First Battle of Sadogashima | Muv-Luv Alternative Battle Records

[@yamamotomechbattles]

In defense of the US, the IJF were quite insistent on doing things THEIR way. The Americans made some (and some not) very sound and reasonable suggestions for how the defense of the mainland should go, but the Japanese didn't exactly want to go with those pragmatic choices. It was understandable from both sides. So when the Americans had bigger fish to fry and decided they couldn't realistically keep helping such a difficult and uncooperative ally, they cut their losses -- dirtied their hands, weren't afraid to choose what they could keep. That still isn't going to make the Japanese like them, so obviously you'd get a rising nationalist, extremist faction that chooses what they want to keep and let go, and how they want to dirty their hands as well. All in all, it's more like a bad breakup than it is a "USA -- bad, Japan -- Yamato Damashii!" type of story

[@Anaheim-Electronics79]

See one problem I have about the story is that in the face of extinction the higher up people in the Muvluv still has their own ideas and goals, like man if they win you all going to be die! What are you doing?!?! Work together!!

[@Anaheim-Electronics79]

I guess is just not the let’s work together and kick some beta ass kind story I was hoping for

[@OverseerMoti]

​@@Anaheim-Electronics79 it adds to the realism of the alternative world. A layer of extra depth like this is a neat addition in our subsequent reading. Let the kids have the toys, while the brains indulge in the politics.

[@Anaheim-Electronics79]

@@OverseerMoti it’s just kind dumb, like what’s point of all the in fighting that if you all going to die at the end?!

[@OverseerMoti]

@@Anaheim-Electronics79 take it as politicians being optimistic, simple as that.

[@atomaca]

I love how the BETA first invades japan during a storm, and how that's a reference to the original kamikaze that prevented the Mongols invasion in early japan story, except there's no gods stopping the enemy this time

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Yeah it's pretty epic. The story itself has so many nods to history. Apparently, the storm was created due to BETA alterations to the environment

[@theofficerfactory2625]

I read somewhere that the BETA engineered that storm as to neutralize the naval assets for 2 days.

[@evanpratama7680]

Nice work on Sadogashima, I Can not wait for Operation 21th where Takeru and his little Squad Will be fighting too!

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Yes, it'll be time for them to shine at last

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

​@@yamamotomechbattles Wait ya telling me they weren't at the 12-5 incident

[@magellali1623]

This battle shows that BETA is much more intelligent than humans think, Sadogashima falls from a very basic tactic by the BETA.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

They have better micro One might even say...superior micro

[@lenonoone4310]

Some note the beta attacks mostly used the human wave attacks with overwhelming number and it never stops plus it rarely used tactics except some ambushed tactics and encircle but mostly it attacks was just send many beta until it won the battle+ human technology wasn't a threat to beta so beta just spam the unit until it win

[@magellali1623]

@@lenonoone4310 that's why when the BETA change their tactic just a little can devastated the entire army.

[@lenonoone4310]

​@@yamamotomechbattles hey man just asking some people they said that beta that attacks the earth was just the scout team and it wasn't actually a combat unit but a mining unit that can be utilize as combat unit I can't remember who said that but is is true or just false claims thanks a lot

[@yamamotomechbattles]

@@lenonoone4310 Hey no problem. It's a bit of a spoiler revealed at the end of Alternative... The BETA are autonomous mining drones created by an unknown synthetic alien species. They spread into a solar system and land on planets, harvesting everything on that planet and shooting them up into the stars back to their point of origin (the Hive monuments have been observed to be routinely releasing unknown objects into orbit, which disappear into space). Basically, when left on autopilot mode, the BETA use predictable swarm tactics and harvest resources to be processed while neutralizing any hazards that prevent them from doing so. Because both the BETA and humans are carbon-based life, and the BETA were created by others, they don't see humans as "alive" because ironically they practically view synthetic life as alive while carbon-based is artificial. When controlled by their "central computer", i.e. a being in the Original Hive known as the Superior, they are capable of tactics like diversions, ambushes, using reserves, counterintelligence, and developing strategies to outsmart humanity's tried and true tactics. They could've destroyed Tokyo at any time, but instead they created a Hive right next to it and some theorize that the BETA allowed humanity to capture it.

