Fire service bosses talked about wanting to 'kill' and harm female colleagues | ITV News

The chief fire officer (CFO) and assistant chief fire officer (ACFO) of Shropshire Fire and Rescue Service both sent messages suggesting they wanted to kill or harm female colleagues.
In the WhatsApp messages - which have been leaked to ITV News - the senior officers also use the words "lazy cow", "bint" and "useless" to refer to women in the service.
Several of the messages target Area Manager Jan Morris, who resigned from the service this year after reading what had been said about her.
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[@harley6222]

These are death threats. My heart goes to that poor woman who has done nothing but take her career seriously. Those misogynistic little men need jail time.

[@SheilaR.08]

​@@however-yh2jyIf you work in public safety, where lives are at risk at any given time while on calls, this sort of misogynistic bullshit can emphatically be life threatening. They are meant to have each other's backs in the most dangerous of circumstances, and leaders (term used as loosely as possible) like this put in danger the lives of women in their ranks with this childish boys' club garbage. You should consider getting a grip yourself.

[@NALalonde71]

​@@however-yh2jyAre you asking for evidence that "misogyny costs lives"?

[@ReviewAndAnalysis2732]

Get over yourself. It’s not a death threat.

[@WOODWORKVEGAN]

@@however-yh2jywhat planet are you from? There are several different threats uncovered here, one of them is a death threat.

[@however-yh2jy]

@@WOODWORKVEGAN so these men directly said or communicated to the woman or women "we are going to kill you"?

[@whomadethewordword5035]

Why are those men still in their jobs???

[@cyndlehick9777]

@@however-yh2jyyeah but they’re threatening to kill their co workers that’s not right.

[@silencedxdesire]

@@however-yh2jythey should absolutely lose their jobs. Someone with that attitude toward an innocent woman shouldn’t be tasked with being a public servant of any sort

[@Maz-zb9uf]

Because they run service

[@grievingmom]

@@however-yh2jy or, follow me here, what if their misogyny actually leads to them letting certain people die when they have to choose who to go to first? It sounds like you are saying if you are good at something you can just harass and scare everyone else around you with no consequences...maybe if we weed all the shitty men out of leadership positions it would enable good leaders to actually get those roles.

[@silencedxdesire]

@@grievingmom 💯

[@JackieBrown93]

What is it with men who work in emergency services?? Police full of these types too.

[@sjanex]

They’re supposed to help & care for people but some of them seem to genuinely hate women. It scares me!

[@jamietherooster]

What is it with women claiming 'misogyny' for men taking a disliking to individual women based on their behaviour? Surely a woman can dislike one man and not be a misandrist so why not the other way? PS Paul Slimeball Brand and ITV spend a lot of money and time on these investigations, do you really think they're going to return empty handed? Don't take the findings too seriously

[@andrewjones-productions]

@@jamietherooster Taking a dislike to an individual is normal. Taking issue with someone's performance on the job is also normal. What isn't normal is the immature, unprofessional, unnecessary name calling, insults and threats made by these two senior officers. There is absolutely no need whatsoever for the turn of phrase used in these messages. These two senior male fire officers have acted inappropriately with gross unprofessional conduct at best and with incredible prejudice at worst.

[@tgfabthunderbird1]

Men like this are taught by their fathers and peers that this is acceptable. That only men should do "men's work," that men lead and women are only good for certain roles. They get ever more defensive and scared as the world moves on without them and so they cling to what little they have. And of course it's everyone's fault but theirs.

[@jamietherooster]

@@andrewjones-productions oh well atleast you agree there was no misogyny. Just name calling and unprofessional insults

[@sandramurray5879]

They should both be sacked! Absolutely disgusting, poor lady.

[@cassann2249]

No they shouldn't! She quit! If she had stayed maybe something would have been done but rather than complete a physical fitness program she complained it was too hard for women and then quit! No one threatened her at all they were just talking to eachother in private conversations she should never have been shown those messages because they were none of her business and not some nefarious plot!

