First Hearing Live. The Bryan Kohberger Probable Cause Affidavit Breakdown | Lawyer Reacts

[@kristinlindseyyoung902]

To the person who asked the question about criminology: I have my degree in criminal Justice and criminology, and no, things are not held back during those courses. We go into crimes like this with a fine tooth comb to understand aspects of crime. We had extensive lessons on death penalty, crime deterrent, how people commit crimes, and how criminology plays a role in apprehending suspects. But, it doesn’t really teach people how to crime better, especially in these cases, because what you learn, essentially, is there’s absolutely no way to leave no trace, especially in this modern era and especially with brutally violent crimes and especially when a victim has the ability to and does fight back. Criminology is also about a lot more than just how people commit crimes and how you catch them. You tend to focus on areas of criminology when you study and a lot of it can be philosophical. Such as: what is justice? What does it mean? Why is it important? What are the different philosophies of different justice systems? What works and what doesn’t to create a “utopia” of no crime. Why do people commit crimes? What does and doesn’t deter crime. Etc. etc. The fact of the matter is that people aren’t teaching these courses thinking someone in the room is trying to learn how to crime better, they’re teaching these courses with the understanding that the people in the room have a genuine interest in criminology and criminal Justice and helping people understand what that means. Hope that helps ☺️

[@SM-yd8hq]

That is interesting, thanks for explaining

[@tracyparker550]

Thanks for helping.

[@kaitlin_uding]

Also have this educational background and can verify that this is all true. Also- Kristin, can we please be friends on IG because you seem really cool 😎

[@brendacroteau]

Beautifully said!

[@courtneyfrost915]

Great comment, thank you for your explanation. I have not yet reached the part where you have responded to a question, but your comment is well placed, and understood, even without context.

[@nymom8204]

Dear Emily, I’m unsure who asked for you to go over to someone else’s stream (doesn’t matter) but I want to thank you so much for doing your own thing. I am subscribed to a dozen legal/crime channels. You are far and beyond THE BEST! You are appreciated by thousands of law nerds. Thank you for your fair and “unsensationalized” approach. You are sensitive to your fans as well as the victims. Upon further review, 41:10, I was wrong, they asked her to backup to watch law&crime’s coverage of the PCA. still rude in my opinion, we watch Emily for her analysis which is always fair, intelligent and factual. Facts not F***ery. I apologize for my error. But I stand by my statement that Emily is the best at breaking down the cases and that is why we keep coming back.

[@daniellemartin9896]

Yeah that comment was clearly from someone who isn't a regular here.

[@lindsayschilling8707]

Yes, Emily is the best!

[@jenniewren9351]

I think Emily stood by her guns, but was very gracious.

[@cre448]

They asked her to do that?? Whaaatt! How rude. Must've missed it does anyone have a timestamp? Thanks I'm advance if you're able to respond to me 🙏 😊

[@Stephie796]

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[@cierragayler]

I’ll give credit where credit is due,the police did their work thank god on this. They kept it tight because they want to see justice for the victims.

[@MyPumpkinSpicedChaos]

I know probably a lot of us who watch way too much true crime content see the roommate as terrible for not calling immediately, however we tend to forget that not everyone thinks it's automatically something bad when something happens. These are all college students in a room mate situation. If you opened your door abs saw a stranger, you wouldn't think "bad" necessarily, you would probably think "roomy brought home a guy friend"... especially after a party. A dude with a face mask and hat just looks like a dude who wants to keep covid free, not ski mask murderer. The roomy said what she heard sounded like they were playing with the dog. She cries, maybe the guy is breaking up with her. There are a thousand different reasons why it wouldn't necessarily be a bad scenario, and only that one that makes it tragic. Those survivors are gonna go through hell in their own guilt, we don't need to pile any more on that. Leave the room mates alone.

[@Lollipop_Lexi]

Totally. Most of us think that innocent things are occurring, often even when they are not. This stuff isn’t in our sphere of reference.

[@darkwitnesslxx]

Then why did she say she was frozen in fear?

[@itsjustmet1743]

@@darkwitnesslxx she didn’t expect to see a guy, they didn’t say she was frozen in fear. They didnt say she saw blood or a knife. I get startled by my family when I am not expecting them/ hear them in some area of the house and am known to give out a little scream even though I’m 60, but I’ve always done that my whole life. But when you are a female and very young, in a college house, where often strangers that are men come in, mostly prob thinking about keeping yourself safe from the R word and not the M word. So her response to a stranger she didn’t know that late with no one really around prob did startle her, but possibly not highly unusual or impossible and going into her room and locking the door does not seem out of proportion since she doesn’t have any idea, nor prob could even imagine, as I assume she is still very naive.

