FIRST DRIVE: BMW M5 Touring - Now It Makes Sense!

[@TheRaptorWranglerCreates]

This looks WAYYY better than the M5 saloon. The back just fits better.

[@Hype7media]

Definitely better looking, I think they will fix it when the do a LCI facelift

[@verhu010]

Rear 3/4 is still pretty ugly. Lines going all over the place.

[@MrCy101]

Still cursing Dodge for ditching the Magnum

[@rador3573]

Agreed but still not looking good

[@tREVVA1]

Both ugly. Awful unnecessary external angularity ain't gonna age well, already appears appalling!

[@nathandunn9743]

This thing is heavier than an X5 Let that sink in

[@rogersliu1200]

it is havier than an EV with large battery. WHY

[@premonemo]

This thing could sink through concrete

[@cbotten106]

Not the hybrid.

[@MoJo-2977]

@@rogersliu1200because it also has a large engine smh… look at the weight of the 2024 Panamera Turbo e-hybrid…

[@Michaelation08]

​@MoJo-2977 4.4L V8 is a tiny engine for a V8. It's the hybrid system and all the unnecessary options that make just a bit heavier than our sun

[@TVCHLORD]

No it still doesn’t make sense

[@hoodooking1133]

Make sense you can't afford one still right 😅

[@MuzikM_85]

At all!!

[@BobbyDazzler888]

@@hoodooking1133regurgitating the same 11 year old line.

[@hoody3758]

@@hoodooking1133 "you can't afford it," wrote a kid whose mother pays for the Internet.

[@hoodooking1133]

@hoody3758 I own 6 bmws bozo your crazy my favorite is my old school alpine b5, 651 coupe, my m8, my m3 and my 86 325 lol 🤣😅

[@givemeajackson]

no, it doesn't make sense. 2.3 tons for a car transporting at most 5 people will never make sense, under any circumstances.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

It's not 2.3 tonnes, it's 2475kg, or 2550kg according to some sources, I've not looked into why. Either way, the saloon was heavier than a Giulia QV towing a Cessna (including the trailer). This is now heavier than a Giulia QV towing a Cessna (including the trailer) with a dog on board. About as expensive too...I wonder who is thinking "yeah I could have a practical, fast, fun car *AND* a plane, but nah I'll take the car that weighs more than a Bentayga, that well known lightweight sports car 🤣

[@WDLC1911]

2.75 tons…. 👀 I’ll pass.

[@MadDaCube]

@@ApothecaryTerry Well the Giulia is a sales flop and this M5 won't be so to answer your question. A lot of people think like that actually.

[@kakotokakoto2746]

​@@MadDaCubeGiulia is a sports car for enthusiasts and there arent much of them around, especially with 80k in the bank. M5 is powerfull truck-like machine thats not sports car but luxury cruiser for rich people that want badge recognition and there is a good amount of these everywhere. But all of this doesnt mean that new m5 is any better as drivers car than AR Giulia.

[@richardcamp8301]

That is what EV's weigh! Wait for the tyre bill from them

[@shaneshannon5684]

Their reviews aren’t really reviews anymore. This just told me about the car. Didn’t go into how it makes you feel or anything

[@Digiphex]

If they tell the truth BMW will stop giving the long term loaners out.

[@Lee-zk8vu]

Spot on. Any decent KZbinr can produce a video review at almost no cost. Democratization of car reviews. Legacy publishers like TG, with massive cost structures, are ailing as they can't differentiate. They can't afford to take chances, but haven't realized that they go out of biz in the mid-term unless they do so. (TG, best to lower your cost structure if you wish to survive. The game has changed, and party over.)

[@hoody3758]

Top Gear has become more of an advertiser than a reliable source of information. most of these materials are sponsored by manufacturers.

[@SirAMG63]

Because they’re paid by this stupid company to say biased, unrealistic remarks.

[@whatwelearned]

I mean, he literally talks about how it feels for the last 4 minutes. I'm not saying it's a good review but don't post nonsense.

