Fire-able Offense --- CNC Trepanning and Rope Threading on the Okuma Lathe

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@userwl2850
@userwl2850 11 ай бұрын
I'm almost ready to start work. I'll see you soon. Through coolant. Happy New year to you all. 👏🏻👏🏻
@meocats
@meocats 5 жыл бұрын
is the slug really worth that much? in your other video you just drilled it thru with a 4" kennametal drill
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Each job has many different variables. This material is a bit harder and harder to drill. Trepanning is easier on the machine especially if you got 1000 pieces or more to drill. Slug will only be worth if we find a good job for that material. Which we will sooner or later.
@joshualegault1095
@joshualegault1095 5 жыл бұрын
I'd say it a huge waste of time
@jeffgreenfield7025
@jeffgreenfield7025 5 жыл бұрын
Can't quite tell which version OSP that is, but the newer ones actually have a anti-chatter function built in to the control, it varies the spindle speed at a set amount to reduce chatter and harmonics. There is even a optional microphone you can plug in to the USB so the control can measure the cut frequency and adjust.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
OSP-P300L I've tried getting the anti-chatter function going but can't figure it out.
@jeffgreenfield7025
@jeffgreenfield7025 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop I can look on Tuesday, but there was a spindle oscillation parameter that goes with the mcode.
@Anon_Omis
@Anon_Omis 5 жыл бұрын
What is a rope thread and what are its applications? I tried googling it but didnt find much.
@flaplaya
@flaplaya 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like a very coarse thread that is similar to an acme thread
@jjflounder1
@jjflounder1 5 жыл бұрын
Test piece looked like a piece of rebar ..... I'm guessing that's a coupling for welding rebar together or welding something to rebar ....????
@flaplaya
@flaplaya 5 жыл бұрын
Tensile Strength Jig most likely.. Just a guess :)
@malthusdarmus1257
@malthusdarmus1257 5 жыл бұрын
It's for threading rope dumbass.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
@@malthusdarmus1257 Hahaha That made be spit my coffee out. Rope thread is used in large steel construction to anchor buildings, airports, dams, skyscrapers. Rebar in these large buildings threaded and our parts connect long lengths of this bar that goes all the way up on a skyscraper. We also make transition couplers with 2 different size threads in one.
@mjoconr
@mjoconr 5 жыл бұрын
Why not use a udril ? Asking to understand the reasoning.
@TheWireEDM
@TheWireEDM 5 жыл бұрын
Saving material for other use by not turning it to chips. Trepanning also helps in having less force required to cut through large diameters, thus enabling the work to be done on smaller machines.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Jaakko Fagerlund knows what he is talking about. In this case the load on the machine was less because of cutting smaller area than with a drill. Drill has to remove all of the material in one shot this tool cuts only the strip of material.
@campbellmorrison8540
@campbellmorrison8540 5 жыл бұрын
But how do you reference the center with the stock being clamped on an un-machined surface? When you reverse the stock you cant get the work recentered?
@jeepmanxj
@jeepmanxj 5 жыл бұрын
Probably a huge tolerance for mismatch.
@johnthomas5166
@johnthomas5166 5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it isn't necessary to turn the OD before doing ID work. It all depends on what the print says. They are holding the material with a very long set of jaws so the "out if roundness" of the stock will be averaged over the whole part
@BobJones-cr1pl
@BobJones-cr1pl 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought. Should show i.d. Reference if there was any . Serious thread cutting. Must have been OK for the customer.....they made a bunch of 'em.
@Gottenhimfella
@Gottenhimfella 5 жыл бұрын
You can hear in the first few passes of the thread-cutting operation that the work is not running true at the far end. But evidently the tolerance is sufficient to accommodate the worst practical case. (It's taking glorified re-bar, after all....)
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Yea in this case the tolerance is big for the thread and as you can see in the end the thread gage is very loose and that's what the customer wants. First time we ran this job I cut all the way thru and cut the thread in one set up, but long tools cause more headaches we changed to this way and it works just as well.
