Fire Mage - Shadowlands: Quick Look

[@XemnasTM]

Imo, ALL legion artifact actives should be baseline for classes. They were and are some of the most interesting class changes Blizz has done in years

[@benebediktas]

I still miss my fire barrel on my brewmaster...

[@Dilllll26]

Most the artifact passives should have been aswell... most classes feel worse and have way less interraction then legion, generic essences/Azerite helped abit but that’s all gone

[@VileVamp]

Clearly, redesigning classes around artifact abilities and then removing them was fucking dumb. Should revert to MoP style design or give us back those traits.

[@Sardaukar2611]

@@VileVamp BuT mUh AzErItE aRmOr...?!

[@Nr4747]

Affli's was just pressing a button, pretty boring, imho.

[@MISTER_CEO]

Fire mage was absolutely perfect in Legion imo. They should have everything from then baseline

[@chupamacabre7634]

Just put a lot more damage outside combustion like legion. I dont want to collect the fucking infinity stones again to make a class work.

[@j_shaw]

Even during the the first raid tier in legion people were already stacking the combustion relics to get 18sec combustions. To say there was a lot of damage outside combust is definitely an overstatement, most overall dmg happened during those windows; but I do agree having PF and 3 charges on blast baseline felt much better for the overall flow outside of combustion.

[@justarandompally]

@@j_shaw In early legion you pretty much only used pf stacks during bust, unless you had bracers. Then you could also use them in your normal rop. But you had almosy negative dps outside combustion...

[@trysephiroth007]

@@j_shaw With bracers Fire had really good dps outside of combustion as well.

[@zpokie123]

Run pyroclasm the you will have a mutch more fun time outside of combust. With meteor you have 1 thing outside of combust and that can be fucked up if tank kites away. With pyro you dont have that to think about and you can fish for a pyroclasm before combust fore aome rly big ignites

[@ganondorf66]

@@zpokie123 Pyroclasm is pretty fun yeah, but if you want to do damage it's not good.

[@animehbkscm]

When will Blizzard learn to not put KEY mechanics in talents?

[@Vyomesh839]

never

[@cellrien]

Never

[@madzzzey]

Never.... They could delete talents... we all run one set

[@ignispurgatorius5297]

@@madzzzey That is kind of why I never liked this pseudo talent (it's more of a perk system really) system, most of the time it isn't even a choice and the few times there is one the choice makes you feel miserable, because you miss out on core mechanics anyway.

[@Kyrrua_]

@@ignispurgatorius5297 Retail talents objective is to make you think you did a choice... between things you should already have or things you ABSOLUTELY need in order to start playing. Instead of being something that slightly enhance your playstyle (hello talent tree, I miss you)

[@IORKI]

I'm really upset man... BFA class design was Legion but worse and now Shadowlands is BFA but slightly better ? I was expecting some major changes, I don't want to play an inferior version of the Legion Mage 4 years in a row.

[@pieror.pinatelli1341]

The whole spec needs a overhaul, they need to really take a step back and look at all the problems

[@Weslicus]

@@pieror.pinatelli1341 Just make it like legion, i dont know whats so hard for them. They struck gold and keept digging

[@JS-skankhunt42]

ReconCrusader then don’t play it mate.

[@martinbrankov8504]

IORKI mages, shadow priest, frost dk and feral so far are disappointing!

[@SadBirbHours]

Bit of an over exaggeration. Some classes feel great. Unholy DK, Paladin in general, arms warrior, Shamans are coming along nicely. Who knows, maybe Blizzard will hold to their promise of actually listening to feedback this time around and fix some of these classes that are lagging behind.

[@Inshokuten69]

"Not until we see the legendaries and covenant abilities". They should fix the problem at the source this time rather than relying on bandaids this expac as well.

