_*

[@sallybaddeley6060]

That's a scouse accent.

[@aynp7302]

she was turning the pages, she's reading from her notes?

[@jms9057]

This is actually useful for INTJs, as well. One remark: on the My Work Context slide, things like "no desire for social status, wanted to work alone, wanted own schedule, couldn't cope with 'uniform' of office life"...they're not signs of abnormality, in my book. They're signs of someone who sees through the social facade and wants nothing to do with it, and there's nothing wrong with that. Someone has to get the work done while the sheeple are bleating, after all.

[@riffraffrabble5592]

I wish the sound was better. 😐

[@katerinafar]

I can do teamwork! :) (with other programmers) but I can't eat in public (I hate restaurants) and I can't stand small talking. Also, no dress code was in my last job so I wore sarees for one and a half years and now I think, maybe it seemed to be a little bit strange :)

[@MackerelCat]

So helpful!

[@hufficag]

You mentioned science and engineering individuals remain at one job 20-30 years because they like what they're doing. What? Do other people not enjoy what they're doing? I thought other people also had the same special interest in their field of work that scientists and engineers have.

[@delilahhart4398]

It's a good video, but one thing that annoys me is that she'll start talking in a normal tone of voice, but the the volume dwindles down in her sentences until she's mumbling and you can't understand her.

[@emilywire28]

The banging....whatever that is. Its making me ugh

[@charlespatten7197]

I wanted to listen to this so much because of the content and experience of the speakers but the sound quality was so awful I couldn’t bear it. Read the room.

[@Dan_Chiron]

I'd rather be at the top of the ladder and manage people than being managed by some NT climber who don't have the required knowledge to perform and who's main concern is carrying out their agenda instead of getting the work done.

[@coffeecalmdown]

@Black Bamboo It's even worse. Some people simply cannot be managed. That's not to say those people are acting out of spite or ill intent. With some people it appears to be an intelligence issue more than anything else.

[@coffeecalmdown]

@Syd Barger I've had jobs where I needed to manage my manager as it were. Not only were those managers not interested in getting the actual job done, they were an impediment to the job itself. Luckily I'm now at a job where people admire and reward good work.

[@coffeecalmdown]

@Syd Barger Not sure what you're asking, to be honest. If your question is about whether I'm an NT: no, definitely not.

[@d-rex7043]

This was a good presentation. I think some of the comments about the sound are a little harsh, given it was conducted over the Atlantic ocean, 4 years ago, in the days before zoom etc.

[@Kaichannel612]

Keep in mind, many of us watching have sensory issues. It can make it harder to listen to certain things despite wanting to know the info.

[@Her_Viscera]

"over the atlantic ocean" lmao

[@richiepropster4313]

decagon peg for decagon hole***

[@thecreativemastermin]

All this talk of holes is getting me inappropriately excited 😜

[@babymammoth34]

On the topic of employment and AANE, I sincerely hope that Steven Garfinkle is no longer involved with working directly with our population. Hopefully Ms Dania saw the light and realized and accepted that he is largely unfit for this line of work and acted accordingly. We can only hope...

[@chickedee1085]

Schedule - British say Shed-dual and Americans say Sked-dual.

[@benjaminjiin8432]

So I have a high opinion of myself. I have Great Expectations which maybe I can Handle. I have crossed the notion of me aiming for the mt. tops or higher and tripped on a bit of other individuals opinions. After all not just anyone gets published in a prestigious journal. Not just anyone can do..... When I pay for (it) myself it's just like magic how shit can actually happen. It's funny how if I were to mirror the aiming too high notion I might just consider myself a dreamer. Altho creating on my own the cost is tremendous. Envolving other people is a kind of force multiplier. But people are people. Expectations are a funny thing.

[@automaticgiant]

is there a version of this talk somewhere with a speaking face to focus on?

[@benjaminjiin8432]

34:00 Concerning unemployed individuals choosing to stay unemployed: I wonder if these young men have been bullied out of employment? Maybe kind of like black men in the US? So a system of lack that necessitates competition which facilitates who can mate with whom add an autistic individual and guess what might happen? Socialness does strain the scientific method at least in the short term. Hummmm is that why individuals with highfalutin autism start families later in life if at all.

[@camellia8625]

Why have you got such issues with autistic people?

[@turtleanton6539]

Yes