Fire Alarm testing a 1990s Simplex 4100 system

[@CJ9899]

Nice to see these old 90s simplex systems still running. Personally I think simplex was the best in the industry during the 80s and 90s

[@nics-systems-electric]

Definitely

[@adamcrane1436]

Good morning @@nics-systems-electric

[@siphonralarms9411]

I like how you called those little protective cages over the pull stations a “jail” 🤣

[@siphonralarms9411]

@FireTech7771 I don’t have one in my collection, but I’m hoping to find one in the future. If you’re referring to the one in my profile pic, it’s one that I saw at my local Cracker Barrel.

[@Twentythree33]

@Recording infinite Do you commit the Gentex?

[@DanTDMJace]

@@siphonralarms9411Your local Cracker Barrel has fire alarms? And SPEAKER STROBES??? No Cracker Barrel i've been to has any fire alarm. At all.

[@siphonralarms9411]

@@DanTDMJace my Cracker Barrel has Gentex SHG horn/strobes. I use to have one as my pfp, but I’ve since changed it to a Wheelock ET1010 speaker/strobe that’s from my Elementary school

[@commonfirealarmsystems1193]

Your the GOAT man!!! Love your videos!

[@LoyalmoonieProductions]

Never knew those smoke detectors were made by Simplex. My elementary school had those, but they had no logo/badge/emblem on them.

[@achannelwithnopurpose1977]

In the states we have tbars with 4100u/es systems which really are improvements (especially the 4100es) from the older 90s panels. The 90’s/early 2000s panels were extremely prone to programming errors and just potatoeing in general. I have a 4007es which behaves exactly like the 4100es systems and i can say for a fact it IS much better than the older stuff.

[@filmer765]

Fire-Lite: “Our BG-10’s r sum of da wurst pull stations ever!!” Simplex: “Hold our MS-301C.”

[@CJ9899]

Lmao not even close. At least the 301C was never recalled

[@Siren_StrObE]

My school was built in the 90s and it has wheelock mt hornstrobes set to the default horn continues and the cafeteria and gym have wheelock Mt voice evac with a pretty huge panel which is located in the lobby that is a fire alarm/voice evac pannel from wheelock. Also, it is a sprinkler building. The school has very few smoke detectors and even less heat detectors which might not sound bad but there’s only 2 on the second floor which is pretty huge school and the second floor and first need way more. The smokes are these weird chainmail grid on it. The heats are the classic wheelock ones.

[@dank980]

Love this style of video

[@a.r.aproductions1569]

Those smoke detectors are Simplex 2098-9577 models. They are basically Simplex rebranded System Sensor 1400 Ionization smoke detector. There is not difference between them. I own one of the Simplex models and they work quite well for their age

[@Twentythree33]

2098-9110 in Canada.

[@Loganetics1]

The 1400 is a great detector, I own some and they’re all relatively quick. Especially when I use the fog machine lol

[@N1tr0_fox]

love your vids keep up the work

[@missbleach8767]

Hi I'm bleach

[@Twentythree33]

Simplex has device/zone re-activation on all of their panels.

[@nics-systems-electric]

OK thanks That makes sense

[@missbleach8767]

🚨

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

Simplex is still up there just only behind Notifier for my favorite manufacturer (not including the Service and a company). I think Simplex as a company is bad. I wouldn’t blame your school district for not being with Simplex because what I have heard that Simplex will bid low and do insanely high Service cost. My school district ripped out the Simplex system in my rival high school for a Notifier. Simplex lost my school district as customer probably a long time ago. The reason why Simplex is my favorite because I like the products that Simplex makes. It’s good (better then Edwards’s SuperFalty Technologies for sure)

[@TheCarson116]

That's JCI for you: they ruined what was once a great company. Edwards on the other hand though has had very little if _any_ faults during their history I'd say: as for the systems you might have encountered, blame the installers & techs, not the manufacturer.