[@uppymcdowny58]

Seriously. I am so done with classes being shit, and then being made viable once they acquire expansion specific items, just to have the items removed at the end of the expac, and you're back to square one. Scrap covenant abilities, make the classes interesting without bandaids and tape

[@jakubmagielski1954]

It’ extremly ufair to fire mage that classes like dk’s Got artefact ability made baseline but phonenix flame is a talent. This spec Feels so much better with 3 blasts and flames. It helps to do aoe, to burst single target and u can do machine gun pyros with combustion. I truly hope they change this talent row and give this spec more love

[@necrobale]

@Dirty Tricky Who cares about dps? That's entirely up to blizzard with tuning. Playstyle wise, fire feels like trash baseline without bracers, azerite traits, and essences. And without those things it feels even worse not having phoenix flames or pyroclasm baseline. Also fuck rune of power. AoE wise... I don't know about anyone else, but flamestrike feels like trash. Living bomb should be baseline and give us cinderstorm back. Would make our AoE a lot more interesting rather than relying on ignite damage for AoE or flame patch.

[@OG_Fireflare]

@@necrobale Big agree! I'd also kinda like Flame Orb back.

[@veron4150]

@@necrobale Shit happens, lot of classes troughout the entire duration of BfA felt like this.

[@King-Duck]

@Dirty Tricky you didnt watch the vid did you. firemage is broken AF theres nothing fun about the spec besides blizz buffing dps to make it playable. without the bfa systems. its soo boring , try playing unholy dk for an hour then move to fire... unholy is way more fun because the spec works. also DK is not mid tier.. its booming if u bother to gear it up

[@frazerrhughess]

As long as your profile pic is a clown Pepe or Pepe of any kind no one will ever respect you as an adult. This is purely aesthetic and NOT political and is 100 % the truth no matter how many little dorks try to defend it.

[@Benny-tb3ci]

How about: "Phoenix Flames is now baseline for all Fire Mages. The Ignite spreading functionality has been removed from Fire Blast. Ignite now spreads to all targets hit by Phoenix Flames." Sounds good?

[@Hansmaffai]

yeah, but they should remove phoenixflames giving u heaten up/hotstreak, so u dont feel the need to press it insider combustion like fireblast. And they should also lower the cd a bit to 20sec, so you could spread with it more frequently.

[@WontonTV]

Strongly agree. Another ability would spice up the rotation, and I much prefer active spreading to passive. DoTs passively spreading to enemies is the most brainless form of AoE I can imagine.

[@frostgodxeek]

i was boutta say venrukis idea was great for mage, especially since we kinda getting the shaft in shadowlands with blink nerf i think we could use 1 more extra useful button considering some other classes got a lot of stuff back i dont think it would be too overboard, they could always tune us accordingly too, i think its better for the health of the class

[@ignispurgatorius5297]

Gotta agree. If they took away the hot streak synergy anyway then this is pretty much the only way to make the spell relevant (outside of overbuffing it) and frankly I'd be okay with that. It would also make alot of thematic sense, just sprread it to every enemy the phoenix hits, make it 4-5 additional targets instead of 2. One of the aoe talents can be about doing part of the ignite damage to surrounding npcs.

[@darijanjamak2632]

At least we got frostbolt and arcane explosion back amirite lads? /cry

[@Manasplaining]

Ugh, can they just throw Rune of Power into the abyss.

[@zurny22]

Just this... I hate Rune of Power and it being the "best" choice so much, I will not play a mage, unless they get rid of this crap talent...

[@djdannyroach]

As a mage main I agree, I'd rather just buff the damage 10% across the board, make it instant cast or give us something else, will be less dps but I don't care it feels so clunky to have to cast a buff before casting a fireball

[@Amonieyt]

omg yes, i really loved mage. I would instantly main mage in shadowlands withouth the rune on arcane or fire even if the class has core issues

[@MrAsmil]

idk people keep saying is mandatory but I dont use it and I keep up and often times beat the other fire mage in my guild in basically mirror gear. (im also not even good)

[@acampbell337]

@@MrAsmil comparing yourself to your guild is not a fair comparison to the spec as a whole. you may do 10-20% more dmg than your guild mates, but compared to other players you might do 10-20% less, which will be a huge turn off for players. Fire is/was about burst dmg, which is why rune was always chosen. All their damage was in their burst. If this changes going into shadowlands and blizz is trying to get away from burst only dmg, then perhaps encanters could gain in favor. rune has always been about the largest possible burst dmg, and knowing when to use it and cast the correct spells within it's short timeframe. any wasted casts would be a huge dps loss.