[@soawn29]

I guess f90 m5 really went up in value😂

[@rcauthen324]

I have '21 F90 M5 Comp with 20k miles and was ready to sell it and get a G90. I have since changed my mind and going to wait for the LCI G90. It may grow on me; otherwise, I will wait for the next M3.

[@duffydon1741]

No, it didn’t, unlike the C63, this will sell well, only BMW gets away with these shenanigans!!

[@Hype7media]

​@@duffydon1741hahaha I would agree

[@rcauthen324]

@@duffydon1741 Agree, the M3/M4 is a perfect example. 🤣

[@standopowah]

​@@rcauthen324for the love of everything Holy do not sell and buy the g90. Stop rewarding their failures

[@MikeStarrPSN]

Everybody! SKIP to 9 minutes and 37 seconds; that's WHERE A BEAUTIFUL CAR IS!

[@3ducs]

That or an Audi A6. The new cars have lost the plot, heavier, harder to see out of, screens, no thanks.

[@e.heckscher1576]

And it requires and patience to drive. Imagine that!

[@3ducs]

@@e.heckscher1576 "and patience"?

[@e.heckscher1576]

@@3ducs Yeah dude, like he said in the video. You have to wait to get on the throttle out of the corner. You can set lap times elsewhere.

[@3ducs]

@@e.heckscher1576 Oh, it requires patience. Gotcha.

[@axelmogr]

looks better than the saloon but not much better.

[@ALMX5DP]

I’m glad to have stuck around for the latter portion of the video to see a true ///M car. Pleasantly surprised.

[@JaredDixon]

I'm sorry, but when did we start thinking wagons are not cool? I can't believe the non-enthusiast crowd isn't interested in wagons, especially in the US.

[@mazzoni23]

brands made us think that because SUVs have a way higher profit margin

[@ApothecaryTerry]

They're cool, but are they cooler than an SUV if they're also heavier? This thing weighs 10% more than a Lamborghini Urus...

[@Themayseffect]

​@@mazzoni23They do.

[@GTKlopfer]

@@ApothecaryTerry Even if they are as heavy as an SUV, the COG is still lower and the frontal area is smaller. The Urus is ICE only, and the M5 Touring is lighter than its SUV sibling the XM. Although the new M5 is way to heavy and I would never consider buying one.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

@@GTKlopfer It's probably still got a worse CdA and CoG than a Model X Plaid (which is also lighter) 😄 CdA might be close, since I'm guessing M5 has better area but worse Cd. (CdA = actual drag including frontal area, guessing you know based on your comment, but just in case!). While the comparisons to other cars are funny, really there's only one comparison that matters: it's at least 500kg heavier than what it should have weighed...

[@jamesbanner5569]

I'd have it in a minute. Well an RS6 Avant preferably

[@kpandkpllc9074]

I have an 24 RS6, its a pure animal

[@andreiarama8745]

Is this M5 heavy? YES! Is this a bad thing? YES! But what many people fail to understand was that BMW had to choose between HEAVY M5 AND NO M5. Because a pure ICE 700hp M5 is close to 300g/CO2 and no way in hell you can sell a car like this in 2025

[@thesupremekai1980s]

Sensible comment among the array of this is wrong...

[@WDLC1911]

I don't need a 700 bhp M5...

[@axe2grind244]

Then don’t make it 700hp lol. Where the f are people using 700hp on public roads btw 😂?

[@andreiarama8745]

@@axe2grind244 I guess you don't know much about cars. German car makers make first cars for Germany where they don't have speed limits so if Mercedes builds a 700hp saloon BMW has to make one with 720hp and so on. The old M5 had 635 HP,the new one needs more

[@borely24]

@@andreiarama8745 If they only made cars for the German market that would make sense. But...they're a global brand. You say it was a choice between this and no M5, well they could of made a 300bhp M5 thats half the weight and we would all had to have to get just our heads around that being progress. A massive change in mindset is needed. Probably wont happen though as thick heads are obsessed with power increases.

