Firearms Facts: The 9mm Confusion

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In this video Eric and Ray discuss the "9mm Confusion" at Moss Pawn and talk about the similarities and differences between many different 9mm cartridges and the dangers of mixing up some very similarly sized examples. Stay tuned, much more on the way.
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[@TheEzzieboy]

I wasn't confused until I watched this.

[@MrBenny1947]

jim whitley, yeah, me too!

[@augurcybernaut4785]

jim whitley knowledge is dangerous. That said I now know I mean 9mm LUGER!

[@stevecolley6750]

@@augurcybernaut4785 OR 9x19, OR 9 parabellum.

[@abeltrujilloEcommerce]

Lol

[@terrelljackson7666]

I was on my way to the comments to say the same 😂😂

[@hond654]

Some rough anchor points, but worth listening the whole video. My list is as accurate as 9mm notation! 1:28 9x19mm Parabellum/Luger 4:10 380ACP/9mm Kurz/9x17mm 5:24 357 Magnum 5:44 355(9mm)/357(38SPC)/358(35CAL) 6:42 357SIG 8:06 9x18 Makarov (365) 9:30 bore diameter 11:18 9mm Flobert rimfire 12:47 38Super 14:33 9mm Largo 14:55 9x23 Winchester 16:54 9mm Steyr 17:20 9x25 Dillon 20:13 high energy rounds

[@davidscott1340]

They need to pin this comment to the top.

[@TonicTonio]

You public service is appreciated!

[@HeatRock123]

U sir are an Real MVP of this 📹 👏 from ⏲️ of edit

[@otisdriftwood3829]

Went most of my adult life thinking I was well versed in firearms and ammo, then I listened to these two talk for 20 minutes, now I feel I may be slightly "slow".

[@garybarton8091]

Amen

[@Horror_Film_Aficionado]

Hahahahaha

[@jbdoingjbstuff]

Love Barry. RIP. If there was ever a video that needed him, this is it.

[@101chickendance]

This video gave me flashbacks of the old iraqverteran88 vids, rip Bary

[@ChiTownGuerrilla]

Is this an old video? Or did he recently pass? RIP

[@FireheartSamurai]

R6Mute Main Barry passed away more than 2 years ago. This video was more in line to what IV8888 did back when they were starting out here in KZbin.

[@russellmcdonald6033]

@@FireheartSamurai Ernest "Barry" Elliott 3/11/1955 - 4/12/2014 I have the memorial sticker that came in a man can I have it front and center on my reloading bench

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

This deserves a cut shell.

[@john-paulsilke893]

RIP Barry. The world is better for his brief visit.

[@nikik5567]

😐 I’ve yet to have a customer come in an ask for “9mm” and mean something other than 9mm Luger. Also, who in the ever loving hell comes in and asks for 9mm when they mean 357 magnum?! That’s completely unrealistic.

[@davehood2667]

.357 magnum is sometimes marketed in Europe as 9mm magnum, so maybe if they didn't know it was the same thing.

[@frankatchison2519]

I used to work in a black powder/ taxidermy try to explain how to patch down a .44 cal revolver to shoot .410 round ball.

[@frankatchison2519]

@@davehood2667 Yeah thier ww2 .380 were 38 S&W short for thier Webley's

[@DHEAD_EYE]

So fuckin true

[@superdog1964]

The second word ("Yet") in your statement has taken on a new meaning in the last 12 months. While I am very happy that many people have chosen to exercise their 2nd amendment right for the first time and purchase a firearm, some of these individuals are clueless about how a gun works other than it makes a loud noise when it discharges. Just ask any range owner or employee Lol! When you sell weapons or give advice of any kind to the public about them, being accurate and concise is a MUST. To "assume" that everyone has the same level of knowledge and experience you do is not wise, as one little point you miss could equal a trip to the ER for the customer or the courtroom for both of you. I'm not trying to rag on you or your thought process. When a customer buys a new gun it is fairly easy to assess their level of knowledge by asking a few questions and then move on. Some cop an attitude if they get the impression you think they are uneducated or inexperienced (when this happens? they are usually no nothing idiots) so it can be hard? You don't have much time if you are busy but from an ethical standpoint (and a legal one) it is important that to the best of your abilities you try and balance these items. I do not doubt you are a professional at your job. I do know that everyone tends to become complacent at one time or another, ESPECIALLY if 99% of your customers do understand what they came for and how it works. The really sad thing is that in today's world, anything a consumer does wrong is never the fault of the stupid and moronic user? Today, it is the manufacturer and or sales person's responsibility to babysit the world. This mindset is why we have people trying to destroy the very same country that allows them to voice an opinion most of us disagree with and forces McDonalds to print "Attention Idiot-coffee is very hot!!!!" on their cups (coffee is hot? since when???)