[@NetriftAdventures]

Remember when you didn't have to get to endgame before your class/ spec felt fun to play?

[@Germankid14]

*laughs in shadow priest

[@naejimba]

Oof... hit me in the feels there. So true.

[@folonrng]

Remember when firemage was balanced around endcontent gear and not viable until it had it for actually having enough crit rate?

[@Diavolo222]

When was this exactly? you were always underpowered until you got Gear.

[@Docerdoc]

I really dont like the direction they've taken fire. It's basically arcane now with red spells instead of purple. Both are just aligning cooldowns and executing a learned sequence. Theres no dynamic element that fire used to have in MoP.

[@x3nn0n90]

Thats what happens when they decide to remove dot/stats snapshotting and make every cooldown in the game just give some stats. RIP old combust.

[@Kyrrua_]

It's an obvious given now thart all the classes were streamlined with a a change of icon colors and shallow gameplay to each making you think like you're playing a different thing. Diversity was much stronger when we were playing a FULLY COMPLETED CLASS with ALL ITS BASE TOOLS WORKING TOGETHER enhanced by its spec, instead of 30+ utterly pruned specs who forgot 70% of what their original class is out of the blue. Its insane how they made you think specs brings more diversity when they don't and in fact locked you on a very more niche gameplay. One test and exemple would be first look at the low number of abilities we have, then place each similar ability from each spe in the same place on your action bar/keybind. Then change spec and you realize you still have the same number but only their color changed. Streamlined bro.

[@TheElendix]

@@Kyrrua_ Amen brother, amen.

[@TheFrambler]

fire in MoP was exquisite, you could really see the difference in skill from those who worked properly with alter time and those who didn't, don't even get me started on how it was one of the most fun PvP specs of all time, so depressing to see it be much more facerolly now, Combust simply gives 100% crit?! are you KIDDING me???!!! fkn bullcrap

[@bigknockersOO]

all classes should have the artifact ability from legion as baseline, it is just silly to force players into an impossible or mandatory decision. btw frost mage for life ride or die.

[@djdannyroach]

People don't even take phoenix flames because flame on is way too fucking strong, it's just a dead talent which is such a shame

[@thetherapist53]

3:53 Honestly, this 100%. I legitimately have no idea why we didn't all learn our artifacts ability at the end of Legion and make those abilities part of the base class going into BFA. We poured so much into those artifacts and then its just sacrificed and lost for no good reason whatsoever.

[@Seabersify]

I'd rather say that the spread should be spreadable by Flamestrike, because 1. if I remember correctly, you choose between instant flamestrike or instant pyro, already a choice in aoe or ST, which goes into my second point 2. because of this interaction, it makes the spread easier and the damage is spread out...I also think the spread could go onto Pheonix flames for cleave fights, but that's my opinion.

[@joshuamarc8773]

Well that's the same poblem then, that Preach spoke about.

[@Seabersify]

@@joshuamarc8773 I guess, in a way sure, if you haven't got the instant cast up, however, I think you might be more likely to have an instant cast and/or more likely to line it up, especially during or shortly after combustion. Using fireblast must insinuate a range within the ignite target for it to spread, by allowing it to be spread by flamestrike, at least you can have more range and use it on adds that can't be by boss ala king rastakhan :P

[@WontonTV]

Ignite spreading via Fire Blast was standard through MoP and WoD, and I liked that just fine. Maybe it just needs more charges? Or move the spread mechanic to another ability? Passively spreading to nearby enemies is the most brainless form of AoE I can imagine.

