First Fire of my Pontiac 400, now a 470! Pontiac Re-build, part 15

First Fire of Rev 2.0! It's been a long haul, and I'm nervous as hell! If you missed it, check out the engine tear down episode... the bearings were toast! • Pontiac 400 Block Tear...
In this episode, "First Fire of a Pontiac 400, now a 470! Pontiac Re-build part 15", Enjoy my excitement as it finally fires up, with a test drive and feedback of the Ultimate Headers low profile connectors, and new dual disc clutch from RAM Clutches.
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This channel is all about muscle car how to's and what to watch out for, when working on your own car. Also fresh off of installing a New TREMEC TKX from Silver Sport Transmissions, and a FiTech fuel injection system. Subscribe to watch more projects on this built, not bought, 1969 Pontiac GTO.
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Part's and/or supplies used in this video series;
AutoPlumb Mock Up templates; autoplumb.com/pages/mock-up-t...
AutoPlumb "Weld Less" water neck conversion kit;
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AutoPlumb Comination Size 20 AN Wrench autoplumb.com/products/an-com...
AutoPlumb, size 20 AN hose; autoplumb.com/collections/20-...
AeroFlow Non-Stick Cutting Tape; autoplumb.com/products/aerofl...
AeroFlow Large AN Vice Jaws autoplumb.com/products/large-...
Size 20 AN Hose Ends:
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Weld in AN Bungs;
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The -10 is www.summitracing.com/parts/ic...
Swag Offroad Portaband vice conversion;
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Here's the Top Radiator Hose video; • How to install an AN R...
Here's the latest Walk Around of the GTO, filmed by RestoMods.com • A Walk Around of my "B...
Playlists of interest;
Hydraulic Clutch and Tremec TKO/TKX install;
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FiTech Fuel Injection Install;
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Here's the original Hydraulic Roller Lifter Fail Inspection, and process:
• Something is still WRO...
Here's the Official Part 1, where Mike starts the preparation of Engine removal
• Pontiac V8 Camshaft Re...
Here's the start of the TREMEC installation, • How to install a Wilwo...
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[@FastMonty]

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[@Rick-O-Shay60]

YES!... (LOL) That initial key turn is such a Rush! for sure get some mechanical gauges to monitor them vitals. Glad to see it all coming together well for ya Mike.

[@FastMonty]

Ha, ha... yeah... I was a stress case. Definitely need mechanical gauges. Sounds like a new series I'll have to film. Thanks Rickey!

[@gregschultz2029]

Got back from the Woodward Cruise a few days ago,Never been to one ,Put it on your Bucket List ,Way Fun Time !!

[@FastMonty]

Good to know! Thanks Greg... will definitely look into it.

[@vannjunkin8041]

Much further than I've ever been.. sounds good

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Vann! You'll get there... keep the faith!

[@ryandoe9278]

I remember my first drive my temp hit 215-220. I kept checking with my infrared gun and it was 180’s. Just air pockets. Eventually went away. I like the air suction noise.

[@FastMonty]

Good point Ryan... might be air pockets. Will continue playing around with it. I've been leaning towards Mechanical gauges, so, we'll see! Thanks again.

[@michaelclarke9488]

Right on, man! Glad to see you getting things dialed back in! Good stuff!!

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Michael! Yeah, been missing driving to shows... got one next week! Thanks for the comment!

[@SidewaysTA]

Awesome Mike, glad to see she's back!

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Brother! Me too!

[@firebird70]

Great work Monty, well done. Good video & editing work too ! Exciting few projects ahead, keep’on posting

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Brother! Yeah, glad it's running... more fun projects (and car shows) to come. Thanks again!

[@billmiller5075]

Great work Mike

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Bill!

[@bda2672]

Congrats on getting her up and running again! I always enjoy your videos and candidness.

[@FastMonty]

Thanks! Great to hear... trying to keep it real.

