First Factions to Rebel Against the Empire

[@TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524]

I'm really hoping that Andor goes more into this topic. Legends touched on it very early on after the Original Trilogy ended. And it is the reason the New Republic was always so weak. Half their powers didn't want a Republic, especially the smugglers, pirates, and criminals the Rebellion relied upon so heavily. They expanded this during the Clone Wars era Legends content with the former CIS planets rejecting the New Republic.

[@topnotchshinobi]

I’m also curious about the “Bad Batch” era of pre-rebellion factions (and how/why they fail to overcome the Empire): We’ve got… 1- Saw Gerrera’s Partisans, 2- Cham Syndulla’s “Free Ryloth” movement, 3- Rex’s budding “clone rebellion” (along with the aid of a handful of underworld characters such as the Martez sisters, and potentially the Bad Batch themselves) 4- Maul and Crimson Dawn

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

The likely reason is they never organized and were too small to make a major difference. Even if your Rebel Cell kicked the Imperials off your planet, they’ll just come back with reinforcements. After the Empire crushes the Separatist Holdouts, there isn’t a large foe to fight until the Rebellion is formed. As we hear in Star Wars Rebels, there never really was anything larger than a sector-wide Rebel Cell, like Phoenix Cell for the Lothal Sector. Not to mention in these early days, memories of the Clone Wars will be fresh. Cells made up of former Republic and Separatist soldiers and agents aren’t going to want to work together. The Separatists would see Republic Cells as wanting to return to the status quo that started everything in the first place. And the Republic will view Separatist cells as wanting to continue the evils of the Separatist Alliance. After all, why would the Partisans want to work with a Separatist cell after just years ago they were fighting against a Separatist occupation? Same thing for an Umbara Rebel Cell if they had to work with a Wookie Rebel Cell. Opposite sides.

[@TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524]

@@tristankawatsuma8962 In Legends, Mon Mothma did manage to wrangle the CIS and Republic adherents and convince them to work together. It was after the war that things went south as the CIS loyalists still wanted their independence and didn't support the rise of a New Republic. In older Legends materials this fractured framework resulted in a lot of autonomous and semi-autonomous systems and planets that agreed to follow certain laws of the New Republic but maintained their own militaries and taxes. That is how Thrawn was able to take over so much of the galaxy; he convinced those planets to pay tribute to him and leave the New Republic and he would honor their independence, something the New Republic wasn't doing a good job of.

[@Interitus1]

This was something that angered me it wasn't addressed in the Sequel trilogy. It makes sense for systems to be wary of joining the new Republic, fearing it may simply become a new Empire. But this is never addressed. Why is the New Republic so weak, the movies give us no answers.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

@@Interitus1 Well in the case of Canon New Republic, the reason to not want to join is the fear that it would be just as weak as the Old Republic before the Clone Wars. That they would join and get nothing in return, that if they were attacked nobody would come to their aid. The New Republic itself was so scared of becoming like the Empire that it demilitarized itself soon after the war and ensured the position of chancellor was basically powerless. Understandable intentions, but terrible consequences for the galaxy.

[@johnquach8821]

Nightswan in the Thrawn book tried his hand at Rebellion and failed horribly. Admittedly he was going up against Thrawn, one of the most competent Imperials ever.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

The galactic civil war started unofficially in 4BBY, and officially in 2BBY, the war would not outbreak until the battle of scarif. Then the battle of yavin would mark the beginning of the end of the galactic empire. As for the early rebel units, many fans will remember when the kaminoans started a clone rebellion (in legends) with their anti-clone troopers, despite their efforts they were defeated by the 501st, under the command of boba fett.

[@ImmortalFenix88]

Just wanna say thank you Allen, I know you’ve been making these videos for years now and it is greatly appreciated by fans like me who just enjoy delving deeper into the lore of Star Wars.

[@FastTquick]

I my opinion, the Galactic Civil War officially began in 2 BBY with some early major Alliance victories over Kamino and Fresia. Fresia in particular is where the Rebel Alliance got their hands on the newly created X-Wing and the blueprints for making more of them. If we’re going to talk about early resistance movements, I would like to add the Seperatist holdouts as an honorable mention. They continued to fight the Empire even after the death of the Separatist Council, but were eventually destroyed by 9 BBY.