[@3of19]

Agreed. You can't just do your single-target rotation and top the AoE damage.

[@vLavour1]

Well looks like the mage too won't be on my character roster this xpac...

[@ganondorf66]

@@Min-gy8zu That's a garbage way to look at it. I'd rather have a fun spec that gets a little more fun by adding more gear, than having a boring ass shit spec that only becomes playable after grinding. Aka mage.

[@TheFrambler]

@@Min-gy8zu no we have to act now, you can't wait till later, we expect big changes from the get go i dont care if its alpha, we should be seeing way bigger class changes for all by now hold blizzard to higher standards not WoD - BfA standards

[@marcelorodrigues5832]

@@Min-gy8zu a spec shouldn't have to rely so heavily on items to keep up to other specs that don't require that type of item grind/luck, they keep doing this to fire mages in almost every xpac.

[@OneFiveYankee]

I'm so glad Preach is doing these videos. It's really helpful for planning. I know every thing is subject to change but I like that it's giving us an idea of the current state of the game.

[@heppiheijaa]

About the ignite spreading... they coould make it so that the ignites you apply on one target charges your Flamestrike and your next flamestrike cast applies that ignite to up to 8 targets hit or so

[@DeadKultureVulture]

If it just me or does the great unpruning feel like pruning? Losing azerite, essences, and corruption to gain abilities with no interaction with your spec and one "Covenant ability". Crafted legendaries are going to have to be amazing or this is going to be another BFA

[@Diavolo222]

dont forget soulbinds and apparently there will be raid sets.

[@alyeanna]

"Give us Legion back"... Yes, yes please.

[@LyderIversen]

I read somewhere a suggestion to have Flamestrike spread your ignite, which would make sense thematically and make you consider using that instead of pyroblast towards the end of your combustion.

[@erichall090909]

New spell “Wildfire” instant cast 2 charges 15 sec CD low damage spreads Ignite to nearest 5 enemies

[@dantenazzaro8863]

Does blizzard hate there game? This is shallow and uninteresting, not just for fire mage (my once favorite class) but for every class. Blizzard is adding the illusion of adding back old school abilities similar to classic, but are still making bad decisions. I can guarantee this will be my last year of wow, I just can’t force myself another year playing this game that I once loved. I just wished they looked back at MoP.

[@tomxd8000]

After watching some streams and this video, I am highly concerned with the direction they're going with mage. Going back on some of the points preach made, first looking at talents(mainly about fire mage). In my opinion, Blizzard needs to remove these talents: blast wave,pryomaniac, blazing soul, the dragons breath talent and from what im seeing scrap the idea of the new talents they're adding with crit. Shimmer needs to be baseline at this point, and honestly so does flame on.

[@depressedonion5610]

I miss the old Dotty fire mage. Living bomb, ignite, combustion all on top of big crits. That was when Fire Mages were in their prime. I've never played a more fun class than Fire back then.

[@grumblemore1316]

I like that "Inferno Bolt" idea. If Ignite can't spread passively, why not an AoE tar ability that allows Ignite to spread to debuffed/tarred targets? Or some sort of reimagining of Shaman's Fire Nova, allowing spitting embers to leap off the main target and spread Ignite around? Just have that ability as a quick snap cast?

[@Sammysapphira]

The graphic that wildfire (the azerite trait where pressing combustion gives 4 allies a buff) has would be perfect for the ignite spread. Little cinders that jump to nearby targets.

[@grumblemore1316]

@@Sammysapphira Exactly! That would be great! Either as the animation for some "spreading cinders" ability or even If Blizzard wants to limit AoE across all classes (and is what I am assuming they are doing here with Fire) then they could easily state that Ignite scatters X magic cinders onto that specific number of nearby enemies. It's magic fire. If you don't want it spreading too widely then just say that it is "magically restricted"

[@hookshot320]

PLEASE GIVE US LEGION FIRE MAGE BACK!!! UGHHHHH This is so upsetting to see... :(

[@Giliver]

A lot of the casters are sounding pretty meh this expansion. The melee are sounding a lot better in comparison. I invision seeing a lot of hunters this expansion.

