The WORST & BEST BAND in every subgenre (vol 2)

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

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[@xxmega__chronicxx3768]

I made you your 1k in likes

[@noisepollution6761]

Sorry to your dad but industry plants is it going to go away rah rah rah

[@JuynBiets]

Been getting back into Terror over the last couple of months and I completely agree: They are the best hardcore band from the “modern” era.

[@mynameislove1704]

what about stick to your guns?

[@vin_fm2354]

What is the modern era? you could make many cases for so many different times

[@JuynBiets]

@@mynameislove1704 I think they are fantastic too. I think they are just below Terror, I think they have had more influence on the scene

[@JuynBiets]

@@vin_fm2354 I mean this century

[@juugerjuuger3141]

@@mynameislove1704stick to your guns is metal core not hardcore. I think they’re great and love their message but I wouldn’t consider them the best of that genre either personally. But hey to each their own 🤷‍♂️

[@austibu8777]

Hey Finn! I appreciate your approach to genuine, and tongue in cheek content. Most certainly passionate about this art form we all love; and regardless of wether weirdos feel like your dialogue is a personal attack, I feel your level headed approach to the silliness of fanbases as a whole is genuinely healthy for people to experience. It’s important to know it’s not an identity, or hey, maybe they walk away mad at you for not mentioning the deftones appropriately. Thanks for all you do! Bringing smiles to us music nerds

[@matturner6890]

Agreed, we need more music journos/ KZbinrs like him. Finn, if you're reading this, BIG UPS!!

[@TheCivildecay]

First time I hear you mention Rise against. No one seems to mention them these days, while they are so good.

[@petrinafilip96]

I lived and breathed Rise Against in late middle school. Everything up to that album with "Make it Stop"...constant replay for yeaaaars.

[@JasonSimpson-ue7cl]

The sufferer and the witness, man I loved that album. I'm a fan for sure

[@noroom4commies086]

@@JasonSimpson-ue7clthat album is a certified hood classic. 10/10

[@adammtroutman]

I was like 7 when I saw the video for prayer of the refugee and I still remember today lol.

[@tylercherneski1805]

The first two rise against albums are completely Ws. 3rd album still had a few good songs. They just fucked up in later life and destroyed their rep

[@FIVECENTFISH]

Why is the title “the worst and best” when only best are being mentioned

[@lachlanwelsh5880]

Cos some of these bands are the “best” of the worst genres… like with “pop punk” (which is an oxymoron in itself… pop and punk… two words that can’t go together meaningfully)… there is NOThING good about these bands and their ‘music’… destroying the word punk by their very existence… Truly the worst…

[@venomx6802]

@@lachlanwelsh5880it says worst AND best, not of

[@PIZZAdayisback]

​@@lachlanwelsh5880 no, pop punk is better and is more representative of the punk attitude and is easier to take seriously than something like crust punk.

[@solearesoul]

My skater friends and I called NOFX “skate punk” in the 90’s. I didn’t know the term “pop punk” until much later. I never stopped liking them. Punk In Drublic is their best, IMO.

[@needfoolthings]

I think among my friends pop punk came up as a term with All the Small Things and was retroactively applied to Green Day and The Offspring. NOFX and Bad Religion I distinctly remember as bein referred to as real punk. In Germany, we needed thise distinctions early because of the success of Die Toten Hosen and Die Ärzte.

[@MCBard-ru7yu]

I also grew up on the 90s skate punk and called it skate punk back then. Maybe it's because I spent a lot of time at the local skate park listening to this stuff.

[@needfoolthings]

It should also be noted that nobody in their right mind wants to call their favorite genre "pop" anything.

[@bomeesc7480]

fun punk goldene zitronen, ärtze, toten hosen = dad rock. lol@@needfoolthings

[@juugerjuuger3141]

It’s kind of weird to hear that the “real punks” hated NOFX and all that stuff as someone around 10 years younger and growing up in a small town. Closest thing we had to “real punks” were the snowboarder/skater kids a few years older whom me and my friends looked up to. So naturally we thought all that stuff was super cool

[@willrunriot]

I vaguely remember NOFX getting hate, but it was mostly from the older guys in my friend group. I’m 38 now, for reference.

[@grandmasterfash7396]

​@willrunriot I hated them for being too poppy but I've always been an elitist asshole.

