Fire alarm ground fault trouble and crashing car into parking lot gate at elementary school

[@zachbrenner9959]

Dudes got an entire commercial fire alarm, access control, and intrusion detection system system in his garage. That's an impressive dedication to his work

[@nics-systems-electric]

Hey thanks man

[@davecSFD]

Firefighter here. Love your videos. We do basic protection systems stuff in the academy but not that much at all. More focused on sprinkler heads, sprinkler system types, and smoke head types (I had to memorize the temps for the different colored glass bulbs which I forgot pretty much immediately). I deal with malfunctioning systems daily. Your videos help me understand more about what I'm seeing at the panel. Thanks man. Appreciate it.

[@ericdircks]

Firefighter Here. Love Your Videos. We Do Basic Protection Systems Stuff In The Academy But Not That Much At All. More Focused On Sprinkler Heads Sprinkler System Types And Smoke Head Types I Had To Memorize The Temps For The Different Colored Glass Bulbs Which I Forget Pretty Much Immediately. I Deal With Malfunctioning Systems Daily. Your Videos Help Me Understand More About I'm Seeing At The Panel. Thanks Man. Appreciate It.

[@GentexGuy1997]

@@ericdircksbro stop copying

[@S-Crapper]

He is just formarinv it better ​@@GentexGuy1997

[@peezyy3]

Your videos are inspiring to me as a young technician. Thank you for your contribution!

[@windows74001]

Love the old Shaw Cable logo to your right at 14:09! That's a throwback!

[@Jacob_World_Guilded]

Dudes got an entire commercial fire alarm, access control, and intrusion detection system system in his garage.( + home ) That's an impressive dedication to his work

[@bcrproductionsofficial]

I think the bell at 18:40 is actually pretty common. My school has a bunch of those as well as 439Ds. I've seen lots of those in multiple different buildings. The GS bells at my school were installed in 1999, And the 439Ds were installed around 1993-1996.

[@nics-systems-electric]

I have heard they’re quite rare as they were only produced from 1999 to 2001 I have seen a few to but I’m not sure if they’re the same motor bell version or if there’s a vibrating Bell version that looks the same

[@elijahisanog5776]

@@nics-systems-electricdid you actually swap out that bell

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@elijahisanog5776 yes

[@elijahisanog5776]

@@nics-systems-electric nice guess that bell is one of a kind

[@ilektrokioydio]

23:08 "mR gRoUnD fAuLt" why did I find that so funny lol

[@IanGSully]

Holy shit! You guys went though all that trouble, and almost thinking that you need to replace that whole system, and then later you find out that it was just the batteries? That's crazy!

[@nics-systems-electric]

Yeah that was silly of us we should’ve disconnected the batteries and left it for a little longer

[@achannelwithnopurpose1977]

@@nics-systems-electric gotta love ground faults lmao. Still would replace the system though on the grounds that it is obsolete hardware that was known for being not so good in the first place. An EST 4 retrofit would be perfect as EST sells a retrofit kit for the EST 2. I have seen the EST 4 in action, and even though I don’t like EST, I actually think that EST got it right this time. EST 4 is actually a nice system; it trips fast, is easy to use, and is VERY flexible for an alarm system. EST definitely took a massive leap in the right direction. A quick note though: in order to get the best performance, you may need to use the most recent detectors (SIGA optica), pulls (newest 278-SIGA), and A/Vs (Genesis G4) EST offers, because that was on the system i saw.

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@achannelwithnopurpose1977 My district wants to go all notifier for easier maintenance for everything to be the same system so they would never go with EST anymore I don’t think no matter how good it is tho

[@achannelwithnopurpose1977]

@@nics-systems-electric TBH i would too after seeing ESTs reputation. The EST 4 seemed kinda convenient in this case though because of the upgrade retrofit kit and in the fact EST didn’t mess up this time. I really think a small Notfier N16e would be perfect actually because Notifier already does what the EST 4 does (even in flexibility) but better.

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@achannelwithnopurpose1977 They’re pretty well just the new version of the 320/640/3030 as far as I can tell I don’t think they have any advantage over them that could be needed for this system

[@StrawbieMilkGurl]

Nice video you are ensuring the safety of those kids!

[@Firealarmcollectorperson]

“Kids just come and rip this sprinkler head of the wall” That’s crazy lol. I’ve never seen that happen ever.