[@almoeezali6326]

I hate the appliance design all new cars got

[@Stumpy77]

Where did it all go so wrong? That old M5 is FANTASTIC.

[@unowen-nh9ov]

Good thing you haven't changed in 30 years.

[@AltoForteRacing]

Nahhhhh I’m good thanks mate

[@akilh340]

Lmao

[@unowen-nh9ov]

Only because you haven't driven 1 & never will.

[@NatVirgo]

@@unowen-nh9ovwhy are you on every comment that doesn’t like the car trying to defend it? Bmw isn’t going to send you a m5

[@Don_Cravallo]

Sounds more like you're broke 😂

[@unowen-nh9ov]

@@NatVirgo Don't want them to, but not rewarding 40 million "social media followers" for trolling co. that's smarter than they are & sell fraction that #.

[@t8polestarcyan22]

Sports Station wagons look soooo much better than SUVs! This touring is NO exemption! So happy that Touring have returned!

[@Armour783]

BMW uses the VDA (Verband der Automobilindustrie) method, using 200x100x50xmm blocks filling up to the parcel shelf for cargo volume behind second row. So there is a bunch of space between the top the second row and the roof in the touring that isn't being measured.

[@pipimontana]

Great rear! Imagine Borat & Brüno design a rear bumper with a Ali G-string and a hint of sprayfart 😂

[@NorthWay_no]

Somehow looks much better than the saloon. Note to sound editor: You should boost the decibels of the sound mix a bit.

[@ilovemusic4401]

I don't know why everyone hates the M5. If you don't feel the weight, why is everyone upset? And everyone wanted a V8 and BMW did that and in the end no one is happy and if BMW had installed a 4 or 6 cylinder then everyone would have hated the M5 too. I think we just have to be happy that a V8 is still in there.

[@benmas4367]

M5 Touring FOREVER. So happy to see, she is back... M5 E61 was my dreaming car... And she is its modern extension... So many Thanks BMW, may be not your profitable car, but you made it and that's all it matter...

[@Digiphex]

It looks like Hollywood trying to make a future car for a B movie with a low budget. They toss in a square display up on the dash and some hated piano black on the outside where it gets dirty immediately.

[@maureliosrah3892]

The Touring hands down! The rear design is what I prefer 👍🏾

[@barneyrubble9309]

id take that special Skoda Superb over this...which is way to "look at me" like most modern M cars.

[@PerfDayToday]

And tuned by RE Performance as recently tested by Johnny of the late brake show.

[@somerandomfella]

Prefer a M3 Touring or RS6.

[@anotae]

RS4 or BMW alpina B5

[@laurentwiedemann283]

If you run in front of a car, you get tired. If you run behind a car, you get exhausted.

[@Hm32271]

I've literally just ordered mine, delivery February/March.

[@patrickbateman7122]

😂😂🤡

[@Khathutshelo_N]

Lets go!

[@talkditingsdem5799]

So what.

[@Michael-Masi-911]

Why?

[@HandleCarefully925]

I absolutely love (powerful) station wagons…the RS6, the E63 wagon and now this. Super stealth!

[@nikolaypetrov2554]

What is stealthy about all of them? The latests versions of them all are as flashy as they can be.

[@HandleCarefully925]

@ Perhaps you know the cars, and what they’re capable of. But to the average person they are “just station wagons”. Yes, they look flashy, but that isn’t the point. They are station wagons that when pushed they are bruisers, capable of high performance - wolf in sheep’s clothing.

[@nikitamarynich1794]

Beautiful, efficient and powerful family car.

[@davidjoseph1]

Always Loved BMW since I’ve been a kid in my dad’s 98 323is. With that being said, the RS6 is simply undeniable. This M5 looks amazing still

[@V2win1000]

Can't wait to watch this, but I figured the M5 now makes the best sense as a direct competitor to the RS5 👌 we'll see how they stack up head to head!

[@Murdie118]

Looks and feels like a mini XM, not in a good way.

[@unowen-nh9ov]

Joe Achilles (who has actually driven both) says as bad as that is this is good. This has no competition.