[@maxstirnersego]

I honestly was surprised number 1 wasn't the Separatist holdouts, or that they didn't even make the list

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

I really like to see a Republic and Separatist cell work together. Seeing them discuss their issues between each other while trying to work together against the Empire. Separatists complain about how if it wasn’t for the Republic, none of this would have happened in the first place. The Republic cells complain about Separatist war crimes and how technically they never solved the problem as the megacorporations ran and controlled the military. Separatists complain that the corporations wouldn’t even have been so powerful if the Republic hadn’t ignored the Outer Rim members of the Republic, leaving them exposed to pirates and criminals. The Republic cells complain about how Grievous and the generals and admirals chosen by Dooku and the Separatist Council were just as brutal as the current Imperial officers. And back and forth and back and forth. It ironically almost seems like the Republic conducted itself better morally in wartime than it did in peacetime. For the Separatists, it might have been the opposite. Who knows?

[@shaunw9092]

We might see this in Andor...

[@Interitus1]

Naboo is in a strangely unique position. On the one had, their former Senator is now the Chancellor and then Emporer. Making the planet important to Palpatine. On the other their Former Queen and then Senator was against the idea of the Empire. What we don't know is what the average person from Naboo felt. What's more interesting is the Empire's harsh treatment of aliens and the fact that the Gungan also live on Naboo.

[@classical4872]

From what i know, Palpatine didn't care about Naboo at all. Now, i don't know if this was always the case or if there was some point in his life where he went from caring about his homeworld to not caring at all... but i imagine that if there was a certain point in his life, it would've been during his time as a sith apprentice with a test from Darth Plagueis.

[@LJLvids]

One of my favourite fun facts about the current canon is that the 'free Ryloth movement' where the first faction ever to take down an imperial star destroyer. I understand it to some extend that some minor details from the books or comics are changed to better fit on screen storytelling. But i do hope that, that is one detail they stick with.

[@theauraone7755]

9 fought, 9 lost, 9 inspired, and 9 wins in the end of things.

[@brockgundich]

The wookiees won

[@theauraone7755]

@@brockgundich I agree.

[@redsender1233]

9/10 times it works, every time.

[@theauraone7755]

@@redsender1233 Also true.

[@BillyBOB-sm3rl]

It definitely started galaxy wide. When the Emperor announced the formation of the Empire. For some planets/cultures. It could have started at the end of the war. When the Empire wouldn't leave or when they tried to wipe them out.

[@neofulcrum5013]

I look forward to seeing the different rebel groups against the Empire.

[@shcdemolisher]

I’ve always admired the battle scene in Solo, since it showed a full scale battle going on, like Battlefront but cranked to 10! It was EPIC!

[@anotherDnightmare]

The Imperial Wagon Queen Family Truckster. Underrated troop transport

[@jdiluigi]

Dude. The videos I've caught over the last week or so have dove into the human element and "reality" that SW characters live in. Its awesome. I hope other viewers that have gotten bored of SW YT content get drawn back in like me.

[@ugoeze7360]

These lo-fi hip hop instrumentals are 🤌🏽🤌🏽

[@user-Jay178]

Like seeing different rebels group fight the empire before they united.

[@casualsatire5739]

It's interesting to try and think about how you would do this. Who would you ally with, where would you hide, how would you get supplies and equipment, how do you recruit more people, maintain ships, and so on. Seems like at least some of the surviving Separatists would have a lot of experience improvising this sort of thing. Really hoping that the Bad Batch, or whatever rebels they might show, are forced to work with former separatists. Could be cool to see how they try and get over their old hostility.

[@miguelprieto2817]

I literally had to rewind the burp a bunch of times. It caught me off guard and I exploded in laughter each time 😅.

[@andrewlim9345]

Good overview of the predecessors to the Rebellion.

[@juliusbossman7280]

I hope that the Separatist Holdouts appear in Andor since Cassian's family were separatists. Give them some love

[@caleblee855]

I'd probably include Captain Rex's clone network from the Bad Batch as during that time he was trying to get other Clones that defected to join his fight against the empire

[@Star_Wars_With_PercyMan]

Been working on a Howzer video today, and the Ryloth arc is so good in the bad batch

[@mikewaterfield3599]

For the individual the war began the minute they decided to actively fight the Empire. For history’s sake one might say the war began with Mon Mothma’s declaration. Not unlike how the Revolution was a shooting fight for over a year before the Declaration of Independence. Yet in terms of formality the war really began in earnest 04JUL76

[@ChiveIsBadAtGames]

Weird I Never Thought Anyone But The Rebels Fighting Against The Empire

[@themalcahtwinz4743]

You missed the most badass one bro. The Kaleesh (a reptilian species, and what Grievous used to be) actually fought the empire for 10 years. They were monsters bruh. Despite having inferior weapons and inferior numbers, they fucked up the empire. Even thrawn couldn't think of a strategy against them, and decided to just blow up the surface. After 10 years they finally gave up.