[@nickcliff]

I’m surprised the school not upgraded there fire systems to newer versions

[@nics-systems-electric]

We don't replace unless it's defective or unreliable or can't get new parts for it if they are needed often times there is nothing wrong with an old system if it was to be replaced it wouldn't be a newer version of the panel it would be a notifier replacement

[@IanGSully]

And I guess that is why my middle school went from Simplex to Notifier.

[@willbill808]

Those smoke detectors are exactly 1400 System Sensor smokes. They literally just have Simplex stickers on them. Not sure why they went with ionization... Simplex's 90's photo detectors were much lower profile and safer, and were made by Hochiki.

[@lightsandlights9898]

Love the video

[@lumenfirealarms]

Good video bad simplex I also prefer Notifier!! Have fun! ...

[@KanoaDeCastro]

Wow! Canada has got some.... *_really_* weird pull stations and mounting heights.

[@whelenvortexr4]

I hope someone breaks into your garage to swap your new Notifier out for a Simplex 4100 ES. I know how much you love Simplex lol. My elementary school I went to from 2nd to 5th grade had a Simplex 4100 U with strobe plates/ mechanical horns. The old part had System Sensor MASS 24Ms, one FS Vibratone HS. Old part had System Sensor Smokes and the new part had Simplex everything. The original part was built in 1957 and the new addition was added on in 92. Two years ago, it was all ripped out for the 4100ES with Tru Alerts. I'm so glad that my Alma Mater is phasing out all System Sensor crap. We're a Simplex/Siemens school district.

[@nics-systems-electric]

If somebody gave me a Simplex panel I would have to do a durability testing video on it and destroy it

[@whelenvortexr4]

@@nics-systems-electric I'll take any system as long as it has all Wheelock notification appliances. I love the old Siemens MXL System and the old Simplex 4100U with the mechanical buzzer on the inside. You feel the same way about Simplex as I do about System Sensor. I was happy to see them be swapped out with Tru Alerts at my old elementary. Now the system will last another 30 plus. I would say though that Simplex is worse now that Johnson Controls bought them out, they're the worst.

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@whelenvortexr4 I don’t I like the product but that’s not the bad part for me all companies have issues and to be honest anything made nowadays does not last it’s more that Simplex provides terrible service and is a complete rip off for any servicing

[@whelenvortexr4]

@@nics-systems-electric My hometown is mainly a Simplex town, mainly older systems. The Catholic college in my town has all Simplex Systems, except for the post office has Notifier and there are a couple of dorms that have EST. The newest systems on campus are in the campus church, the gym, and the student center. You're correct, Simplex doesn't have the best service. I have a friend that works at a childrens hospital and they had to do a fire alarm upgrade to most of the hospital's system. He's a Siemens guy like me and the hospital had an old Cerberus Pyrotronics system and in the area his options were Simplex, EST, or Siemens. He chose Siemens for a voice evacuation system. He used to work at Simplex and they treated him horribly and he said that they also had bad service.

[@ticearpey3235]

Even the plastic 2099s and 4099s are designed better than those old MS-301Cs.

[@CJ9899]

They were both good pull stations

[@ticearpey3235]

It’s just that the 2099s and 4099s are made with pretty cheap plastic that breaks easier than the 4251s. That being said, I haven’t seen anything that resets like THESE pulls before. Clearly the Murican in me is showing.

[@CJ9899]

@@ticearpey3235 I have a notifier branded version as well

[@vintagesimplexfirealarmsof6440]

Last 4100 i saw had 9101 with 9838s on continuous or 120 bpm

[@DanTDMJace]

Pickle 700: *sees simplex* *There’s something wrong, I can feel it*

[@nics-systems-electric]

Yes

[@tornadochaser283]

8:17 WOW! LOOK AT THAT, A YELLOW PULL STATION ON A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM!

[@nics-systems-electric]

Kitchen suppression system

[@tornadochaser283]

@@nics-systems-electric I see

[@josephfrye7342]

I might miss that classic 4100 the one with voice evac however the 4100es is the updated and upgraded one. But simplex are decent brand including the Edwards brand too also notifier. Except est 2 panel or QuickStart.