[@JKLCYfriends]

Dude I thought this breakdown was way more entertaining than the actual episode. Been loving these and I hope you keep it up with the animations from the Show or Visual Novel.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Appreciate it! I really had to explore the background lore of the invasion just to get a sense of the bigger picture outside of what the episode shows. I'll keep it up for sure

[@JKLCYfriends]

@@yamamotomechbattles yeah I’m not a visual novel player, just enjoy a lot of the lore and read a lot. When I saw the anime come out I was happy to see a medium I might be able to enjoy the story in. Unfortunately the first ep was a bit confusing when jumping right in and the first season being a lot of the 12-5 incident was a bit of a turn off. Having all these clearly explained battle and lore videos is a very helpful medium for me to enjoy the story.

[@benz505]

Great work as always! I feel that this battle had a lot of emotion to it, between the previous failures of the IJF to defend their homeland, the seemingly unending tide of BETA and the UN Forces' maneuver. The narration really puts into perspective the scope of these events and their overall importance to the war Looking forward to your Battle of Sadogashima 2: Causality-Conductive Boogaloo breakdown!

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thank you! Yeah there was a lot of build up, and so many more battles before and after it too. All very intense (and too few animated or written into the VNs)

[@huycan9518]

Appreciate your work on Sadogashima! I can't wait to see more future Alternative Records!

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks! Really glad you enjoyed this one. Definitely more to come on the Japanese front

[@tomaspedro7632]

So good to see a Sadogashima battle record, amazing!

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks Tomas!

[@hunterzero8]

Great work for the First Battle of Sadogashima battle record! Can't wait for the second battle and if possible, Operation Lucifer

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks! I'm divided on whether I want to do Lucifer or not. Such a pivotal battle, but so little concrete info thus far

[@Zaffr3]

Damn this Battle was pretty important for the setup of the events of Alternative so I'm glad it got covered in the 2nd Season of the anime. As for suggestions I really can't think of anything tbh. Muv Luv generally outclasses a lot of mecha franchises for their detail in battles so it's kinda hard find a battle in another franchise that isn't just the protagonist going a killing spree against other people.

[@bluekashus2499]

It would be nice if Gundam would go back to a more military grounded story format but add the weight to mecha combat. Make the viewer have some form of fear and anxiousness for the protagonist and/or supporting character when going to battle. Storytelling in the sense like in the movie, Thin Red Line.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Yeah Muv-Luv is the only franchise that does a good job at breaking down its battles in a way that allows these videos to be created. Gundam is a close second, especially the older works, but even then I'd have to do a lot of speculating

[@PRdreg]

@@bluekashus2499 Well then you better keep wishing cause that's never gonna happen again

[@zhirongsim6996]

If I remember it is not just a good set up for Alternative, but Alternative Total Eclipse

[@honestlordcommissarbrighte7921]

You missing out on Eighty-Six then

[@theofficerfactory2625]

I read the lore but didn't know about the imminent dangers to Sicily. Granted, I don't think even if the 7th Fleet intervened; it would have changed the outcome. Not with those numbers.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Yeah. It might've saved a few soldiers or civilians, but overall, that island was the main target of the BETA. It was bound to be overrun sooner or later

[@MIXDJ3000]

Been a lurker for awhile always love the muv-luv battle analysis and I do agree with you in terms of the US being called "evil". I mean these guys are the ones who are actively fighting Beta so you would have thought that Japan would at least listen to SOME of their advice and suggestion. But it's like you said, it's understandable from both sides. I think a friend of mine described it pretty well when we were watching the anime, "The US is practicality while Japan is Idealistic." Could you do a video of the ATSF (Advanced Tactical Surface Fighter) Program. I would love to see you do videos on TSF's. And also, Does the Sadogashima invasion take place before Total Eclipse ?

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Yeah you and your friend put it together really well. Thanks for the comment, I'm glad you're enjoying everything. I might explore or mention the ATSF program more. It's especially likely as I start to explore lore history (the war, nations, TSF development) topics. Yeah, this particular battle -- the loss of Sadogashima -- takes place before TE...in fact it's concurrent with Teito Moyu, right after Yui experiences the fall of Kyoto. But the Sadogashima battle in the VN, that takes place after most of Total Eclipse...and by the end, both stories conclude at the same time.