[@MrRdvs87]

I CAN’T wait to watch this. I had a student a year and a half ago tell me that his brother in law loaned him a 9mm and asked if we had that ammo for sale. I told him yes, but when he got to the range (not on the same property as the classroom), he shows me the gun that says 9mm MAKAROV. I told him he can’t use our ammo in that gun and after him FINALLY believing me that it was dangerous to do, I gave him a free rental gun. That led me into a 10min impromptu lecture on knowing what would work in your gun and what wouldn’t.

[@chadh3441]

Hats off to you mate for taking the time to check the gun beforehand, and also to explain the differences between the types of 9mm ammunition! This is the type of gun owners we need more of! Thanks for being a great example for the firearms community. Cheers

[@MrRdvs87]

@@chadh3441 in my first few weeks teaching, I learned that lesson fast. Nothing dangerous happened, but I saw a lot of it. It usually went around people not reading the suffix for a caliber and buying .38 spl for their LCP 380, .38 super for their .38 spl and so on. The cake taker was when I had a guy show up with a stock g22, telling me it was a g40, but he had 300 rounds of 9mm Luger. I asked if he had ever shot the gun before and he swore up and down that he did. When I asked if he had a conversion barrel, he said no and I asked how he planned to shoot that combination. He didn’t believe that his gun wouldn’t work shooting it until I took the barrel out and dropped a round in to show him that the ammo didn’t fit. People are wild.

[@Mrgunsngear]

I'll be referring a lot of folks to this video going forward

[@JAMES-dv1yg]

Oh Please...

[@JAMES-dv1yg]

NOT

[@marcs990]

@Ray West I think because they 1 are rimfire lol 😂 & 2 I think they are 25mm long & not 19mm. Just saying I case ur not joking. I suppose tho being rimfire n without the ridge on some barrels they may slide thru 🤯

[@val3thipch3ck]

I love when Ray is in the videos, that dude is a plethora of knowledge. I would love to hear and learn more from him.

[@notsure7404]

I've learned more about firearms from this channel than from 6 years in the Navy as a fire controlman. I can tell you all about swabbing, though.

[@redlegobjective2148]

Long time ago I accidentally bought 9mm makarov. Sat on a shelf for years so I decide to buy a bulgarian mak. Didn’t want it to go to waste 😬

[@0baakFPV]

hahaha .. that's hilarious .. i bought the wrong 22 ammo years back and still have those 100 V-MAX bullets.. the details on the box are: 22 cal .224" 60 gr V-MAX. #22281 by Hornady. can you tell me what weapons use this round? I still wasn't able to figure it out lol

[@blackhat2385]

@@0baakFPV Sound like .223rem rounds

[@kururin7146]

Nafiul Ahmed Those are .223 bullets for reloading.

[@brianx2504]

The golden rule

[@shawnoandrew]

You might love guns if you first buy ammo then the gun later. Guilty as charged here......

[@LionquestFitness]

Always like hearing Ray give his input. Thanks for having him on.

[@VinnyS9143101982]

Be realistic when a guy asks for 9 MILLIMETER you know for a fact he means 9X19. If he wanted 9X18 he'd say Mac, if he wanted 9X21 he'd say 38 Super.

[@skepticalbadger]

And if he wanted 9x17 he'd say '.380'.

[@chris3383]

If worked behind the counter and someone asked for 9mm I'm going to hand them 9X19

[@jimhans1]

VinnyS914 you do know that the 38 Super is NOT the same as the 9x21IMI cartridge correct? 38 super is actually 9x22.5 and is loaded to a normal overall length of 1.270" to fit in a 1911 magazine length, the 9x21IMI is actually 21mm long case, and loaded to 1.169" max to fit into a standard 9x19 magazine length specifically for guns chambered in 9x19 for countries that prohibit use of 9x19. They are completely different and NOT compatible at all besides bullet diameter.