[@danaclark525]

@@itsjustmet1743 she has been quoted as saying she was frozen in fear. I completely agree with what you've said, but she did express that

[@ellietaylor9938]

I’m very much obsessed by true crime, however I also read around forensic psychology and the brain on fear and trauma slows cognitive function, add in the alcohol and she was very impaired. I don’t at all think it’s weird or odd. While there is more info on this PCA it isn’t the whole story. People are too quick to judge when they have no idea how they’d react. I absolutely don’t think it’s weird, I think she’s the victim of a crime also, and the fact she’s even still here is incredibly lucky. She didn’t stab 4 people and the only reason her interview testimony is included here is because she just so happened to see him fleeing.

[@leizanazo]

Honestly, if i were the surviving roommate who saw the killer, i would be locked up in my bedroom and under my bed. I would probably be trying to convince myself that I didn't see what I saw, and wait until someone come gets me or until I hear some type of normalcy outside. I hope she gets the help she needs and uses this experience to propel herself forward. Good bless those two young girls, and let time heal them from this horrible experience.

[@mariahsmom9457]

I know, it's so horrible. This is going to be massively difficult to get through. Praying very hard for them. And the dog. I can't forget that poor dog- they have very tender feelings too and he also witnessed this terrible thing. There is nothing but awful fallout from this.

[@Elspm]

Yep, I want to lock myself away just from the evidence. Being there I think I would have been frozen, it's a trauma response my body has used in the past.

[@u2abulous]

Agree - she didn’t say that the killer saw her so she might have been afraid that calling the police would make noise and the killer would have realized there was someone else in the house and attacked her. I hope both roommates have an opportunity to explain in court and that they are surrounded by love and support.

[@Ms.AnatomyGeek]

So agree.

[@Paul-dk5qq]

We cannot judge this poor girl who experienced something none us would want to go through ourselves. Her response is understandable and we should praise her for her observation of the killer…5-10, 180, bushy eyebrows, clad in black mask and outfit. She just described BK and puts him in the residence at the time of the murders. That and the cellular data is very important. We should be congratulating DM instead of condemning her locking her door and crawling into her closet and falling asleep for hours. She is a hero in this case. 🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️👍

[@foreverwander0320]

Re: the surviving roommate who saw him: I can imagine that since they frequently had people coming and going from the house it probably wasn’t too out of the ordinary to see a stranger. And even if she was somewhat concerned I know how easy it is to talk yourself out of your own instincts. It makes me sad to think of what those two girls are going through.

[@orphanedhanyou]

I think it's a learning moment to not ignore those instincts & call cops even if you aren't "sure".

[@alirae3663]

Especially if you’re impaired in any way-including just being roused from sleep. Could have easily imagined it type of thing

[@itsonlyada]

Yepp. I myself often disasterize (making that up) scenarios. From living alone to remembering college nights, I often freak myself out and ignore that out of fear of making a fool out of myself. It can seem like a good idea to go to sleep and see how you feel in the morning.

[@barbielf9650]

She was in shock and traumatized. It can take hours to days to snap out of it. That poor girl! You truly do not know what you would do unless you are in that situation. You can plan and think you know until it happens. Hope she finds a therapist she can trust and open up to...someone she feels safe enough to open up

[@foxsquad6992]

Especially after a night of drinking (allegedly). Probably freaked out at first when she locked her door, then talked her out of her paranoia from just drinking, then passed out and woke up thinking it was a weird dream 🤷🏼‍♀️ Either way, those poor girls are going to have a lifetime of trauma and specifically survivors guilt (ESPECIALLY since he walked PASSED her!). My heart breaks for them all!! ❤❤

[@katedalar720]

You had me at “Elaine!!” And I’m now here for everything else because you’re simply one of my favourite human beings on the planet and I’m so thankful that I stumbled across you when searching for Johnny D’s trial! Your videos and podcasts made 2022 bearable and helped me stay sane and no amount of praise and thank-yous will cover my gratitude. I just hope that you enjoy what you do enough to carry on for many, many, many years to come! Much love from soggy London 🇬🇧 ❤️‍🔥

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

Thank you Kate. That is tremendously kind!!

[@karenbennett3662]

The first time I had Covid you introduced me to the AH/JD trial and here I am again with Covid 2 ( I work in a hospital, I get exposed, yes I’ve been vaccinated😤) and now it’s Brian Kohberger.