[@pyroBadguy]

Leaving a like and comment to support your amazing content. Ty is always.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Always appreciate it man!

[@ww2kev]

Whooooo here we go! Can't believe how consistently well made these are!

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thank you for your consistent support. Enjoy the vid!

[@45580677]

Excellent work on this

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thank you!

[@bluekashus2499]

By '98, you would have thought Army doctrine would have changed for rifleman gear. At the very least, a battlerifle caliber (308 or 30-06) with m203 (or equivalent attachments) with each squad packing atleast 2 or more Carl Gustofs. Inf. Should never operate without soft armor capabilities. Inf. Should be tasked as a QRF only come to think of it.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Yeah riflemen are really only good at deterring human threats. In the short story War Ensemble (which hasn't been translated, so I haven't read), I believe it follows a unit of mechanized infantry who use the feedback protector power suits. So we know the Japanese were fielding those during 1998. Maybe light infantry as we know it essentially became the mech. infantry, while the light infantry we see in the story are more like MPs and security forces. If that were the case, then the soldiers on Sadogashima were likely just being forced to fight in a role they were simply never meant for due to the lack of proper troops. Or perhaps the IJA poured all their money elsewhere (domestic TSF development) instead of equipping them, which some militaries have absolutely done.

[@bluekashus2499]

@@yamamotomechbattles Oh yeah, that is right. Those feedback suits could essentially be sneaking suits like in Metal Gear Solid. LOL, have an entire Battalion of Solid Snakes.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

@@bluekashus2499 Yeah, and it has combat attachments that basically make you the book-version of Starship Troopers if you need it.

[@anuvisraa5786]

most tanks should be more of a terminator system whit one or tow 36-millimeter guns or some type of auto mortar like the amos

[@enigmagrieshaber5555]

Tbh anti material rifle should've been a common weaponry for infantry division or at least 1/3 of the division carrying anti-material rifle

[@gerardonajarro1440]

Watched all your vids twice before I realized I hadn't even subscribed. Love the content and hope you keep popping them out! If anything, I think it would be really cool if you made a playlist organizing the Battle Records in chronological order.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks for watching and subscribing! Yeah I plan to get around to organizing them like that soon lol

[@snoopyodig1137]

love the muv-luv's vids, i would love to see a vid on The Day After TFS on TFS conflicts and more gundams!

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Definitely plan on exploring TDA one day. Will definitely try to do more Gundam too...have to do some rewatching there though, haven't watched them in ages lol

[@mrheeronemo]

i just stumbled upon your channel and I instantly got hooked.. even if the presentation is simple, the analysis and careful depiction of events clearly elaborated how things went down to the smallest detail.. looking forward for more videos.. I am very interested on battle records after season 2.. particularly the siege of of yokohama..

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thank you, glad you found my videos! Yeah I've been trying to figure out how to depict the interior fighting that was done during Yokohama, but it'll be a good video.

[@Erreul]

Wait, we as humans weren’t just handing out rifles like candy at this point?

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Not quite, but they were thinking about conscripting teens, which they eventually did. And in one timeline they were down to conscripting children. So...kind of

[@animeturnMMD]

Great video as always keep up the good job.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks, I definitely will!

[@drewman9451]

Love the video man. Great work as always!

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks! Glad you watched and enjoyed it

[@ladikthrawn7078]