[@VinnyS9143101982]

@@jimhans1 I stand corrected. We actually don't have it much by me so I never bothered with it myself.

[@VinnyS9143101982]

@@skepticalbadger Yeah well that slipped BUT also I was corrected on 38 Super so not even I'm perfect.

[@irajackson6423]

This guys needs to be in more videos , ive been loading for 15 years now and its nice to see a guy who can speak the "language" . Great vid

[@mcallahan9060]

Yeah, cuz it happens everyday that someone will walk into a gun store, asks for 9mm, and wants 9mm Makarov... LOL

[@cprice2011]

In the 1980's people would put 9mm luger in their M11a1's because they would say on the receiver 9mm K

[@bldlightpainting]

BTW, the 117-year-old 9mm Parabellum is the least expensive centerfire cartridge you can by today, and besides the .22LR, is the most popular cartridge around the globe. No wonder numerous military units, police departments, security agencies, and private citizens alike employ this very effective small-bore cartridge.

[@kevinclause4p55p5]

Real men use 10mm

[@connor1982]

@@kevinclause4p55p5 it really depends what you're using it for. Definitely has nothing to do with being a "real man"

[@LordTrashcanRulez]

​@@connor1982 Yes it does, 9mm is for pussies.

[@dwimrel]

99% of people who say 9mm mean the luger/parabelum. Appreciate the information though. The technical among us love this stuff.

[@saleembaba5144]

Always love to hear Ray’s input and vast knowledge of firearms!

[@critiquemytechnique2.0]

He's a great no bs educator

[@Novaah803]

Miss Barry. We love you Barry

[@noahbarnhill6140]

I miss their videos opening with "eric and Barry" i watch old videos sometimes just to hear that

[@podsmpsg1]

Barry was a cool guy. RIP Barry.

[@HarrisonCountyStudio]

Barry is missed by many

[@zachdavis1705]

By far one of the most educational firearms related videos I've seen in a long time. I knew there were a few different 9mm cartridges but not that many.

[@dillspec5566]

We need a mass pawn tour. The wall of liberty is looking strong

[@RzRipper]

"Bastardised" just got added into my vocabulary. What a excellent word. Bastardised, what a word. I love it.

[@jacobsnyder8798]

"Hi, I'm looking for some 9mm ammunition." "..uhh... are you looking for 9mm Luger...? 9mm Makarov...?" seriously?

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

For the sake of the views...

[@sangerzonnvolt6712]

No im looking 9x25 Mauser Export

[@montanagrizfan238]

Ha! My thoughts exactly, I’d walk out at that response. Nothing worse than the firearm know-it-all asking questions like that.

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

9x22 Dillon please. I also need a box of 9mm kurz.

[@lv15ballistol]

Exactly, it's clear for everybody. Even Iv8888 made a how far will a 9mm kill video and only covered Luger (don't mean to say this video wasn't useful, though)

[@justinwilson1402]

Love these videos as well as your other videos. I’m currently in the market for a 9mm for range and this video helped me grasp all the different types of 9mil. Thanks! 👍🏻

[@acmspade]

surprised they didn't cover 9mm Nato, just for educational purposes. Higher pressure than standard 9mm Luger/Para. Enjoyed the video. Thumbs up.

[@Joshua_N-A]

Was that the reason why the American military complaining about slides blew off the Beretta pistols?

[@d8889]

great video, just one think must be corrected:parabellum does not mean "for war " but "get ready for war". Georg Luger of the german firm Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken created the 9x19 bullet. At the gate of DWM there was a sign reciting the phrase of the latin poet Vegezio and the union of the words para and bellum (parabellum) became the company telex address. From then on the 9x19 was known also as the 9mm luger or the 9mm parabellum. The inscription at the gate recited: si vis pacem para bellum. If you desire peace, get ready for war

[@stevenstime8736]

It would be really nice if you guys would make a playlist of all the ammo confusion episodes.