@philipdixon
@philipdixon 5 жыл бұрын
so, you machined the outer rads with the wrong profile tool, you core drilled instead of U-Drilling it, you bored it halfway and turned it round and held on an unfinished rough diameter even though you had a boring tool long enough to go right thru. I'd wonder at the cycle time for this...
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
I love these type of comments. I'll explain my reasoning for all aspects. Outer radius was done by the unused CNMG edge in a facing tool. I have thousands of these inserts with standard edge used but not this edge. Plus this edge holds up 3x longer. Trepanning instead of drilling because machine can't push drilling fast enough. I go faster with trepanning because of lower load........ I do have a homemade drill that is ready to go. I will take test cuts soon. Boring halfway is preferable whenever you can get away with it. Shorter tool longer tool life always. The tolerance for the ID is rather open and as long as the test rod threads thru very easily it is good. Cycle time is around 15 minutes at this time. We are half way thru a 1500 part order. Interested in your opinion on the threading.
@squatchhammer7215
@squatchhammer7215 5 жыл бұрын
Only way I can think of to improve threading is to use two tools for the job. Have one to remove a lot of the material and have a finisher to cut it to size.
@zviper
@zviper 5 жыл бұрын
@@squatchhammer7215 Why waste time and money on extra inserts, when its a thread for rebar? Makes no sense if it works already.
@thrustprop67
@thrustprop67 5 жыл бұрын
I was guessing you didn't run coolant so viewers would see the machining operation better ,,, but wasn't sure . thanks for your response .
@ActiveAtom
@ActiveAtom 5 жыл бұрын
Hi now that is one styling set of custom vise jaws, another reason we need to still learn how to use this welder we bought 3 years ago. Looks like coolant through everything though just funnin. Really nice internal threading work, big ass threads at that. Thank you. Lance & Patrick.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
You gotta be very very very very careful when welding jaws. Many machinists will say it's a big no-no. I trust our welder plus we chamfer the edges so there is deep penetration on both welded surfaces.
@bob778_6
@bob778_6 5 жыл бұрын
Adding in notes like that can be very useful especially if you are getting another Machinst/Apprentice to run the job who just need a little reminder of what the process is and what action needs to occur next. We also have a note telling the Apprentice to stop deleting a specific program in the machine that he deleted a few times while he was still learning lol.
@pyrobeav2005
@pyrobeav2005 5 жыл бұрын
Add notes for your own sake when you need to run that file two years later!
@keithlucas6260
@keithlucas6260 5 жыл бұрын
Had to put notes in like that myself....plus adding several "M00's after it with more notes just in case someone's "autopilot" mode was kicking in.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Keith Lucas You couldn't be more right. I'm not worried about an operator making a mistake on the 1st or 10th part but like you say when his "autopilot" mode kicks in and he's on part 666 on day 12 that's when the shit hits the fan. Sound like you've been there done that. Sometimes you just can't make programs idiot proof enough.
@akfarmboy49
@akfarmboy49 5 жыл бұрын
I really like your trepanning tool. What kinda insert do you use.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Sandvik drilling inserts.
@mehmettemel8725
@mehmettemel8725 5 жыл бұрын
4140 Black bar is not as expensive as 4140 peeled bar and trepanning is slower than u-drilling so is it worth saving a small diameter core material to sacrifice cycle time since the quantity looks high.Unless machine power is not adequate for u-drilling.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Yea the machine is a beast on the 50 horse power spindle but can't push hard enough on the Z axis.
@mannycalavera121
@mannycalavera121 5 жыл бұрын
I'm running a job in 254 smo atm, 220 diameter bar. About $12+ per mm. We're only using the outer 15mm, rest is being u drilled and bored. Can't buy it in tube. Can only imagine the money to be save using a trepanning tool. Also, his do you maintain sync while reducing the RPM? I've tried this on the NTX and it's lost sync.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
I think you'd save a lot.