Great video as always. This battle, the first episode of the anime, was my introduction into the Muv Luv universe. It was a beautiful work of subverting my expectations (is that the correct way to say it? English is not my first language). I do have two questions, one about the lore and another about the making of these videos. If the UN, not the US, send help to Sadogashima, how would that impact the way Japanese people view the UN? Because as far as I know, they consider the UN as an American puppet. Are you getting information about these battles just from VN's, anime and the Wiki, or do you have another source? Once again, thanks for the content.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks! Subverting expectations is like making you think something is going to happen, and then making it happen in a way you didn't fully expect. Muv Luv is very good at that. If the UN were there I think it would've made more of a difference, especially in how the Japanese see the UN (many of whom in the 11th Force are Japanese too). They were said to have helped during the Fall of Kyoto, but even then, that battle had mostly Imperial Japanese forces fighting on the ground. As far as I know, before 1999, the UN didn't really have a huge presence in Japan, whose people didn't really rely on them as they didn't think too much about the war reaching their shores. But Operation Lucifer and the US actions were followed by Youko's proposal to build Yokohama Base for the UN, which made it look like the UN was doing the dirty work of hoarding G-Elements for the US. But overall, I don't think they had as strong a presence there during 1998. As for lore, I use the main VNs if they are translated, and the same goes for the short stories like Marimo's and Isumi's. I use the anime adaptations where I can as well; I know most of those are hated on but I actually enjoy them for what they are. On top of that, I use the wiki and some translations of TSF Cross Operations that I've found online. I found several Light Novel side stories of Schwarzesmarken just by looking hard enough. And then there's the Muv-Luv Alternative Codex, which has been translated to English -- I have yet to finish reading it start to finish, but there is a ton of lore within, along with some interviews with Kouki Yoshimune himself.

[@comixpanda]

Woo-hoo one of the 1st comments!! Love the video, I listen to them when I'm working or doing chores. Keep it up man! Doing great!

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thank you! I definitely appreciate that. The watch hours go a long way to support me.

[@comixpanda]

@@yamamotomechbattles no problem! Glad to have stumbled on your channel lol

[@45580677]

While working on the US Navy of 1998 with only 1 Drydock to build TSF Carriers while the Nimitz class was laid in 1959 plus second ship laid down in 1976 and launch say by 1978 say war time production of 3 years per TSF Carrier say 1959 - 1st 1978 - 2nd 1981 - 3rd 1984 - 4th 1987 - 5th 1990 - 6th 1993 - 7th 1996 - 8th 1999 - 9th With a stop gap of converting the 3 Enterprise class which carry say 24 TSFs and Nimitz packs say 48 so to have a full Naval regiment the first six of the Nimitz will carry say 60 per each so the first 6 combine with a Enterprise for 120 TSFs at a time plus the 7th and 8th will carry 60 TSF per Flight II so allow 3 Fleets with 3 TSF carriers and a fourth carrying 2 TSFs 2nd Fleet *2 x Nimitz class - 96 x TSFs *1 x Enterprise class - 24 x TSFs *1 x Montana class 5th Fleet *2 x Nimitz class - 120 x TSFs *1 x Montana class 6th Fleet *2 x Nimitz class - 96 x TSFs *1 x Enterprise class - 24 x TSFs *1 x Montana class 7th Fleet *2 x Nimitz class - 96 x TSFs *1 x Enterprise class - 24 x TSFs *1 x Montana class Now the 5th Fleet pulling back to rearmed after Korea with the 2nd and 6th in the Atlantic while Japan has the 7th Marines with the UN loan the Tarawas and Iowas while US make use of the America class that pack around 12 TSFs and TSAs each along with the Army Garrison with Air Force Bombers I say some 3 TSF Divisions and 1 TSA Division with the Navy a roaming QRF and support call in the UN Pacific Fleet still idea of what to do plus we can have reinforcements from the states fly in

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Love all the numbers. Is this from the new lore book that just came out?

[@45580677]

@@yamamotomechbattles Some me just putting together and modify plus base on the Day After as the JFK had 24 TSFs so most Fleets carrying 120 TSFs of course likely some reserve or spares such as for army forces some and did you see the art of the MEF I link a few days back As for Divisions just something I came up with as for Carriers the 1st and 2nd hulls plus the 3 years in between more of logic and numbers in between so know what assets you might have as winging it

[@yamamotomechbattles]

@@45580677 Ah I see. Those are some cool deductions. I did see the MEF a while ago, I remember that now

[@45580677]