[@feralpundit]

In my many years, never have I had anyone get confused when I ask for 9mm. It is assumed that when someone asked for 9 mm they’re asking for 9 mm Luger if they weren’t they’d say 9 mm Parabellum, 9 mm NATO, etc.

[@Rush-ld2qr]

Another great educational video guys! Ray is the best! Thank you for sharing your knowledge 🇺🇸

[@charlesperry1051]

I lucked into a deal in the 1990s. There was a flood of Hungarian PA63 handguns chambered in 9x18 Makarov that were dirt cheap. I think they were selling for around $75 in my local gun shop. While inspecting a pile, yes pile, of them in the counter I found one stamped 9mm Kurtz. I bought it for $75. Of course 9mm Kurtz is .380ACP. At that time that made a HUGE difference since 380 was easy to find in many different loadings and 9mm Makarov was really only available as 9mm ball in steal cases. I still have that pistol.

[@janbreidenbach7028]

Kurz is writen with without t. Trust me I am German😉

[@jakayawilson2833]

Please do a wildcat video. You wouldn't have to put confusion in the name because that's a given but I think it would be a great subject to tackle.

[@chris3383]

6.5 Wildcats or 7 mm Wildcats let the crazy begin !!!

[@jakayawilson2833]

@@chris3383 You could start a channel just on wildcat cartridges if you went into the history on each one. I guess you could Start off with 22 Cheetah, 22tcm and 223wssm for example then move up to the 7mm and beyond.

[@chris3383]

@@jakayawilson2833 no doubt there's tons of cartridges for almost every caliber !!

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Great episode to teach the novice gun owner about different 9mm rounds. An awesome video Eric

[@toxicmatrix1337]

Off topic, does anyone else just love the classic looking style of the AR on the top left? Something about it with the carry handle just makes me appreciate it over the flat top with the rail. Granted you can still add a carry handle to those models, but I love the classic look.

[@larryw5429]

Brownells knock off!!

[@toxicmatrix1337]

@@larryw5429 lol, I meant just the way it looks, not who made it. I actually just bought a Bushmaster with the fixed stock. I don't have many options in my state, but I just love the look of it. Classic

[@justinriley8651]

they look pretty dumb with a scope on em . theres a reason that went away, agree the Vietnam era ar is cool . brownells makes some cool ones especially the one for the airforce.

[@MrLMFAOLovers]

I personally never liked the old style, I prefer flat rail with some type of optic

[@michaelandradejr]

Colt 9mm sbr looks similar to they look like my gi joes ar lol

[@ultraspank8479]

Thank y’all for making videos like these that are not so easy to make for us! Racking y’alls brain over this type of technical stuff in order to educate the people! 👍🏻 Greatly Appreciated 🙏🏻

[@garyh7949]

Federal Confusion is one of my favorite brands of hunting cartridges.

[@lucasvaughn629]

38 super is my favorite cartrage ever created. It can be loaded hot for some great defence rounds or loaded down to 38acp velocities for light rounds.

[@ES44AC-2]

This has been VERY informative, I learned some new details. 9x25 Dillon gonna look this up ! Thanks Ray for your input.

[@Senormojado75]

My favorite caliber is the .357 Magnum, I grew up shooting it. My grandfather taught me with his S&W Model 19, and my father had an beautiful 586. I keep a 686 plus on my nightstand. You can’t beat a classic wheel gun

[@liltoshiro]

I was gifted some 9mm ammunition from my dad one of the boxes was a 9mm makarov haha

[@kevinclause4p55p5]

In summary when most people say "9mm" they mean the most common 9mm which is 9mm luger. 9mm luger is the same as 9mm parabellum. 9mm Makarov is its own different cartridge exclusively for 9mm Makarov "old" or rare pistols. 9mm Mauser is its own cartridge too and is for old or rare rifles. They had no reason to mention 380 acp, 357 magnum or 357 sig. They go on to mention 3 or more types of 9mm. This is the first I'm. hearing about them. They are so rare and insignificant that I don't think you need to learn them. Make sure your box says 9mm luger or 9mm parabellum and your good to go.... Except for the relevant exceptions that they didn't mention that I will try to summarize now. "+P" means extra pressure and extra power. Read your owners manual or contact the manufacturer, or use their website to find out if your gun is safe to use with the "+p" extra pressure. "+P+" may be dangerous. It is similar to +p but with even more pressure. I don't know what guns this is safe in. 9mm "major" is an elongated 9mm luger cartridge that is only safe in the competition "race guns" designed for it. Honestly I was hoping to learn more about this here. You probably won't find it on store shelves anywhere. You can order if from black dot ammunition. "Match grade" is a meaningless marketing term. If I failed to clear up the rest of the confusion someone please let me know thanks. PS this is not advice and I am not responsible for anybody blowing up their gun.

