Ranking the WORST & BEST debut albums...

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

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[@garrydhintz8017]

Great video Finn. I liked the deep dive into some albums I didn't even know existed. A few more videos of this would go over well I think. 🤘

[@ZackSeifMusic]

Off the bat: Hybrid Theory and Appetite for Destruction are 10/10 debuts and two of the best selling debuts of all time 🙏

[@mike_tkgchs]

Amen. anybody should appreciate appetite regardless if you like GdR or not (i'm on the nay side), freaking masterpiece and probably the only band where i can stand super high vocals . maybe some random.judas priest song but thats cuz uncle rob is the coolest one😂

[@Swullmark]

Some other phenomenal ones I'd say are Kill 'Em All, and Book of Shadows I

[@davidstephan5116]

Appetite was GnR’s 2nd album. Lies was their first technically

[@davidstephan5116]

Actually it was Live, like a suicide, which was rereleased on GnR Lies

[@Krvptxd]

@@davidstephan5116🤓🤓

[@startervisions]

If Paramore is your "guilty pleasure" ...you should probably question your shameless pleasures, and figure out, whether they are or are not something you should feel guilty about...

[@egrytznr8893]

I'm a metal head and most of my friends are, I don't feel guilty about that but I do about liking a few Paramore songs Lmao. I think "guilty pleasures" are different for everyone depending on who we hang out with and what kind of music we like. For someone into mainstream pop they might have extreme metal as a "guilty pleasure". I definitely see how a die hard punk fan would personally classify Paramore as a "guilty pleasure", that's not really an insulting statement either it's kinda cringe for Finn to think it is

[@dominikaksiazek7177]

I think nobody should feel guilty for listening to songs they like. Even when it's something totally different than your usual playlists. It's good to have some variety.

[@egrytznr8893]

@@dominikaksiazek7177 I agree but I think it's just a harmless saying, it's not like people feel seriously guilty LoL they might be a little embarrassed to admit it but they are actually complimenting it saying "this isn't what I normally like but it's great and I like it anyway"

[@emobassist]

@@egrytznr8893yes but Finn and I were born in a different era where people judged you for listening to a certain kind of music

[@egrytznr8893]

@@emobassist yeah I can understand that, I'm only like 7 years younger than Finn and people did that when I was young too, I'm sure I was and am still guilty of it myself but more of unfairly judging the music than people who listen to it. I never liked the "core" label and made/make fun of that music sometimes but I'm never being super serious, I like some of those bands. A lot of people when they're young take a hard line stance on their taste in music, it's kinda like one of the first tribal experiences for a lot of people and it can get pretty toxic sometimes. I guess I just see "guilty pleasure" especially in music differently than most? I've always really cherished them, they feel more personal in a way, but I can see how it can definitely be toxic to feel like we have to hide what we like from people.

[@TheKalaxis]

"Emergency" from "All we know is falling" was my introduction to Paramore. I was telling everyone who would listen they were gonna be huge. One of the few times I was right.

[@matthewroberts3125]

First song I heard off that album was Pressure and I instantly became a fan

[@atvena]

Those 2 songs are amazing "all we know" is weak so was a terrible choice by Finn to showcase the album

[@dustywaynemusic6297]

Found that on a Warped Tour '06 compilation. Still my favorite Paramore song

[@shawnannul]

I loved Paramore back then. I was all over their MySpace listening to the B Sides, went to see them on the Final Riot Tour. They were great

[@DaryllRambo]

That Write Zombie track sounds like me leaning my guitar up against the amp while it cycles through affects and my dog wags his tail against the strings

[@Christianmspence]

The amount of typos is fucking wild

[@CultofMaverickhunters]

We need a shirt with you on it saying "Here's the thing....."

[@Jeffersonia120]

It should be Andy Biersack on stage with Finn's head over it

[@HimothyBurton]

After all these years, the BVB "HERES THE THING" clip still gets me lmfao

[@thomasanthony5021]

Godflesh first album Streetclean is a perfect example of a debut that hit hard. No filler. 10/10

[@AgainstTheeWickedlyMusic]

Streetcleaner is pretty sick, yeah!