@davidb6576
@davidb6576 5 жыл бұрын
This seems like tube is available: www.materials.sandvik/en/materials-center/material-datasheets/tube-and-pipe-seamless/sandvik-254-smo/
@braddavis4377
@braddavis4377 5 жыл бұрын
How are the slugs recycled? Its looks like the slugs are a only a few step way from being finished parts themselves?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
We will use them on a future job one that is smaller than the slug.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 5 жыл бұрын
Great work as usual 👏🏻👍
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Your Manual Trepanning videos inspired me to try it on the CNC.
@wheelitzr2
@wheelitzr2 5 жыл бұрын
Which one of you came up with the treppaning design?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
wheelitzr2 I think the ancient Egyptians did.
@wheelitzr2
@wheelitzr2 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop that I actually believe.
@willyharris4199
@willyharris4199 2 жыл бұрын
Could someone dumb down what rope threading is for me?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 2 жыл бұрын
Rope threading is used in large construction projects like skyscrapers and dams and bridges. The couplers we make hold long rope threaded bars together in a pillon consiting of a dozen of these large bars. The thread is desinged to have flex and space for movement between the minor and major thread. Very strong but flexible thread.
@willyharris4199
@willyharris4199 2 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop thanks a lot
@generalfacts7652
@generalfacts7652 5 жыл бұрын
absolutely great machining... i never knew about trepanning before watch this video.. we use only U Drill.. but now came to know that there is another better replacement for the U drill... can i get this Trepanning tool in outside market?? how much is the Diameter of the Trepanning tool
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. Trepanning is not always a better option in this case it helps because it cuts easier and I can push the machine a bit faster than with a Drill. I've tried many different drills and they all run slow because machine can't push hard enough for this material. Josef my milling master just made a "Homemade" drill that I will be trying this week. I'll keep posted.
@davesalzer3220
@davesalzer3220 5 жыл бұрын
I’d sure love to have a handful of those cores. I dig that rebar thread thing, what are they used for if you don’t mind sharing that info?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Large construction. These particular ones are going to an airport rebuild. Multi year project.
@thrustprop67
@thrustprop67 5 жыл бұрын
why don't you run the coolant on every operation,,, I isn't a machinist just curious.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Just for video purposes where I can get away without it. On the regular the coolant is blasting every operation.
@jepkeklinge3778
@jepkeklinge3778 4 жыл бұрын
against what do you push your bar? what do u use as a material stop?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 4 жыл бұрын
We made a custom chuck plug with a step and a bore large enough for the threading tool to pass. Good question.
@jepkeklinge3778
@jepkeklinge3778 4 жыл бұрын
Could you pls make a picture or make a video about it? Or maybe u have instagram?
@christurnblom4825
@christurnblom4825 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still pretty green and just learning about material costs. Is it preferable to do this whenever possible due to the re-usability of the slug?I ask because I'm working in my first legit. job shop and they throw away so much material. some of it I understand and some I don't it seems like it would be preferable to find uses or, at least a buyer for a lot of the stuff that they recycle and toss out. Right now it's great for me though because I have a small mill/lathe combo & trying to get my own side-hustle going so their scrap is helping me out a lot. The won't even let me pay for it.
@FreeOfFantasy
@FreeOfFantasy 5 жыл бұрын
If you do slug removal it's a lot easier on your tooling and goes faster. Machine time is money and carbide is expensive.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Speed is the key always on production jobs. In this case the trepanning is going faster than drilling because I can push it faster. The slugs are just a nice bonus.
@Davemcmasters
@Davemcmasters 5 жыл бұрын
Do you reuse the slugs?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Yes of course, that is a big reason to working this way. We get many valuable pieces of material left over instead of chips.
@Davemcmasters
@Davemcmasters 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop I never knew what trepanning was until I watched your video. The jobs you post look interesting and I would kill to work on the stuff you make but I'm all the way in buffalo new york lol
@Thewaldo12345
@Thewaldo12345 5 жыл бұрын
No material certs on the slugs so worthless. Should just use a big inserted drill and get it over with.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
You're joking No? All this material is certified going to build an airport.