[@mattlovespeebee]

Awesome as always. You make such great content and I love learning/rediscovering so much information.

[@slicerneons3300]

They were the Sparks that ignited the flame. Rise Up and Resist Tyranny, all it takes is your Courage.

[@neofulcrum5013]

It takes one to raise the flag of defiance for the rest to rally behind. A beautiful thing.

[@michaelsargeant5923]

Thank you and the team for all their hard work. Very enjoyable as always. From your friends across the pond 🇬🇧

[@annjeffery425]

I loved the quotes at the beginning of each section. I haven't heard some of them before. Where did you get them? books? shows? comics? Also, who said them?

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

I hope to see more of the clone rebellion Rex is forming. Of course given the footage in the Bad Batch Seasom 2 trailer, this Rebel cell will have many non-clones in it and might even form ties with the Partisans and Ryloth Rebels early. It would be interesting and kind of ironic though if it was this clone trooper Rebel cell that struck the first real blow to the Empire. Not just destroying some factory or mining complex on a planet, or even helping rebels escape like what the Mon Calamari fleet had to do in 18 BBY when the Empire took over their planet. I’m meaning like something that has repercussions that go all the way to the Original Trilogy. Perhaps they cripple Palpatine’s cloning operation, leading it to be moved to Exegol. Or perhaps they inspire planets across the galaxy to form small rebel cells. Nothing united like the Rebel Alliance, but a prelude to it. Or maybe they even eliminate a key Imperial. For all we know, Rampart has plans to ensure the Stormtrooper program takes care of the flaws we see later on. Perhaps the clone rebellion becomes the major reason why instead of just leaving clone troopers in the Imperial Military, Palpatine kicks most of them out onto the streets and in cruddy retirement homes. Granted, that would be a negative consequence of the Clone Rebels, but it would eliminate the most efficient soldiers in the Imperial Military.

[@zeratul____1228]

Actually we are already seeing some like this where the Clone Commando clones aren't teaching the Stormtroopers everything they know, in essence sabotaging the program so they can continue to justify their existence a bit longer. Also the destruction of the Kamino Cloning facilities will have sent a wave through the entire Clone army, with much like the destruction of Alderaan will inspire other Clones to rise up against the Empire. So we likely will see a small scale version of that happen with something important being destroyed/lost to the Empire. One thing I have always wanted to see is something I like to call "one last day in Grand Army of the Republic". Where the remnants of the Clone Army weary and battle wron wear their armour one last time in the service to the republic; to take back the Coruscant capital by taking the senate building. Burning away the Imperial banners and raising the symbol of the Republic.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

@@zeratul____1228 Yeah, but this would end with the TK Troopers proving themselves by preventing this takeover of the capital.

[@zeratul____1228]

@@tristankawatsuma8962 Sorry I forgot to mention that last part being Post Endor.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

@@zeratul____1228 As great as clones would be, there is no way they could liberate Coruscant at their age by that point. I mean, strike forces of men in their late sixties to mid-seventies crippling parts of the capital to allow a larger Rebel force to liberate the city planet? The baby clones-presuming the Empire evacuated them before destroying all Kaminoan cities, would be in bodies that are early-fifties. It's because of this old age thanks to the acceleration of their aging that most clones still alive didn't partake in the Rebellion despite being kicked out of the Empire by that point.

[@nateosborne7361]

Always hope for more jimmy smits

[@theoperumal5174]

Would love to see a video about who would become Supreme Chancelor if palpatine were removed from power

[@mosu101lastname2]

😆most insightful comment ever @ 10:26!

[@soaringraven0]

I think that was the "art of gorilla warfare" demonstration 😆

[@Kt4nk]

That burp got you a like. That right there is called comedic timing.... Why am I still laughing?

[@keybladenoctis373]

@Generation Tech can you make a video comparing Imperial stormtroopers to First Order stormtroopers?

[@kernowpictures2002]

What’s the name of the soundtrack in the background? Because it plays on loop at one of the exhibits at the Fleet Air Arm Museum

[@KristoffTitan]

Andor gave us that answer it's 5 BBY. With the announcement and taking over 80 mil

[@surters]

The rebellion must have started when Organa rescued Yoda.

[@isaackim7675]

They should bring in the Siege of Lasat into live action or a comic that way we have more information about what had happened

[@noahdean9685]

That would be cool we get to see zeb and agent point of view

[@Red-v8z2y]

Anyone looking for some good stories there is a minbanesse story currently being posted on fan fiction that is really good. It’s called the mimban campaign

[@masonripton2574]

Not a single comment about how he just burped mid sentence in the vid 😂

[@chriswright7082]

I noticed it I thought I was crazy

[@yaang9258]

The reason Kashyyk was invaded by Separatists was because of a Wookie Spacing Guild that had access to secret hyperspace routes. Palpatine wanted to secure those routes, and a potential labour force, and so would use the Republic Operations, turned Imperial, to secure the planet. Kashyyk was doomed the moment the Clone Wars began.