[@seanbrennan5469]

I got jumped by some Latino suicidals for warning a jacket with a nofx patch in so cal in 92 ...also got jumped for being a nazi for a Dead Kennedys shirt in '96 in New Orleans .. I still got that shirt

[@ironclaw79]

back in the 90s that fat records /epitaph was called"new school"

[@Gremlack13]

When I was in the gym a lot in 2010/11 I listened to a lot of terror on pandora, on my iPhone 4s. Early days of smartphone streaming. At the time I didn’t realize they were in the hardcore genre. I just thought they were metal I enjoyed. You have schooled me on the deeper genres in music.

[@xCosmonautical]

The vocalist of Discordance Axis is in Gridlink also and their recent album is great for that kind of spastic tech-y grind

[@jeremycunningham7897]

Great stuff. Love that u giving Crass some love! I’m pleased to say that here in the UK their lyrics get highlighted in sociological lectures + modern history courses these days. I grew up listening to em, still love it. Absolutely unlistenable music by intent ha gotta respect that! Cheers :)

[@donnienarco144]

Finn blasting Jouhou by Discordance Axis days after I asked him to. Love this guy ❤

[@donnienarco144]

@autismogamer somebody else must have asked him way before you and me lol. For me its more about coincidence than anything lol.

[@liamfitzgerald7528]

I saw AIC open for Van Hagar in the Tacoma Dome. They had neon Ibanez guitars and were swinging their hair the whole show.

[@andybarker5687]

AIC is low key country glam metal

[@d.klotzzz1383]

​@@andybarker5687Jesus christ. Im not disagreeing with you but that is an insane thing to say.

[@whoami7721]

Yep! Saw Alice In Chains open for Van Hagar on September 11, 1991. This was, of course, just a couple of weeks before Nirvana's Nevermind came out. They weren't called "grunge" or part of the "Seattle Scene", but they were different from all the hair metal on the radio and MTV at the time. "Facelift" is the first music that I ever bought, on cassette, no less.

[@andybarker5687]

@d.klotzzz1383 listen to that song, "Wat ya gonna do when I'm gone"

[@ryanjacobson2508]

Honestly if you took Layne's heroin issue and early death out of the band, I think normies would be much less likely to put them in the "grunge" camp....

[@Luissv72]

"I've never been a fan of classic metal" *shocked pikachu face*

[@mjwbulich]

The irony with Sublime, The Misfits, and Nirvana is that almost no one wore their tshirts when they were actually a band. The Misfits were living hand to mouth when they toured. I started going to punk shows in '82 and if a band had any merch it was usually just cassettes and albums. I'm sure Nirvana had merch at their shows but there's no way Kirk was licensing stuff out to be sold at department stores. I was in my 20s during the early 90s and I can't remember ever seeing a Nirvana shirt. Sublime didn't get big until Bradley was dead. I grew up in Los Angeles. Everyone had '40 oz to Freedom' by the summer of '93. No one had a Sublime shirt until years later.

[@nunyabiz2889]

Snapcase was a personal favorite of mine in the 90s. Always liked Lagwagon, still do. Samiam is still great, imo. I really liked Earth Crisis' "Kill the Machines " and "when gammoras season ends" albums, but haven't listened to them in a long while. Just remember really liking those albums. Guttermouth, Strung Out. I agree that so long, and thanks for all the shoes is among the best records in punk history. I used to live off Fat Wrekchords (?) Compilation albums. (Fat music for fat people volumes) and punk-o-rama epitaph compilations. Good video, man. New subscriber. Thank you.

[@markwrenn5965]

I got to see Terror with Earth Crisis and Shai Hulud back in like 2006. It blew my mind

[@kohhna]

Actually I would disagree with that Crass song, that was cringe and shameful. WIthout going full history lesson here, what that song was written in reaction to was Rock Against Racism and the ANL, the popular cultural and political movement which actually defeated the National Front and pushed open fascism into the fringed of British politics for 40 years (well, not including Northern Ireland but that's a whole other conversation). To me the attitude that is being expressed is the lazy, apathetic anti-politics that likes to call itself Anarchism but actually just fetishises being against anything that requires organisation or effort (which also in more recent times lends itself pretty well to conspiricism).

[@AmiliaCaraMia]

Hard to take this seriously if you're talking about dog whistling.

[@kohhna]

@@AmiliaCaraMia WHat do you mean?