[@nics-systems-electric]

Happens all the time

[@captainchris2016]

@@nics-systems-electric will my elementary school had outdoor side sprinklers and it never happened I believe

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@captainchris2016 They also like to light paper on fire and shove it through the cracks of the door at this school and put burning things up against the side every now and then lol

[@Firealarmcollectorperson]

@@nics-systems-electric Damn! That’s crazy!

[@dabitzz]

I showed the title to my friend and he thought it said “fire alarm crashes into elementry school”

[@nics-systems-electric]

That can happen

[@LogicDoesStuff]

@@nics-systems-electric Such as chucking an EST Genesis to a window.

[@DanTDMJace]

@@LogicDoesStuff😂

[@benlinfoot4048]

I thought it was "fire alarm activated but then pushed into school."

[@mikeross880]

What a weekend; first a crashed gate, then some honey and now a missing bell(HAHA just kidding no not really) congratulations on finding the problem. Interesting that it was simply a pair of bad batteries and not something more major. I kinda figured you'd just get a "batt low" message as opposed to "gnd fault" but I guess that's just what the more recent EST2's do. Now when a storm hits this winter and the power goes out the kids will be safe knowing the backup batteries work. Too bad with the system at my work as it had an internal fault and now they have to swap the whole system out. However rumour has it that L series horns will be replacing the bells so hoping to score a 439D before the work is done. Congratulations also on your bell score. Can you do a sound level test of that GS bell? Every time I hear one I swear they seem so much louder than the 439Ds and MB-24s combined. Amazing work Nic and what a great start to September

[@nics-systems-electric]

Yeah it’s quite common for that to be a popular place on the weekends nighttime specific maybe I will do another bell vs bell test The batteries probably were still holding fine voltage so there was no reason for a battery fault but that they had a hole in them so there it was leaking electricity to ground

[@AkiSaclolo120]

18:44 me when I zoom in my phone to the GS Bell at Shoppers Mall

[@achannelwithnopurpose1977]

The school really was lucky they had an EST 2 for 20 years. Thing shoulda broke long ago because EST was ridiculously cheap. I will admit though, EST’s new products like the EST 4 has surprised me. Its a lot better than you may think. If the panel is really screwed, EST sells an upgrade kit for upgrading from EST 2 to EST 4. Im still a hopeless simplex and notifier enthusiast, even though EST has surprised me and exceeded my expectations this time.

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

EST has gotten a better but I don’t think they would top Simplex or Notifier anytime soon. EST needs to kill off the EST3 and the 3X and they would be good.

[@achannelwithnopurpose1977]

@@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign Totally agree! They have definitely improved their standards, but it will still take time to surpass Simplex and Notifier which are major innovators which are known for their top notch products. EST still needs to burn off its cheap reputation with its older software based systems. EST 4, the newest SIGA, and genesis products seem to be a massive step in the right direction though. Weatherdan posted a video of these products in action and i was ultimately surprised by the performance of the system. Again, EST just needs to be doing more of that quality production and they will be at the top with Simplex/Notifier.

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

@@achannelwithnopurpose1977 Yeah. I would agree with you except the LED Genesis devices. I think they look hideous. I would’ve just updated the Xenon Genesis to have the Circuit board hidden. The older Genesises looked much better.

[@achannelwithnopurpose1977]

@@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign the newer genesis doesn’t look that bad, draws less current, and can do continuous. I do think the older genesis looked more decent, but I think the G4 series is better overall.

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

@@achannelwithnopurpose1977 The G4s are fine but the GCs and G1s aren’t are my least favorite

[@pacfilming8117]

20:03 is that vibrating or motor bell?

[@nics-systems-electric]

Motor

[@HSETM]

9:03 I'm sorry does that gate have a *DOOR CLOSER* on it???

[@nics-systems-electric]

Yes

[@justinhill8102]

Seems your from BC, based on a magnetic L I saw on your breaker panel in a previous video. Where do you get your new parts from?

[@justinhill8102]

Also curious what alarm system you have and if the fire system is tied into it

[@topher8634]

Do you ever find leaking flow switches as a cause for ground faults? I see it often in my neck of the woods.

[@nics-systems-electric]

Haven’t seen that yet

[@michellebertrand7702]

Do you have any fire alarm testing videos at this school?

