Firearms Revolt | Former Met Officer on making life and death decisions

[@gillianr-w8720]

What a decent man who explained a possible dreadful situation as simply as he could.

[@JamieLamb-ft6io]

The funniest post I have seen all week😂😂😂 you are a comedian😂 you are so funny with that remark😂😂😂😂 absolute classic😮 wait what you cannot be serious😮 get the boat😊😊😊

[@andyquelch5754]

If firearms officers who are returning to armed duties think things will improve, they are deluded.

[@oldshiny3012]

yet again let down by people in high places sitting on their backsides playing politics

[@robinclarke9978]

I don't wish to prejudge this case but it would appear the only reason for prosecution is one of colour. The establishment must bend over and get shafted to prove non bias. Do you think this will stop the accusations? Not a bit of it.

[@slinkiegirl2001]

listen white officers have been indicted for murder when the person they killed was Caucasian, it is not only people of colour

[@mikey2363]

That’s exactly correct

[@StillAliveAndKicking_]

You’ve probably said more than you legally should. I couldn’t possibly comment on this case, however I do know from experience that the Hampshire and Surrey police forces are prejudiced against white people, and heterosexuals.

[@MichaelKng-fk5jk]

Very much the same way the Armed Forces have been treated, hounded even, for years after serving in Northern Ireland

[@peterdockerty6810]

Should all our armed forces refuse to carry arms unless they get immunity from prosecution.

[@jonathan4889]

Exactly.

[@noelward8047]

Yes. Provided it can be quickly assessed and the discharge was justifiable.

[@slinkiegirl2001]

there has to be officer accountability

[@johnburnett3942]

Well said Tony long. Hopefully you will be part of the royal commission, that looks into police firearm, shootings. You bring experience and common sense. Good luck in retirement.

[@jameskinsey4182]

He got what he deserved leave the copper alone

[@zzzo4509]

OK officer

[@ryanmullins2103]

We in America are not giving up our god given right to defend ourselves. The majority of gun owners are responsible human beings. I’ve owned guns all my life and never once thought about pulling it in anger. It’s a last resort but very good to have.

[@jenniferbarry5887]

Interesting to listen to this expericed firearms officer. Worrying the number of armchair generals who have no idea what its like to have to make a split level decision.

[@scarletoharabia3801]

Exactly so many smart arses out there who couldn’t make a spilt second decision if their life depended on it

[@j.burgess4459]

If someone can't make a correct decision very quickly and under stress then he/she should not be an armed police officer. In most parts of the world ALL police officers are routinely armed, and are expected to be competent and professional. Here in the UK someone could even (very easily) remain in the police while not carrying a weapon.

[@truth-lg7xy]

Making a quick decision means naff all if it's the wrong decision!

[@geezerp1982]

IN 2017 near heathrow, an burgler was shot dead by a home owner , he shot through his front door with a shotgun killing him. the crown prosecutor for london west, stated it was lawful self defence. Although he did face a charge for not having a permit for his shotgun thus case law has been settled a long time about using lethal force , which applies to both citizens and police alike. its basically a liberal london district crown prosecutor who wanted this copper indicted

[@edwardhoulton8725]

simply, I support out Police. 😊

[@topcat1358]

It was a great shot. One single bullet under the circumstances he was in shows great accuracy and markmanship.

[@telstar4772]

If he had shot him in his teeth it would have deflected off

[@slinkiegirl2001]

it was a good strangle, Wayne cousins strangling the life out of that Everard woman, he did it with determination and ultimate precision, medal for WC

[@topcat1358]

@@slinkiegirl2001 - Keep up, slinkie - that's old news. But how do you know all that, were you at the scene?

[@slinkiegirl2001]

@@topcat1358 i listened to the outcome and some of the shootings where UNJUSTIFIED AND I STAND BY IT A BILLION TIMES OVER

[@topcat1358]

@@slinkiegirl2001 = I never said the shot was justified or unjustified. I was just speaking about the markmanship. It was a great shot in the circumstances.

[@henrytwigger2245]

Firearms officers are only needed because the politician obeying public has been disarmed.

[@ramblingimbecile2295]

1. Flood major cities with violent criminal 2. Obstruct all efforts to get crime under control 3. Rampant crime leads to businesses closing down 4. Property prices plummet 5. Swoop in and buy prime property at bargain basement prices 6. ?????? 7. Profit

[@stickykitty]

Well said

[@StillAliveAndKicking_]

I know someone who is a senior officer in an armed unit. He is the opposite of what you might expect, certainly no hot head.

[@MuslimGamer803]

Anyone who thinks it’s good to shoot Columbian drug dealers in order to steal their drugs can’t be decent rational people😱 These police guys are amazing! Thank you Tony and thank you Richard ❤ Let’s pray for a safer nation!

[@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533]

Basically, make sure the person in the cross hairs isn't a saint or an architect and you'll be fine.

[@rtk3543]

I'm surprised anyone would want to be a fire arms officer, why put yourself in that position?

[@andrewelliott4436]

It looks like they agree with you.