[@StuartHetzler]

you should tier list sophomore albums. i feel like they're generally more interesting in a meta perspective.

[@burningtheevidence8038]

2nd or 3rd albums are mostly the best in a band's discography. This is the perfect point between youthful roughness and experience/finding your band's identity before starting to repeat yourself or loosing the identity of your band.

[@StuartHetzler]

@@burningtheevidence8038 2nd albums are often the band's worst album. sophomore slump

[@burningtheevidence8038]

@@StuartHetzler That's the thing with opinions and a-holes ;P

[@StuartHetzler]

@@burningtheevidence8038 except my opinion is so shared it has a literal term for it but go off :)

[@xXxR3V3NxXx]

​@StuartHetzler typically this term is for sports due to the fact that there is higher expectations for someone, and they get more spotlight in a competitive sense, therefore stats will drop. I don't think it applies to musicians.

[@acerimmer8338]

That RATM debut still sounds fresh today. Like, it could come out right now and feel completely current. Really amazing debut.

[@bengreenbank]

One of the greatest bands of all time. 3 albums, all S tier. Completely unique sound at the time that even now sounds ahead of the game. Imitated by loads of bands basically all of which are complete shit. An all time great guitarist and frontman in the same band with an incredibly solid rhythm section. Riffs that got millions of people into playing guitar

[@thescarletgraywitch8052]

Agree

[@ericnay7733]

Just caught Sum 41 on their farewell tour and it is honestly in my top 3 concerts I’ve been too in the last 20 years. Sad to see them go..

[@chippsdubbo89]

All We Know is Falling is my favorite Paramore album. It hits so hard for me for some reason.

[@MrJoshDrums0490]

My favorite album as well

[@fakerskraa2555]

Mine too, no skips and only bangers. Conspiracy, Franklin and My heart still hits hard to this day.

[@chippsdubbo89]

@@fakerskraa2555 And "Here we go again" always hits me in the feels!

[@mirulmustdie]

Same

[@BigOwl51]

Most underrated debut album is Core by Stone Temple Pilots. Everyone focuses on the big 4 of grunge for good reason, that they always forget about the other grunge bands of the time like STP who were also dropping classics.

[@CMill78]

That's because STP isn't Grunge. They just got lumped in by some people. STP is a straight up Rock band. A great one at that.

[@HappinessDIY]

How is it underrated? It was a huge album when it came out.

[@HemiSlant6828]

@@HappinessDIY STP is a huge band, but it always seems like very few people know or talk about them. It’s like how Iron Maiden has a huge following, but you ask someone who listens to a lot of music, they just look at you weird because they never heard of Iron Maiden.

[@BigOwl51]

@@HappinessDIYso? It’s not 1992 anymore. It’s 2024, idk if you noticed. Just because something was big in the 90s doesn’t mean it’s big in the 2020s.

[@HappinessDIY]

@@BigOwl51 core gets higher reviews now than in the 1990s. It ranked number 11 in a rolling stone article for best 90s album just a couple of years ago. A 25th anniversary album came out like 5 years ago and went platinum. So I’m not sure what you are talking about.

[@Father_Daniel]

RATM first album is iconic. I never heard that first White Zombie album, it really does sound like 2 songs playing over top of each other. Great video!

[@MacCoalieCoalson]

The fact that people STILL don't realize that Carnivore and many Type O Negative lyrics are edgy for the sake of being edgy or are outright satire/sarcasm (especially in Carnivore's case) astounds me, especially when in Race War specifically he literally outright "breaks character" and says racism is stupid later in the song

[@morganqorishchi8181]

53% of Americans between the ages of 17 and 65 read at a fifth grade level or *lower*. So this does not at all surprise me. Literacy in all media is dependent on understanding concepts, and people are lagging behind in that.

[@nobodynothing6551]

They read it as the break being the character and the rest being sincere because it aligns with their personal beliefs.

[@drinkinouttacups2665]

@@nobodynothing6551 Who is doing this?

[@sherman1476]

The message isn't satire, he never "broke character" because the whole point of Race War was to be in the eyes of a racist. and how racism is evil.