[@chriswhitaker9720]

but you havent drove one......

[@unowen-nh9ov]

@@chriswhitaker9720 & like you, never will, why I live thru Joe & Thomas from Autogefuhl, they know what they're talking about (& driving).

[@chriswhitaker9720]

@@unowen-nh9ov that wasn’t for you but person above. I already have a deposit down hopefully will get an allocation late spring

[@unowen-nh9ov]

@chriswhitaker9720 ENVIOUS! Can you throw me in the back with the groceries, dogs & skis?

[@tomokokishi3066]

Imagine the outrage if Lexus come out with a station wagon nearly 3 tonnes weight and called it a sport vehicle.

[@patrickbateman7122]

TG has caught the Joe Achilles disease! God that black 34 is gorgeous!

[@Skyreem2020]

Im excited about this M5 touring. BMW listened to their customers by sticking with the V8. I am saving for the Saloon though 🤭.

[@TylerSmithMusic1]

I don’t get the hate. I can’t afford one, but love the wagons with big motors and comfort in mind.

[@yaboiyosef7640]

“Nicely done” is not how I would describe that monstrous screen

[@desmondlesetedi7209]

I'd have the touring, thank you. That dirty rear window makes it look amazing 👏

[@urbanstrencan]

Tom I can definitely see you rocking this monster long-term 😂😂😂😂 the best big estate out there right now ❤ as usual awesome video

[@javier987]

Is it possible to have this upgraded to the early 2000s design? 😬

[@mikeypv6]

I actually remember this guy on Fifth Gear driving the E61 M5 Touring on a mission to deliver some football kit before the boat left or something... I was only thinking of this yesterday and here he is today with the new M5 Touring... crazy world 😅

[@kabz9062]

Tom I have been a fan for years and I think you look as good as the car itself, stay blessed and great presentation.

[@timmyboy2276]

No one wants a full electric M5!! The EV market is crashing!!!! No one wants to lose 50% of the value in a year!!

[@akilh340]

Most people buying M5s don't look at EVs

[@rador3573]

​@@akilh340how do you know? Is there a number or research on this?

[@rossmyers8448]

I appreciate markets are different everywhere but here in Australia we pay WAY too much for European cars to begin with, but a new M5 here is $280,000, I can pick up a 2020 model for about $150,000. A new 2024 Telsa Model 3 Performance is $90,000 and a 2020 Model 3 Performance is about $45,000. Depreciation is not great on both makes.

[@hoody3758]

@@rador3573 look at the sales of the electric Abarth and the previous combustion version. the same with the rest of the producers. no one wants electric cars. especially electric sports cars.

[@oskar6661]

@@rador3573 Dozens of channels have been cataloguing this for a while. Major manufacturers have pulled out of Formula E...numerous open statements about EV sales being disappointing. Toyota and other big EV runners already moving to Hydrogen and other alternate fuel forms. And yes, EV's are currently losing between 45-65% of their value in a single year...while stuff like diesel vehicles are losing 8-10% in the same time frame. There is info on this everywhere.

[@DRRCreations]

A video showing perfectly just how far modern cars have lost their way! Surely everyone would rather have the E34!? 😮

[@sheumais63]

Watching the first half of this, I was thinking does an M5 owner want all that depreciation, weight and plug-in stuff, or does he (I assume) want something purer, and more nimble? He might prefer something more straightforward, involving and attractive, like an earlier version. Then you produced the E34. I suspect I'd have fun in the new M5, but would probably go for an E34, or even rarer E39 Touring, if I could find one.

[@arkeon_6321]

Touring is way better looking. And I also wanna say ty for such a well explained and detailed review of the car. It was the perfect amount of witty and science and car facts. Been loving your reviews.

[@GazDoran]

Definitely proper the Touring to the Saloon. But then, I'm a wagon/estate/touring/shooting brake fan. P.s. my Cossie is from '92. Good year! The 90's was a great decade for cars

[@ricardofreitas2402]

Is there fake engine noise coming to the cabine through the speakers when the M sound is ON, or just the valves open?