[@11shiroineko]

Many guns on 380 acp say 9mm Kurz or 9mm Corto, also I’ve seen ammo boxes with 9mm corto written in the box, usually it’s on guns and ammo boxes that aren’t produced in the US or that are antiques, sometimes both 9mm corto and 380 auto will be written in the boxes or stamped in the gun, so there was a reason for them to mention it, but you are right about the 357 magnum and 357 sig there was no reason to mention them because they aren’t called 9mm

[@TheLesso111]

Me: can i have 2 boxes of 9mm please? Smug gun range clerk: well, what kind? Luger? Makarov? Parabellum? Me: ..........

[@nikik5567]

*proceeds to leave store*

[@zacharystewart6876]

I am really new to handguns. I bought my first one 2 months ago, a High Point 40. Had a lot of fun with it took some classes. Today I bought a Kimber Micro 9. I love it so far. You guys are really informative.

[@michaelboyle9889]

Are you ever going to do a moss pawn gun tour again you haven't done one for ages 🔫👍

[@TACTICOOLREDNECK]

And make it lengthy.

[@Locutus494]

Well, he doesn't work there anymore, so...

[@albertoguerreiro006]

@@Locutus494 really !!??? The guns tour work's very good , especially for me , because i leave in portugal....chetty guns laws , and i learn a lot about , brands , peaces of guns , the function , the mount and dismount ( a litle) , the various types ars , etc. , if i leave in usa i will have a lot of guns , so true!!

[@jordanlittle5391]

@@Locutus494 so he doesnt work there anymore but he is shooting a vid there?

[@neilhightower2270]

@@jordanlittle5391 he lives near by and is still friends with them. His youtube really took off. But with way the youtube money is now he may look at going back.

[@inoname99]

Hello, I purchased a Winchester 9x23 (9mm 124 grain) I was going to use it on my Glock 26, 9x21 ACP. I understand the 9x23 Largo, you are right it was used by the Spanish Army a long time ago. No I am not going to use it. I think some of the confusion can be solve simply buy and shoot the ammo carved in you gun barrel. Thank you.

[@thomasbrand2650]

I'm pretty sure no one has ever asked for "9mm" when they needed 357 magnum

[@Drummr88]

No. But I did accidentally buy a box of 357 SIG one time, which I don't own... 😩

[@T1374]

That .357 Sig part made me think about the movie Spinal Tap "11" explanation lol

[@willkriegforkartoffeln4878]

I need me some 9x39mm

[@zachsluder4497]

I wish I had a vitsornez

[@willkriegforkartoffeln4878]

Same. But tbh, I'd settle for a AK-9 or 9A-91.

[@dELTA13579111315]

I would LOVE to shoot this cartridge, and probably would then want a gun chambered in it. Sadly 300 blackout is likely the closest I'll ever get, when I get to try that one day. Until then I'm content with 7.62x39

[@mohamedshwesh221]

i see u fam and i love u

[@CMDRSweeper]

Oh the Russians are crazy... They even put a 12.7mm in an Assault Rifle, like the ASh-12.

[@jamespowers9708]

If this doesn't make your head explode...these guys posses a large amount of firearms knowledge.

[@nicolascarrion5055]

Huge fan from Europe here, cradle of civilization :-).... Just a slight correction "para bellum" it is latin and means get ready for war, actually the name of that 9mm, was given as a tribute to Vegecio (IV AD) who wrote "Epitoma rei militaris" he quoted "Si vis pacem, para bellum", which could be translated as: if you want peace, get ready for war or to secure peace is to prepare for war. Later on, General Patton made the quote popular... Thanks for the vids! keep liberty rollin'!!

[@PhillipStreams]

Every time they say the word Confusion, drink lol.