[@ampelec]

Hunters, shamans, paladins, warriors will be the most popular imo

[@ziadyaacoub2532]

@@ampelec as always?

[@TheFrambler]

*SV hunters, MM and BM are boring as a mofo

[@ampelec]

@@ziadyaacoub2532 haha yes you could say that. Maybe shaman and paladin in particular

[@Farfa]

I think with the ignite spreading change its better they just make living bomb baseline and allow thst to be your ignite spread. Because right now like you said it seems stupid that your hot streak creator is fire blast while also your AOE. I don't get it. It's too convoluted and contradictory.

[@HybridDBela]

Phoenix Flames baseline as an ability that spreads ignite would make fire so much smoother.

[@DrPluton]

That change to Ignite spreading just cements my decision to play my elemental shaman in Shadowlands. I don't understand why they're adding fun-averse changes to so many specs.

[@ictinuswow]

Alter Time stopped interacting with buffs after MoP IIRC. I'm fairly sure it was nerfed going into WoD to only affect health/mana.

[@Amasoful]

Preach we can't see the frost mage vid Also in the shadowlands playlist some vids are marked as private or deleted

[@Seph.ackerman]

So far - I see no caster specc beside Ele shaman that really looks complete and nice.

[@MrDsilvia]

I wanna see more class changes and less bolt on stuff, i.e cover power / purple's. I dont want the class to play the same as it does now. That's boring a.f imo. I hate when blizzards says they are happy with a class...they are usually the only ones who are.

[@ryans3795]

Some classes are good, but I still pretty much agree. Besides bfa's bad classes the one class I am truly missing is legions arcane mage. Sure, the ramp up time wasn't always the fastest, but we did have a spell to give us 4 charges if we needed. I can't play arcane more than 5 minutes without being disappointed now.

[@jonathanmyer1522]

What if they made it so when you use fireblast it makes your next pyro spread ignite. that way the pyro's ignite damage would get spread as well

[@SpartSubLH]

The question I have is can you triple ignite spread using fireblasts between multiple targets, similar to double ignite stacking with old combust in WoD.

[@shampanje]

I think the fireblast thing is so that you have a choice, do massive ST dmg or good AoE dmg.

[@sleazysid253]

Stopped playing Retail a little over a year ago, and stopped Classic about 2 months ago. Been watching these videos pretty closely to see if SL would be worth coming back for. Nope. Looks like my time with WoW, after 15 years, has finally come to an end. Just not a good time anymore. Hope you all enjoy SL.

[@dyingearth]

Whenever I play mage, I always play Fire Mage. Fire Mage at the start of any expansion have ALWAYS been the worst Mage spec. It's mostly due to lack of critical and haste rating. As always, at the end of the expansion, they'd become very competitive due to those deficits being addressed with gear. Now they're trying to prenerf the mage and make it even worse at the start of Shadowland?

[@PoldaranOfDalaran]

That's how it's looking yeah. I'm pretty not happy with this. Unless the soulbinds or legendaries address the issue somehow, fire mage might be in a terrible spot until .2/.3

[@brambeam568]

As a fire mage main. Just literally give us legion fire mage back and all good lol easy fix move on to shaman!

[@gozao100]

the reason they want ignite spread in hands of the player is because there bugs related with ignite where it spreads to unintended mobs, differet floor levels in certain dungeons are a pain, anyone who main fire mage know how ignite is a pain to deal with at times, when you have to kite mobs you cant cause ignite will spread to more mobs getting you killed.

[@KaminaTribal]

why not give Flamestrike the ability to spread Ignite? it makes perfect sense in terms of spreading aoe. you won't be limited by Fire Blast's charges, gimping your Combustion, and your rotation retroactively works without any changes (i don't main a mage so if i'm wrong pardon me).