[@roadreg1820]

I remember watching Tom drive the E61 M5 Touring on Fith Gear back in the day!

[@killamrbxb1151]

NGL, always loved the touring/avant style...just something about it.

[@markwoods8898]

Great to see Tom doing driver reviews.

[@alirizvi5553]

Still happy they kept v8 and didn't just do a complete EV or some weird 4 banger on it. No M5 or this. Would still choose this over EV or some 4 banger with electric motors.

[@amacke4736]

a thing of beauty, BMW nailing it lately

[@f80dan]

def looks better than the saloon.

[@sugarsaint]

First time the RS6 has EVER been rivaled on looks imo Stunning car

[@MTKARusty]

Everyone is complaining about the weight and it's a lot but listen to the latest TST with Jonny Lieberman. He explains the reason its posted weight is so heavy is bc of a new EU law that requires manf to weigh the car with all fluids, 90% full tank, 1 passenger that weighs Xkg, cargo that weighs Xkg, and the car has to be fully optioned out (aka heavier). So the posted weight is not the actual weight of the car.

[@reivanen]

When it's not enough to buy the ///M, but you need to get the "driver's package" for extra $$$ just to disable the speed limiter, you know you are dealing with the wrong brand.

[@JBOsurf]

E34 please!

[@Khathutshelo_N]

It's heavy, can't blown away by wind❤

[@matthewoakley3772]

My e39 M5 was the most fun tow car I have owned. I would love a modern replacement

[@SuperOpticJ]

does this touring not have the split tailgate where you just open the glass panel at the back ?

[@filsal8723]

No, they stopped including the split tailgate with this generation 🙄 Another reason to hate on it 😅

[@SuperOpticJ]

@@filsal8723 ahhhh man why bmw why

[@DolleHengst]

If it was just the M5 Touring i wouldn't mind. Say because of the carbon roof spoiler. Or weight savings. It would mean they make a bespoke tailgate for the M5. However, you can't open the rear window on any 5 Touring. It's not even available as an option!

[@YanalFanio]

You never fail to surprise us!

[@akilh340]

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[@bobanppvc]

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[@robertarthur3711]

i had a new V10 touring 2008, honestly great engine but that's it. also depreciation was bewildering! i stay away from modern M cars

[@bobyoung1698]

I like everything except the electronics, so I guess I like the tires, the paint, and the flat-bottomed steering wheel.

[@orbitaljunkie]

Touring all day every day - but man, the classic bimmers are just choice.

[@dhfozzie]

I would still have the RS6 and I have owned 20 bmws

[@mziwendukuntsele671]

Wow!

[@nahidrahman]

Touring over the saloon for sure. Shame all the previous gens didn’t get Tourings

[@jaded3king]

Loved that intro

[@heathcornbeef]

Bro you left out HOLDEN SS 6 LTR V8 and HSV 6.2 Club sport waggons

[@heathcornbeef]

The Aussies finally got something right 👍

[@TheImperfectGuy]

that's not available in most of the world though you can get an M5 Wagon everywhere

[@heathcornbeef]

@TheImperfectGuy sad for the rest of the world 😭😭😭

[@heathcornbeef]

@TheImperfectGuy kia ora hello from Aotearoa new zealand hope you're well brother 🤞👍💪✌️

[@heathcornbeef]

@TheImperfectGuy B.M.W BAVARIAN MONEY WASTER BOB MARLEY & the WHALERS

[@justaddafan]

How do they measure the cargo capacity? In the estate, does it include the volume above the cargo cover? I suspect there's a lot more volume than is reported.

[@simonhughes7382]

As a Tesla (M3 performance) owner, who would like to trade to an M3 or M5 (comp, maybe touring)...who on earth says they want a hybrid, plug in M5? Who does this appeal to? Drive to the shops in silence option? And 4wd? Prices on older models are really going to hold strong for years.

[@fredericoamigo]

Soooo cool. Defensively the touring.