@RandomNumber141
@RandomNumber141 5 жыл бұрын
MarTool Does the certification carry over to the leftover slugs?
@HaqqAttak
@HaqqAttak 5 жыл бұрын
No thru coolant on the thread? Or would that not really work?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
I always prefer thru coolant but in this case it was 100% necessary.
@manishkainth95
@manishkainth95 5 жыл бұрын
Tool is not taking load of cutting and vibranting
@knowltek
@knowltek 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice..David Wilks..will Appreciate this... cheers 🍻
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 3 жыл бұрын
I'm editing a new CNC trepanning video. New Trepan about twice this size.
@jaytee6889
@jaytee6889 5 жыл бұрын
So what was the reason for not using an inserted drill does the machine not have the power for a drill at size or is it cost efficient to make your own tool just curious
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
We tried a few drills before this and all of them cause too much load on the Z axis. I have a "homemade" drill that I will try later this week. The slug is just an exra bonus.
@tomituononen7192
@tomituononen7192 5 жыл бұрын
What size its that hole?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
2.9" 73mm
@tomituononen7192
@tomituononen7192 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop yes its big then
@SuperYellowsubmarin
@SuperYellowsubmarin 5 жыл бұрын
That thread is a serious job !
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Big job of ours. Got them running about 5 years ago and still use the inserts and tools on the daily.
@Tresoroeffnung
@Tresoroeffnung Жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@michaelrogers1036
@michaelrogers1036 5 жыл бұрын
What are you doing with the cores?
@Bibibosh
@Bibibosh 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Rogers he feeds them to the homeless!
@Malphazar
@Malphazar 5 жыл бұрын
Holy Harmonics batman! why are you cutting that all in one go? my ears!!
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
I like to give the viewers the feeling of the cut. I could put music on the videos but then I get shit for my music choice. Nothing sweeter than the sound of cutting metal. Most of the time vibration is a big issue but in this case the tool was cutting and the inserts were lasting so I let it run.
@MolesNoMoreEurekaMO
@MolesNoMoreEurekaMO 4 жыл бұрын
When I run big Sandvik Corodrills into tough materials, I get the whole shop pissed at me. I tell them that is the sound of money!!
@cray2602
@cray2602 5 жыл бұрын
Coring vs drilling - drilling is much less $ almost every time. Unless you are dealing with exotic metals or very large diameters.
@jeremybailey6786
@jeremybailey6786 5 жыл бұрын
Explain why please.
@cray2602
@cray2602 5 жыл бұрын
@@jeremybailey6786 Many reasons - The cost of the metal saved in a core does not usually offset the cost of the extra time it takes to tre-pan vs drilling and boring. Also when coring out a plug chip removal can become a huge problem and expensive broken tools are the end result. If it was more cost effective it would be the norm. In some unique situations it is more cost effective, but not usually. Metal machining has been around a long time, not much new under the sun anymore.
@jeremybailey6786
@jeremybailey6786 5 жыл бұрын
Got ya. Thanks.
@jeepmanxj
@jeepmanxj 5 жыл бұрын
I can run a way bigger trepan than I can drill.
@grahamcifuentes4451
@grahamcifuentes4451 5 жыл бұрын
There is a worldwide industry making slugger cutters for magnetic drills who would emphatically disagree with you!
@Raptorman0909
@Raptorman0909 5 жыл бұрын
The sound of the boring bar is like a 1950's horror movie soundtrack!
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Once I got used to it I can nap with the noise here.
@aubreyaub
@aubreyaub 5 жыл бұрын
Why is Hollow Bar not used?
@marclaky384
@marclaky384 5 жыл бұрын
Alloy pipe or tube is really expensive. We made components out of 4.5" OD 4140 with a profiled bore. Tube vs billet was double the price. The time for drilling with custom made drills outweighed material costs.
@xenonram
@xenonram 5 жыл бұрын
@Adam Monster That doesn't make sense. A lot more work goes into producing pipe/tubing.