[@zzZzZZzZZz7593]

I will come back to fire mage once Pyro blast hits as hard as it should be, not this dot based weird spam spec. 90% of the dmg this spec deals should come from Fire ball, Pyro, fire blast and scorch. Oh what would I give to get back the fire mage from Cata or MoP, glorious times, especially in PvP.

[@MianoraStonecrow]

This!

[@Crimsonfangg]

When's the monk specs coming, or did I miss it already?

[@somebloke.]

He's probably forgotten about us :,(

[@quelzar]

Almost nothing new for monk, just brewmaster can feel that 'new' abilty

[@mistweaverjc7898]

from what i seen so far basically all the stuff they took from the specs they are just giving back.

[@KlaelDemon]

He just tested that stuff today afaik, so it's probably coming tomorrow.

[@xylisisvarlett3734]

They have to overhaul firemage. I dunno make it so that you put a fire dot on your enemy, and you have to bast them to get the dot higher. Feeding the flames, you could say.

[@benthomson4449]

Can you alter time the teleport to the bottom level of the last boss. Teleporting back to the boss after or during its transportation.

[@Lichdemonz]

My question is how the unpruned abilities play into the mage specs? Are frostbolt and arcane explosion usable, or are they just dead abilities because they're slapped onto BfA mages without any way for them to interact with the main rotation? (like i suspected they would when all of this was first announced) Edit: After watching and not seeing the playing mage cast AE once or even have Frostbolt on their bar, I'm going to assume the latter... -_-

[@ignispurgatorius5297]

All of them are situational: Frostbolt - well at least it slows. That is usefull sometimes. Firebolt - well the gimmik is a dot, so when fighting bad rogues maybe? AE - finish of little rubbish and critters. Torghast to nuke vases - because lazy. Frost ward- well if something deals frost damage you get more shielding power. Fire shield - well if something deals fire damage you get more shielding power. These were never going to be huge partsof the rotation of the unrelated specs, they were always going to situational at best, flavor at worst.

[@chriss6356]

i don't think the devs play the game....if they played at all they would know that fire mage is going to be doodoo once mechagon bracers and blaster master are gone

[@sephrinx4958]

6:28 - "Rank 2 Pyroblast, that gives it a DoT" --- Wait, what? When did they remove the DoT from Pyroblast?

[@Nightvain09]

Makes sense with another ability to spread ignite, but it shouldn't be fire blast.. Having the ability to choose not to ignite on bolstering, but keep the ST dmg with fire blast would be great

[@velttovee]

for Ignite same kind of stuff like Demo warlock Implosion?? Like couple charges with x cooldown to spread Ignite

[@ConeJellos]

Preach says "ignite" weird.

[@deLumren]

Off-topic: Can we get Kyrian Ascendants as mounts? I would pay top coin to ride on the back of a big blue woman :S

[@ryantwomey3463]

they needed to incorporate the artifacts into the specs baseline ability and passive all of it but they are soo fucking reluctant to add anything permanent

[@marcfleuren7691]

Just make the base classes fun and interactive. Now in BFA most of the classes play ok because they have been propped up by essences and azerite. I really fear we are in for a similar experience to BFA launch where losing all this rental power reveals your classes flaws without all this extra stuff...

[@Kookiebiskit]

I just wish fire had the old combustion dot spell back. I don't care how many times they have to tweak it because of gear scaling, getting a good combustion was infinitely more satisfying than just spamming out instants with a big boom boom buff up.

[@cadburysmurf6638]

I hate how they're reselling WoD Alter Time as if that's the spell we wanted back. MoP Alter Time with pyroclasm procs would be awesome, but no, glorified Temporal Shield it is

[@liangdar9675]

True, I never even used alter time in WoD. I couldn't care less about it. The mop alter time is probably just to hard for bad players so they will never add it back.