[@captainchris2016]

You can check his channel for his last year video

[@nics-systems-electric]

As I said in the video this year‘s one got deleted but last year is around

[@captainchris2016]

Ah yes, you gotta love listening to est pizeo beeping for like 3-5 mins straight

[@nics-systems-electric]

The best

[@captainchris2016]

@@nics-systems-electric will in my opinion I like listening to the firelite pre es pizeo's (like the ms9200udls, ms10ud) the best especially when it does march time (which you can do with the right program)

[@JessieMHadaller]

The ending 😂😂 love it

[@geekmoto1363]

i could hear the trouble alarm, ground faults are a pain to diagnose

[@joeycaridi3030]

Oh boy, the pain of having do deal with a ground on an Edwards panel. If it was on a Simplex panel then it would be much worse!

[@marksmith-ew7ir]

Battery's on constant charge fail due to heat issues or charging circuit over charging all so goes for emergency lighting pack's, but one great thing all the emergency lights and fore panel's you have you can scrap the battery's and get nice bucks for.

[@SakkalkkaLastonInc]

Hello! where do you actually buy all your stuff like panels, pullstations, detectors?

[@nics-systems-electric]

Wholesalers or eBay

[@SakkalkkaLastonInc]

thanks! @@nics-systems-electric

[@N1tr0_fox]

Nice video keep up the work also I came first lol keep up the work is it going to be replaced btw?

[@nics-systems-electric]

Thanks but no it’s not really high priority to replace this one

[@kanth66]

Batteries, check first. Next, unplug each zone wire. Boom, the ground fault is gone when you unplug that wire in the zone with the fault, so you know it is on that zone immediately. Next, you are able to isolate the zone and look for the ground fault in that zone. Much quicker because you can find the right zone from the panel.

[@Jacob_World_Guilded]

+ do we have a video inside it on firday

[@SWFLElevators]

It seems like this system was built to last. This being EST, and installed in 2002.

[@nics-systems-electric]

It’s a miracle that it’s still working after 20 years

[@West_Kootenay_railfan]

18:40 i have seen those bells in a hotel before.

[@pepsicityhomebuilding9752]

I have a fire alarm control panel and it’s not working that good whenever I pull a pull station it does not sound I know the wiring is correct but it’s just not going off I’ve been trying to fix it these past two days

[@kashtonklein4608]

What caused the alarms to sound? Was it the water by the building? Or did your works set it off?

[@nics-systems-electric]

I said in the video that the sprinkler guys were doing their testing

[@kashtonklein4608]

Can you do a test video on your new rare GS bell?

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@kashtonklein4608 maybe someday

[@kashtonklein4608]

@@nics-systems-electric okay

[@Uhh.thankyou]

we hit 118 yesterday or about 48 celisius. High of 82 for you is a way colder day for us.

[@nics-systems-electric]

82 for us is pretty hot last year we did hit around the same as you though about 47 Celsius

[@Uhh.thankyou]

@@nics-systems-electric ye, we are having a huge heat wave right now.

[@mircomamsecosirensnalarms]

did you get the est 2 that you destroyed from this school

[@nics-systems-electric]

No that school still has one

[@mircomamsecosirensnalarms]

@@nics-systems-electric oh ok

[@Jacob_World_Guilded]

what the blue thing at 10:03

[@KanoaDeCastro]

Is that a simplex GFCI?

[@nics-systems-electric]

I would have thought so but then the other one started tripping too so I guess not

[@KanoaDeCastro]

@@nics-systems-electric If it was made by simplex I would just about die laughing. 😂

[@channeldeleted_2_3_678]

@@nics-systems-electric It is because the cord end is pushing the test button maybe

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@channeldeleted_2_3_678 no

[@brianmohammed1790]

cool video and you know your stuff about elctriail stuff one day you work at for school eletratil tech

[@pacfilming8117]

Did the system get fixed?

[@nics-systems-electric]

Just watch till the end of the video

[@thelifeaofyoutuberday5822]

Know I'm late but a ground fault from the battery isn't uncommon in lead acid batteries. Lead Acid batteries aren't like lithium ion batteries and once a lead acid battery has a cell that dies the whole battery needs to be replaced because that cell will no longer hold a charge, common issue with lead acid batteries, and why you should make sure they don't run dead and if they do you replace them

[@Dawezil]

At my school, ours is getting changed after 30 years. We had no problems with it but they decided to change it.