[@ReddoggArmA1]

Hey Mike nice videos got two Firebirds 68 coupe 69 convertible. I found your channel and your escapades got the fire burning to get them back on road been stored since 97. Got the 68 almost done New brake lines, master cyl ,wheel cylinders flushed system going with dot 5 fluid this time, new fuel tank , lines, pump ,sending unit, rebuilt Carb. I'm 67 with bad ticker so have to work slow. Its all good They are both all stock so not much drama . I did replace Distributor with HEI and drill primed oil system with the Butler oil priming shaft but I did remove the black coating it was flaking off didn't want that in engine . little paint work 68 will be good to go. Bought it in 76 great running car, 69 got it in 94 had it 1 week caught on fire in my Garage at 3am it was literal firebird fought the fire with garden hose in my whitey tighties lol ( was electrical fire at old add on Amp meter no fuse) just burned interior took about yr to find parts and repair it . sorry for the long post and thanks for the videos Sincerely Michael

[@FastMonty]

What a great story! Thanks for sharing... Glad to hear I was able to motivate someone to get their cars back on the road... Welcome to the family!

[@RestorationObsession]

Nice!!!! Looks and sounds so good!

[@FastMonty]

Thanks! Feels good too! ha, ha...

[@RestorationObsession]

@@FastMonty Haha I bet!!! :)

[@brianmartin1133]

Glad it went OK love to see it back on the road Mine is still waiting for parts however it is getting a Butler 461 Kit they were able to scrounge a kit together for me should be here next week love the Shirt

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Brian! Exciting times for you... take your time, and can't wait to see you on the road!

[@fastkelly2602]

Glad for you Mike!😃 hoping it run good for at least for 3 years or 36,000 miles😝! Great Job!

[@FastMonty]

Bahahahahaaa Hilarious! I totally agree... it better get at least 36k. Thanks!

[@paulcaruthers9647]

Sounding good! I was nervous seeing it was only a 11 min. video, glad everything is right.

[@FastMonty]

Ha! Thanks Paul... yeah, I was even more nervous going into it.

[@65chevelleboys91]

That has to be one of the ugliest feeling when we fire em up for the first time great video Mike

[@FastMonty]

Ha! Totally agreed. I was a nervous wreck the entire week I was prepping. Thanks for the comment!

[@jeffmcdonald918]

Nice job, Mike. I can't wait to fire mine again. It's been almost 30 years since it last ran. I'm in San Diego too, hope to run into you sometime at a show!

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Jeff! Yeah, that would be awesome... get that thing fired!

[@dragonverse2233]

the car is a beast and I am hoping to get one once i get some money also cool shirt

[@FastMonty]

Thanks! and, thanks! Ha, ha...

[@stevenb3027]

Great job again! lets hope it lasts you a bit i am building mine now but have a way before the live fire but i always hate the first couple of cranks till it runs.. if you see a nice 65 maybe you could put it in your film also

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Steven! It better last, or a divorce might be coming. ha, ha.... yeah, I'll keep my eyes pealed for a 65, or anything nice. :)

[@puddleduckist]

Glad you got er going again, sounds great. My dads 67 lemans had a butler 474 in it, they build the best pontiacs ib my opinion. Have fun rippin it up, I'm still working on my 69 gto. I have the fuel tank out and pump out currently. I tested my robbmc pickup and it tested ok, tested my fuel gauge and it works so hoping something was just sticking causing fuel level not working right. Next front end rebuild and front tubular control arms and qa1 coilovers. Considering a set of edelbrock heads in the future, i have head studs currently and wondering if i can pull the heads in the car with the studs. Love your car!!

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Bane! Glad you're making progress on your build. Can't wait to see it!

[@robertspadaro4329]

Hope your coolant temp woes get resolved! There has to be something going on where you won't need to get a 160 degree stat; all that will do is just delay the same problem. Also, don't fuel injection systems recommend 180 degree stats? Maybe I'm thinking of multiport fuel injection systems rather than throttle body. As already suggested, it could just be a matter of reading inconsistencies with the Fitech sending unit. Hit your engine with that IR gun to see what's really going on there! Otherwise, air pockets - I'll let my 79' Trans Am with a 400 idle with the rad cap off for a good hour before I feel confident that it's bled, and even then, the recovery bottle level will still drop consistently after a few drives until eventually balancing out. These old V8's trap air in the cooling jackets like nobody's business. Did you have any manipulating to do to your divider plate? I just got in my 11-bolt Flowkooler today with a new divider plate from them, and the clearance without gasket was around .045, and the gasket added another .030. I tried to bend it, but got too aggressive and ended up mangling the divider plate and so I got another from Butler coming. Hopefully it won't need any manipulating. Any suggestions on how to gently hammer down that divider plate, or should I just not even bother? .075 is under the recommended maximum of .100, but I'd like to get it a little tighter than that if I can, but if I'm just gonna keep messing up these divider plates, maybe it won't be worth splitting hairs so much. Also, what kind of radiator did you get? The best ones I've heard are the fat two rows (1.25"+ width tubes) like Griffin, Cold Case, Be Cool, etc. rather than the 3 or 4 cores with the smaller width tubes. Maybe you just don't have enough rad for your build? If your cooling system is up to spec, then you're looking at tuning problems. Maybe your idle mixture is too lean, or the ignition timing needs more advance... Cooling woes are annoying, and are common with these Pontiac motors. Hope it gets sorted out!