@brandonbaeten6547
@brandonbaeten6547 5 жыл бұрын
@@xenonram agreed. it is cheaper to hollow out solid stock than get tubing in that grade (or most grades)
@BamaRailfan
@BamaRailfan 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Have you run into any issues with concintricity on the minor diameter of the threads? Large tolerance?
@BamaRailfan
@BamaRailfan 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a QC tech so these questions bug me. Lol.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty open tolerance so the slight step is not an issue. These get threaded on 20-24 foot bars so they ask that they are somewhat loose.
@t.d.mich.7064
@t.d.mich.7064 5 жыл бұрын
The fit is definitely "somewhat loose" ! You achieved your customers request!
@sawantjaydeep72
@sawantjaydeep72 5 жыл бұрын
That's a great video sir . Thanks for sharing with us . Will you provide me the tool making details and the sample program for trepanning. Thanks and best of luck for the future projects. Also waiting for the new information from your side .Have a nice day ahead
@beanshooter5784
@beanshooter5784 5 жыл бұрын
how did you disable the door interlock on the okuma? we have the interlocks on our haas machines disabled but apparently no one can figure out the okumas...
@Green95LX
@Green95LX 5 жыл бұрын
Unbolt the male piece of the safety interlock switch and insert it into the switch.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know what you are talking about. I say if you don't know how to disable interlocks you probably shouldn't. Very dangerous and not at all recommended to anybody.
@Green95LX
@Green95LX 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop Valid point
@beanshooter5784
@beanshooter5784 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop i say you dont have many brain cells left if you think we dont know how to disable after i just told you we have the haas machines done
@ChrisMaj
@ChrisMaj 5 жыл бұрын
@@beanshooter5784 did you read your first comment? You're the one that said no one can figure out the okumas, so I don't know about your brain cells.
@kevinbowers3917
@kevinbowers3917 5 жыл бұрын
Love the voice, "Zala mAchine". Cheers,ed.
@waynec369
@waynec369 5 жыл бұрын
Hardly any chatter in either operation. Very quiet. Nice.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Got it even better after the video. Just about finished with the 1000 pc order. Got nice different jobs coming soon.
@imms74
@imms74 5 жыл бұрын
Really nice set up!!! Just curious, how did you sync your threading cycle when lowering the speed as it gets deeper in the cut.
@85CEKR
@85CEKR 5 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking he has an option on his okuma, I forget what they call it, but it allows you change rpm and keep the threads synced.
@freecali6506
@freecali6506 5 жыл бұрын
Constant surface speed g96
@imms74
@imms74 5 жыл бұрын
aaron bernadr can’t use g96 in a canned threading cycle
@Duplex500
@Duplex500 5 жыл бұрын
@@freecali6506 go back to school
@nikolaiownz
@nikolaiownz 5 жыл бұрын
GJ what okuma is that ?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Okuma LBX4000 EX2 50 Horse Beast
@Макс-н5р1л
@Макс-н5р1л 5 жыл бұрын
А че трубу не судьба купить ?
@dimehbonics9974
@dimehbonics9974 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome Job!! 👍🏻👍🏻
@adamscott7208
@adamscott7208 5 жыл бұрын
Will you upload and milling videos soon?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Sure I've got some coming.
@adamscott7208
@adamscott7208 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop legend
@rufusleers
@rufusleers 5 жыл бұрын
I'm curious what this part is for lol.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Large construction. These couplers keep large buildings anchored to the ground.
@evildrome
@evildrome 5 жыл бұрын
Good video. Not sure about the mutant welded chuck jaws. Whatever gets you there I suppose!
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
These jaws are 50% of the formula to get the thread done. Have to contact as much part surface as possible.
@evildrome
@evildrome 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop I guess. That full depth cut must really challenge the rigidity of the setup. Hence the extended jaws . You didn't consider multiple passes with a narrower cutting insert? Is the insert you use custom ground? I've never seen one like it.
