First Flight With Our New Engine Cirrus SR20 Didn't Go as Planned...

[@oldeyeball]

The correct choice was made. Good for you for turning around.

[@brimopm]

Having flown for over 40yrs, plus over 30 at an airline, you gents show remarkably good judgment in an era of instant gratification. Well played! I live in the valley too and won't fly till it cools off.

[@robertfpjr]

It looks like you boys just received a valuable lesson on “gethereitis”. Never let your expectations/desires override safety concerns. An unexpected round trip beats a rescue mission any day. Good call guys.

[@CharlieLamdin]

It's so much more impressive when pilot's have the skills and knowledge to know when to call no-go, than inexperienced rookies (like me!) who push it sometimes. Good call.

[@JRGarage]

SR20 is back in business 🔥

[@mattmcreadie244]

Do you have your license JR?

[@davidgilpin5200]

Owen's face looks like "Get me out of this plane so I can take a shower to wash this Cirrus-funk off."

[@jimwapelhorst3328]

After a Lancair homebuilt I went to a S-35 Bonanza V-Tail and never looked back- spectacular airplane!

[@lindawilkins6075]

You guys should keep that plane to get your PPL and instrument rating in. Then sell it.

[@JakesAviation]

Awesome video! Great decision making on this flight. Showing first hand how not everything goes as planned and it’s great to have that back up plan or be able to adapt and change plans accordingly. It’s always great to see videos like this showing that it’s okay to change plans in favour of safety.

[@conservativeokie]

Owen seems like one cool customer! Young guy with smooth piloting skills!👍🏼

[@alcameron6071]

The best part of this flight to me was when Owen was going over the landing checklist and said, gear down, I hope. And everybody lower their head and shook their heads and rolled her eyes, obviously the Sirius is not Owen’s first choice for airplanes, lol

[@kubtastic]

The difference between density altitude and elevation tends to be pretty similar across an area (experiencing the same weather). For example, your 99F takeoff might've had a DA of 4,100 ft, meaning a difference of 3,000 ft, so expect every airport nearby to have a DA that is 3,000 ft above the field elevation. In this case, the AWOS reporting 7,900 ft DA was ~2,800 ft above field elevation. For a wag, the correction from pressure altitude to density altitude is 120 times the deviation from ISA in C. Lastly, the Cirrus might even display DA.

[@codyjohnson3756]

Great decision on going back. I fly SR20s in Duluth Minnesota where i think the highest density altitude i’ve seen here is 4,500’. Looking at the poh for a gen 3 sr20, above 7,000’ density altitude and over 30°C they don’t even have landing distance available because they don’t recommend it. Great call.

[@JRAviation]

Wow, this was nearly double your 4,500 ft density altitude! I’m happy we turned around. Thanks for the comment!

[@CitizenCop]

Hey shout out to Duluth! I fly out of Superior in a Cessna 172. I don't know anything about SR20's, but I know 7900 would be crazy on my own let alone with 3 adults and fuel on board!

[@codyjohnson3756]

@@CitizenCop do you rent or do you own? I have quite a few hours in Superior Flying Services 172s and 152 before they sold it.

[@CitizenCop]

@@codyjohnson3756 I rent JX and DV! Never had any time in the 152 though.

[@codyjohnson3756]

@@CitizenCop the 152 was a beast. Had a 180hp engine in it which felt like a rocket. Have you had a chance to go up in 4BG yet? the avionics are great.

[@radioace318la]

the forehead slap was awesome. gave me a belly laugh. go ahead, laugh at me checking wheels up & wheels down. even in a fixed gear. It's what I do. Great flight, a great decision too guys! Cheers from Louisiana.

[@JRAviation]

Indeed! I just thought it was funny the way he said it 😂 Always good to be sure though!

[@farmgene]

Khum pilot here!

[@rmcc655]

Owen literally carrying this channel

[@meese1k]

agreed these guys need to get their license instead of spending money and time on working and buying planes

[@alcameron6071]

@@meese1k and let’s not forget, Owen is two years younger than both these guys. These guys need to stop playing with their supercars and go get their damn license, lol

[@Phx737swa]

I teach in 172s arrows and seminoles because they are very forgiving that’s the best way to go rather than a high performance right out of the gate. I fly a Mooney 231 around and even that was a big jump up managing turbo temps alone so something less complex is way easier to get a ppl in.

[@mouser485]

Finally, someone talking some sense. They should start out in something more docile like a C172. However, young guys that own ferraris and lambos just aren’t going to see it that way.