[@michealrosen]

Peter steeles sense of humor and sarcasm went over most peoples heads, you could not make jokes that he used to make in interviews like that now these days.

[@JohnBiddleMusic]

Half hour of power is amazing. It’s probably not the best thing they ever did. But it’s all there, the pop punk choruses, the metal influences, and just sounds like they’re having a good time. It’s definitely better than a lot of later albums but doesn’t get talked about often enough

[@megano2000]

YESSSSS!!!

[@James-hm3cu]

I completely agree. It is such a good album and it doesn't get talked about enough at all. I think one of the main reasons it gets a little dismissed is because the production on some of the songs isn't quite as crisp as AKNF etc.

[@Nik.No.K]

5:30 little thought experiment here, if there was a similar type of symbol for capitalism and someone put that on their guitar, would you immediately jump to the very worst examples of history that have been carried out in the name of capitalism? Most communist countries have also been totalitarian. I’m not in favor of communism but not all communist philosophy must also be strict totalitarianism. Plenty of bad things have been done in the name of communism and capitalism.

[@jeremycunningham7897]

I saw Rage in tiny club in Portland back in 92 just before the first album came out … I was lookin for the DJ scratching shit- no one had heard a guitar make noises like that. Band at the top of their game already. I met the guys after + they gave me advance copy of the album. Blew me away + still does. I agree with u on the other annoying stuff but that first record is indeed untouchable!

[@Frederick0220]

Hot Take: The debut album from Catch Your Breath from several months ago is the best debut album since the self-titled debut album from SOAD.

[@solearesoul]

More videos like this! This was great.

[@brage1027]

We called the sack tap “bagging” in school. As in “dude just bagged me”. Or “hey, watch me bag Finn”. The good ole days lol

[@scottpoyer5678]

We always called the sack tap a cup check, usually saying "cup check" as we hit the person.

[@EngineeredChannel]

We called it "ball game". 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@dustywaynemusic6297]

We called it a "squirrel" and you had to yell "squirrel!" when you did it

[@KrnyMr]

How Finn's tier list video turns into a little history lesson :D I love it

[@kingschlamiel]

Poison the well- the opposite of December

[@LukeSeymour04]

niiice

[@julienpecheur7089]

first album is "only distance makes the heart grow fonder" isn't it?

[@kingschlamiel]

Idk if that counted as an ep or album, either way I liked it a lot

[@dalekay9ine]

Still one of the best metal albums, love the production and recording quality as well.

[@moshhard616]

Hitting hard ain't ya?

[@cmurockstar]

What do you think about Alien Ant Farm's debut? It's incredibly solid. A tier at worst.

[@MichaelSims-rn6vu]

Ima korn fan. But my girlfriend had me listening to all we know is failing. And that album for me, is up there with A tiers.

[@LimpyKjr117]

Best debuts: Kill em all, iron maiden, boston, led Zeppelin, suicidal tendencies, vio-lence, forbidden, heathen, whiplash, death angel, possessed, death, morbid angel, testament, Exodus(as you can tell, thrash is my favorite genre)

[@goldenirie]

Suicidal Tendencies baby!

[@klaustrouza]

KoRn - KoRn

[@shaykitoffe6411]

Oh fuck ya. Imo that's their BEST record.

[@untitled568]

1:56 This is their first album before being signed to a major label *unpauses video* Hayley Williams : And it shows Perfect timing..

[@anthonycook5238]

16:02 I remember I was on a road trip and I put on Red Hot chili peppers playlist and I fell asleep in an hour and a half away later I woke up to that shit cursed me from ever checking out any of the other Red Hot chili peppers early stuff lol

[@seized-timbres]

still remember reading a CCS magazine that my american friend brought back from Oregon,and he said oh yeah you gotta check out Sum 41, music trajectory changed dramatically

[@dan12con]

CCS! Wow that just unlocked a core memory for me.