[@matturner6890]

Finn's dead on about Minor Threat. It seems like they're underappreciated now maybe cause their stuff is getting old, but they're really incredible. Awesome production for such a low budget, too.

[@whoami7721]

Finn is 100% right about Minor Threat. What's great is that stuff is over 40 years old now, but you could have a band that sounds like that now and it would still sound intense and current. They were a big influence on my hardcore band, because I don't think you can have a hardcore sound without them.

[@danieldavis3271]

Minor threat 34 songs 8 minutes long I love it lol I would also put Bad brains in a close 2nd with the old school hardcore music

[@chesterfield9682]

20:05 "IN THE MEANTIME!" 🙂 (90s Helmet, tho! Not even sure what genre they would fall under - Alternative metal? Post-hardcore? Shit, I don't know - but Meantime and Betty should surely land them as the best... Something).

[@bookwyrm84]

I have a small opinion about picking nirvana instead of Alice in Chains as the best screamo band. I personally am so played out on nirvana the fact that AIC has more albums is why I like them better. Not that Nirvana is or ever has been bad, I feel like I'm just jaded as they are played on every remotely rock or classic station in colorado

[@astrolopitekos]

That’s those rockers argument that Pearl Jam is the best grunge band because they are still alive

[@MissDeal55]

Comeback Kid up there for new school hardcore for me. Never had a bad album and always mix up their sound

[@ratcoonmx1946]

I had that minor threat CD back in 2008 or so. Bought it in Huntington Beach at a used record store. 0 skips indeed.

[@hussle2654]

Did you buy it at Vinyl Solution or Zed Records? Those were the OG Huntington Beach shops

[@ratcoonmx1946]

@@hussle2654 honestly can’t remember exactly. I was In Huntington for a very short time. Was visiting from Connecticut

[@nicholaskoenig3106]

Spot on! I dont know more than 3/4 of the bands you mentioned, but Im learning to love new rock & metal & punk etc. Thx much!

[@lightningmonky7674]

Finn actually did make a video about grindcore! Power violence was mentioned as well, the real ones know!

[@philsophkenny]

In Ireland I always get these videos around 11 at night going home, one of life's little gems. Heres the thing .Based on this experience I'm extending lifetime to Fin MckDeadly. Love the content my dude.❤

[@sgtbucksauce9129]

I said Nirvana, Ramones, and, Misfits as the words were coming out of your mouth but Sublime made me lol.

[@JohnAdamIan2]

Thank you for highlighting So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes. Was always my favorite nofx record back in the day and no one agreed.

[@HeritageWealthPlanning]

You're WRONG Finn! Just WRONG! How Dare you!

[@xxmega__chronicxx3768]

That’s me (megadude212) made that comment on classic metal singer Ozzy

[@Owlr4ider]

A pretty long segment on progressive metal and you talked about Meshuggah and Djent but not Dream Theater...? Dream Theater is like *the* progressive metal band(rush is progressive rock, not really metal) and they do have some amazing songs and albums, especially their older material. Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory is still 1 of the best metal albums(of all subgenres) of all time, which is incredibly hard to do, especially for a concept album. As far as classic metal goes, your original pick of Judas Priest would have been a fine pick, Iron Maiden would have been the better and more obvious one. Ozzy is great too obviously but I don't think he stands up to those 2.

[@happybeejv]

My favorite grunge band is korn;; my favorite surf music band is morbid angel;; my favorite metalcore band is motorhead;; my favorite yacht rock band is sublime;; my favorite hair metal act is pat benatar;; white rapper is rex Harrison;;; my favorite black metal act is Howard Jones era killswitch;; I can't think of a mall punk screamo band because it encompasses every band, but never fully.

[@permafrostprod1]

Best skate punk band: NOFX Best skate punk album: Smash by The Offsprings Most underated skate punk band: Youth Brigade

[@SconnerStudios]

Wrong. Best band is MGK and best skate punk album is tickets to my downfall.

[@bobbychambless2794]

Man have you talked about The Dead Kennedys on here? The Crass song you played made me think of their song "Anarchy For Sale". I would definitely put them pretty high!

[@jacdixie]

100% agree with everything you said about Minor Threat. I was violently opposed to screaming in music until I bought that discography and it shifted everything for me. I still remember sitting in my mom's car while she was shopping, spinning that on a discman for the first time. Life changing experience in a very mundane situation.

