Fire door holder magnets not working and emergency power lost

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@schlabberdog 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, students high-fiving those exit signs is common in Germany too. That's why I say public areas should only use wall mounted or wire suspended signs.

@petraritter2399 9 ай бұрын

😱

@AndrewKatzmakes 10 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas! That breaker didn't seem tripped in the footage in the video since it wasnt in the middle position, it was all the way off. I'd guess the door work was the cause and the breaker was left off. The twisted sign could cause it too, and I may be mistaken

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Breaker was tripped then turned off as they have to be turned off before they can be turned back on.

@UKsystems 10 ай бұрын

Great video really interesting wouldn’t you think this is a design consideration is to stop students slapping signs and causing problems

@zacharykorbet9690 10 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas I hope you’re having a good one with the ones you love I hope your channel keeps on growing and gets the view it deserves stay safe, my friend and happy new year

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Thank you, you too.

@Williams_elektronik 10 ай бұрын

Hey nic! Where do you sell your panels. Not this one but other panels. My old one died and i look for a panel that is not that expensive!

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

There are lots of panels on eBay

@achannelwithnopurpose1977 10 ай бұрын

Ok, I just got an idea for the building that had a quickstart that is gonna be upgraded to a 3030: ⁠ why not use an n16e/x instead of a 3030? There’s finally a video of one of these systems in action (look up “n16e fire drill”). Also, the n16e and n16x (according to documentation) are designed to be much more modular/customizable which makes installation more economical than the onyx series. Unlike the onyx series which has a series of panels with specific capabilities that you have to keep in mind (especially with expansions), the n16e/x seems to be more focused on being modular and letting the end user choose what parts they do or don’t need while still letting the end user have room for expansion. You should probably look into this and have the school look into it as well. I think it could be better than the 3030.

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

I don't believe they are listed ULC/CSA for Canada yet. It isn't my decision what gets installed though that is whatever the engineer specs and the fire alarm company provides.

@achannelwithnopurpose1977 10 ай бұрын

@@nics-systems-electric I definitely understand that part (you have to do what the person calling the shots say), but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to bring it up to the engineer and techs to see what they think. Just ask if they think it would be a good idea to use the new n16 system due to the fact it is very much like the 3030 in terms of max capabilities (with a couple differences) but it’s more of a single panel solution that can be tailored to the specific needs of the building and that fact would save the school system money. It does say it’s ISO 9001 certified too.

@tristanajohnson6925 10 ай бұрын

Aye ye ye these kids. Great video as always. Merry Christmas Nic! 🎄🎄

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Thanks! You too!

@thinkIndependent2024 10 ай бұрын

Interesting!!! Even In Canada those door holders should connect to a supervised relay & on the "Fire Booster , W/Battery backup" isolated from regular power of any type per fire code . ( I can send the code reference)

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Never ever seen that as much door holders are a accessory to a fire alarm system and not a crucial component they are for convenience that's why they don't need to be supervised if they fail the door will shut so it is a fail safe system

@thinkIndependent2024 10 ай бұрын

That's why I said I could send the code, Door closers prevent smoke from moving throughout the building... It completes the (fire_wall)even the door is ULC listed

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

@@thinkIndependent2024 door closers are required yes but they do not require power. door holders on the other hand are a convenience item they are not required they are just there to make it more convenient to move throughout a building. But as they are not a crucial component they do not need to be on supervised power or even there at all.

@thinkIndependent2024 10 ай бұрын

@@nics-systems-electricYou want to be the Best!!!!! Learn the CODE!!!! I've been an Electrician but on top of that Passed NICET level 4 in Fire Alarm, worked with Chubb Fire & Security USA, and Design Fire, Security, Electrical, Sound. Think about it holders & closers work in conjunction!!! Those doors are part of Architectural design, next layer down is the egress. I get it when I started in my 20s over thirty years ago much of what I learned was word of mouth, well we are told many things that are wrong!!! I actually watched your "Video" verbally the conflict on the problems you are technically describing in detail with words!!! But you have not connected the facts with what is said in your own words .. In America it takes 8 years to become a master in Canada they allow it in 3 . Study the code and get a NFPA 70 Handbook( you are observant just connect it with the proper knowledge)

@thinkIndependent2024 10 ай бұрын

I checked the code AC/DC powered the relay must be within 1 meter of the device to omit supervised monitoring of the circuit. If DC power is utilized the source shall be monitored ( because a ground fault can inhibit operation)

@owenhickey13 10 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity, how is that much lighting fed off of that one breaker? Is the breaker actually directly taking the load of the lights or was it to power some kind of contactor?