[@bunjijumper5345]

At some point men get upset, it's not fair to have men work harder and be required to do more, and get paid the same as the women do.

[@sandramurray5879]

@@bunjijumper5345 Yes, you are absolutely right. Men definitely have more physical strength than women. It's not a job I could ever do and I am surprised that women go into that profession.

[@naomicoward4687]

They should be sent to jail and have to deal with their punishment

[@kalhilton9703]

@@cassann2249you’re fooling yourself if you think they shouldn’t be punished, of course they threatened her and other women, and you think that’s acceptable ? I’m glad I don’t work with you !

[@m.macdog5113]

How can these men get so far up the ladder ? They should be sacked immediately. Disgraceful

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

Men protect other men. In the US we call it the “Good Ole Boys” and it’s like a club. They actively keep women down/out

[@however-yh2jy]

Because they are good at saving people from getting burned up in fires, which is the only thing the fire service are for. Oh and getting kittens down from trees. Good ladder pun though

[@theanimator85]

​@@however-yh2jyWhat kind of argument is that? By your logic, it's OK for a firewoman to plot to kill her male colleagues because she saved other lives before! The fact that someone saved lives doesn't give them free pass to kill or plot to kill. It's not "hey I saved a couple yesterday so now I'm allowed to kill my laundry guy 'causes he pisses me off". !!

[@however-yh2jy]

@@theanimator85 nobody was plotting to kill anyone. You have turned misogynistic banter into a murder plot. You are hysterical

[@cassann2249]

They moved up the ladder because the lazy woman quit her job!

[@willieverusethis]

Here in the US I recall my college boyfriend and his buddies, who worked at a fire station, saying awful things about the first woman on their "team". They made her life a living hell, and she stood up to them. They wouldn't talk to her, eat with her, watch TV with her, and they would do rotten things like leave her to handle the big hose alone, while they never did that to one another. They felt it was an assault on their masculinity that a woman could do their "manly" job, and they tried to make it so that she couldn't.

[@Lily_of_the_Forest]

I hope you broke up with that A-hole.

[@justinenglish_5750]

So by theur fragile masculinity they endangered the team with non-solidarity

[@OrangeySky11]

@@Lily_of_the_Forest I bet you do.

[@Lily_of_the_Forest]

@@OrangeySky11 you bet right

[@Ran-33]

Fragile masculinity

[@diannerayner2099]

My daughter has worked for the fire service in Shropshire, dedicated, hard working and genuinely wanting to do her very best, above and beyond, only to be blasted by and targeted for, whatever reason, we cannot see why. Maybe the saying "stones get thrown at the ripest fruit" is true. There are some very evil and misogynistic little men out there, even in the fire service, sadly, feel very threatened by strong and honourable women

[@riverdeep399]

I heard how the talk about the female recruits and judge them. Cancelled my application on the spot. That's not who you want to put your safety in the hands of.

[@sandramurray5879]

They definitely feel threatened by women. Can't believe this is 2024 and not the 1950's.

[@laughingshaman1]

They do this because they hate women who step outside of the limits they have in their minds for women. They’re also incredibly weak, insecure men. They feel less masculine because a woman can do the same job they do. They should be dismissed.

[@5DNRG]

...esp in the fire service!

[@lizcollinson2692]

​@@Evilroco Don't be absurd there is no gender preferences in fire services, they are still dominantly men. Some groups offer training to boost support the fitness levels equal to men.

[@benjones4246]

This is extremely sad to see. Jan was my boss for a while in Avon. She was well liked by firefighters and she stuck up for us. Texts by senior managers should not be seen as a reflection of the fire service as a whole. I am a male firefighter and have never heard anyone say a bad word about Jan.

[@djlivvy46]

What would you have done if you had heard them?

[@breezem77]

​@@Volundur9567 lazy according to who? The above text literally says she was well-liked.

[@HollieHolliewood]

Sounds like damage control.

[@vanessashimoni6548]

@@Volundur9567She was also referred to as “a cow”. Do you need more information to determine if they’re correct in their description.