@jonjuke6849
@jonjuke6849 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop those are modified jaws ,you can't buy those anywhere .Some people never seen that before ,great job on your jaws and your machining skills
@tenlittleindians
@tenlittleindians 5 жыл бұрын
Why no coolant during much of the machining?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
I try to film without coolant whenever I can get away with it so yall can see the cuts. Usually cut everything on the lathe with much coolant.
@8760-x8z
@8760-x8z 5 жыл бұрын
Nice work. I’m a former Okuma engineer and loved visiting shops like yours. Doing what it takes to get the job done, push the button and let ‘er eat! Bet you don’t use that touch setter much with those jaws....
@tubok
@tubok 5 жыл бұрын
I mean just gotta take one the jaw off to touch all the tools off, then put the jaw back on
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not I don't ever use my touch setters on any of our CNC lathes. I always set up the tools off the workpiece. Never trust the setter as much as actually measuring what the tool cuts.
@СтаниславХрамцов-ю5и
@СтаниславХрамцов-ю5и 5 жыл бұрын
Very good job!
@3rdaxis649
@3rdaxis649 5 жыл бұрын
Is this in India?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
No NJ USA
@3rdaxis649
@3rdaxis649 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop lol no way, I work at Singlepoint Precision in Boonton. Haha
@jackcann360
@jackcann360 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t get a treepaning tool instead of a drill 🤷🏻‍♂️
@Anon_Omis
@Anon_Omis 5 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert, but my guess is you save material.
@Chris-du7hi
@Chris-du7hi 5 жыл бұрын
op replied above not enough Z axis thrust for an indexable drill
@biggawinnacrapsa3870
@biggawinnacrapsa3870 5 жыл бұрын
Well, you have to learn to spell it first.
@croyce7699
@croyce7699 5 жыл бұрын
In another comment he said it places less load on the machine, which means smaller machines may be able to do the job (because the cut surface is much smaller) and also, you're left with a usable 'offcut' at the end, rather than just useless chips.
@jonjuke6849
@jonjuke6849 5 жыл бұрын
@@croyce7699 I think ur right ,if u don't have a strong machine with enough horse power ,it's gonna be difficult drilling strong solid metals
@ChatJokey
@ChatJokey 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder, how much rigidity this lathe has.
@Alexander_Santamaria
@Alexander_Santamaria 5 жыл бұрын
Used to work for a threading company making 9 5/8" pipe casing for the oil fields in Canada. Place worked continental hours, Okuma's were threading 364/365 days a year, 24 hrs a day. Lot of respect for the durability of these things
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
The Okuma is my favorite brand I've used. Everyday I turn the switch and they turn on and ready to work. No warm up just go. Also very forgiving when bumped.
@MagnetOnlyMotors
@MagnetOnlyMotors 5 жыл бұрын
Those look like dedicated jaws for this job.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Made for this job but used on many others as well.
@aminnami7577
@aminnami7577 5 жыл бұрын
good job
@daryllemire6503
@daryllemire6503 2 жыл бұрын
I dont get why this is a fireable offense?
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 2 жыл бұрын
That was a joke mostly. But if whoever was running the job at the time didn't take out the slug from the tool it would most likely friction weld to the next piece it was trying to drill. Not a pretty sight and lots of trouble to get back up and running.
@PegcoWigan
@PegcoWigan 5 жыл бұрын
would recommend a hertel drill for drilling, much faster! unless you re use the "slug"
@johnthomas5166
@johnthomas5166 5 жыл бұрын
Hertel makes many drill types. Do you have a particular part number to suggest? Trepanning gets big holes made without having to make it all into chips. Sometimes if you're lucky the core can be used in other paying jobs. YAY FREE MATERIAL!!
@PegcoWigan
@PegcoWigan 5 жыл бұрын
John Thomas Hertel DDS drill , centres itself and has insert holders built into the drill itself so it can be changed to cut different sizes we use one in work to cut a 96mm hole all the time ( mild steel , 316 , inconel, monel ) not as hard on the machine as a U/ Drill , I agree about the slug but is an option for them
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Been at this a while but never heard of Hertel. I will take a look at what they got. Thanks for the pointer.