[@TheElendix]

@@liangdar9675 get proc, press alter time, use proc, press alter time, use proc....oh my god.....any dumb fuck can do that lol doesnt require a genius

[@Dilllll26]

TheElendix don’t tell him that! Otherwise he won’t feel special anymore! ;)

[@cadburysmurf6638]

He doesn't want a shit version of Alter Time, hardly him being 'special" lol

[@Jazza889]

Make Phoenix Flames and Searing Touch base, and add Detonate, immediately dealing the value of your current ignite to surrounding targets and spreading it to them - or add the ignite spread function to Living Bomb. Pretty sad to see current fire can't hold a candle to Legion fire, hopefully we see some positive changes

[@Kyrrua_]

Wow old class design : Every ability is simple, individually impactful in term of damage and matters almost 80% in your damages all the time while cooldowns are bigger (and more punishing) and go from 20% to 10% of your overall damage in your entire life playing the CLASS. Wow new class design: Each ability taken individually barely scratches your enemy and you have to complete 4 or 5 time a rotation of spell before feeling to have done something impactful in term of health damage. But even then your numerous rotations are like 30% or 40% of your overall damage. 65% of your total damage in your whole lifespan comes from very low cooldowns used in your rotation every 25sec or minute (they became your rotation) or you feel like absolute crap outside of it. Just look at what Pyro's impact was before and its impact now...

[@LoserZalbo]

So it's basically baseline BFA fire with WoD ignite spreading? And Mirror image. Sounds like we're getting WoD alter time too, rather than the mists one. Ugh.

[@tierdra9513]

The current fire kit should be rolled into the next xpac tbh. Roll the lucid effect into the rank 2 combustion. Make flame on an active ability and maybe bring in blaster master into the same tier as rune - actually put some competition on that tier.

[@jwbartle]

You say Alter Time looks to be reworked so it no longer can be used to extend buffs, but Alter Time was already reworked to do that... back in WoD. It was a talent which virtually no one ever took (in PvE at least).

[@kaptnawesome]

How does it play in the single target rotation? This might just be more of their over war on aoe

[@cryogenical_]

I think the major problem with Fire Mage at the minute in BFA is how it's so designed around combustion that it hardly does any damage outside of it. I hope they're going to make it a bit more regular, so that you're not just sitting there doing fuckall except for 10 seconds every 2 minutes.

[@TheSorusLP]

Tbh I‘d like to see the wod combust return. Where you had to create a big ignite, combusted, spread it with fireblast and watch everything around the primary target get annihilated

[@adamwilliams3336]

Flamestrike spread the ignite?

[@whyabadi]

Flamestrike could be potentially a way to spread Ignites.

[@jiricech6370]

Stuff like arcane explosion and death and decay is useful in PVP. It really makes a difference against those pesky stealth classes. Soo, just maybe that's reason you have them.

[@morgenmuffel5747]

The joys of 2 expacs of borrowed power through layered systems

[@gorkubuk]

How come your miror images cast fire ball?

[@Nickazur]

What Mage Need: - No more Power Rune Mechanics. It sucks bad. - Actual Spells that makes sense between specs! Ok Mirror image. But Fireblast, Frostbolt and Arcane Explotion do not makes any sense. they are toolkits i maybe can use if needed. What i mean those spells are not a solid needed base like could be in example poisons for rogues! What Fire need: - Phoenix Flames Base Line. - As Preach said a spell to spread the Ignite DOT, or keep it like it is now in BfA.

[@timmytwotimes9936]

I’m a casual player who will not raid. I just don’t have the time. With that said, I like Fire because in casual pve it is fun. Did they take the fun away with the changes here?

[@agoogleuser560]

Doesn't living bomb spread ignites?

[@The0SP]

Thanks for all you do!

[@MIngalls]

THey made ignite not spread for PVP purposes if I'm not mistaken. It ruins your polymorphs.

[@ismurfedu2162]

Fire is terrible unless your doing a keystone over 20 and In certain dungeons .. I did a 14 with my 1.45k io in waycrest and I did 0 dps on the maggots in the hallways and ppl called me bad and to kms

[@lakko8156]

When are they gonna remove rune of power?! That talent alone is why i havent played my mage in a long time

[@MaliciousCat]

As long as Frost mages have good PVE survivability still, im good.