[@talkstorywithtammy930]

I feel the same.

[@mollycote1021]

Go back over her other videos! She is fantastic!!🟣🟪💜💜🙏🏼‼️

[@kathyedwards2863]

haha SAME!

[@amiosa35]

About the roommate who witnessed things: shock is a real thing and it scrambles every fiber of your being. Love and compassion to all involved.

[@uubish]

I can imagine the immediate shock and shut down. Especially if she was intoxicated. She may have been crying so hard and hyperventilating until she fell asleep. Was probably hoping she would wake up and everything would be normal in the house. I can’t imagine the horror she woke up to and what that felt like. Enough shock to make her pass out - hence the 911 call for an unresponsive person.

[@sara31773]

LE in Moscow should be commended. The public and press has been so critical and all they did for the investigation should be applauded.

[@amyhenningsgard8618]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@lindsayschilling8707]

Yes, I fully agree 👍

[@Lollipop_Lexi]

And Washington state! This was solved partly due to LE in Washington state finding the car in the uni car park, hours away from idaho

[@athanksgivingbaby570]

@therealz360z7 I feel bad for Kohberger's family, assuming they knew nothing about what he did, but police believe that this man is a quadruple murderer. Who knows what else he was capable of doing and whether his family was in danger? His family live in a gated community. The photos show large rural lots and little traffic. Access is restricted and it's difficult for police to just sit on the street and watch the house without him seeing them or neighbors noticing. If that had happened, who knows what Kohberger might have done ? He wouldn't have been the first mass murderer to take his family with him on the way out. By doing things the way they did, they may have saved his family's life. Windows and doors can be replaced and although what happened to the family is awful, it might have been the better choice.

[@gingerlundgren-barron3594]

@@Lollipop_Lexi it’s minutes away not hours.. WSU is literally 10 Minutes way. ( Go Cougs!)

[@AKO_Always]

When you’re world doesn’t include even the idea of extreme danger or violence it’s surreal when it’s happening. Your mind doesn’t want to believe or can’t reconcile what you think reality is & what it is suddenly becoming. My heart breaks for those girls who will never see the world the same ever. They’ll live but never in the same way.

[@melindapye7435]

Excellent point. Your fight or flight response is not something you can easily override without experience. Her reaction may have saved her life which we should all be grateful for. Not just because a young life was soared but so that she could share what she saw and heard to bring the perp to justice.

[@johannawigg6921]

Well said

[@uubish]

Exactly. These are kids that are enjoying living life and are young, thinking they’re invincible. No one at 20-21 thinks something this horrible will happen to them. Especially so close to campus. You probably feel safe in your sorority house with so many roommates, especially knowing Ethan was in the house and would likely offer some protection to the girls. It likely put their mind at ease. People need to give them a break and act with empathy and respect.

[@F1blablabla]

I hope the surviving roommates have a good support system and therapist right now. What they went through is traumatic and seeing so many people judging and/or speculating over their actions must be horrible.

[@MortgageGirl7]

I agree I wish more context was given because so many are assuming the worst. I have known of several cases where some people have frozen to a paralyzed state of mind. We just don’t know any of her past trauma or what was in her system or her mental state. But I do know she did not choose to selfishly disregard her friends being murdered or involved. The internet is cruel. I pray she is doing ok and I am thankful she is alive.

[@dollbabe2]

I am wondering if the roommate was experiencing an adrenaline rush caused by the terror of the situation. The subsequent crash after she perceived the danger had passed might have been overwhelming and she lost consciousness for several hours. It doesn't mean that she was sitting around with indifference for her friends.

[@WhitneyDahlin]

@@dollbabe2 ‼️or it could be she felt she overreacted. Because you have to remember it's a winter it's cold it wouldn't be abnormal for someone to be wearing a mask when they were going out into the cold. I just wore one to walk my dogs not 10 minutes ago. And since she saw him and he walked right past her and out the door. She probably rationalized it afterwards and was like you're just overreacting, you didn't hear any screaming, he didn't hurt you. He's probably with one of the girls and just now leaving, just go to sleep everything will feel better in the morning. I feel like that is most likely what happened. I think we all tell ourselves we're overreacting or try to rationalize when something weird happens.