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

Im more surprised anyone wants to be Police officer given the lack of support they receive.

[@noelward8047]

If an armed officer points a weapon at you don't even breath. Better to wait and argue the toss after the situation has calmed down.

[@porter5877]

Soon as i read the copper got a murder charge i knew instantly this was is a ploy! And that firearms officers would hand in their licences....

[@heshtankon7212]

Hay, they do it to soldiers too. Yet no one unless you have been in the situation can even comprehend the proses of pulling a trigger. It’s just plain wrong.

[@JimWatson-p6d]

I have the privilege to count Tony amongst my friends. I can assure everyone that he is a genuine person.. Read his book.

[@davidread6290]

Firearms officers must have rules of engagement. Their selection and training would have ensured only the most competent and experienced officers would give a high level of confidence that even it a split second officers can follow the rules of engagement. That's not to suggest accidents don't happen and there maybe a possibility of an officer hasn't followed the rules of engagement and as with all weapons discharged by officers an investigation will be opened. What is very wrong is the PM and Home Secretary publicly voicing their opinion about a future trial. It probably goes against the rules of MPs and it may directly impact on the trial before it's begun. Police officers deserve our respect, but there has to be checks to ensure the police can't do anything they want, they must also adhere to the law.

[@robertcapewell2788]

all our armed forces refuse to carry arms unless they get immunity from prosecution.

[@truth-lg7xy]

They are not 007 we ain't handing out a licence to kill everyone must obey the law no matter who they are.

[@thomasshepard6030]

They really showed their support for their fellow officer one day they gave their guns up with friends like that who needs enemies what a joke

[@terrortorn]

What is this "omnipotent" intelligence they talk of. Observation of the actual scene in the only up to date intelligence you have. And anyone who shows unreserved support for these Police, next time it might be you.

[@JosephStealin]

Was he black? Yes Then it’s murder

[@pauldesmond3269]

I can see where he's coming from and it is a difficult decision to make wether to shoot someone or not but saying that there MUST be something in place to investigate and charge rogue cops who are on a power trip,the case has i assume been investigated and there must be some evidence of wrong doing,we must let the judicial system have their day and if he is innocent let a jury decide. the ONLY way

[@blindjusticeandcommonsense2786]

Uhuh, do you think it would be a good idea for PC Wayne Couzens and PC David Carrick to have less legal oversight?

[@andywilliams7323]

That is not what he was saying at all. He was not saying legal or investigative oversight should be reduced. He was saying that Police Officers should not face prosecution charges for making mistakes, the same way Doctors and Nurses don't face prosecution charges for making mistakes. However, Doctors and Nurses do face prosecution charges when they make deliberate malicious acts. The same way Police Officers such as Couzens and Carrick faced prosecution charges for their deliberate and malicious acts. A deliberate malicious act and a mistake are not the same thing.

[@speakeasy3333]

@@andywilliams7323 My o' my Andy well said. You'd make a good Advocate ..

[@noelward8047]

Of course not. Remind me. Where are they ?

[@slinkiegirl2001]

the armed officers are throwing tantrums

[@gethinjones1944]

Oh please those two admitted their guilt and a court of law found them guilty. This bloke refused to stop posed a threat to the public and involved in serious crime. He could have pulled over calmed down and got to the floor. The two mentioned admitted their guilt, why couldn’t this one for being an accessory as the car was involved in crime !!!!

[@jb-zr4ez]

The buck shouldn't ever stop with a firearms officer who is acting under orders and given permission to fire if he/she thinks they need to. The buck stops with their commanding officer and the intelligence fed to them that forms that decision. A firearms officer only controls the trigger, not the decision making that put them in that life threatening situation in the first place. It's just passing blame.

[@michaelwallder6437]

YOU are so totally rong!! The firearm officer is the person who makes the decision having assessed the situation. Not someone in an office. Ever heard of Jean Charles de Menzes??

[@jb-zr4ez]

@@michaelwallder6437 well if you are correct why were no individual police officers found guilty of the murder? The Commissioner,in his official capacity on behalf of the police force, was prosecuted and his office found guilty and fined. I think you need to do a bit of fact checking.

[@michaelwallder6437]

You said it yourself. 'IF HE /SHE THINKS THEY NEED TO'. Just because your commanding officer tells you to jump off a cliff , you don't unless you've got a parachute!!

[@jb-zr4ez]

@@michaelwallder6437 But they don’t leave the police station armed up UNLESS they have been told to do so by the commanding officer and given the correct target to shoot. If they haven’t been given the correct target it isn’t their fault is it if an innocent is killed? They don’t just select a random person who sort of fits a description then lets loose. Even once on site they cannot shoot unless given the go ahead. It isn’t the Wild West. Like I said do some research.

[@michaelwallder6437]

@@jb-zr4ez Tell that to a stationary armed officer say at Horse Guards in Whjtehall. He will have had no time to con fab! That goes for all crowded 'on site' armed officers. oops sorry. I thought you were someone else!