[@ethanandhayden4288]

Here goes my 1st comment on You Tube. Ever. Thank you guys for the Videos, a perfect mix of knowledge & entertainment. Most importantly Thanks for not asking every 2 min in every video for people to press "Like" and subscribe. Keep up the good work..... now off to get one of your shirts

[@timhood6970]

Ahhhhhhh yes, a flashback to what IV8888 videos were like before, without all of the drama and play acting! Just plain simple gun talk! Ray should make more of the videos with you!

[@mre.w.2850]

The confusion is with the measuring system metric or imperial etc

[@louwgreeff4195]

Love this video, excellent info. Shot some .380 in my 9x19 g34, no problems, too weak to cycle though, not a lot but wanted to see if it will shoot and it does, locally known as a 9mm short. Got a .357sig and loaded them to max specs in manual for reloading and managed to get 1860fps using a monolithic solid copper 85gr bullet, pretty impressive if you ask me, can only drool about what a 9x25 Dillon will do. I use 115gr .355diameter bullets to reload for both my 9x19 and .357sig no problems.

[@johncarr4199]

Thanks! Now Im more confused than ever. I thought you talk about 9mm not every thing under the sun

[@DarkEmpireGames]

I'm writing military science fiction without any prior military service or really access to firearms, so these videos help a bunch, thanks very much

[@StefanoRovere]

"Para bellum" actually means "Prepare for war". It comes from the then motto of DWM, "Si vis pacem, para bellum": if you want peace, prepare for war

[@kittygianelli6731]

Comes from the “phrase” not motto.

[@dm364]

I thought parabellum refered to a parabola as in the shape of the projectile.

[@drummajor9522]

D M mushrooms shape, I thought

[@nobodyghost]

Wow! Y'all must've done some seriously tedious research and work to be able to give us all of this information and lay it out easy like this. Much appreciated.

[@backhomewheeler514]

I'd like to see more from the wildcat cartridge of .357 maximum Magnum rimless. It's .223 REM brass that wasn't necked down, so it fits in a standard AR15 magazines like 300BO but it's a straight wall cartridge.

[@Code_Made]

Yup, I wanna see this as well.

[@MegaBrooch]

@@Code_Made Hello Brother- Check out GUNBLUE's Video on 350 Legend.....

[@KneeDeepInTheDead81]

Back in the day of the luger my dear old grandpappy used to eat his own faecal matter. A proud tradition that has been in place to this very day.

[@theaveragewoodsman6002]

I would love to see a 9×25 Dilllon video.

[@tseawell90]

The Average Woodsman Same I didn't even know that was a thing

[@dirtrida274]

I have a conversion for my glock, it’s a speedy round! I reload so I’m crawling hands and knees trying to find all my spent casings lmao

[@davehood2667]

Bit of history you guys seem to have missed; Parabellum Arms was the company Georg Luger worked for, it's called the 9mm Parabellum because they invented it, and Luger is the nickname for the properly called Parabellum P1908.

[@robotbuster1487]

Rabbit holes, you betcha. Last week Midsouth had hornady 9mm bulk bullets on sale, with decimal diameters of .355 and .356 variances across a few different grain weights. I called customer service at Hornady and asked about the .356 diameter bullets and the fella said .356 was more for the 38 Super, but it can be utilized in the 9mm Parabellum. Just flipping through my library of load books, I have only found one section of info that KINDA, with caveat, supports the 355/356 interchangeability, LYMAN CAST Lead bullets, (.3555). Also RCBS cast bullet specs are .356. Cast lead pills have been problematic for me in the past as far 9mm is concerned. I would consider running Plus P .356 FMJ down a carbine, but not a handgun.

[@alexdiersen]

Where would you suggest getting a hand loading book? Interested in getting into hand loading.

[@Izalc0]

@@alexdiersen check out hornadys reloading handbook

[@jamesandrew6211]

robot buster .001” or even .0005” won’t make a difference

[@stevekatz4372]

I have been using 9mm ammo for over twenty years and I have never been confused at all! Any Gun Store I have ever used always provided me with 9mm range ammo and every one of my on line orders have provided me with thousands of 9mm ammo!

[@ScopedNightmare]

See I use to have the opposite problem, I'd go into asking for something specific and get handed the wrong ammo.