[@FastMonty]

Good stuff Robert. I've determined that I need to get Mechanical Gauges... ha, ha... using my IR gun, the FiTech reading is 15 degrees high, and my stock gauge is 15 degrees low. A Mechanical gauge should be juuuussst right. Like GoldiLocks. lol Bummer about your go at modifying the FlowKooler plate, which is really good to begin with. The Butler plate is also really good, out of the box. So, I wouldn't bother modifying it. I got a BeCool radiator set up with dual electric fans. All is good in cooling land. Thanks for the awesome comment!

[@tanner8288]

Can't wait for my first fire again

[@FastMonty]

Yeah, the struggle is real... git er dun! I'm sure it'll be great! See ya!

[@tanner8288]

So did you switch out the thermostat ? I found my engine ran better with the 160

[@FastMonty]

@@tanner8288 Actually yes, my 160 runs better. I also had some bad readings for temp, which I'll cover in a couple weeks. I'm basically going to put in Mechanical Gauges to get true readings. Water Temp, Oil Pressure, and Fuel Pressure.

[@davidcuevas788]

I had a 180 stat on my trans am and it was reading in the 200s replaced it with a 160 A/C delco and now it reads within 5 degrees of my fitech temp reading

[@FastMonty]

Thanks David, definitely need to explore that issue some more. Thanks for the comment!

[@dicksono85]

First View! Nice work Mike! Hope all is well

[@FastMonty]

Thanks! Yeah, just livin the dream... ha, ha... hope you're doing well too!

[@johnkennedy8452]

Hey Mike , not sure if you wanted to raise your exhaust after buying your after market cross member but i was watching a video that came on after watching your last video that was from Detroit Muscle , the video is about putting a 1000 hp motor into a mercury grand marque . I know right. But anyway they cut the original cross member and welded two pieces of angle together and then welded that to the cross member. To get the height they needed they used a piece of cardboard as a gauge between the floor and the angle. Check out the video it's pretty interesting. Anyway after I watched it , I thought of your situation . might be more clearance for you . And it could always be another video for you.😀

[@FastMonty]

Ha, ha... I'm as high as I can go, without fully cutting the entire tunnel, from FireWall to rearend. Hence my comment, I don't want to touch it. Thanks for the comment, and the video tip!

[@johnkennedy8452]

@@FastMonty 👍

[@johnkennedy8452]

@@FastMonty your as high as you can go!!! Sounds like a comment from"Dased and Confused" from the kid in the back seat , I think his name was Schrader.😁😁✌

[@FastMonty]

@@johnkennedy8452 Always... Check ya later! Why you always saying that? Check ya later, check ya later... baahahahhaaaaa

[@johnkennedy8452]

@@FastMonty Check ya later . Hum , I do like um red ! Bahahaja

[@johnmilner7603]

Chevy guys prime clockwise. I always use AC Delco 180* stats and have never had a problem. Today’s GM stats are junk but I have Delco’s from my Dad’s stash from the 70’s. I mix 50 % Prestone Antifreeze with 50% Demineralized water from the grocery store. When I drain it and change it, I always drain the block. I’d love to get a Wagner PCV but with the exchange rate from Canadian to US Dollar, it’s way too much $.

[@FastMonty]

Thanks John! Yeah, that Wagner PCV valve is worth it. Good tip on the Stat's... See ya next week!

[@dasmiths69]

That’s great. Mike, glad to see her on the road again! On first start, is there a cam break-in period where the RPMs need to be higher, for a certain amount of time?

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Troy! That's true for Flat Tappet lifters, ie 2000 rpm for 30min? Or, something like that. I have a Roller Cam, so break in is not necessary. :) Thanks for tuning in!