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

Just because YOU never heard anything negative said about her, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen… you’re calling her a liar, when there’s proof she’s been targeted. That’s gaslighting. You’re gaslighting her and other women reading your words. Shame on you

[@MegTelevised]

Jealousy I wonder how they feel about their own daughters

[@kgrand62]

As long as their daughters "know their place" they'll be fine.

[@danielhughes441]

I am sure they abuse their spouses and children

[@JackieBaisa]

Or wives. Or mothers. I mean, how can someone just hate half the people on the planet so much?

[@AT-cy7im]

@Jackie I ask myself the very same thing. I work as contract manager in construction. I am most of the time the only woman on meetings and audits and lucky for my I know how to run my work so that folks collaborate but I stay away from socializing as I don’t trust most of them.

[@VixxKong2]

Notice how these type of men are always hostile to any males around their daughters? It's because they know how their kind treats women

[@i_kissed_a_pixie1537]

Is anyone actually shocked? We see this type of talk online everywhere. I’ve ignored men like this all my life and have been lucky to not work with them. Such poor boundaries and nasty language exposes the reality. Get them out

[@NeighborhoodOfBlue]

Ignoring them empowers them. The only way this stops is to not tolerate it.

[@i_kissed_a_pixie1537]

@@NeighborhoodOfBlue feeding a fire doesn’t put it out. Men or women who just chat rubbish need to be totally ignored. But people can’t help themselves

[@VixxKong2]

​@@i_kissed_a_pixie1537 When you ignore it, it feeds the fire. They become bold and think they should be allowed to talk like this and even show their hatred in actions

[@ADarkInTheLight]

I'm not shocked. I've seen misogyny get worse over the past few years here in the states at least. Gee, I can't imagine why with the leadership we've had. 🤔

[@leighannclements7849]

Vile they both should be sacked and charge with threatening behaviour and making death threats.

[@however-yh2jy]

Even though they didn't actually do either of those things?

[@blueluna45]

It's weird to think that some members of a profession that is made up of mostly men, who by the way most of the public looks at as brave and courageous, can feel so fragile, shaken and threatened as to turn to making such horrible, threatening, harmful statements.

[@mmills5965]

I didn't understand misogyny until I saw a history program about women going into the workplace during WWI. The union would not allow the women to be fully skilled to do the whole job only part of each process. Their rational "If women could do the whole job it would devalue the skill level of men" 😮. So, in short, women are a threat to how men value themselves and why men are so vicious towards women. They absolutely do NOT want women to be able to do what they do.... the above is generalisation when I say men as I'm a man and can see how toxic it is to our society but since seeing that program I see misogyny everywhere and this what happens when you are valued by your sex, race, religion etc rather than who you are

[@however-yh2jy]

It's just the culture. All this stuff about fragile masculinity is just feminist wishful thinking. They do it to men too, hazing etc.

[@mmills5965]

@however-yh2jy Congratulations on proving the point and being blind to your own misogyny "fragile masculinity is just feminist wishful thinking"

[@sabrinamystified]

​@@however-yh2jystop the troll and grow up. Get a job.

[@however-yh2jy]

@@sabrinamystified disagreeing with something isn't trolling, just like saying something isn't the same as conspiracy to do it. Apart from anything else I'm actually concerned that some women appear to be living in constant fear of being murdered and are seeing threats where they don't exist.

[@tanyam3090]

Journalist shows her previously unseen message …camera zooms in for her reaction….. friggen disgusting behaviour by all involved. Hope they are happy they got the reaction they wanted. The men sending the messages should be immediately stood down.

[@breezem77]

Omg I just commented on that. It's emotionally predatory to the lady being interviewed AnD the viewers. Wtf is wrong with this reporter????

[@DMG64]

He shouldn't have done that.

[@YoYo-gt5iq]

Thought the same thing

[@tyfaknee]

How can you criticize the interviewer, camera operator or whoever for doing their job when y’all sat there & watched it. People then get all sanctimonious & mad w/ the tv crew. Focus on the problem at hand which is those 2 men, not the interviewer.