@@yamamotomechbattles From what I know the IRG cuts troops for TSF while the IJA likely TSFs but of course throwing there elite and best units into Korea was like Hugh during the Battle of Britian save there forces to defend home instead hold ground tactics of the Shogun who likely did it as failure to defend Japan likely allowing a new Shogun Overall we can have say 2 MEUs as 1 QRF and one station with 2 more on rotation as once they spent pull up the next keep up and then swap out so depending how many MEUs you want plus those loan to the UN we have two one US and likely one UN if saying as takes 2 years a assault ship but the nuclear powered maybe as might as well could balance out with the number of Carriers but still need at least 3 as part of the chain as one here one on the way and one getting loaded given the war with the BETA I just read somewhere the US could 5000 fighters a year with what we have could be 4000 as 800 passengers jets might as well be a TSF worth so play it safe around 3000 or 6000 depending how you want then when split up to various nations across the world and such Overall say 3 Divisions of F-15s and 1 Division A-10s with say at least 1 MEU plus 1 Naval Regiment of F-14s plus this off the books but the F-23s were dusted off once for a black ops rescue mission behind the BETA lines so if things hit the fan a break in the glass option Plus we can air lift units from the states say A-10s if careful Plus that not counting regular units plus there another thing over look by the 7th Fleet they been in non stop combat could be spent out already and we can't risk there loss as well as BETA close in on the US base needed to evac as well We can''t lose Japan as Soviets they roll up and Alaska next and at best after that won't last long Still thanks to the Hurricane we couldn't support the landing defense but the 7th Fleet on the other side of Japan which was odd but in place behind to cover the Capital we should have had the Imperial Army and IRG engage and have A-10s flanks with Montana laying down fire we may not have saved the Capital but we be more dug in there to halt them at least still it depends as not just us holding the line

[@theofficerfactory2625]

@@45580677 This is probably why the US/ Japan broke up. IJA command probably wanted US troops in areas that would not work with our own established doctrines and would not listen to any other ideas but their own.

[@Gyokuro_Ch.4801]

I rewatched the 1st Episode of MuvLuv Alternative today, gonna continue to do so. Some young audiences in the live chat were talking bad about theanime, saying; "It's AOT but Dollar Store" "This Live Chat more entertainning than the Anime" Man... if only they knew what they're getting themselves into. And if only theychecked out the Visual Novels. MuvLuv is one of the most underrated series I've ever gotten myself into. If I were to pick Gundam or MuvLuv, I would always prefer MuvLuv. Just wanna say, great video! ❤❤❤

[@samisayque]

If they full updated and remastered the trilogy I think it would take off (again). As of now, the art style is hard to get past for modern anime fans. VNs in general are not that popular anymore but MuvLuv is unfortunately held back mostly by its art style and secondly by its eroge tag.

[@generalcheese5858]

Quite early now than the last one. Thank You for another Excellent Video

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks! Yeah, I've been working on these with whatever free time I can. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@PRdreg]

Can't wait for part 2 😏

[@yamamotomechbattles]

I got you covered!

[@martialartssoldier249]

2 things i woulda advanced after those battles. Giving up bullets in trade for effective laser tech, and realizing in those times. Nuclear weapons are our best friends.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Yeah the laser tech is still in the works and is later used to great effect, but logistics demands has forced humans to just keep churning out massive amounts of standardized weaponry rather than mass producing specialized innovations. The nukes have been used in some battles, as well as a nearly tactical nuke equivalent (equipped as a self-deletion option in some ops). Overall though, most of the nations oppose nukes and WMDs because they fear irradiating their countries which they hope to recapture. It's a bleak thing to hope for.

[@lolroflroflcakes]

The interesting part is they clearly thought they could still win with relative ease despite everything happening on the mainland. Think about it, there is literally no defensive depth on the island, their civilians were sheltering basically in the middle of a defensive fortification which means they believed said fortifications would not fall. Perhaps they assumed the Americans would be the definitive factor in holding the island, it would fit with the Imperial Japanese militaries tendency to only plan for the best case scenario. The weird thing is one the scale of the threat became apparent they didn’t initiate an evacuation despite having the means to do so and the shelters just ended up being a convenience for the beta.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Yeah at some point they started pulling civilians out, but it was clearly not soon enough. As far as the episode goes, the Sado Island civilians were symbolic of that old debate between Takeru and Meiya at the volcano, but practically, I think they all thought Sado, their home, was a final refuge while it was the Mainland that was doomed to fall. In the end, whoever survived either had to become new soldiers or were just more mouths to feed...refugees in this world seem to be tolerated first, cared for second due to strained economies. I think they just had no other options than a lose-lose situation, and the dialogue in the episode stated it: "The government isn't showing us the way forward" or something like that, so they just stood and fought and hoped the Americans would pool in with them. Perhaps they hoped the fight really would just be a sideshow and they'd get off easy.