[@ifudontlikeitdie]

PLEASE DO THE .50 CAL CONFUSION!!!!!! the amount of people who think a desert eagle, magnum .500 and Barrett 50 chamber the same round is ridiculous.

[@janusn9]

I always shoot hmg ammo through my sidearm. 😂😂

[@AP2020_Outdoors]

What's Up Ray! A1 Master Gunsmith!

[@zigzagkill8153]

As a machinist, and a avid shooter.... you just cleared up so much for me .... the bore diameter explanation- land and groove difference in measurements in the European instance. I love my Makarov. And I made sure when I purchased ammo for it, I made SURE it was for a Makarov. My Grandfather: " The only stupid question, is the one *NOT* asked."

[@ac8833]

Still miss Barry 😢 Para bellum means “prepare war”

[@dashrendar7720]

Si vis pacem, para bellum. If you want peace, prepare for war.

[@spyderxtra777]

In the context of 9mm para bellum, a more accurate translation is just "for war", meaning it was intended to be a military round. But yes either translation is acceptable.

[@ni9465]

@@spyderxtra777 Ok say computer in Latin....come'outer...Latin be a dead language...American English be the only living Language. parabellum now means 9mm bullet or bullet 9mm or 9mm. Also means ammo for my G19.

[@RobertoDonatti]

@@ni9465 Latin is not dead. It has evolved into the Romance Languages. As an English speaker (sort of) you ought to know that 60% percent of English words come either from Latin or from Latin derived French.

[@ni9465]

@@skepticalbadger Thank you, I am still smiling as I write. Good on so many levels!

[@jeremyalt4791]

Eric may be educated in guns and bullets, but now you have met one of his professors. The guy is an absolute encyclopedia!

[@danieljcall3811]

A simpler way to explain groves and lands on a barrel would be to state them as major and minor diameters much like with nut and bolt threads.

[@DonTruman]

Sheeze. As someone just now considering purchasing a self defense pistol, this is a mind-blower. I accept that these things just gradually developed over the years, but seems there could/should be some standardizing of nomenclature and specification, to make it clearer.

[@Briant24681]

Umm... Err... I’m still confused but great video. 🤯

[@cgr88m]

'Walks in to moss' "I'll take a box of 38 super" Moss: "well we have different versions of 9mm and there seems to be a lot of confusion"

[@philippefrater2000]

I need a Coonan 1911 in 357 Mag...

[@johnreece8102]

Or you could look at 1911's in 10mm, which is very similar in power

[@rotwang2000]

@@johnreece8102 Getting a rimmed cartridge to work in an automatic is an uphill struggle and the Coonan while not perfect is a really nice gun, but 10mm is a far more practical dedicated semi-auto round and certainly worth looking at.

[@daytona2134]

I need a Conan 1911 sword in 44 mag

[@johnaranjo2059]

10mm is better

[@jumarelrichie1127]

If u can find one lol.

[@bamaDSM15]

Thumbs up for Ray making an appearance!

[@tomszrodak]

Nice vid Eric!!

[@silvirhunter3607]

"I need some 9MM Kurts. " Attendant, "Huh?" "I need some 9MM Browning." A ,"I don't follow." "I need some .380 ACP." A, "Ooohhh.. I got some of those, what are the other 2 you mentioned? " Me, facepalms.

[@stephen9869]

You guys didn't mention the Podbyrin 9.2mm.

[@isaaclerma4847]

To know where you’re going. One must know where they are from. Everything is history. Learning is history. Like what you said !!

[@L228A]

"I'm looking for 9mm for my Glock19." Problem solved.

[@timelessgamer883]

Problem not solve because Glock also made Glock 19 in 9x21. Externally same size but pressure is higher in the 9x21.

[@SnowyEvans]

"What bullet does my Glock 45 use?"

[@t436]

Was the slide marked 9X21 on it?

[@nikik5567]

timeless gamer that’s in nations where they can’t have 9x19. This is America, and this video is primarily for American stores and viewers, glock does not sell a 9x21 version of the glock 19 in the United States. If u found one, it was used and imported over here.

[@kevinwillman6594]

Just another Great Video Guys!!!!! Keep on doing what you're doing. Been following you for a long time. I didn't know about the different 9mm's.