[@Pheatan]

with you in the middle blocking the spilt grill this thing looks like the next generation ford falcon.

[@GlenMcCabe]

The Galant VR4 wagon would have weighed about half this and cost a tiny fraction of it... is that progress? I'm not sure. New M5 looks great though!

[@roninfr4666]

Thanks for saving my life m6

[@linus5514]

Without a doubt the Touring.

[@iclic5214]

Great video of a great car! I am asking myself if we are heading in the right direction... To experience speed I can ride a race bike with 8kg... Of course you cant compare and this car is an absolute masterpiece. Is it OK to enjoy a car like this in these times ???

[@curry4par]

and this is the only m5 touring model to come to the US. why couldnt we get the f90 touring?

[@monstermax22]

Read the road test in a popular car mag and the journalist who wrote the review felt the interior isn't up to usual standard. I looked at one in the flesh today at my dealer and he's not wrong. Very comfortable, though.

[@1bigboi_629]

6:36 - Almost went off the road there then mate🤣

[@kalvds9345]

A lot like the E60 M5, the Touring version is absolutely the way to go. The saloon looks like the lovechild of the E60 M5 and a VW Passat B7!

[@Freddyskins00]

Definitely the Touring!

[@Yarmox]

It does look nice, I just wish it was a good ICE instead of a heavy hybrid.

[@ProjectTheKhan]

it does look good and yeah all the numbers

[@BeezonToast]

Even though I will most likely never be able to afford one estate / wagon everyday of the week as to my eye it just looks better. That being said, I have a dog, play drums and have two kids, so useable space is vital for my daily. However, M3 Touring everyday of the week. 2 meters wide and 5 meters long in car parks and B-roads sounds very stressful in the UK.

[@RobertLeBlancPhoto]

I'd love to order a new M5 Touring, but my budget can only take a new 550e. Good enough?

[@matthewoakley3772]

Can you fit a towbar, what is towing capacity?

[@rcBitz]

Give me the M5 from the 90's any day. We have lost our way.

[@Spademonkey]

Is the saturation on the video turned down? There's a lot of red that looks orange in the video

[@Marc-nc9yv]

Honest question. Why not X5 M comp. If you want room go SUV. It’s it a Europe thing? Thanks

[@lloydbrock2711]

I wonder where the car weight issue will stop? Will we eventually be driving round in cars with the kerb weight of an HGV? The roads in the UK don't need any extra help in ripping themselves apart.

[@zuu6023]

I bloody love it

[@Chrissy-H]

I always wonder how much damage it causes to an engine in one of these when you've been cruising in EV and then ask the engine to give you everything for an overtake, and the lump is still cold. I'd be a lot happier if I knew it had some sort of oil pre-heater to ensure that the engine was properly ready (maybe it does?).

[@holdin09]

I don't know for a fact but I'm sure it will take heat and put it through the engine as the oil needs to be a certain temperature to lubricate, otherwise the engine would seize.

[@Chrissy-H]

@@holdin09 Thats what I would like to happen, but driving our own PHEV (Mitsubishi) I have a different experience... It will happily cruise on EV until it runs out of battery. It doesn't seem to turn the engine over or idle it at all to make sure it's prepared, it just fires it up and asks for all the power when you need it for overtaking. These machines are so complex and most drivers have no mechanical sympathy, but it can't be at all good.

[@millzstackz8760]

Touring looks way better 🔥🔥

[@adams7405]

Think i will stick to my M550i...the depreciation on this will be savage,doesn't feel any faster and you can feel that weight braking.Mine has a nicer simpler cabin as well

[@vindevhunta4905]

Even UGLIER ..!!!😢 AUDI MAKES SOME OF THE BEST LOOKING WAGONS

[@reubs91]

The Passat 206Rline is 1655kg and makes a lot more sense now..

[@stephenclarke1582]

Touring version for sure

[@mgzw90]

The 90s touring for me please!! The new one weighs more than Neptune!!!

[@gaycha6589]

This car solves a problem that no one has.