[@dasmiths69]

@@FastMonty ooh ok yes I guess that makes sense! Thanks for clarifying, I knew there had to be a reason, you’ve gone into so much detail I knew it was probably something like that. Cant wait to see how it does once it’s dialed in....I’ll bet she’s mean!

[@FastMonty]

@@dasmiths69 Ha! no problem... yeah, mean and green baby! See you next week!

[@R0yL33]

Congrats getting back on the road. 1. Why didn't it fire right up? Did something in the Fitech get reset or ..? 2. The small passage between the intake's water x-over and back of the timing chain cover/water pump ensures water is always circulating, even with the thermostat closed. Your new thermostat would include the rad in that loop. Am I missing something?

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Roy! 1) I have no idea... maybe an air pocket in the fuel lines? I noticed later that I have to fully Key off, before trying to crank again, as there's a little squirt of fuel when you go to crank. If you just crank, it doesn't give that little pump. Secondly, After changing the crank fuel setting, it starts much better, as you saw. I'm still learning the idiosyncrasies of the FiTech unit. 2) Agreed. That's why I was hinting at that I don't think I like the Thermostat to be constantly flowing. Anyway, lot's to research there. Thanks, as usual!

[@tyrellwilliams3814]

🎉🎉🎉

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Tyrell!

[@randyturner6111]

What’s with the FiTech throttle body and independent fuel rails? What type of setup is this? I just returned the exact master kit you installed back to Summit because of nothing but problems. Two new ECUs installed and they both failed within a hundred miles or so. Is your FiTech holding up? PS if you’re FiTech sponsored, just don’t even answer.

[@FastMonty]

Sorry to hear about your tough luck... my unit is still working great. Why the fuel rails? Because at some point I'm going to convert to port injection. Before that happens, I'm going to try talking FiTech into dynoing my current set up, switch over to Port Injection, and dyno again. Hopefully you'll be able to find a system that works, no matter what you go with, I'm extremely happy that I don't have a carburetor anymore. Good luck, and thanks for the update, let us know what you end up with. Thanks!

[@randyturner6111]

@@FastMonty I put my Holley carb setup back on. If I’m honest with myself, there was absolutely nothing wrong with it I just wanted to try and get fancy high tech and MAYBE a little bit more fuel mileage. It has an electric choke that is configured perfectly and handles cold starts just as well as the FiTech did. Glad yours is holding up. I should also note that I legitimately daily drive mine. Everywhere. All kinds of traffic and distances. Truly daily drive, not just cars and coffee. Maybe the Fitech just isn’t built for that. 🤷‍♂️

[@FastMonty]

@@randyturner6111 Wow, daily driving is an awesome test. As, I don't drive mine daily. But, when I do, it's for 200 miles almost every time. At least the fuel mileage has helped out... "IF" I'm tame, I can get almost 12 MPG's LOL. Glad you're enjoying your ride!

[@williamklein1221]

The temp senders that Fitech sends with the kits are notorious for being inaccurate. Replace it with a real GM part and see the difference.

[@FastMonty]

Ahhh, good point. I'll definitely play around with it... I'm leaning towards getting mechanical gauges, for sanity sake. Thanks !

[@BlackThorne1987]

@@FastMonty also the fitech enables you to calibrate the cts, you might wanna do that as well

[@FastMonty]

@@BlackThorne1987 Yeah, I know the old handheld temp is scalable. The new one is not, yet. Thanks!

[@BlackThorne1987]

@@FastMonty oh good point, didn’t know that since I only have the old one haha 😊

[@JohnDoe-oq8tb]

Do you know of a good Pontiac engine builder in California? Or Machine shop?

[@FastMonty]

Depends what part of CA? In San Diego, JBA is really good. That's all I'm aware of.

[@JohnDoe-oq8tb]

In Temecula so JBA is close enough, thanks!

[@FastMonty]

@@JohnDoe-oq8tb Great! Their main engine builder is a Pontiac guy, also named John. Good luck!

[@brandonknight7240]

If it wasn't real 1st fire u fooled me

[@FastMonty]

As real as it gets! Here's why it wouldn't fire quickly... kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnOpfKiNr9Rsg8U Which I didn't figure out for a few months later... Thanks!

[@omgbbqcia911]

huh i thought you spent all that money on EFI because it would start so much faster than the carb setup would whoops 🤣🤣🤣

[@FastMonty]

I had it wired wrong, which I cover in a later video. I guarantee it starts faster than your car. ha, ha.