[@freakingknoght-7450]

Thank you for your work on Sadogashima. Cant wait for operation 21th!.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Appreciate it! It's gonna be epic, hope to deliver!

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

21st*

[@erjohnobando8867]

Fuck didnt know theres an actual lore and established documented history created for this franchise. Fuckin awesome

[@strikenoitra1586]

Excelente video!!! Espero que no te moleste si te hablo en Español ya que ese es mi idioma nativo 😅 La Primera Batalla Sadogashima, posteriormente a esta, fue realmente importante ya que los BETAs querían establecer su primer colmena en Japón esa isla (aun con todo el material que he leído de esta franquicia, nunca entendí las explicaciones si las hay porque los BETA establecían sus colmenas en ciertos lugares y en otros no) lo cual establecería su cabeza de playa y dominio en el archipiélago japonés Claramente tras esta batalla y otra en la isla principal el Imperio de Japón estaba al borde del colapso y mas con la construcción de la Colmena 22 en Yokohama que empezó a creer y desarrollar de forma mas rápida y anormalmente comparada a las otras colmenas anterior y posteriores que construirán los BETA en los territorios de Siberia que irían arrebatando a la URSS Otra cosa que sigo sin entender del todo o del 100% en la obra de Muv-Luv, porque las fuerzas EE.UU no ayudaron en la batalla Sadogashima y retirando a sus fuerzas por completo de Japón justamente en ese momento mas desesperados de sus aliados. Si hubiera actuado la Séptima Flota tal vez Sadogashima no habría caído o tal vez si aunque los BETA habrían que haber sufrido perdidas mayores. Aunque es entendible de forma global que EE.UU pusiera como prioridad principal dar soporte al frente del Mediterráneo para evitar que los BETA llegaran África lo cual significaría la perdida de valiosos recursos para este y los demás países ya que con la perdida de Eurasia continental se perdieron los recursos de esta, no cambia el hecho que EE.UU abandono a su suerte a un aliado suyo lo cual mancharía su imagen antes los japoneses incluyendo a sus otros aliados lo cual no extraña que, descontando a Japón, todas la facción sobreviviente en Unlimited: The Day After odien a muerte a EE.UU por sus decisiones y mas aun por la Operación Babilonia del Alternative V Por ultimo, espero tu análisis futuro de la Operación Lucifer o de la Segunda Batalla Sadogashima 😁😁😁

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks! It's okay, my phone can translate haha Yeah, the US could've at least launched a few sorties and moved close enough for naval artillery support. It wouldn't have put them at too much risk. The politicians were eager to leave, but I honestly believe the troops on the ground would've wanted to help. For example, the Jolly Rogers fought in Kyoto to the very final stages, only retreating and handing the baton to Ikaruga after they ran out of ammo ("This is all we have left, good luck"). Of course, historically, I somewhat liken it to the US withdrawals from Vietnam or Afghanistan -- the local military is getting destroyed and the US focuses on leaving. Sadogashima is definitely being worked on. I'm divided on if I'll do Op Lucifer because there's some lore, but not enough to know everyone there and where they were. I've also seen an unvoiced short with Takayuki as MC, but I don't know anything about it.

[@R3CodeD]

I don't know why, but im enjoying this break down, it makes everything more clear I didn't even know they were fighting on an island, in the anime. Actually come to think of it do the Beta not drown? how long can they stay underwater for?

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Thanks, glad you're getting something out of this crazy concept I had lol The BETA don't need to breathe, and thus can survive in space and underwater. They can only survive in the ocean to a certain depth though, any deeper and they don't go because of the pressure. I can't recall the exact limit, but it's very deep, like the midpoint of the Pacific Ocean. Smaller ones need the Fort-Class to transport them under all bodies of water as well. Otherwise, entire herds of BETA can sometimes remain dormant underwater for indefinite periods of time along the Eurasian coastline...when they do it's usually a sign they're about to invade.

[@R3CodeD]

@@yamamotomechbattles Oh yeah, I totally forgot they've already taken mars and the moon, keep up the good work. It was thanks to this, I decided to go back and complete the anime.