[@Homeslice130]

Bad religion > nofx

[@ryanhoover8130]

Video idea: the music accessibility iceburg. Something like taylor swift at the top and something like torturing nurse at the bottom. And then everything in between and what type of people listen to said music

[@infidelmat]

I never understood the Bad Religion NoFX thing, love both bands but never thought they sounded like they were related in sound

[@atgtrading]

Yeah, they sound way more like RKL.

[@billg708]

For a while, I thought Finn was exaggerating about people in the comment section correcting others about genres, until I made the HORRIBLE mistake of calling Chimaira a metalcore band LMAO.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

RIP

[@mikebane2866]

I understand why he complains about the hordes of nerds

[@jimtobakos1933]

Choosing Periphery as the best anything is a god damn tragedy.

[@zauls.]

As a prog metal fan who actually likes Periphery I completely agree, there are so many better picks. I'd have gone Opeth personally

[@Tamajyn69]

Jfc why does that grindcore song sound someone set up a microphone in the next room over with the doors closed to record and said "fuck it" 😅

[@chronic_johnson_a.r.a.b]

The vocals sound like a Pitbull and a Chihuahua having a rabies fight.

[@billy6098]

The fact that Agnostic Front wasn't mentioned in the Hardcore debate is Criminal

[@cap873]

As a teen in the 90s, Nirvana was easily my favorite grunge band followed by STP and AIC. However, as I've gotten older, AIC has replaced Nirvana at the top and the band I go back to the most. 🤷‍♂️

[@chriswheatley3146]

I'm actually kind of surprised that Opeth, Dream Theater, or even Fates Warning wasn't picked for Progressive Metal. Don't get me wrong, Periphery is great, but they aren't as iconic as some of the other bands. Messugah I never really cared for as their singer always sounded like nails on a chalkboard. As for Grunge, anyone who doesn't say Nirvana is a poser 😜 For classic metal, there are quite a few really tough choices there: Ozzy, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Dio, etc, etc.. the list can go on and on

[@TrueMithrandir]

and Discordance Axis OWNED! definitely my favorite Grindcore band during the 90s

[@Scrinwaipwr]

18:15 Ozzy Osbourne also championed rap metal and did guest vocals on a lot of rap metal songs including by Wu-Tang Clan and Busta Rhymes (both also had Tommy Iommi playing guitar) and Crystal Method (which had DMX and ODB doing the rapping) for the South Park: Chef Aid soundtrack, probably *the* album most responsible for getting me into punk and metal (with the Beavis & Butthead Do America soundtrack a close second.)

[@DALEK138]

Back in ‘97 or ‘98 I got jumped by 2 dudes who saw my Hatebreed hoodie and thought it meant I was a racist 😂. Good times

[@mikebane2866]

I remember thinking they were a white supremacist band when I was a teenager so I avoided them lmfao tho I secretly had a couple of their songs on my iPod 🤐

[@necromora666]

Creed is my favorite post hard core industrial acid jazz pop folk R&B band

[@cap873]

You forgot Gospel in your description. 😂

[@necromora666]

@@cap873 Puddle Of Mudd is my favorite Rock Opera Grind core Jazz Gospel Hip hop group 💁🏻‍♀️

[@cap873]

@@necromora666 😂

[@skippy8696]

Never heard Discordance Axis before but that sound bite sounds eerily similar to early Cryptopsy.

[@freeheeler00]

I was a huge AIC fan back in the early 90's (I graduated HS in 94). That dirty metal grunge sound just blew me away. Looking back on it all now though, I agree that Nirvana is the right answer. They literally changed music over night.

[@Crowbar11115]

I first heard Periphery when the Icarus Lives Instrumental track came out. No hate to Spencer but I was immediately disappointed to hear them with a vocalist. Much prefer their sound without a singer.

[@palmersteven0]

The very first time I pulled into high school after getting my license in 2008 I had One With the Underdogs full volume and even timed the breakdown perfectly when I was pulling in with the windows down so all the normies could see how down with the core I was.

[@jasonkeely7269]

I have so many embarrassing memories of "fumbling badies" with my obnoxious punk gatekeeping snobbery 😭😭🤦

[@jesuisunstroopwafel]

We need a tier list of genres by how necessary they are.

[@carterbennettmusic8948]

This video was so freaking good. (20mimute video posted 1 minute ago)

[@corykphotography]

I understand this.