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Because it's only 50% of the lighting in that section of hallway the other half is fed from another breaker in a non-emergency panel LED is not much and exit signs are next to nothing

@petra7306 4 ай бұрын

Gooooooooooooooooooooooood. Video

@REWYRED 10 ай бұрын

Was that breaker tripped or OFF? Looks like it was not in the center but all the way over to OFF unless someone was mucking about... who knows LOL Odd they have the holds on with the exits and emergency fixtures, at our hospital campus the holders are either their own circuit or circuits, exits are their own and lighting is again separate... I am sure lighting and exits can be combined on one circuit but I thought door holds had to be their own circuit.... I have to look that one up lol

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

My coworker had already turned it off before turning it back on good catch I was waiting for someone to see that. Exit signs being on with the emergency lighting is pretty common. In fact battery emergency lighting is required by code to be on with exit signs or regular lighting to ensure it's obvious if it's off.

@rayarsenault4774 10 ай бұрын

2:35 that looks like a Douglas lighting panel; which can be 120v or 347v. Emergency lighting should never be run thru relays or contactors. it should be on a generator-supplied panel, along with battery-backup lighting in case of a fail-to-start condition.

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

It is Douglas and emergency lighting does definitely run through relay panels as there would be no other way to turn the lights off. You don't need battery back up if you have a generator.

@rayarsenault4774 10 ай бұрын

@@nics-systems-electric Interesting. most institutional occupancies in the LM still have backups, since you'd need them in a fail-to-start scenario. also, the EM-powered lighting are usually the night-lights as well.

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

@@rayarsenault4774 in some areas that is the case but other areas like theatres and gymnasiums shop shop spaces etc. the lights need to be able to be turned off that's why there are special modules on the relays to automatically override any command and turn them on during a power failure

@bigbadjohn2543 10 ай бұрын

A very small camera can be installed inside the exit light. Then you bill the student/parents.

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Not CSA so you can't do that. It's just an exit sign so nobody cares.

@gameranoniem3872 10 ай бұрын

This is your school right?

@joeycaridi3030 10 ай бұрын

Yep it's his school

@Brad79FL 10 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas Nic to you and your family 🙂

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Same to you!

@Brad79FL 10 ай бұрын

@@nics-systems-electric Thanks Nic 🙂

@topher8634 10 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Thanks you too

@TheJakeman789 10 ай бұрын

Gotta love technology. Seems like it was cheap junk and broke.

@HogwartsBasement 10 ай бұрын

Magnet doors aren’t usually fail safe

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Magnetic hold open devices are always fail safe as they complete their intended purpose during power loss

@dylanreynolds8264 10 ай бұрын

what would normally happened if there was a power outage at your high school and what happens when the generator is 100% 30% or 0% fuel in the generator

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

If the power goes out the UPS comes on to run the data systems until the generator comes on a few seconds after and then powers all of the emergency panels. Generator gives a trouble to the fire alarm system if it's under 20% fuel

@All_ConsumingBandu 10 ай бұрын

Why does your school power keep going out?

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

It doesn't. And a breaker tripping from a short circuit is very different than a power outage from your utilities provider infrastructure fault.

@NewEnglandAviaton987 10 ай бұрын

I officially made a mistake I have a fire alarm system in my basement and I have a Spectralert advanced MHW , P2RL (standard tone) , wheelock mt 12/24 guess what the MT is on slow whoop

@bjthedjdutchdude1992 10 ай бұрын

Some buildings have MTs on slow whoop so no big deal

@NewEnglandAviaton987 10 ай бұрын

@@bjthedjdutchdude1992 nun uh

@enricodigi 10 ай бұрын

Merry christmas

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

You too

@Big_Noob-ROBLOX 10 ай бұрын

schools is unhappy

@TheMcGeeTwins 10 ай бұрын

Is smashing exit signs legal in Canada?

@joeycaridi3030 10 ай бұрын

No it's not legal and even in the U.S. as well because it's tampering with life safety stuff

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

No it's not legal it's vandalism but in a school no one's ever going to get charged for it as it's such a minor offence but it's a pain in the ass for the maintenance staff constantly fixing them lol

@TheMcGeeTwins 10 ай бұрын

@@nics-systems-electric Ok did he got caught?

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

@@TheMcGeeTwins no it's not a big deal it's just an exit sign they're not going to investigate something that minor

@TheMcGeeTwins 10 ай бұрын

@hotbytesB 10 ай бұрын

How big is the high school is a very nice high school

@nics-systems-electric 10 ай бұрын

Around 200,000 ft.²

@mikeross880 10 ай бұрын

It’s like durability testing in real life except that it’s not funny at all as you’re dealing with real life safety here. Like a fire extinguisher or alarm component those kids need to treat the exit signs no different.