[@DMG64]

@@tyfaknee he'd already done his job. It's the unnecessary exposure preying on vulnerability that's being discussed here. Don't mince my words.

[@vickiesorenson2383]

They really don’t want women in this profession. The fact that they would text on this and continue to target women in the department needs to be addressed. Both men should be fired and this woman deserves compensation.

[@Volundur9567]

None of them want to have women. Nobody likes this woman, so it kinda makes me wonder why the entire department hates her so much.

[@loyceholland6201]

She wasn’t looking to overthrow them. She asked to be equal and they wanted to kill her? Is this how they decide who they save when responding to citizens in need of rescue? Watching from Texas in shock. Firefighters were looked at as the real hero how disgraceful.

[@AT-cy7im]

@loyceholland yep shocked as well It’s the culture in most male dominated work places, from banking to construction to shipping or police and fire services. Years ago even becoming a female doctor was a challenge because of this.someone who’s a doctor was telling us laughing of all the nasty stuff they would do to female training doctors to make them quite(hiding cadaver parts in the uniform pockets and such)

[@jenelllorman1448]

This is why women choose the bear!

[@LiberalsRuinEverything.]

Ikr especially if they’re the ones who only identify as women

[@bluetickbeagles116]

💯 and also the 4B movement!

[@efrazer9019]

The same kind of entitled people exist in higher levels of every organisation, no morals whatsoever.

[@bartfoxy112]

This is absolutely horrific, what the hell is wrong with some people?!

[@ethanpowell7428]

Some people in the fire service are bullies I was in the Fire Cadets and was bullied and I am not a woman it can happen to anyone

[@bartfoxy112]

@@ethanpowell7428 I am so sorry you had to go through that Ethan, hope you're doing well

[@ethanpowell7428]

@@bartfoxy112 Thank you 🙏🏻 for the kind words yes I am doing fine now but still I believe there needs to be a review into our fire and rescue services and police forces because it’s gotten out of control

[@BellaR.]

I don’t get hurt I get pissed and even

[@banksiasong]

Not "people", it's MEN.

[@evamoore4718]

Despicable! They should all be jailed for this bullying and harassment.

[@deborahwhit118]

Sounds like they were planning a murder.

[@jpc3603]

This is completely disgusting, I'm beyond sick of these men abusing their power. It is happening the world over in almost every work sector. I literally am no longer mates with some guys who defend R.Kelly just because he "made good music" 🤬

[@jamietherooster]

How are they abusing their power?

[@allwrighty100]

Literally?

[@anitarogers2877]

​@@user-wi1xw5sd1c Hmmm. So what about the person that creates the music, regardless of whether you deem it good? You would continue to buy their music, helping to continue to make them rich, even though they lacked integrity and a moral compass, and were possibly abusing children and women? Yet that is OK, because you enjoy listening to their music? Subliminal messages and a form of hypnotism, brainwashing, is more the reason you would enjoy the music of someone so corrupt. They would certainly have the financial backing and powerful contacts, to do such an endeavour, if 'scratching backs' to make big money, out of someone else's pursuits, is the carrot.

[@noramartin96]

@@jamietherooster Have you listened or read these'conversation' about this woman . You really are the biggest prik ever. That's why I suggest you go love yourself ...got the message ?

[@deborahwhit118]

​@@jamietheroosterinferior complex from having a Vienna sausage 😂

[@adamweston4152]

The former head of the fire service in Wales Huw jakeway was a bully in school and he regularly picked on me, I'm so happy he was found out.

[@elizabethbesco4758]

Class action lawsuit. Why had this gone on for so long.

[@gerriebell2128]

This is England. They don’t do that very often. People put up with a lot of unfairness, in all walks of life there, between the social class and gender prejudices, and so they are behind the US. Their words talk of gender equality but it’s not happening in real life. I lived in Scotland for 6 years and have dear friends that told me about their experiences.

[@c.t5136]

What is abundantly clear from this footage is that they are not only unprofessional, but a shambolic risk to a service that is meant to protect and serve, by sharing such infantile, bullying and quite worrying messages/ images over social media. Flying high above 'should know better' - no excuses.