[@WhitneyDahlin]

@@MortgageGirl7 I completely agree! I believe she just shut the door and then rationalized it and told herself she overreacted and it wouldn't be weird for someone to be wearing a mask if they were going out into the cold and she didn't hear any screaming and he just walked right past her and outside. She probably assumed she was making a mountain of a molehill and just went to bed. I know I have talked myself out of panicking when something weird has happened. I wonder why he didn't hurt her. Did he just have other targets in mind? Did he just not see her? I suspect he didn't see her. Poor thing I completely agree the internet is going to crucify her unjustly. I truly feel terrible for her because I believe she just acted how many of us including myself would have. Poor thing. I hope she's able to move forward.

[@ublu3631]

@@WhitneyDahlin especially since it seems like it wasn’t unusual for strangers to go in and out of the house. Her assuming this man was just some friend her roommates had brought home from a party isn’t far fetched

[@ghthz]

Emily, this show deserves an award. Seriously. For legal commentary and unbiased coverage with so much empathy. I adore you!

[@mel2d2]

I can tell how hard it is for you to talk about this case. Thank you for being someone we can trust to give us facts. Take care of you too though. 👍🏻

[@SpicyCatFoster]

I teared up several times listening to Emily. I have a daughter in college. Hard to hear.

[@lindsayschilling8707]

Yes! I have 3 nieces in college and a granddaughter. This case shakes me to my inner core!

[@jenniewren9351]

I had a friend who was murdered when I was 16. Things do hit different, Emily is right.

[@BBB-rd2qi]

@@SpicyCatFoster - My daughter is the same age and in College close to the Idaho border. I have intentionally stayed away from this case. It hits way too close to home. My heart breaks for the parents and roommates. At 20 yrs old, not only have I’ve raised m daughter, I also see the adult is she is becoming. I waited for Emily to cover this.

[@beulahboi]

"innocent until proven guilty" is often not taken into consideration AT ALL. Thanks for the reminder to those who do not acknowledge this cornerstone of our judiciary process.

[@briannamatthew3921]

Innocent until crime is committed, guilty people walk free too.

[@meganmoon6197]

@@briannamatthew3921 There is a presumption of innocence. IMO it’s better to let a guilty person go free than to imprison or put to death an innocent person.

[@mariahsmom9457]

Absolutely. The Johnny Depp case is a perfect example of why we should not jump to conclusions of guilt before actually seeing all evidence. If we learned nothing else on LawTube this past year, that is something we should all have taken on board!

[@BonBon-uz5iq]

@@briannamatthew3921 Innocent people end up in prison as well

[@gmary7298]

@@briannamatthew3921 guilty until proven innocent. that's the US court system.

[@meghanmc9372]

So many people criticizing the roommate for freezing and not checking up on their friend, but they didn't have the hindsight that we have to know what had happened, and I can definitely imagine being afraid to look and see the aftermath 😶

[@rootintobeing]

Thank you for advocating for gracious treatment of the surviving roommates. Freeze states are a completely valid nervous system response, which we have little to no control over, and we don't know if she may have something in her personal trauma history may have triggered such a response. She's going to be a key witness in putting this guy away. All she needs is support.

[@alisonharris5663]

I live in Pullman and went to U of I. This arraignment has been a breath of relief for our small community. Thank you for all you do Emily. 💜

[@sharleen106]

As someone who has been in a very scary situation before but narrowly escaped, thank you for making a point to emphasize that when going through a traumatic experience our brains can not be very rational. Whenever I think back to my experience I feel a sense of frustration because there were things I wish I had done or had observed that could have helped in the investigation but my mind was just in flight mode and wanted to leave and you just freeze and go numb and don’t fully process or “realize” in the moment what is actually happening because its something you hear happen to other people but not yourself. I wouldn’t be surprised if something similar happened with that witness. That everything she was witnessing in that moment was so bizarre and for a moment you doubt your judgement and don’t even fully process what is actually happening until later when your brain is finally able to process what you just witnessed or went through. I feel for the surviving victims and though my situation was not to the extent of what they had to go through, I can imagine how much PTSD they will have to deal with from now on. It’s so easy to say “if I was in this situation I would do this” but once you are in a specific situation, believe me, it is not always that straight forward. And just to add, the affidavit does not reveal all the other information so there is more to that witness probably than what they have revealed at this time.

[@orphanedhanyou]

I get that sometimes you freeze & your brain can't process what is going on, but a masked suspicious figure isn't "bizarre" to me? At least not in a "i can't understand fully what a masked stranger means" way. That's an obvious "that's a possibly criminal" stereotype is it not? Ultimately it's a learning moment to empower people to call 911, campus security, their neighbor, their roommate, even if it might be "nothing".