[@psc502]

Best 90s Hardcore album Burning Inside by My Own Victim. They changed later but I think you would really dig their early stuff.

[@CyrissSmith-w9t]

Judas Priest is my favorite of the original metal bands. When I was a kid I listened to stuff like them, Metallica, and Black Sabbath. I also listened to stuff like Static X and System of a Down. It was a few years later when I got into pop punk and I was even older when I got into other punk like NOFX. Now I listen to all of the shit I mentioned still but mainly folk punk.

[@gosselinkfinecarpentry9786]

My brother put on a show in the basement of his apartment somehwere around 1996 or 97 in Bloomfield NJ with saves the day, a new found glory and H2O

[@Brando-Lee3725]

Assuck and Spazz were cool grindcore . Carcass early stuff too . But Napalm Death was my first intro to it . But to me it was just crazy death metal when I heard it first . There wasn't a billion and a half sub genres so much back then .

[@mykodemgrzybodem]

Make a series where you take 10 songs that every "elitist" will listen when they preach one sub at the time - i would love to see concept of seeing "ipod" with 10 songs list on reapet as many people shared same songs it would nostalgia part too 😇

[@samhill618]

Ozzy also did rap not that you asked (on a Was Not Was track). For those of us into hardcore and alt rock in the 80's who had to deal with hair metal fans in college this was the best

[@mikedelvalle931]

I think All the Small Things is good and more popular, but Dammit is the pinnacle Pop-Punk song by Blink.

[@mynameislove1704]

i would go with what's my age again

[@mikedelvalle931]

@@mynameislove1704 I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I get it. For me it's a little personal bias too. It was the first Blink song I ever heard, it resonated with me at 14-15 years old.

[@bakon180]

@@mynameislove1704same, honestly I think all the small things is the only thing that drops enema from a 10 to a 9.5 imo

[@AZ_sports_are_better]

​@@bakon180This right here!

[@noelc8927]

I agree with Dammit. Also, personal fave is Man Overboard

[@Tstdamo1]

Hey look man, a vote for Terror IS a vote for Hatebreed in a way, because Frank who plays in Hatebreed as rhythm guitarist (2006 to current) also founded Terror, so, best of both worlds!

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

99% sure scott and nick started the band. Todd came next i believe

[@Tstdamo1]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA they did but Frank was around in some way since the beginning. He was also involved with the founding of Ringworm and Integrity.

[@salinagrrrl69]

Green Day? They even still alive? Time moves fast.

[@d13aga1n]

IDK - I grew up in the 90s (class of 97) in So Cal and was obsessed with NOFX, Lagwagon, Face to Face etc . I don't recall the term "poppunk" existing back then (granted skate punk didn't exist either - it was just punk). I don't remember them getting a lot of hate either - but then again I was a teenager and probably didn't know "real" punks. I thought I was one but /shrug. I really don't recall the term pop punk until the TRL days of Blink etc. Punk bands on the radio got a lot of hate, like Greenday and Offspring, but not NOFX. They were legit to all the kids I knew growing up in Huntington Beach.

[@joshuaprietophoto]

Minor Threat is such a legit pick. I agree, can't think of a bad song by them. All the other greats definitely have some stinkers.

[@matthewmohri9990]

Finn when it comes to Punk what do you think about the band Sin Dios? Just saw Brainiac play a few weeks ago here in S.A. and damn they were amazing(R.I.P Timothy Taylor)and even though Timmy died in 1996. Seeing them play and hearing Kate from Lung sing "Cracked Machine" with them floored me. I was able to talk to John for quite a bit about music and Brainiac's history, I told him how I saw them when I was like 20 or 21 at The COG Factory when they were touring for Hissing Prigs in Static Couture. Hey Finn I came up with my Ideal 90's Indie Rock Festival Line Up. If you like to read the list let me know what you think of it. 1st Brainiac 2nd Tanner 3rd No Knife 4th Chavez 5th Slint 6th Drive Like Jehu(Love their 1st album 2nd was okay to me) 7th Polvo 8th Mousetrap 9th Sunbrain 10th Archers of Loaf 11th Nectarine 12th Superchunk. 13th Opium Taylor I have an idea of the order the bands would play but Brainiac would probably headline. Slint, Mousetrap, and Nectarine would be better at night to play before Brainiac. I know this is my fanboy ideal list and order.