[@Pinkyandthebrain290]

So she has evidence plus it’s on this program. It’s unfair dismissal, mobbing, harassment. The fire service need to answer. They must put those two on leave whilst they investigate or better yet get a independent investigator and that way it’s no conflict of interest or potential underhand answers saying “oh everything’s completely fine and there’s no wrong doing”.

[@nillyk5671]

Excuse me? They are still working while she is not? This whole world is upside down.

[@ddlang2514]

Little tiny men.

[@deborahwhit118]

Inferior complex from having a Vienna sausage 😂

[@deborahwhit118]

Inferior complex from having a Vienna sausage 😂

[@restezlameme]

As a fireman's daughter across the pond, I've never seen this locally, but hot damn---those two need to be fired. It's obvious to anyone that these men are both immature and insecure to severe degrees. The fact that they feel so threatened by a competent female doesn't say much for their emotional intelligence. A fire chief was ousted from my hometown for two documented bullying incidents, and that was far less than this. She should sue both of them for their pensions.

[@HelenCamile63]

Misogyny is alive and well all over the world. Remarkable and repugnant in 2024.

[@lauratomczak6797]

its the same in the U.S.A. They force women out of Fire and Police roles by being horrible continually until they quit

[@LKre-vi5oq]

Exactly

[@deborahwhit118]

Most women cops act the same way. The Popo need to be reeducation.

[@Mpz3cat]

I work in what used to be a male dominated industry 20 years ago and I face sexism. IWe think we’re so civil and advanced but we still have a long way to go.

[@nanarose8537]

Agreed! Same here. The insults and harassment were way beyond. The ugly words regarding my hair, 'need to wear makeup', bra size, natural beauty needs lipstick too, why do we have to take orders from 'that', must be a lesbian, etc etc. Even though my performance evaluations remarked favorably regarding my work ethic and being a team player, constant negative and degrading discussion about me not being worthy of my raise in pay, and ethnicity were the daily topics. Ugh!! Those guys behaved as though they would never have a modicum of respect for women, ever!

[@sabrinamystified]

I say all women should stop dating and getting married to men. Stop having kids too. They're expensive anyways. There's a movement called 4B in Korea because of these kind of things happening too often.

[@katsgrin6781]

​@nanarose8537 working in male industries really made me realize that indeed most men no not respect women, but will gladly tell you they do. But in most cases men are referring to the women their lives that are worth of respect, everyone else is just a woman.

[@amiralions2681]

How can they act as if they don't have mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, aunts, cousins, nieces, girlfriends, etc...?

[@theodorathompson2034]

They’re fine with women just being wives, mothers etc - that’s the point!

[@bevs9995]

when meh are sexually frustrated --- they act like they are victims. That is just part of their psychology

[@bobbinsew]

What is really concerning is how their active dislike of women is going to affect how they behave whilst out on a fire, their despicable attitude would put female officers in danger as they wouldn’t look out for their safety as they would for male officers. They should be prosecuted

[@adrianappleyard4005]

Fire service marking their own homework. What a sham.

[@fnk101]

OMG Shocking, they must be Sacked ASAP & she must be paid millions

[@LindaG858]

Fire service bosses only looking out for their a_s. Should have been immediately dismissed from their duties!

[@imabosssorta1923]

If this is how they feel about their own colleague, imagine how they feel when they go to calls where women are involved. They probably begrudgingly do what they're there to.

[@however-yh2jy]

That is a ridiculous statement. If you can find one example of the fire service not bothering on grounds of gender, ethnicity or any other identity I would be fascinated to hear about it

[@graciefreebush394]

They sound completely insane.

[@lizcollinson2692]

Yes

[@Minihopa]

You correct the problem by suspending the two men without pay pending investigation and insert women into their leadership positions. There are a lot of women who can keep up with the physical demands in a firehouse. The misogynistic culture continues if men aren't called out and taught to behave properly and respectfully around women. One would think men would innately treat women better simply because they have mothers.