[@lostmajesty]

Especially when you hit full power on a go around, you better be damn sure to have your right foot on that rudder and get that nose down or you’ll easily crash

[@johanndork5364]

Nice diner at Scottsdale too. At least there was some decades back.😅

[@jrod_pilot_miami]

Had to make that midair no-go decision a couple weeks ago for weather. Like Owen said, not ashamed at all turning back around. Gotta live to fly another day.

[@casperjrlive4519]

Great call to turnaround

[@douglascloud4484]

I would not even hesitate on scrubbing that flight good call Owen

[@ronyoung3623]

Great call

[@billcarrier9622]

I concur with your decision to return to Scottsdale. It's always better to error on the side of safety.

[@seaneubanks1766]

Good call. Love the videos from a future pilot. Safe travels.

[@823Steve]

Turning back was very prudent decision.

[@farmgene]

Wonderful video! Excellent call with density altitude!

[@ThatBobGuy850]

Great video! Better to discover the departure airport DA might be too high *prior* to landing there. Good call. (Nice Aero Commander 100 Darter on the ramp there at Glendale, BTW. That's sure a blast from the past.)

[@markeggert9045]

I always play it safe. You made the 100% correct decision.

[@240greyhawke]

Guys. Keep the Cirrus. The bonanza is a very cool plane to fly, but with a single yoke, it is definitely not suited for learning how to fly, and getting your PPL. Get your PPL in the Cirrus , Then go ahead and sell it if you like and keep the Bonanza.

[@williamrmcintosh4343]

You are the man, Brandon! If I had invested the money in the Cirrus that these guys did, I would pay Owen to fly me to Wichita, then live in a cheap motel until I got my license. THEN go for the BO AFTER some time in a Cutlass. But I see an SF 50 in their future! Anyway, fun video! Thanks, guys!

[@davidallyn1818]

Way to make the right decision! Keep that decision chain in the right direction!

[@stevestumbaugh]

Owen doing anything to get out of the Cirrus as soon as possible. Conditions are to bad, lets go home asap.

[@nomadmarine0331]

Good call guys

[@Newberntrains]

Did the flight in xplane and can say you made the right call

[@sixtiethofasecond]

Owen - you 'da Man Dude

[@berniefritts1572]

Definitely turn back like you guys did. I have scrubbed a flight recently because I was not feeling 100%. Ended up sick later that day. I would have been in the air and sick.

[@flywiththeguys]

You guys are in AZ? I've seen your videos in the past, but never put together you guys fly out of Scottsdale, even though I watched you land the Bonanza there... The closure is making DVT a mess! 😂 I've never heard "caution wake turbulence" so much.

[@zenvairpilot]

good call. I've made the opposite decision and almost couldn't climb out at Prescott, and that is a much longer runway than Payson.

[@JRAviation]

Yikes, that’s never fun! Good thing we didn’t push it, Payson is higher and and shorter like you said.

[@collinreesejones5525]

ALWAYS the safe decision is the right one!!!! 😇

[@John_spartan]

👍🏼good choice to turn around , looking forward to next vlog.. I hope to see you two guys with your certificate in your hand someday 😉 ✈️ ..

[@jakesimpson6365]

Gotta say this is one of my favorite channels, I look forward to every video. Just curious, how is your progress on the PPLs? I'll also be in Tucson AZ in October/November for some USAF training. I'd love to drive up and meet with you guys, I could take some photos and we could possibly fly? 200+hr PPL. Good luck on the rest of your training guys, and keep the vids coming!!

[@JRAviation]

Thanks, we were progressing through ground school nicely at the end of 2020, but after the accident, we put some of that on hold and slowed up. We have to get back in our rhythm, knock out ground school, then get up in the air with one of our planes. Shoot us a message @jravaition1 on insta and maybe we can meet up!

[@jakesimpson6365]

@@JRAviation Awesome, well keep up the good work guys! I'll definitely shoot you a DM

[@minnesnowtan9970]

Do you think that SR-20 being designed in north MinneSNOWta is a factor of it being bad in the heat?

[@Connor_Herman]

For sale on Controller for 200K if anyone was wondering. Randomly happened across it and realized the tail numbers matched up. Pretty good price if you're in the market for one.

[@johnaramirez1816]

Owen 21 on G4!😳 Wow! 🤩

[@drmoleno]

Wonder if Owen even took the pin out of the CAPS, looked covered entire time lol

[@23aviatorguy]

You guys should use that Cirrus to get your PPL and Instrument Rating before you sale it. Plus, your your insurance Premiums will be much lower after you are instrument rated. It seems like you almost need a turbocharged airplane flying in high density altitude areas.

[@JRAviation]

That is a good point

[@billfarnham1592]

ABSOLUTELY turn around! DA KILLS!