[@scotty666tt]

When I was 16 I was known as the town drunk

[@DrastixMachina]

Nice

[@THEJimmiChanga]

Pressure from Paramore's first album is how I discovered them before Riot was out. I was playing in a band w/ a female singer @ the time and that was one of the songs we covered. I use to make my girlfriend at the time sing it while I played it on acoustic so I took it to our singer Brittany who was actually a big Paramore fan (go figure) and already knew it.

[@TenguTalks]

Makes No Difference is my favorite Sum 41 song. Moment I heard it at my college radio station I was hooked.

[@nordy259]

Refusing to leave your friends behind that helped get you to where you are today, respect!

[@soulcrusher807]

So the opposite of Rob Zombie.

[@nordy259]

@@soulcrusher807 of most the music industry

[@brett2015]

Is there anyone in the Milky Way galaxy that knows RATM has immensely better songs than Killing in the Name?

[@bananaempijama]

Me. People of the sun are one of their best

[@real30yearoldboomerhours53]

No Shelter booooiiiiiii 🔥

[@neolbioldey]

ME

[@brett2015]

@@real30yearoldboomerhours53 Township Rebellion 🤘🏻🔥

[@dustywaynemusic6297]

Down Rodeo

[@Breadmakerc]

I think Finn is an industry plant.

[@DuaLipasfan]

Dude always use the same old bands in his videos

[@CrashieTunez]

Your mom is an industry planr

[@VXNCEKUTHERRIE]

​@@CrashieTunez what's a planr

[@mistersudz102]

@@VXNCEKUTHERRIElike a wedding planr

[@bananaempijama]

Here's the thing!!!.....

[@fightrudyfight5799]

When I heard Sum41 on DBZ’s Bardock: The Father of Goku vhs tape I was hooked. Damn time flies.Still a huge fan of Sum41 as a 41 year old. Great debut.

[@youtubetrollking1880]

You know its going to be a solid list when the video starts with the statement, "the debut album tends to be either the worst thing the band has ever done, or the best thing they've ever done, or sometimes its in the middle."

[@guillaumelagueyte1019]

Everytime, it's never the same thing 100% of the time.

[@nathanthomson1931]

The first Sum 41 album is amazing, and I remember thinking they were gods after seeing the vid for "Makes No Difference" as a teen. They were from about 2.5 hrs away from where I grew up In Canada too (Avril Lavigne was about 1.5 hrs from me), so it was mindblowing to see something so cool from Canadians not from Toronto, Montreal, or Vancouver

[@SolarDNA]

Finn going off on a tangent about the Pantera sword is the best part of the video. 😆

[@breadtilian]

I love the cleansing by suicide silence

[@jacobbowers5557]

Weezer, Third Eye Blind, and Boston are all also S tier debuts in my opinion

[@soysaucehairdye7869]

yep the Third Eye Blind first album is a classic. I would actually argue the best songs on that album are the non-singles like 'The Background' and 'Motorcycle Drive By' and all of the singles were awesome.

[@satanicdaggaorgyband560]

Great take on the 3EB album

[@mistersudz102]

I feel like white zombie had even earlier stuff like gods of voodoo moon from the 80’s It has like one listenable song called scarecrow man. Even that one’s pretty rough

[@valentinovlsn]

Thanks for letting people know about Holodomor

[@nickudeschini4812]

That Sum 41 album is the sound of going to Pizza Hut and a Nickelodeon movie with your parents and annoying younger sibling in 1999. S tier

[@Markptaz450]

Slipknot. S+ tier for debut self titled album. S+ tier for sophomore followup.

[@cartercolson7975]

b tier for vol 3 the subliminal verses

[@evan9811]

@@cartercolson7975Nah subliminal verses is still S tier

[@OwiggumX]

Wow, I think you nailed every detail of the Rage part perfectly. Spot on.

[@ramblingfool805]

No doubt “ache” is a certified banger 💯 frfr no 🧢

[@elikerr785]

We should bring the term "Freaky Stylie" back into the zeitgeist...

[@discodench]

I don't know if the "channel isnt doing good" thing is real or not. I think the channel is doing fine. Anyway, this type of content is fun Finn, so if you're looking for ideas I love this stuff.

[@mommyjeans9483]

I was going to say that Pantera song sounded like a Kiss ripoff, but someone is your chat beat me to it.