[@AT-cy7im]

Yep I agree. As a tennis player I played the local league and university club and once in a while I would play a friendly game with males who at the start of the game where always bashing and laughing that they play against a woman until I would beat them. I thought they were not the strongest players and I had the upper hand of being good technically, but still to this day I can never understand the bullying or the bashing around mentality

[@ethanpowell7428]

That is absolutely horrific!!!!

[@elizabethmusso5946]

Of course rhe chief thinks there is no toxicity in the workplace. 🙄

[@clemensvanaken]

A very heroic job. She should not resign. I think she has the right attitude, as she says herself, she just wanted to make a difference. She should actually be the Chief Fire Officer, how a about that?

[@ethanpowell7428]

Absolutely

[@sandramurray5879]

Totally agree with you.

[@maryclynch9356]

It's everywhere. Women stand no chance.

[@dcanes5720]

What’s scary is these men prob have wives….how do their wives excuse these views. We can thank the likes of Andrew Tate for this… an insignificant man who will have decades of detrimental influence on the relations between men and women.

[@msswart9119]

💔💔💔💔💔

[@BellaR.]

BS, this woman ain’t weak They can talk all they want, bet they can’t talk like that in my face. Cowards

[@crazyinclarence5531]

​@@jdgoesham5381your account has a whole 4 subscribers.. interesting

[@cherieharley4532]

Here in the US, the fire culture is really hard on women too. I knew a young firewoman who was told what to make/cook and bring in the next day. The other firemen would tell her at the end of the shift what she was to bring in the next day, homemade cinnamon rolls, baklava, etc. Just really entitled and exist, this was in Wichita, Kansas. Hopefully it wasn't to this heinous level.

[@jackieburleson342]

Whoever is at the top of an organization sets the tone for the entire organization… Experienced it in large US corporations…

[@SuperKinlo]

I’ve been in both the military and fire service and the culture in the fire service was stuck in the 1980s whereas the army was much more modern. I thought it would have been the other way around.

[@happyhermit3141]

These two "chiefs" clearly have too much time on their hands. I suggest they be given even more time to go fishing and leave their jobs to people who will actually do the job instead of trashing any member of their team. And woe to any woman who's in need of being saved from a house fire. These two would probably just leave her to perish.

[@Karina_Engr]

Thanks for bringing lights to these fragile egos who can’t handle a woman doing the same job as them.

[@nobodyshekatonchires7981]

How can you trust these men to not think the same about the people they're supposed to be saving and not help them

[@Himmiefan]

Many of these men are on steroids. Roid rage in police and fire depts is real.

[@chihirostargazer6573]

Steroids cause misogyny?

[@KatherineUribe-1]

I'm shocked but, unfortunately, not surprised.

[@barbarahaines7661]

The old boys network

[@deborahwhit118]

Not for long!!

[@PureJoyJoyPure]

Heroic woman for speaking out- i can't imagine how terrified she was. Post office, the Met, Civil Service, CBI...British corporate culture needs to do better, lack of accountability at the top is the root of these problems.

[@judyoger]

You know it is just naked male insecurity, when faced with a woman who is performing with dignity and grace. As long as a woman can perform at service standards, none of this should be tolerated. Male or Female you are part of the team, a team that relies upon you to be up to it, in life or death situations. You must trust in others that your life is secure in their hands, or it is all for naught.

[@TrusellaLouise-ng3pl]

If they “get the seriousness” these damaged hostile employees would not be clocking in. So, they don’t get it. It’s beyond lipping off, they’re escalating. Very poor judgement

[@immoosiesmom]

Some men…. So disgusted by these adult “children”.

[@however-yh2jy]

Yes the sort who can't pass the fitness test

[@antiquesewist423]

Every woman should get a chance to hear how men talk when they think no woman can hear them. It's soul crushing, but will save you from a lot of naivete.

[@user-eo1sv5kn4i]

yeah the internet has taken away the mystery, unfortunately

[@soxpeewee]

If they want to murder their colleagues what have they already done to innocent civilians?