[@bokvarv1926]

Thecnically this would be the CIS and various seperatist cells, as these were the first rebels. the clone war did not end with the fall of the republic but actually continued under the empire

[@joshuadelbelbelluz8325]

Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please

[@notsure134]

All the Republic forces technically had left Mandalore after Maul was captured 🤷‍♂️ Too bad that deal wasn't made with the Imperials

[@facundogonza5740]

I mean the first people to rebel against the Empire. Where our favourite Children-kidnappers. When Obi-wan and Yoda assault the Jedi Temple, that was pretty much the begginig of the War.

[@addiwatcher1573]

And or is gonna be beast

[@jerrymazzola6017]

What's the background music in the beginning of the video?

[@vbucci6894]

Wished starkiller was talked about in this video

[@nicholasmartin787]

Just a note because it frustrates me how messed up all the KZbin channels covering star wars are clearly confused about the way the clones were organised. The GAR was made up of 20 sector armies led by a high ranking jedi or possibly a member of the galactic senate (though I know of no times where this is the case, it is feasible and would make up the numbers), but usually a member of the jedi council. Each sector army comprised of roughly 25-30 clone legions or 250,000+ personnel, each made up of approximately 9216 clones plus jedi (master) general, plus clone and non-clone Republic support staff and non-clone republic command; say 10,000+ personnel. Each legion was made up of 4 battalions; during the clone wars the 501st was a battalion it did not become a legion until the empire, easy battalion was made up of approximately 2304 clones plus 1 jedi (knight) general and possibly but not always a jedi (apprentice) commander, each battalion was then split into 4 divisions of approximately 576 clones plus support staff. Each division was either split into two regiments of 288 or 4 companies of 144, which were then divided into squadrons of 36 and teams of 9. Teams were led by a corporal, lieutenant or staff sergeant. The staff sergeant leads the squadron with 2 lieutenants and a corporal (plus 8 sergeants and 24 privates), companies or regiments were led by captains, and the division led by a commander, battalions likely had a Marshall, hence the legion having a Marshall commander to assist the jedi (master) general. This is not how every legion or battalion was organised but it is the general organisation structure the GAR was based on with variations when and wherever required, as is the nature of war.

[@nicholasmartin787]

In addition to the above whenever "special task force" is used it is a good indication of variation. A task force can be any size it could be made up of multiple legions or even sector armies in extreme cases, or could be a group smaller that a team like clone force 99 (the bad batch) consisting of 4 men. Whereas anakin's special task force is a division/regiment/company, it may be fixed in size or could vary between, based on the animated show I would say it is either a company within the 501st battalion or referred to whoever was with him for a mission and would then vary, but Captain rex was clearly anakin's second after Ashoka so that indicates it was company to regiment size with appo leading the other half of the division. The 501st my have been a small battalion or a standard battalion made up of 2 large divisions, or at the end of the clone wars 2 of the battalion's divisions weren't mentioned they could have been the flight (naval) or support divisions. I hope this helps clear things up a little.

[@martincamacho2444]

I think there was always rebellion, but in Star Wars rebels it showed a more unified coordinated rebellion instead of individual cells or separate fighters only fighting for one cause or another or like saw Guerrera who didn’t trust and work with anyone but his own fighters

[@keigoftw]

The limits a movie's finite run time puts on world building & storytelling create the illusion that nothing happened for Luke's whole life up until a New Hope. This is slowly being obliterated with the runaway success of the console game Star Wars: Fallen Order & the fact that Kenobi was actually pretty good. Combined with the long awaited final season of Clone Wars allowing it's immediate sequel the Bad Batch to ride the zeitgeist of the fandom's fondest dream come true. But its still there

[@zacwilson6231]

I wanna know what became of the cloud riders, I know Enfys sold the coaxium to Saw and the Partisans but did they join them or what

[@bigliam1899]

Dark Lord's of the Sith best book

[@j.schmidt1752]

Mans just burped into the mic like nobody noticed 😅

[@cabinetdoorknob1311]

10:25 made me laugh

[@midniteraptor1474]

I feel like the separatists should have been included in this list. While I understand that Dooku, Grievous and the separatist council were technically the leaders and definitely not true rebels against tyranny, there were plenty of other separatists who fought the republic and who later resisted the empire, with a few even joining the rebelion. Even if the Confederacy as a whole wasn't considered, at least mention the little groups who fought the empire (I get that Onderon was kinda separatist, but they changed to republic so I'm not counting them)

[@ghostsstarwars1929]

Question what about earth vs Star Wars series will that come back

[@kunturkusilla1933]

where is generals ram kota army?