[@odinconnor-randomvideos5267]

The same panel my school has except the pull stations are simplex tbars

[@tornadochasingsiege]

JESUS AT THE START THOSE ARE THE LOUDEST LIGHTS EVER But the vintage alarms we have at my school are 7002Ts

[@DanTDMJace]

*_Loudest lights_*

[@dantestoner6020]

Those pulls were originally manufactured by Mircom.

[@nics-systems-electric]

I know the ones that are labelled Mircom are but are the Simplex models Mircom?

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

@@nics-systems-electric probably

[@dantestoner6020]

@@nics-systems-electric More like rebranding.

[@noahfurry4146]

Why didn’t you activate the yellow pull station

[@nics-systems-electric]

Because it’s not fire alarm it’s kitchen fire suppression system

[@zacharykorbet9690]

I feel like your realistic system is too realistic for reality lol

[@nics-systems-electric]

Ya to many pull stations

[@missbleach8767]

Fire alarm

[@alberterickson4614]

I wonder why the alarms in this video took alot of pull stations to ACTUALLY sound the alarm

[@nics-systems-electric]

It didn’t

[@Caryfirebuff]

Do you guys ever plan upgrading the system

[@nics-systems-electric]

Not my decision but it should be replaced

[@luisgomez6399]

What are the yellow pull stations for?

[@nics-systems-electric]

Kitchen suppression system

[@J19_vlogger74]

i hope that was a middle or high school. imagine if an elementary student had to pull it. they could pull themselves off the ground and still not pull it.

[@nics-systems-electric]

Yeah it’s a high school I don’t know if elementary kids in a fire would actually pull a fire alarm anyways if they know to do it I don’t even know about middle or high school to be honest

[@J19_vlogger74]

@@nics-systems-electric true

[@anthonypasculli6980]

Great video! When these were first installed did they get installed by the in house electricians or were they done by the lowest bidding contractor?

[@nics-systems-electric]

This would've been done by the electrical contractor that got the job

[@mircomamsecohardwareandsafety]

8:18 8:37 13:28 What are the yellow pull stations for

[@soda_coir7595]

Kitchen fire suppression apparently

[@mircomamsecohardwareandsafety]

@@soda_coir7595thanks

[@91alarms24]

i feel like if i were to try to pull one of those pullstations i would probably rip it out of the wall lol

[@nics-systems-electric]

I’m surprised some of them don’t pull the box out of the wall with how hard you have to pull them

[@91alarms24]

@@nics-systems-electric yeah, i am too

[@dylanchalmers3011]

@NIC'S - SYSTEMS & ELECTRIC Ewwww simplex lol also what do the big fire doors on the roof look like?

[@nics-systems-electric]

I'm not actually sure I haven't seen them

[@dylanchalmers3011]

@@nics-systems-electric but that's their way of getting out the toxic smoke if a fire occurs?

[@FourtyFiftyEighty]

Same era as my school

[@missbleach8767]

Fire alarm

[@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign]

And my dad’s school.

[@FireRescue80]

Love Simplex.

[@nics-systems-electric]

They’re really old stuff it’s fine but lots of their stuff just seems cheap and has lots of issues

[@BesthanddryerakaWDA]

What do you think about Simplex bells d pulls?

[@pacfilming8117]

i was thinking of working with you to replace thoes nasty pull stations

[@nics-systems-electric]

That would be nice

[@pacfilming8117]

It would be great for a summer job as I live in BC

[@GaryBeltz]

What happens when the emergency pull stations are activated?

[@nics-systems-electric]

Kitchen suppression system will activate

[@NS-Sirens]

13:27 it uses a emergency pack to power the fire alarm???

[@nics-systems-electric]

The portables did use the emergency light batteries to power them

[@NS-Sirens]

was it just like directly wired to the pull station and the bells?