[@topcat1358]

I know all the armed cops are volunteers, but do they get extra money or an allowance for volunteering?

[@ged3680]

No they don’t. Ged

[@topcat1358]

@@ged3680 - Thanks, Ged. Beats me why they do it then, unless they might get a promotion or something later for doing it?

[@Story_Fuel]

In 2022/23, the police in England and Wales fatally shot three people, compared with two in the previous reporting year, and six in 2016/17.

[@gordonadamson5854]

The Police are not above law

[@WSMK-oz6ru]

Neither are criminals! Did you help fund international drill rap artist Chris Kaba’s royalties that helped him purchase that lovely Rolex ?

[@noelward8047]

Of course they are not. Neither are the criminals ... play stupid games ...

[@ScratchySlide]

Neither are criminals driving cars at them.

[@JH-ck1nr]

Neither are scumbags on our streets. They stab and shoot and rape way more than a few bad police.

[@johnfisher247]

Police should carry guns in the UK as they are left unprotected against armed gangs and criminals.

[@mikey2363]

I agree with you - but like the comment above, the ones they employ these days are useless.

[@fitzbryden5642]

After listen to this pro it dosnot matter what intell you got you have a word call moment that where your life also the other the fact of matter a lot of lives could save but

[@JamieLamb-ft6io]

One is unlucky two bad luck three and four well needs looking in to on a deeper level . He got away with two murders 100% needs to be locked up now . And stop with these pod cast's where he can glorify his actions😮 absolute rubbish and lies that's all you will get out of Tony long😮 Tony it's been a long time you know the score Tony I will leave it at that okie dokie😊

[@spongebob8678]

so armed cops should be judge..jury..and .executioner...myself and my kids wer mistakenly stopped in mt car by over zealos armed cops pointing guns at me and my kids 6 and 9...then some cretin said wrong car....1minute ther flipping burgers at burger king .next being trained how to kill...

[@stewartanderson6560]

If there was no threat to life, you should not have opened fire. Guns are not the only threat mind.

[@andywilliams7323]

The individual killed repeatedly tried to ram through a police roadblock and hit officers with his car.

[@dkaymc6758]

It WAS life and death .. a car is a huge weapon , this was a JUSTIFIED shooting and if police can’t depend on their superiors to back them then why should they put their lives on the line ?

[@paulroberts7544]

When you are a firearms officer human error could result in you shooting and killing someone. But what about if you're a detective responsible for investigating crime? What if, for example, you spend 5 years investigating the Lucy Letby case and you get it wrong early on. What if confirmation bias causes you to get entrenched in your belief that a young nurse is responsible, and you spend 5 years cherry picking circumstantial evidence to frame her? I would say that if Lucy Letby is innocent (as many now think) the harm done to her is wose than shooting and killing. It's beyond imaginable torture. So should those officer also be penalized for their mistakes? I don't think anyone - member of the public or professional - should ever be criminalized for making a mistake. I'm always horrified by cases in the US where loving mums are convicted of murder when they mistakenly leave their kids in hot cars to die. Clearly it's the last thing a mum would want to do - so why on earth put them in prison? We're copying america too much. They've always been barbaric over such things. I'm sure it used to be accepted that honest mistakes happened - driving mistakes that cost lives for example. But now everything is criminalized. To what purpose?

[@stephengillott9435]

Looking at all the responses it would seem that if intelligence says you have a gun you will be killed and that has happened numerous times. I watched the TV last night showing police training where they stormed a building and immediately opened fire. What you do in training you will do in real life as that is what you were trained to do. Carrying a gun comes with great responsibility and the general public are innocent until you SEE they are not.

[@moniquemulder9857]

Sorry but 15 weeks training is a bit short to be a responsible armed police officer. Thats just under 4 months. And how many hours of simulation and on the job training does that involve? Give these officers more time to learn!!

[@JH-qu6vk]

Interesting point..but in the RAF you would get 2 days training before doing armed gaurd duties..as well as armed patrols

[@andywilliams7323]

15 weeks for the standard-level firearms police officer is fine and average for most of the world. Continuous training and re-assessment is also carried out throughout the officer's career as a firearms officer. UK armed officers are among the best trained on firearms in the world. In contrast, in the USA, newly recruited Police Officers only spend about 4-6 weeks on firearms training and don't receive any further training or reassessment throughout their career.

[@MichaelSmith-mc8bd]

Plus another 21 weeks to get to the level this officer was at.

[@Trebleblues]

Gb news stealing more of talk tv presenters. Lol

[@OMOLvideos]

Why put a gun in a Phycos hands

[@stickykitty]

Too many egotistical bellends in the force Small men syndrome Or power trips complexes Mix that with guns and emotions Equals 🍕 human pizza

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

So articulate.

[@slinkiegirl2001]

sounds like he is bragging about his kills the numpty

[@JN-om6rw]

Bugger off Tice always scraping the bottom of the barrel

[@edgarprint6959]

If every single copper shunned guns how safe would you feel then?

[@barrygriffiths4530]

Do as they tell you dont brake the law and you will be ok