[@Tenmitsudou]

I love Brainiac, I never would have expected to see them mentioned on this channel. So thank you! (so lucky you got so see them live, and talk to John. I'd like to know more about the tunings they used and why) I like your Indie list, I would add Shellac and Guided by Voices

[@matthewmohri9990]

@@Tenmitsudou John explained his tuings to me. He was never a trained musician. S he just tuned his guitar however he wanted in multiple ways, he didn't care about the constraints of conventional rules for music when learning. John's a very nice person, I felt, when meeting him after years of listening to Brainiac it felt like I was listening to a friend I hadn't talked too in years.

[@BatDance666]

Oh boy I'm hoping for a download fest lineup vid, thing has me baffled

[@synthwavesun2450]

First time seeing one of your videos early as a new fan...just wanted to say, I really like your content. Keep it up.

[@mattymurdo4134]

What I love most about this channel is that someone actually still talks about this music in 2024 ... Lovu u bro , keep it up

[@xConr.]

My old college tutor also told me that he fucking saw Pantera with Suicidal Tendencies because we were discussing lyrics and i said "all i wanted was a pepsi" and my jaw almost hit the floor Like, what a fucking show that wouldve been

[@AaronMorgan666]

Holy shit! The fuckin highs from that grindcore band! New highs to strive for! That band and trevors highs from black daliah murder. Love Trevor's vocals so much!

[@jasondorst13]

You forgot the Wu Tang t shirt company!

[@nukkleargarlicbread]

I prefer Bad Religion but even I have to acknowledge that NOFX are the GOATs of skate punk. So glad I was able to catch them for their final Sydney show. It was probably the best gig I've been to so far.

[@beauwilliamson3628]

We used 'skatepunk' as a genre in the late 80s, so probably earlier than what you suggest. At the time, the top band was Husker Du. Just saying, cause I was still in the 'if it's not fast its crap' phase, and my skater friends had better taste than me.

[@AblissMusic]

While I'm OBSESSED with Green Day, I would admit that you did make a fair point as to why you said Blink is the best pop-punk band haha. They definitely are one of the more iconic pop-punk bands, where most of Green Day's music is more alt rock/alt punk. But when it came to skate punk, personally I think MxPx is the best

[@nw666tube]

Lolll so hard at “Ozzy is overrated” (and also Finn’s black sabbath take gave me a chuckle but to each their own)

[@loompy1440]

Have u ever heard the grindpunk band mycoxafloppin? You can only make it out depending on the thickness of the fabric- I mean thickness of the blast beats on the track. Blast meats… wiener. I agree about the periphery being stand outs in the prog world right now. ❤️

[@rebd00mer93]

When you said pop punk but before you played the video or continued talking I immediately knew it was Blink and the video was all the small things because of the white pants in the blurry image. I've seen that video SOOOO many times I immediately knew Blink was what you were gonna say. 😂

[@misteress3840]

Devin Townsend Project is my vote for best Prog Metal artist. One of my favorite artists period. Periphery is great but Devy’s greater. Too genre bending for the best in category? Dunno? Love him. Prolific. Great live performer and nice guy. Frickin brilliant! As for Minor Threat, Terror, Ozzy, etc. are all on target. Great picks, Finn!

[@UnhumanNewman]

Finn saying NOFX is better than Bad Religion is his worst take ever

[@andrewwagner8939]

Yes. Yes it is.

[@xXMachineGunPhillyXx]

Grunge was the last truly great rock. All four bands are classic rock bands. Legends.

[@mackenzieduncan4927]

So Mall punk and Mall emo are basically songs that you would hear on the radio. I guess butt rock should also be called Mall rock

[@Liam8VIII]

Wow! I'd never checked out Discordance Axis until now - feel like I'm running from 100 people who are shooting at me with nailguns.

[@markwrenn5965]

Minor Threat is my all time favorite old school hardcore band. Bad Brains a close number 2. Nice to see them get the respect.

[@QuincyKane]

When it comes to all the "Djent" bands, I definitely think it's Periphery, but if we're focusing on the actual "Progressive" elements, I think an argument could be made for Between the Buried and Me; although I would agree that Periphery is probably the most successful band in the overall genre.

[@Draugheim]

I agree with you, if its just between the djent bands. But if we're talking progressive metal as a whole, its clearly DT. I mean.. They kind of are the genre, and has been carrying it on their shoulders since the early 90s. Im excluding the djenters here, as they sound so completely different that it doesnt make sense for me to compare them.