[@jerryalbus1492]

the stupid thing about MuvLuv is how much political betrayals and intrigue are still going on despite humanity facing extinction

[@yamamotomechbattles]

I love it. It shows human nature, otherwise the story would be too black and white. Some people in Muv Luv are so arrogant they are already planning for "after we win the war" even though they aren't winning. There will essentially be a huge attempt by various polities at grabbing BETA resources once they've been defeated...much like how ww1 and ww2 saw the winners dividing up territory and resources in ways that would only spark future wars. It's a good commentary about how war is truly waged by our politicians.

[@chingoputoh7969]

Its pretty clear: even when everyone has the same objective (dont get eaten by baters) that doesnt mean they agree on how to achieve it

[@uteriel282]

the fact that the beta used a diversion from korea into western japan to take sadogashima by crossing the shallow yellow sea on mass shows how capable and intelligent the central processing unit in the alpha hive is. they could have taken western japan and put down a hive there but instead went for a small island that gives access routes to all of japan.

[@MIXDJ3000]

I just realized something, where were the orbital divers during this. I feel like the evacuation could've been a lot smoother if they joined the battle. Or maybe even, they could've held out long enough for backup for mainland to come. For an elite unit, the orbital divers are probably one of the most unused units in the muv-luv verse.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

I believe that's because their primary use is for hive infiltration ops, so they're not a defensive force. The key behind their doctrine is in drawing massive amounts of BETA from a hive via normal ground forces, and then sending in a new and elite force from the only other angle the hive can be attacked from...above. It takes a LOT of preplanning and logistics to schedule a drop, as the Sadogashima Hive op took a monumental effort to get all the HSSTs into orbit and in position on time. So they aren't good as a QRF unless someone allocated their resources into being one, but that would also go against what those resources are intended for to begin with. They would make good force multipliers though if embedded with ground troops, like Ellen Aice for example

[@MIXDJ3000]

@@yamamotomechbattles It's a real shame that none of the nations didn't consider investing a lot more in orbital divers especially the US. They could have been amazing quick reaction forces. Imagine seeing dozens of drop pods in the skies during the invasion of Japan. Would've been a good way for Orbital divers to utilize their skills.

[@lolroflroflcakes]

They wouldn’t actually be an effective reserve or quick reaction force because they have limited numbers, do not include supplies, a way to actually get out of the situation and they aren’t that fast. Even if they just happened to be in the correct orbit at the right location to drop on a beleaguered friendly they are either going to roflstomp and it’s ludicrous expenditure of resources for what is essentially a dramatic entrance or you are just trapping more people in a bad situation because again, limits numbers, no supplies and no way out. That said dropping them on their own into a hive doesn’t really seem effective either because ultimately they will be cut off and surrounded unless you immediately follow up. Honestly they seem like they would be best employed not in capturing a hive but instead by securing specific tunnel entrances or securing the ground around the monument for the deployment of a bunker busting nuke. Lasers can’t shoot down the nuke if it’s carried in by the reinforcing army.

[@benlex5672]

Consider the fact that Japan at this point has 3 separate command structures (IJA, MDF, and Imperial guard), 3 different doctrines, and three different mainstay TSFs (Type 77 for MDF, Type 89 and Type 94 for IJA, and Type 82/pre-production type 00 aka type 98 for the Imperial guard) it not a wonder that they can't agree on anything with the US. They can't even agree amongst themselves (with Imperial guards agreeing more to American suggestions while MDF opposing. You have to wonder how the MDF, an organization with 0 experience fighting BETA at this point, gets to decide the defensive strategy of Japan).

[@lethalshed2272]

Komaki real chad ngl, gal fought hard in sadogashima, joined the Rebellion, then got attached to a penal unit and still fought to her fullest

[@erwinklassen8467]

12:46 there is a Taktikal mistake in not exfiltrateing first east to turn north after passing the static defence so the line of fire is not blocked (and the fort class could not have ambushed B Sqadron this way)

[@CallsignYukiMizuki]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Get hyped!!!