[@JC_2311]

Steel Panther are actually Pantera from an alternate universe where they never become the "Cowboys from Hell"....

[@juanmarcosgrasset3271]

P.S.: the first No Doubt album is awesome.

[@mramisuzuki6962]

Gwen Stefani said in an interview that the album cover of tragic kingdom and the don’t speak video was based on them get a second chance simple because she was hot.

[@colinrussell2017]

That shit is bananas

[@SergioRamosIsTheKing]

Self titled debuts often slap. Slipknot RATM SOAD Korn

[@bananaempijama]

Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. you say? It's pretty dark and groovy 🤣

[@atvena]

​@@bananaempijamait says self titled

[@sherman1476]

Foo Fighters

[@MrJoshDrums0490]

I first heard of Sum 41 on a VHS copy of the Dragonball Z movie “Bardock, The Father Of Goku” and “Makes No Difference” was on the credits. Half Hour Of Power is highly underrated indeed!

[@petetrejo4800]

We love you Finn

[@tashakostercova]

Can we get newer bands like Spiritbox and Bad Omens? I know they have fewer albums, but I'm curious about how they stack up against bands with more albums.

[@soulcrusher807]

As you can tell by my screen name I am a fan of white zombie. Their early stuff is pretty run of the mill noise rock. Getting J. who was an actual guitar player pushed them into the direction they went into. That is why I hate Rob for how he treated them because Sherri Ono had a problem with the past relationship Rob had with Sean. Also if you do this one again, Kid Rock and Offspring need to be on it.

[@williamduncan8282]

what about RPM 10 by Rise Against? (Their best album in my opinion)

[@mineral520]

but he's talking about debut albums. this is there second album. though i agree, this is there best album.

[@williamduncan8282]

​@@mineral520completly forgot, my bad. I dont think any of the other rise agsinst albums hit the same

[@RickyRockstarTNS]

As December Falls has one of the best recent debut albums I've ever heard (from 2019). They only had 2 EPs to practice with before recording it. 2 albums later and they've been to #1 in the UK rock chart.

[@QueLoKevin]

All We Know is Falling is my favorite Paramore album and Riot is actually my least favorite. One of chatters said All We Know sounds generic but that’s exactly how I feel about Riot. Like most people, Riot was my intro to Paramore. And it was so generic Radio Disney sounding that I wrote them off for years as just a boring chick band. Then I eventually listened to their debut album and my view on them flipped completely

[@justaspuidokas7026]

History lesson top notch!!

[@PunkIsNotDead]

That Sum41 video has very soulful dude bro energy.

[@jewpac88]

I think Rob zombie said when they started they actually knew nothing about music or even how to play instruments but I can't fully remember, think it was on a rogan podcast

[@horrorcorridorshow]

Damn Finn, other than Paramore and Suicide Silence, this reminds me of finding these CDs at Fred Meyer and sampling them in 30 second clips. The nostalgia is real for me today. Thank you again for another awesome vid

[@erinschneider3212]

Paramore’s 1st album is one I still listen to today. I do like 1 song unironically off No Doubt’s 1st album, “let’s get back” it’s pretty good, but I have to be in a mood for it haha

[@thebullpenn281]

Sugar ray lemonade and brownies is S tier

[@radge1574]

In Scotland sack tapping is called Toby tig

[@wolfmoon6360]

That Pantera album cover loioks like something I would've drawn as a tenager dreaming of being in a metal band

[@ryanrowe1975]

Good tier list

[@octoberplanecrash631]

Clearly you didn’t research Paramore. Haley had a deal with Atlantic before Paramore formed as a band. When they did as part of her deal, they got Fueled by Ramen to “release” the record so they could start out with some indie cred. Atlantic was funding everything. That’s when FBR became the farm label for the majors.