[@michaelkoury6097]

Exactly why I'm not a fan of Cirrus. In a lot of cases I feel they are overrated. If I had been in that situation in my '69 Piper Cherokee 160, wouldn't have even been an issue. I have taken off at max weight in high density altitude conditions, and while I would never boast a great climb rate, runway length has never been an issue. That being said, there are things that Cirruses do well... taking off in short distances is not one of them.

[@JRAviation]

Interesting, never been in a Cherokee. SR20 struggles when super hot and high. Normal weather it is just fine though!

[@michaelkoury6097]

@@JRAviation You guys ever want a ride in one, I'm very close by in A20, south of Laughlin.

[@aviatortrevor]

Good decision - but bad preflight homework.

[@ArtorMachine]

Super work!

[@michaelcrawford4756]

F33 pilot here. Love it!

[@jamesshaw194]

Safety is paramount, go back to the home base airport (if sufficient fuel remains.). Don’t fear changing your plan if aircraft performance factors are impacted by weather (temperature) elements.

[@johnflaherty9595]

OK, calling a no-go is good if you're not comfortable, yet I'm somewhat perplexed. I heard plenty about density altitude issues in tech school; mostly B-52s can't take in the South when it's too hot; they don't want the Bufs over-running the runway because of being too heavy for the heat. Yet you're obviously airborne and appear to be well above the ground. Is this an issue wherein it's too hot to allow for climbing quickly enough to get over upcoming terrain? Is it a matter of being too heavy to take off safely from a destination airfield? I think I'm missing something here. .... Ah, ..helps to get to the end of the video. So there WAS a concern about a safe takeoff at the intended destination. Too bad.

[@MikeM-lh4be]

Hi guys, who did you have polish the windows? My SR20 is based at Deer Valley

[@ka-bar5060]

Owen is the real MVP.

[@faustp23]

Hey guy's looking forward to the interior drop!!! Hey what's the update whith the Sun Flyer???

[@44hawk28]

A bottle of fr3 in the oil will make that engine far more resistant to heat. It will run cooler and with less parasitic drag and give you a reasonable percentage of increased horsepower for a 25.00 bottle of oil additive. ZMAX conditioner for the metals inside the engine will also increase your heat dispersion rates and that was originally designed for aircraft engines. I am thoroughly surprised, and a little bit shocked, that if you guys are so much into engines on automobiles which are basically as close to Aerospace engines as they have ever been, that you guys don't know anything about this. Maybe you just haven't been around long enough to absorb some of these old tricks that we use to make sure that engines last longer. But I've only been working on mechanical accoutrements since 1964.

[@billtaglia2865]

I’ve said it before, hose planes are 4 seaters. You need Sasha back there.

[@BenSieweke]

Use the plane to get your PPL. Then sell. No point in having an aviation KZbin channel if you need to rent a pilot friend every time you want to make a video or get up in the air.

[@Kenriko]

Wait they don't even have a PPL? that's ridiculous.

[@fledermau98]

@@Kenriko They bought the plane to get their PPL then ran into problems. They should keep the SR20 and get their PPL as it's a lot cheaper to operate than the A33.

[@jaminthomas]

@@fledermau98 And it will even be more cost effective if they continue to get more ratings after the PPL - instrument, commercial and the instructor ratings if they want to instruct. They will definitely see most bang for the buck up to commercial though.

[@robertottwell605]

I have watched a few of their videos Owen flys them around. Theses guys are flippers not aviators.

[@moseskelly2886]

Jeffrey and Christian I have to admit I do love the Cirrus SR-20 it's really nice although if I had to decide between the Cirrus SR-20 and the Bonanza F-33A. It would be kind of hard but I'd choose the Bonanza. It's bittersweet that the Cirrus SR-20 may get taken by a new owner, however if that's the case I know they will enjoy it. I have to admit the SR-22 is an amazing aircraft. I was curious why someone wouldn't be so interested in a Cirrus? I would say my answer to the question "Would you have gone or turned around?" I would have loved to have gone, however I want to do the best/safe decision which in that case I'd turn around. I wish there could be a way to make the SR-20 capable of flying in heat like you all were flying in.

[@JRAviation]

Definitely a hard choice between the bonanza and the Cirrus, both are great airplanes. Bonanza is definitely more suited for high elevation flying!

[@moseskelly2886]

@@JRAviation Yeah most definitely 💯 that's not an easy decision. The Bonanza is for sure more focused on high elevation flying. It would be amazing if we all could meet in person sometime.