[@drinkinouttacups2665]

​@@Draugheim that would be true if dt wasn't torture to listen to

[@Draugheim]

@@drinkinouttacups2665 Live? I would agree that labrie is awful, and has been for the last twenty years or so. But instrumentally and musically, they are some of the best. At the end of the day, its just preference. But that doesnt change the fact that they are the godfather of prog metal.

[@QuincyKane]

@@Draugheim Yeah, Dream Theater is a respectable answer for Prog Metal as well, maybe even a better answer than BTBAM. I certainly listen to BTBAM more than DT, and I think they've been very consistent in releasing good quality music while simultaneously changing their sound, but I know DT laid the foundation.

[@dbark9231]

Literally came here to say this exact thing.

[@anothersettlementneedsyour9628]

I will never look at death magnetic album cover the same because of you.

[@gkezele]

Nirvana is the correct answer for the best Grunge band. yes. However, AiC is a better band overall, IMO. Not just because they are more "metal" but to be, their themes and lyrics hit a lot harder and fit the sound as well. They can make a fully acoustic song "heavy".

[@slayabouts]

Minor Threat absolutely is the best old school hardcore band, all other opinions are wrong An under-appreciated modern hardcore band is Western Addiction, they’re definitely worth a listen For progressive metal, I feel like you listened to the wrong Protest The Hero album. The previous one, Kezia, was in between their pop punk and progressive metal phases so it had this awesome mix of the two genres

[@slayabouts]

Also, I always liked Alice In Chains the most because I am in fact a nerd who likes metal. Nirvana is the objectively the best though

[@TheMitcher707]

Damn I had completely forgotten about western addiction. Thank you.

[@slayabouts]

@@TheMitcher707 no problem. They came out with a new album either last year or the year before, but the mix is kind of off to me and the songs aren’t as good as they are on Tremulous

[@jonathanfriedman7430]

Unpopular Opinion: although blink is the defining band, the “Welcome to the Black Parade” of pop punk is “Ocean Avenue” by Yellowcard

[@TheOtherCaleb]

How dare you not choose Lagwagon and satisfy my unending need for acceptance!!!

[@DM-mb3uz]

100% accurate on the Todd Jones era Terror. Plus he was in Betrayed AND Knife Fight

[@M.H691]

Bold pick w/ Crass; I love them too but I don't think I could put together an album's worth of music that I really rate. They are like Throbbing Gristle for me - really interesting, huge cultural influence, but musically? Meh... Whereas 'Never Mind The Bollocks' is perfect. PERFECT

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Valid take!

[@mattmiller7990]

I'm bummed that you didn't stick with your original pick for best traditional metal band, as Judas Priest is straight up my favourite band and have the most consistent discography over their 50 year career of any of the other big names in classic metal. That said, picking Ozzy is still based, as that 6 album run from his solo debut, through No More Tears, is maybe the gold standard for mainstream metal in the genre's golden age. It's just a shame he sort of fell off after that.

[@zanebarrett3728]

Periphery dude? Yikes that was a rough one. Lol

[@kodokushi4701]

Whoa, i was not expecting Periphery at all 🔥. They gon pour Hatorade all over you after the game, Coach Finn.

[@Theycallmemusicole]

I do believe that it was first Nirvana, then Pearl jam, then soundgarden, then alice in chains by sales.

[@ShieldYoung]

I believe Soundgarden is better than Nirvana And I'm going home now And happy birthday to the one who helped starting it all Tony Iommi

[@septemberkidzzz]

I'm too "young" to appreciate most old shcool hardcore, mostly because of the production standards back then, but I'll listen to Minor Threat front to back any day!

[@mikebane2866]

As far as real punk bands go, you’re on point with Crass, but No Trend was also a great band that trolled the punk scene and called out its conformist bullshit. One of their songs explicitly does so “Kiss Ass to Your Peer Group” (on YT the best version shows the album cover of “The Shaggs”) and “Punker” too. As far as a catchier song, I’d say “Family Style” is something I like to return to, especially as I’ve now conformed to the “family style” myself 😂

[@steved1387]

No Trend is awesome! "Too Many Humans" is in my Top 10 punk albums, or at least punk-adjacent. "Reality Breakdown" is probably my fave track from them.