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@NS-Sirens yes

[@NS-Sirens]

lol that’s what I do with my Edwards too pretty sure that’s not csa certified

[@numatic12stan]

I hate those pull stations!!

[@alexandersfirealarms]

Nice

[@missbleach8767]

Fire alarm

[@Earth_Number_12]

Are you gonna to do a another fire alarm replacement video

[@nics-systems-electric]

if my school district decides to replace another system

[@Earth_Number_12]

@@nics-systems-electric Ok I hope it’s a good one lol

[@TheJakeman789]

Omg continuous. Loud

[@jeffreysrailfanning2817]

Those are kind of a pain pull

[@nics-systems-electric]

Yes for sure

[@jeffreysrailfanning2817]

I used to have old simplex 2904 lights but they were replaced with system sensor l series speakers And remote strobes

[@northwestindianaeas2450]

Love the vids Keep it up but please don’t call simplex systems crap

[@nics-systems-electric]

I wouldn’t if it wasn’t crap but it is unfortunately. they have lost my whole school district as a customer

[@josephfrye7342]

That’s unfortunate unless if it was properly programmed

[@dexterthewulf3637]

Non-ADA pulls imo

[@DanTDMJace]

not to bother but this is canada

[@NotBrainy]

Sorry if I didn’t comment that much.

[@nics-systems-electric]

That’s ok

[@missbleach8767]

🧠

[@J19_vlogger74]

1:51 is it normal for an alarm to cause a trouble?

[@nics-systems-electric]

It is when resetting

[@J19_vlogger74]

@@nics-systems-electric oh

[@lol-to4me]

@@J19_vlogger74 the bells were disabled witch will cause a trouble

[@J19_vlogger74]

@@lol-to4me Ah.

[@IanGSully]

Does the school district plan on replacing that system at some point, because it's so bad?

[@nics-systems-electric]

It will get replaced at some point but the EST quick starts are a bigger priority we do about one system a year

[@IanGSully]

@@nics-systems-electric I hope your Middle School is next, because I think that system is the worst system out of all of them! Lol.

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@IanGSully Definitely it was bad five years ago when I got there I hope a power surge will take it out maybe the building will single phase again and destroyed it 😂

[@IanGSully]

@@nics-systems-electric No kidding! That thing is terrible! I hope that when they replace it. You take it home, and make a video of setting that horrible thing on fire! 🤣🤣🤣

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@IanGSully Definitely would have to do a durability testing video 😂

[@chantalmazur4800]

Why did it not activate?

[@nics-systems-electric]

When

[@DanTDMJace]

@@nics-systems-electric I think he means when you pulled it

[@DanTDMJace]

It didn’t activate because they made bypasses on the panel

[@pacfilming8117]

What was happening at 10:51

[@nics-systems-electric]

Simplex sucks and takes off your disables after time it’s very annoying

[@IanGSully]

When you pulled that first pull station in the video, I was like “That was pathetic!”. So a system test of this trashy system coming up some point?

[@nics-systems-electric]

I didn’t record doing this school this year

[@themasoners3161]

Those simplex pull stations are NOT ADA compliant!

[@nics-systems-electric]

Probably not not sure how that would work as I’m in Canada though

[@NyxKemo]

@@nics-systems-electric they aren’t legal in Canada anymore

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@NyxKemo anymore

[@NyxKemo]

@@nics-systems-electric anymore meaning since the Canada fire alarm codes have become way more strict

[@nics-systems-electric]

@@NyxKemo I said that in a way of meeting anymore as in the fact that it’s grandfathered in as it’s old work

[@chief-ac594]

simplex has better devices than that

[@nics-systems-electric]

I don’t really like any Simplex products The real old stuff is OK

[@chief-ac594]

@@nics-systems-electric i have a simplex t bar and i works like a charm. also my high school has a simplex 4100U and my kiddies school has a simplex 4010. I can see why you dont like them but we all have our own oppinons.