[@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891]

The Bonanza is not at all a beginner airplane. No way. Take the Cirrus for flight training or sell it and get a Piper Archer with strong attitudes to learn to fly. The Piper is really nice low wing performer. Make your PPL and built up hours for a few years , then go for the Bonanza with hours and a solid IFR rating, that is a have must to a Bonanza.

[@tonygasperson4952]

Did you make video the entire engine getting put in?

[@PrezFTW]

Even if they wanted to keep the Cirrus, the peer pressure of making Owen happy is gonna make them want to sell it. 😂

[@dansflying629]

How much do you pay Owen for this stuff?

[@randc47]

Can’t wait for KSDL to reopen!

[@donc9751]

What is it about the Cirrus Owen does not like??

[@skylersmith9363]

What is Owens KZbin channel ?

[@NighthawkCarbine]

Old vs Bold...I would have turned around also.

[@TmanUtube]

Well this is disappointing to hear you're sell the Cirrus. My reason for being here. Lol. Good luck with the sale guys.

[@JRAviation]

Not sold yet, we may keep it for a while!

[@vincentbarnes7839]

Does that plane have a parachute

[@olliewilliams8925]

Does Owen have a channel???

[@JRAviation]

Not yet, we’re trying to convince him to start one!

[@olliewilliams8925]

@@JRAviation Did something happen to his instagram?

[@flyboybobio3431]

Owen can call it “Gulfstream Dickhead”. Lol

[@olliewilliams8925]

@@flyboybobio3431 huh?

[@AlphaSiX]

Center line .. center line.. Owen..

[@philippallaareskoug5936]

Nice video

[@ElCapitan8]

I don’t fully understand why you couldn’t land in Payson!? It was too hot to land?

[@JRAviation]

We could’ve landed just fine, but taking off would be a problem. Density altitude near 9000 feet is a no go for a serious SR 20 with three people in fuel. May not have enough power to takeoff or climb out of there.

[@ElCapitan8]

@@JRAviation gotcha!!!! Make sense now lol thanks fellas 🤙🏽

[@fredyfudpucker935]

Superior pilots use superior judgment to avoid situations that might require superior skill.

[@andrewcash3273]

yes going back is better then being a red stain on the ground

[@skycop56]

Maybe an RV10?

[@chawkinz]

Flew...

[@kylevon]

Great decision making with that density altitude

[@chawkinz]

Fley these things at GYR. IMO, inferior to F33.

[@JCON631]

CENTERLINE!!!! ;-)

[@Captndarty]

If I crunched the numbers and was within the limitations I would’ve definitely landed in Payson….

[@scottmiller4711]

The Cirrus would be a much better plane to get your flight instruction completed...

[@jimgallagher3185]

Where does your money come from?

[@wilzboyz]

20 climbs like a dog. 22 much better, & much more R rudder.

[@papalilburn]

Absolutely err on the side of caution! Good job of planning your flight from a safety standpoint!

[@robertneumann7782]

Good call get there ites has killed more than anything all good

[@dieselyeti]

How does a 22 year old kid get a seat in a GIV?

[@JRAviation]

Hard work and networking!

[@scottdb]

The bigger question is: Who with a GIV gives a seat to a 22 year old kid?

[@REBooner30]

Easy call to scrub. I have a decent amount of time in a G1 SR20 and it's an absolute turd in the heat.

[@JRAviation]

Definitely does not like the heat!

[@mikeabc5355]

Their must be a reason why nature did not crate any low wing birds.😊

[@btrangbang]

just realized the romantic tail number: 143 romeo and juliet

[@Николай-с7ч2ы]

Тоже охото такой, да денег нет!

[@1shARyn3]

8000' DA on a 5500' rwy --- EZY PZY

[@everydaybladesinc]

You guys live in the desert and bought a plane that doesn’t like the heat? Lol

[@bobbaker1998]

Discretion is the better part of valor.

[@bubbacrabb]

You guys should bring your girlfriend's on the channel. That's the only thing I miss about Phoenix. The pretty girls.

[@formula1junkie550]

Wow u guys went from driving streetcars to Formula 1 card at SPA be careful please

[@flynomo]

sell it

[@wrdominicas]

you guys need to be pilots lol at lease one of you..

[@JRAviation]

Working on it. Slowly but surely. Learning more every day!

[@markjon229]

3 view and 3 like 👍

[@flyboybobio3431]

Owen must be a Gulfstream pilot judging from his hat. Get off your high horse. Most pilots would love to fly a Cirrus let alone own one. Just saying.

[@FromSagansStardust]

No, most of us would not.

[@dustin8053]

5000 feet just long enough for a SR20 LOLOLOL sell that gutless POS and keep the bonanza.