[@ravensiege3045]

Pride is good and the death of men in equal measure

[@yamamotomechbattles]

I would've hated to have been the civilians during all of it. At least Sakazaki went down fighting. It was clear her TSF was way too damaged to let her escape

[@Anaheim-Electronics79]

Oh new video let’s go

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Happy to share

[@Anaheim-Electronics79]

@@yamamotomechbattles so what is next video plan to be?

[@yamamotomechbattles]

@@Anaheim-Electronics79 Hmm I'm working on a couple of them at once right now, but if I can get it done on time it'll probably be the big sequel to this one

[@Anaheim-Electronics79]

@@yamamotomechbattles WTF what a mad man cant wait to see what you have for us

[@thekietnguyen2673]

Yay, ya back! :D

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Hell yeah!

[@kiethzpequit7951]

hope this story line from anime made a game for this and place accurate from the anime it will blow world wide for gamers how i wish im a billioner person and making this anime into game

[@yamamotomechbattles]

Yep! That is exactly what I would do if I had billions of dollars. This needs a GOOD video game made for it

[@itzyaboimemez2074]

Bear in mind I'm new to Muv-Luv (I found this just yesterday) but I'm also a sucker on anything military. So I have a few questions: 1. Why didn't the IJF not deploy more underwater detection devices after the BETA took control of Korea? Its pretty much stupid to not do that. 2. Why did the IJF not deploy more mines on the waters outside the island's coastal areas? (i.e. beyond the shallow waters) 3. Why didn't the IJF not evacuate the civilian population when the breach happened? Or better yet, why didn't they just evacuated the population by force when the BETA was reported or smth? Civilian casualties could have been avoided if they pulled out the civilians out of the island. 4. Why did the US decided not to help Japan? Although I can understand Japan's reluctance to rely on US help, but Japan is a strategic location for any potential UN liberation of East Asia as well as another line of defense for the US to prevent the BETA from reaching North America. 5. Why didn't Alpha not retreat from the second line after it was over-runned? The line has already fallen so defending an already fallen line would just be next to useless. 6. Why haven't the IJF not consolidated its remain forces at the third line after the second fell? Pretty much the IJF are scattered after the second fell. So it isn't unplausible to consolidate the remaining defenders to the Third for a much more organized defense. 7. Why did the IJF not fortify and reinforce their coastal lines after the fall of Korea? These are just questions that popped off my head. I may lack on knowledge of Muv-Luv but I do know a lot on anything related to the military.

[@robertungsod691]

I don't understand why japan was ill prepared even tho 5 months is steal plenty of time to prepare since the fall of Eurasia.

[@yamamotomechbattles]

They thought they had till the next year, and their population was incredibly complacent, thinking "the war is on the continent, not here" plus there was a super typhoon that prevented a lot of movement as well

[@murasame5071]

US decition not to join was a bad one. Their firepower alone could have achieved alot. Even if they would not land their troops on Sadogashima. but the biggest problem with the decition not to join was simple - it breeds resentment, and once resentment is taking hold , you cant get rid of it.

[@williamwinters9419]

Actually the visual novel actually explains a good reason why the US didn't join the fight I forgot why they didn't join but the visual novel explains it

[@murasame5071]

@@williamwinters9419 every decision has two sides . ofcourse. the important part is - that gains outweigh the losses.

[@williamwinters9419]

@@murasame5071 that's pretty much what happened the US was originally going to defend Japan but shit happened on the other side of the world (I forgot where but the location is very important that losing it will make humanity lose the war) so like it or not they have to redirect their forces in Japan to that location to fight the BETA lest they lose the entire war even the main characters agree with the US decision

[@murasame5071]

@@williamwinters9419 that kind of dont hold watter. because the US fleet was in Japan. and you can do arty party with out endagering your manpower.

[@williamwinters9419]

@@murasame5071 yes a small US Carrier fleet that housed the VF103 jolly Rogers was in Japan and even helped during the evacuation of Kyoto but majority of the the entire US pacific fleet and its ground forces has been redirected to the other side of the world for a much more important objective And I'm sure there are also many US artillery, MLRS etc at Japan during the BETA invasion and I'm sure they weren't enough to stop the BETA invasion It's pretty much just shit timing if the US forces hadn't been redirected, both US and Japan would probably have flushed the BETA out of japan