[@however-yh2jy]

Nobody wanted to murder anyone. This is not a murder plot, it's just chauvinism

[@Jayewillams]

Monsters look just like us. See something say something. Monsters like powerful positions so they can commit crimes and get away with them.

[@deborahwhit118]

Most likely serial killers

[@HollieHolliewood]

Leadership should have been fired. Why did the victim have to leave? Typical.

[@carinwiseman4309]

I don't think men have ever tried to fit in or work in women's clothing. It is uncomfortable in the extreme.

[@charlenerathgeb8217]

32 years in the Fire Service……no big shock here.

[@MarciaB12]

So whats going to happen to them? A promotion??

[@Hope-fv3kf]

Wait! @ 2:17 Anyone in the fire service, male or female, should be able to pass the standard fitness test.. I understand it is harder for women. But in the event of fire, anyone in danger should have the expectation that they have the best chance of being saved. No one should lose life because anyone in the fire service was given a lower standard fitness test. NO one should be in any way speaking or texting about killing or harming anyone. A criminal threat can still be prosecuted even if there is no evidence you had actual intent to carry out the threat. Simply threatening to kill or cause great bodily injury is sufficient. An “electronically communicated” threat includes email, text messages, social media, etc. The text are a reflection of the men.

[@jainey]

Agreed re the fitness test. She was within her rights to have a uniform that fits.

[@however-yh2jy]

There wasn't any threat, it was a private conversation. She wasn't aware until the journo revealed it to her

[@GamerKatz_1971]

​@@however-yh2jy The threat doesnt have to be delivered to the target. If you communicate to anyone your willingness to kill another, then that is a crime. Doesnt matter if she is a woman, doesnt matter if certain cave men think all women should stay in the home, he made a threat over a communication device. He committed a crime.

[@however-yh2jy]

@@GamerKatz_1971Yes it does, you can't accuse someone of threats and intimidation if you aren't aware of them. And no it isn't. A conspiracy requires an overt act. They said bad things about a third party to each other, that's all.

[@kevinpatrick5162]

So sorry to see that this sort of hate exists outside of the United States. The world deserves better.

[@chihirostargazer6573]

Women deserve better.

[@kevinpatrick5162]

@@chihirostargazer6573 everyone deserves better.

[@chihirostargazer6573]

@@kevinpatrick5162 I'm not sure "everyone" does... because there are some truly wicked people in the world that are messing things up for everyone else. Also, this video is specifically about women being treated badly simply because of their gender, which is a huge problem all over the world.

[@maurafidgeon9147]

Misogyny .shameful !!

[@YourCapybaraAmigo_17yrsago]

SHE NEEDS TO FILE A LAWSUIT! SHE DESERVES A HUGE SETTLEMENT FOR ALL THAT! SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT AND DISCRIMINATION!

[@lorraine739]

Those men must be fired for gross misconduct and bringing the fire service into disrepute

[@cc45hav]

How despicable, people in charge of people's safety with such a disgusting mindset for colleagues, let alone strangers in peril who need their help.

[@firejam78]

Merseyside aren't the shining service they are portrayed to be either.

[@lindaromero7780]

Small men, small minds, giant egos! I experienced similar behavior in the fire service. There’s a lot of nepotism, and prima Donna’s in this good ole boys club!

[@akheem7515]

I can’t believe this is happening in 2024!

[@onion6foot]

Sadly, I think this exists everywhere, though hidden as necessary.

[@rileyscott5827]

This is typical workplace toxicity.

[@mambisa2690]

WHY are they still employed?!?

[@pinkrosessheila]

Has anyone in Shropshire bothered to organize a large citizens protest in front of this fire station, demanding the chief and assistant be fired?

[@Curlysmurph]

Why is this woman’s career ruined? Why not theirs? Sickening.

[@GamerKatz_1971]

Because they are men.

[@jeannerogers7085]

Good lord, what millennium is this anyway?!?! Firefighter crews in the US, and police, have many female members, and I haven't heard about this sort of insecure, malicious male yawp in decades. What's the problem with the men in the UK?!