[@zpokie123]

I think that the pyroclasm will be better i shadowlands. If you go into a combust with a hotstreak and a pyroclasm proc you wont need as many fire blasts to generate the pyros and pyroclasm will be bigger than the meteor especially if you have scrub tanks that move things out of meteor.

[@denisnedenis3648]

Fire died when Blizzards reworked combustion. And died again when rune of power came out.

[@Merinzify]

been playing my mage since Vanilla, and I still don't understand WTF they are doing with it, it's like they don't understand why it's strong, why it's weak, why it's fun or unfun Can we double or triple spread with fireblast ( like in WoD ? ) Right now I really think they need to completely rework all talents row except the two last rows ( but reworking conflag would be a good idea too... ), not gonna happen...

[@zeNNoN999]

Remove rop and if and you’ve solved the problem of dmg multipliers that forces you into the combustion and specific problems. It’s been like that since the begining of these talants. Without them you would gave much more leveled out dmg output and non clunky gameplay that you can even use outside the raid.

[@caine8075]

They call it the unpruning yet still there are 3 legion abilities in the talents smh

[@Wild_Open]

I was hoping for a Legion (ish) fire mage comeback but it seems like we're not getting that. And Phoenix Flames not contributing to hotstreak is just dumb. You'll never choose it now. If it caused hotstreak it would at least be good in some areas, possibly.

[@sdracklryeg]

Does combustion reset the fireblast CD when used ? That’s how it worked in WOD and I feel WOD was the peak of fire mage. Didn’t like the direction fire went I legion where it basicslly non stop instant casts. The methodical slower paced fire hard hitting fire from WOD where you had to consciously decide when to fireblast (or inferno strike as they called it) played better imo. Cata fire also good. MoP too fast paced also but thats a general criticism of every single class in MoP. Edit: In hindsight maybe I like WOD fire so much because the black rock foundry tier bonus and unintentionally designed ignite stacking made fire disgustingly overpowered for aoe and cleave fights.

[@SmoreDragon]

Are there any positiv news about the SPriest?? I don't wanna Ditch him... Being forced into healing is already a nightmare

[@theroyalcam]

just reroll dude lol

[@Dirkage]

make flamestrike always instant cast, do piddly damage but spread ignite

[@swiftyfun88]

so they giving us WOD version of Alter Time basically.

[@TheDrunkMMOer]

at least I got classic

[@Shoniforce]

so phoenix flames fixes this?

[@nerulon089]

One of my main problem with wow is there are a lot of useless talents... Blizzard just gives you the illusion of choice, but in reality there is only 1 option, unless you are going with the feeling of the character, but you wont get any place in dungeons or raids.

[@zdeneksrb5828]

saw rune of power and no not gona play, alson when they announce shadowlands everyone haped for class changes, now Preach in every video "i feel pretty much the same" :D

[@docc3371]

Phoenix Flames baseline would be great here.

[@lollingtoon]

Why didn’t blizz make artifact baseline for all. Even if they wanted some lore shit they could have said “you have so much knowledge on this artifact that you know now everything about it” or some shit. As a main mage from vanilla, I’m a bit disappointed with all 3 specs atm. Early alpha so still hopeful

[@okerbel]

I want my combustion spread back...

[@fade9004]

I feel like you deliberately waited on reviewing mage because you knew it was going to be awful but didn't want to give such bad news so early.

[@bored4428]

I wish they would just bring back Phoenix's Flames.

[@TOHALLORAN55]

Starting to think Blizzard is unable to just keep things both steady and fun, they take 1 step forward in one place, & one step back in another in every xpac

[@DyLemmaOG]

"Give all these things back baseline like we used to have" yeah that sums up fire, I fucking hated it in BFA and it's the exact same in shadowlands but worse, yikes.