[@nypdphoneprompts5735]

8:11 what was it?

[@pacfilming8117]

I have a big request can you show me all the types of bells at this school one of them sounds nice I hear the notifier bells at my school

[@nics-systems-electric]

All MB 10-24

[@pacfilming8117]

@@nics-systems-electric ok now time to test your present I want to hear the beautiful sound on all types of coding please

[@pacfilming8117]

The GS bell

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@pacfilming8117 maybe someday

[@pacfilming8117]

@@nics-systems-electric other than 439D and Mb10-24 and GS what other fire bells do you own

[@pacfilming8117]

I want that GS bell too I think it’s at my old school.

[@cvalenx]

Ground fault on a short wire: 😁 Ground fault on a fire system: 😐 Ground fault on a fire system in a mall: ☹️ Ground fault on a semi truck: 🫠 Ground fault on a power line: 💀 Ground fault on a light pole system: ☠️☠️☠️

[@animated_things]

Super good videos

[@sebastianthegamer124]

Since you hate simplex I think that simplex made the batteries cause a ground fault.

[@16BitDoggo]

20:52 according to another video your pool is _electrically energized._

[@thethirdrail8397]

@ 5:27 Ricky Skaggs " Honey wont you open that door" I am not sure if this worked out for who ever put honey on the door at the school!! lol I have no Idea if the lyrics to the song are god for the 45 or not, as I believe this is a country soong, and I am into the rare 60's - 70s Rock! oh and yes I have the 45 to this song as well!

[@matthewantonucci6751]

Hey Nick I Would Just Upgrade This Whole System To A Napco Gemini Commercial Combo Burglar/Fire Security System Because I Love The Napco Products Better!

[@NyxKemo]

Napco Gemini is horrible

[@matthewantonucci6751]

@@NyxKemo Hey You Can't Say That Because I've Used Them And They're The Best And You Haven't Tried Them!

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@matthewantonucci6751 are they addressable? I’m not a fan of those combination systems we don’t seem to ever use those in any buildings in Canada pretty sure that would not work not sure how that would work with graphic light up annunciator either if it has that capability

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

Combo systems are not really great for certain applications. That includes schools and High Rises.

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign I wouldn’t think so they seem like a cheap cheap solution and not very capable

[@whelen_vortex]

What happened at 12:48

[@baseballlion1615]

If your talking about the blur thing. It is for privacy reasons.

[@defrimmehmeti4032]

can you film more troubleshooting videos

[@nics-systems-electric]

Usually difficult in the schools when there’s kids all over the place I try to over the breaks

[@pacfilming8117]

Test the test bell

[@techmanty_123]

bro saw a bell so... he kept it!

[@nickcliff]

Yh i can hear the beeping

[@topher8634]

Sounds like you have a ground fault of your own!

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

I think it may be time for a 320.

[@nics-systems-electric]

That would be nice

[@RingggoDoom1991]

hay nic s there sumthing ronge with you camera i can see green purple mark on the video on the start of the video you see it just look were the fire poll stashen is

[@nics-systems-electric]

Yes something is wrong inside the front facing camera not cool on the Iphones 12 Pro so still fairly new

[@RingggoDoom1991]

@@nics-systems-electric o ok i thourt i say sumthing i did not know that you new about it

[@2000waynebraganza]

@@nics-systems-electricim probably late but have you been around lasers? i used to see this a bit when i worked for sony on their DSLR cameras after a customer would use it around show lasers.

[@techanical243]

Honeywell notifier fire panel installation video fire panel 640E Loop card LCM 320

[@nics-systems-electric]

Would be nice to put a NFS 320 C in

[@techanical243]

@@nics-systems-electric Control module to addressble hooter canntion same & other type

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@techanical243 huh?

[@DanTDMJace]

@@nics-systems-electricybe he means "replace the cpu can with an addressible can for addressible"

[@Meepei]

Why don't you go in you got the keys

[@nics-systems-electric]

That would be illegal

[@carole234]

I heard the beeping

[@Jacob_World_Guilded]

what a ground ___

[@NewEnglandAviaton987]

nic. = ground fault electrican = no there isnt