[@blue-vu1ek]

Which blind state do you live in? a red one? Where everyone believes women are expendable. Open your eyes. The War on Women is real and ubiquitous.

[@AlabasterSkin]

Oh honey, there has been a continual stream of similar stories all over the US. - fire, law enforcement, military, West Point.

[@Volundur9567]

Imagine what goes on off record

[@however-yh2jy]

It was off record

[@roygbiv5164]

Unfortunately, the world is filled with "small" people.

[@RDCFemmes]

Those are adults male in position of power? Mind blowing!

[@skorpnikusclaw9516]

its the same bla bla bla. If those who derogate other humanbeings like this (and in public servic environments ffs) are not made accountable and let to remain freely in power, its all useless. The world is getting used to all this evil at this point.

[@user-dl8eo6zc9z]

Dangerous!

[@Pippi-Longstocking]

I work in a predominantly male work environment. It’s not always great.

[@Maybe-cg2tn]

Such infants.

[@stephanielewis8481]

Sickening.

[@LaughingFirst]

They should definitely be fired. How can the public trust them when they treat women this way?

[@SafeHavenStudiosLLC]

List the names of those senior leaders in the description!! They should be held accountable.

[@katydidiy]

I worked in a very male dominated industry myself. What made the difference for me was my boss. He was supportive and required decency.

[@kathe9662]

Emotionally weak men roar the loudest, too sad that they weren't proud of their profession (just pulling a paycheck) they had a choice to treat women like a sister and give them the best training and comradery but their criminal behavior behind their backs only shown with a smile, they chose willingly speaks volumes.

[@jeannerogers7085]

There was much make complaint about the quality of her work. Was that reflected in her job reviews?

[@AT-cy7im]

Indeed this should be investigated. If one work review is not up to standard then it means one needs training or a different position etc not insults and death threats

[@ruthgiles8926]

I still, after 68 years on this planet, completely fail to understand why some men, all too many of them, feel so hateful towards women? Why do they feel so threatened that someone looking for uniforms that fit women fills them with such rage? Treating women like equal members of society, just like every male colleague they have, seems beyond them and an affront to them in some way. Why? I used to be a zoo keeper, just when employers in the UK were stopped, by law, from excluding women on gender grounds. I was given a job in the children's zoo, which was suitable, in their view, for females, but then applied to work on other sections. Despite the fact that I did my work as well and as quickly as my male colleagues, I soon began to encounter overt hostility and sexism, to the extent that I eventually moved to admin, where women were the norm at the lower levels. The attitude of my male colleagues hurt and I couldn't understand why they felt so strongly about someone who had not attacked them in any way. Several other women joined the animal staff, but I regularly heard nasty, sneering remarks behind their backs, usually based on their perceived suitability, or not, as sex objects. Nasty.

[@winter2may]

No-one has forced her out the door, difficult as this may be, as women we KNOW what we have to fight against

[@JessiMaeMirriam]

How did they get their private messages?

[@AT-cy7im]

Probably was an open secret We had a similar one on the job and when it was found out it showed that the group despised and deprecated the women in the workplace but also surprisingly a few men as well

[@angeldark8812]

The boys club huh! Win again?!!! Sly and devious? My ass! Openly derogatory and got away with it again by investigating themselves?!!! Open the investigation again with an unbiased operator!!! I dare you!

[@kathygraham6251]

shropshire, what a lying place

[@Cristinact]

Typical. If these messages hadn't gone viral, it would all continue to be the same.

[@heathengypsy]

Do straight men even like women?

[@sabrinamystified]

Nah they aren't straight. They should just marry each other and come out of the closet.

[@RedRoadWoman7]

Disgusting!

[@Francis-xl2gu]

Not surprised !!!

[@peggymeredith7142]

Disgusting!!

[@janeclayton151]

Society at whole has devolved into such hateful insulting mocking rhetoric generally. Instead of the caring, helping environment where everyone gets along and genuinely is respectful of others, everyone is angry, fighting and out to get others before they get you. It's really sad!