[@jedinexus2147]

So does that mean we're getting new Star Wars shows for all of these factions?

[@fridayparson]

please tell me the belch was in the script

[@inlovewithvienna1082]

10:25.... A Bark? Wtf?

[@bigcazza5260]

unlisted still?

[@cdnnorsedogdad5119]

I have to ask. What does your date refence "BBY" mean? I assume it is like "AD" for "Anno domini m°" or "Year of our Lord" in English. Now referred to as "CE" for Common Era" as we accept that most of the Planet are nor Christian.

[@mpm1125]

Before The Battle of Yavin- The first Star Wars movie made is used as a milestone to reference events, you are correct, such AD standing for In The Year of Our Lord.

[@zelot113]

Gr75

[@paulsager2097]

So, why isn't Lothal on this list, even as an honorable mention?

[@timoclark]

Satine Kries is pronounced 'crees', (rhymes with 'breeze').... not 'cries'.

[@chriswright7082]

Dude am I loosing my mind but did he burp during this video?

[@cbba73]

Random question does tarqin know Darth Vader is Anikin Skywalker?

[@donpietruk1517]

Tarkin is the only Imperial outside of the Emperor that actually knows. Remember Tarkin went on missions with Anakin during the Clone Wars and Anakin was the only Jedi he respected. I think that's why as Vader he defers to him in New Hope. Also Vader respects Tarkin because he's efficient and actually smart enough to cause Vader real problems. In the comics Vader has Tarkin run traps designed to capture him so he can prepare for unexpected situations.

[@-JA-]

👏👍

[@krovianclass8772]

Where CIS remnant?

[@pyeitme508]

Wow

[@joshuadamroth5303]

✌

[@superbeanz6947]

Any incompetent rebels ???

[@slaw2468]

Obviously

[@CaptRazer]

Who is this man, I fear without some kind of formal introduction I have no idea. :(

[@Pigen_]

Hold on... Year... 0 ???? What were the creators of this system smoking ?

[@sweetjanequilting3335]

before battle yavin is the before christ. BBY and BC are the same

[@Pigen_]

@@sweetjanequilting3335 yes but there is no year zero in our system.

[@Squiddy-go1du]

@@Pigen_ there is no year 0 in theirs either. We don’t know how the Star Wars year system works Star Wars years are measured by the battle of Yavin Episode 4/rouge one - O BBY episode 3 - 19 BBY Episode 6 - 4 ABY

[@Pigen_]

@@Squiddy-go1du yes and my point is that it should be then 1BBY before the battle, and 1ABY After the day of the battle

[@mikeysenpai6094]

what if bail organa wasnt on alderaan when it was destroyed would he become leader of the New Republic instead of mon moffma

[@morganbrasee5639]

The galactic civil war began when Padme appointed jar jar binks to the senate.... it was all downhill after that....

[@christhegamingdude3491]

Should have mentioned the separatists

[@ImInSpainWithoutTheS]

in my headcanon, the galactic civil war officially starts with the clone wars in 19 BBY but goes into ceasefire with the defeat of the jedi and separatists until the rebel factions start their skirmishes with the actual war restarting in 4 BBY

[@37Sith]

Can you really call it bby though? I mean no one knew there was going to be a battle of Yavin.... Having said that what was the TRUE Galactic year of events like the Lothal battle? Or Scariff? And don't say whatever bby cuz really that's not an option.

[@PikeBishop1]

Oh wow! Anyways.

[@kyuss89]

Whiplash!!

[@Seng_Eternal]

Kris like crease in your pants. Not Kris like Kristina Agulara

[@ChaseWright516]

The mispronunciation of so many names throughout these videos just bug me lol.

[@oler777]

I hate ryloth

[@cris_j]

The burp just tells me that Alan is really getting tired of doing this....

[@chriswright7082]

Lol I thought I was the only one to notice

[@colinafobe2152]

out of all star wars species Twileks are the most annoying

[@jasonbieber6037]

I like a lot of the fan analysis, but my god, some of the pronunciation is like nails on a chalkboard.

[@gmarshall1942]

Dude, take a little more pride in your work. The burp into the mic was gross. No one wants to hear that. Take the second of editing time to fix that kind of stuff. It really brings down the quality