[@rejectwerkz8314]

I work at a gun store really close to Mexico, and everyday people from Mexico buy out all the 38 super, and apparently in Mexico a box of 50 is like $80 or around 800 pesos.

[@1014p]

Jose Rubio so your probably supporting the gangs if your selling out that much.

[@rejectwerkz8314]

@@1014p the gangs buy cans of 7.62 and smuggle them, I learned that after talking to Homeland security, the 38 super is bought by security, competition, and for people who own gun ranges.

[@rejectwerkz8314]

@@1014p and we don't carry it often which is why when it's in they'll swarm it.

[@theepicpeguin]

80$ is like 1750 pesos. The current rate is about 18-19 pesos per dollar. I live near the border...

[@00TheHammer]

This video series is my favorite

[@MrEtherShot]

Thank you for this information. You could be in the industry for years or decades and get schooled in 20 minutes.

[@eribertoacedo9505]

Super knowledge is where it’s at that’s how I’m looking at it I’m gonna get that book study up on cartridges thank you fellas!

[@tom_olofsson]

Flobert is French it is pronounced like (flow bare). You do outlandish really well.

[@victorfrankenstein50202]

Dear Lord, I think my head is about to explode. Although we do appreciate you both trying to educate us on this issue, you failed to realize that most of us watching won’t have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about. I think I’ll just stick to the basics, and buy exactly what my weapons call for.

[@jimfiore4671]

Ok so your obviously confused about the 357 Sig... It's called it 357 because they were creating an autoloading cartridge with the 357mag capabilities... Do some homework would ya? God bless

[@allengrant]

Yep !! You are 100% correct. They also missed the fact that it was originally a 10mm cartridge, necked down and trimmed. The 10mm brass is thicker than 40S&W, to withstand the higher pressures of 357sig. Barrier, ballistics, and overall energy calculations tests confirmed this. The 357SIG falls in-between the 40 and the 10. 40s were not nicknamed "Short and Weak" for no reason! It catered to LEOs who required the ability for fast follow-up shots.......Something a 10mm was incapable of. I own all three calibers, and the difference ( albeit subtle with the exception of the 10mil ), is quite apparent. 357SIG is my EDC, for damn good reasons. As I am a re-loader, I can also unequivocally state that 357SIG is MUCH more time consuming and unforgiving to reload.

[@milehighgimpster]

I had a 9mm flobert once! The Doctor gave me a shot to get rid of it.

[@sim.frischh9781]

The name comes from the ancient phrase "Si vis pacem para bellum" (If you seek peace, prepare for war). I think the factory that first produced the cartridge had that phrase written above their gates, though i might be wrong on that one.

[@nageeb96]

great video .you must be very precise and vigilant when you work with rounds and guns. thanks for a fine lesson .

[@codemiesterbeats]

I wish they gave cartridges arbitrary names like cars... something like the "Winchester Hell Hound" the "Hornady Horny Toad" the "Fiocchi Ocelot" much easier to memorize and they roll off the tongue better. Name a bunch of car names off the top of your head.... now try to name off more than 5 different European cars like BMW and Mercedes... they use a ridiculous number system.

[@alineklockpl]

Why not.

[@BeneStarosta]

Para bellum translates to: Get ready for war, prepare for war. It is taken from the famous advice: Si vis pacem para bellum - If you want peace, prepare for war.

[@mixtermuxter8602]

i was hoping for a 9x39 somewhere on this list^^

[@garriaga52]

I wasn't confused until I watched this.. 🤣🤣🤣Perfect description of this "talking carnival" of this two guys...

[@danielcrawford7315]

Confusious say " know your chambering so you dont know pain of ignorance " lol.

[@1978garfield]

"He who forget cambering liable to experience memorable KA-BOOM!"

[@BennettIsAmazing]

Lots of people going on about Barry - but I'll take Ray any day. Much more knowledgable and articulate.

[@waynewelshans1172]

I thought the 9x21 was for the suckers that couldn't have military cartridges.

[@TitusLos]

Yep, Italy and formerly France.

[@frankatchison2519]

9×21 Spetznatz is a Military rd.

[@cbrucesbiz]

Thank you for giving me the most confusion info I have ever seen. But I still love you guys.