@Rod-zilla
@Rod-zilla 5 жыл бұрын
custom design trepanning tool look in the SANDVIK book , you mean a copy of a Sanvik tool
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
We actually used Sandvik cartridges but still our own design. Check out our other larger versions. Guess there's only a few ways to make a trepanning tool. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWHMq2irgLuYb68
@martynford7113
@martynford7113 5 жыл бұрын
I bet the copy isn't even half the price to make, compared to buying the Sandvik tool
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
@@martynford7113 Yea but no video
@aintskairtolskol9520
@aintskairtolskol9520 5 жыл бұрын
a carbide 3inch bar would come in real handy there,what about a 250 in insert straight shoulder then come back with your setup for your radius on top of threads ,i can see push off even on the cnc,manual lathe would even be worse,just something to play with on a dead night just saying,cutting double lead threads are done by splitting it,might be done with that thread also,like i say something to kick around
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
3" carbide would be extremely expensive and would break on the first bump. I really wanted to limit my tooling on this job so a single insert that does it all is preferable. With my calculation I wouldn't save much time and add more headaches.
@xenonram
@xenonram 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop You seem to call crashes, "bumps." I guess it's a bump of sorts.
@sosaltysereezy
@sosaltysereezy 5 жыл бұрын
*i wish my bar was that long*
@sunppaa
@sunppaa 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!
@leichen5474
@leichen5474 5 жыл бұрын
阻力比较大 可以采用小槽刀 借刀的方式车出来 你这个我都有点心疼你的线轨机床了。
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
你错了
@leichen5474
@leichen5474 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@stacysimon8864
@stacysimon8864 5 жыл бұрын
Well done sir.
@ПетроБампер-е3е
@ПетроБампер-е3е 5 жыл бұрын
Заламашин👍
@gun_ape
@gun_ape 5 жыл бұрын
been running okuma for a min and didn't even realize there is a G-code where you can operate with the door open -_-
@JustinESO37780
@JustinESO37780 5 жыл бұрын
Emmanuel Ortega could have the maintenance door key in too
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
There's many a ways to get the machine to get it done. Don't recommend it but if you try hard enough you can get it done.
@jeepmanxj
@jeepmanxj 5 жыл бұрын
You are brave as fuck using those jaws. Saw a young guy killed using welded jaws. Unpleasant day.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Wow that is my worst nightmare. We do it all the time but the welder is quality and we make sure to put heavy welds.
@Juxtaposed1Nmotion
@Juxtaposed1Nmotion 5 жыл бұрын
Still turning AWAY from the turret, I dont get why. You are sacrificing rigidity
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Lol never noticed a difference and most of my tooling is RH.
@TheLostBear78
@TheLostBear78 5 жыл бұрын
I worked in a machine shop with lots of old time machinists and all okuma lathes. Personally ran a lathe exactly like this, and one even bigger. He ran it EXACTLY how we always ran ours. I see nothing wrong here.
@jonjuke6849
@jonjuke6849 5 жыл бұрын
Spin it the other way and see how that works out for u
@dovereesserico7861
@dovereesserico7861 5 жыл бұрын
That's experience.. 👍
@meocats
@meocats 5 жыл бұрын
you can dampen that threading bar by drilling it out and filling it with molten lead. would be a shame to chip that special insert
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
I get north of 200 pieces per insert with this set up. Pretty happy with that.
@meocats
@meocats 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop well that's weird, in your other comment you said this material was hard to drill.
@meocats
@meocats 5 жыл бұрын
that don't sound too good. You can put inserts on the side to guide your drill that you grind yourself like a BTA drill
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Yea I was still working out the vibration issues. Got it dialed in better after the video. Job is done so I'm happy.