[@user-hr4lf7wv6h]

The sac check in NJ was called a “tipper”

[@dman3316]

The Cleansing cover art was Ai artwork before the Ai

[@galzajcytmu6659]

-paramore: A : but emergency and pressure are just S++ GOAT tear imo, lift it from B to A -sum 41: A+: 2 nice fast catchy songs and the instrumental tracks are also nice the others aren't my thing

[@samurai_jack_1]

Is tje lead singer to suiside silence the same lead singer to spineshank

[@stephenventura4075]

Motley Crue’s first album was very very good. Shout At The Devil was a touch better but Too Fast For Love was also great

[@fredericlatreille]

When I was in 8th grade and my friend said he was into Pantera, I thought he was a fuckin' poser because I remembered seing old videos, but I hadn't heard "Cowboys from Hell" ... a few weeks later "Vulgar Display of Power" came out and I was awestruck :p

[@xxenthusedgames1540]

Starting off with all we know is falling is perfect. Honestly it's my favorite paramore album. It felt like they lost something when riot came out

[@dylanbarnett6099]

I strongly encourage you to check out the make them die slowly songs prefromed LIVE there actually really good, when Prefromed with J in the band

[@thatonecommentator193]

I’m surprised Finn lifting his headphones and wincing isn’t an emote on his twitch.

[@BootsORiley]

Can I give a shout to Nada Surf? Their first LP, Hi/Low, is God tier, and holds up extremely well to this very day

[@AblissMusic]

Speaking of Paramore's first album, it's a damn shame it doesn't get the attention it deserves, when Pressure exists. It's probably my favorite song by them (except maybe Misery Business and That's what you get)

[@henryoddsball2164]

21:36 bag tag dude

[@carlpeterson8182]

Maybe the first album by Pantera was really by Panthera. I was thinking it sounded somewhat like Ozzy also. that is minus some great soloing. THE RHCPs sounded like bad Frank Zappa.

[@jordanjoestar8839]

Static X // Wisconsin Death Trip I'd argue this is the best debut album (and release in general) you could ever have on any sort of list. It's truly a masterpiece and no other band/album can emulate it.

[@HappinessDIY]

Still waiting for Finn’s ska hate with No Doubt. But as a 90s ska kid from So Cal, I loved their first album. But I have to say they did get immensely better when Gwen’s brother left and she started writing songs. Him leaving the band was the best thing to happen to them.

[@Swagonslayuh]

I happen to think the cover art for Unalive silence's "The Ckeaning" is very good

[@soysaucehairdye7869]

Sponge 'Rotting Pinata' is a perfect rock debut album that no one knows about which is sad. Blessthefall 'His Last Walk' is a bonafide classic. Of Machines 'As If Everything Was Held In Place' might be the greatest debut of all-time to me.

[@mybrotherjames8579]

Tims bass tone on that ratm album is what I always try to emulate.

[@dan44zzt231]

Which game was the Sum 41 song off?

[@_ericc.]

Although half hour of power is like only decent, some of those songs, especially makes no difference are SO GOD DAMN GOOD

[@The.Last.Tempest]

Just curious: since the East India company murdered millions of people, do we also clown on people repping the Union Jack? You know since it was in the official company logo and all

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

I actually didn't know that was the official company logo! Yes, I think people would be justified in being bummed to see it given the history.

[@Complication84]

Dude, 90 seconds of sack taps! That is so long to have non stop sack tapping going on LOL

[@stewartdowouis9218]

Tons of bands were already trying to rip Paramore off after their first album. That one could be bumped up to A tier.

[@PaoloCorona-n7g]

What about Guns N Roses Appetite for Destruction or Exodus Bonded by Blood or Metallica Kill em All or Skid Row Bullet for my Valentine or Iron Maiden???

[@bythelights]

Finn doing the ussr history using a Canadian website. heck. I guess that's the problem with americans

[@larrymole3477]

I know this isn't really a grunge channel, but would have loved to have heard your thoughts on Bleach.

[@peterdalmationcro4217]

Great album, love it.

[@anti-liberal7167]

APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION GREATEST DEBUT ALBUM OF ALL TIME GUNS -N- FUCKING ROSES BABY 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@arviduebelacker]

Cringe

[@julesdevall2176]

It's not my cup of tea but for those who were around when it came out understand the impact it had

[@anti-liberal7167]

@@julesdevall2176 exactly thank you well said