@tomituononen7192
@tomituononen7192 5 жыл бұрын
Take out the slug or u are fired hahh :D
@FMS-Customs
@FMS-Customs 5 жыл бұрын
at the end 0 fired so far :D lol
@jwc111684
@jwc111684 5 жыл бұрын
That is awesome
@skipjack996
@skipjack996 5 жыл бұрын
Unless that core is real valuable to you I don't think its faster than drilling and boring.
@wjb111
@wjb111 5 жыл бұрын
AGREED!
@biggawinnacrapsa3870
@biggawinnacrapsa3870 5 жыл бұрын
8:15 thruogh 12:35 was me with my girlfriend last Friday night. She likes it nice and slow.
@KevinK88
@KevinK88 5 жыл бұрын
When i see a comment like this i just think this must be some sad lonely 32 yearold lives in mom and pops basement that sees anything that could be remotely sexual and has to say something about it
@biggawinnacrapsa3870
@biggawinnacrapsa3870 5 жыл бұрын
@@KevinK88 - Yeah, OK, Mr. Kiss. Kiss my ass.
@geohazelman7039
@geohazelman7039 5 жыл бұрын
Subbed.
@twstesteam347
@twstesteam347 5 жыл бұрын
INSANE
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
This guy get it.
@dragankalekatic9259
@dragankalekatic9259 2 жыл бұрын
Greatt
@madrox4132
@madrox4132 5 жыл бұрын
Not fired!
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Yet!!!!!
@Draig.cymraeg
@Draig.cymraeg 5 жыл бұрын
Anyone other headphone users flinch at 3:38?
@jjflounder1
@jjflounder1 5 жыл бұрын
That's the song of my people .... LoL 🤣👍
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet sound of cutting hard metals. When it's quiet means machine is down.
@WIPEYOURLENZ
@WIPEYOURLENZ 5 жыл бұрын
Man swarf
@ipadize
@ipadize 5 жыл бұрын
*_ZALA MACHINE_*
@Gaark
@Gaark 5 жыл бұрын
nothing makes a headphone user jump more than unexpected ZALA MACHINE!
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
@@Gaark I'm trying to make you remember it.
@Gaark
@Gaark 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop Oh, im not complaining, I think it's pretty funny :D
@manishkainth95
@manishkainth95 5 жыл бұрын
Use long boring tool
@nihatbozdem
@nihatbozdem 5 жыл бұрын
etkileyici :)
@sergei1086
@sergei1086 4 жыл бұрын
Делетанты...!
@leichen5474
@leichen5474 5 жыл бұрын
机床刚性真好
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
是的我朋友很棒的机器
@leichen5474
@leichen5474 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop 大佬你还会说中文 66666
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
@@leichen5474 只有借助于 Google 我想得到中国的好评
@thetruth6872
@thetruth6872 5 жыл бұрын
Total waste of time
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 5 жыл бұрын
Haha wow the finish on that thread is dogshit. Where I work we're mostly making 7" threaded pipes and the finish can't deviate much from "perfectly smooth mirror" at all. Then again, the thread is used for joining pipes and bad thread finish = failed coupling. Cutting speed is about 200 RPM with 1/5" thread pitch, the entire process (load, cut, eject) takes less than a minute.
@zalamachineshop
@zalamachineshop 5 жыл бұрын
Guess every job is different. Customer was thrilled that we got as nice a finish as we got compared to other shops that they tried. Been in the game for many years but never did much oilfield work.
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 5 жыл бұрын
@@zalamachineshop Yeah the QA requirements are stringent. If you can make out any imperfections with a naked eye then it won't pass, you don't even need to break out the micrometers. And that's on top of tolerance window measuring grand total of 6 thou. The tolerance is actually a much lesser factor to coupling success than thread finish, going end to end will change screwing torque by about 4k ft lbs, but bad finish can increase it by as much as 100k ft lbs which makes it impossible to complete: the metal gets torn open by the vices at less than 15k ft lbs of torque (at vice pressure levels low enough not to bend the pipe into tri-egg shape, which is an instant fail too).
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