[@sharleen106]

@@orphanedhanyou I totally understand that point as well about why a masked person isn’t a huge red flag to immediately call 911 and for that I don’t quite have an answer either. I assume maybe she was too scared to make a sound, leave the room until later in the morning or whatever. Obviously just speculating and I have questions too about it but I think because the probable cause was mainly to just outline reasoning to arrest him, they probably left out a lot more detail of her account and just added in her description of the guy because for the arrest warrant that was the only necessary information that needed to be shared at this time. We will have to wait and see what more details there are in regards to her side of the story. I just don’t like when ppl jump online and immediately blame someone who has also been going through it and probably dealing with survivors guilt as well and then having to read conspiracy theories. I do understand why people are asking these questions but just wish more people would hold off from judgement with limited information and wait until more is out.

[@MissChievousRN]

I was beaten up one night and had gasoline poured on me, naked in my front yard. I was saved, inexplicably, by running across the street and pounding on my neighbors door. When the police got there, I was in a blanket and one officer was trying to ask me what happened. I yelled at him because I didn't remember ANY details at all. I just knew I got beaten up and ran across the street. It took months for bits and pieces to conne back to me. I still don't remember all of it, 20yrs later. You just concentrate on staying alive. The roommate will go thru a lot working thru this trauma. But if she wasn't there, or didn't survive, no one would have been able to place the killer in the house and bring justice for her friends and their families. She might not have been able to save their lives, but she can save their legacies. Pray for her. Pray for all of them.

[@sharleen106]

@@MissChievousRN I am very sorry to hear you had to go through such a horrific and traumatic experience & appreciate you sharing this. I agree with what you say - that her account is so important and the fact she still managed to pick up some crucial details is big. In my situation I couldn't recall a lot of descriptive details. Being in shock can really almost "incapacitate" someone mentally. Everyone reacts so differently. On top of it, she may have assumed it was a thief rather than a murderer and so decided to stay in the room as long as possible for safety but not assuming that some had actually murdered her roommates. Who knows. Only time will tell. I just hope they are getting all the support they need at this time!

[@kittymaya4615]

@@sharleen106 Masked people have become quite popular in recent times. Before March 2020 it would’ve been odd

[@kcowgirl7840]

As the parent of an adult kid, it is great to look for and find opportunities to spend time together. Everyone has such busy lives. A few days on a road trip with my 40 year old son last year was a miracle for me - for him, not quite so much, I suspect:)

[@libilmf]

I am sure he appreciates it, or will some day

[@amandac7270]

Some people in other threads are making insane allegations against the surviving roommates right now. I feel so bad for those girls.

[@amyhenningsgard8618]

So horrible! I can’t believe people can be so reckless.

[@kreggie891]

I think she may have been so afraid she actually passed out. She looks out, sees him, shuts and locks the door, starts to panic, hyperventilates and literally passes out on the floor, bed, closet, wherever she was at completely out of extreme fear.

[@jodil7]

Same!

[@BT2XX]

We talked about this too… I said I would straight pass out. My viewing partner mentioned to me that with long nights out, there can be lots of drinking. So being Afraid even and hiding, maybe just knocking out in deep drunk sleep while hiding… Of course it’s all assumption, we’ll find out! It is super hard to understand right now for us just hearing all of this.

[@laurad324]

@@kreggie891I think it’s also possible she was intoxicated. It was a Sunday morn .

[@kaitlyncramp3100]

I hope no one gives D.M. a hard time. I have called 911 due to loud noises in nearby apartments- one had sounded like someone had an accident and may have broken something (loud thump and screaming for help) and the other for stomping and "unfun screaming" as I told the operator... My new roommate on the other hand (someone whose lived in sketchy areas/ been around sketchy people in the past) was hesitant to call for the latter in case of retaliation since we live in a less than safe neighborhood. Different backgrounds lead to different reactions.

[@snowflowerwork]

As someone who's lived in a noisy dorm before, I can see how the roommates might not have reacted/realized what was going on. Our dorm had ppl coming and going at all hours of the night, strangers coming over for parties, etc., and ppl crying or screaming at one another. If that happens a lot you eventually stop expecting sth bad. Horribly, in this case the worst happened.

[@Venvaneless]

The issue people have with D. is that she realised what was happening and still didn’t call the cops for 8 hours… she wasn’t even the one calling the police. If you hear cries, thumping, dog barking, and then a masked man, who made you so afraid, that you “stood in a phase of shock” and then “locked herself in”, you would call the cops. 99% of people would. Not only for the roommates, but for yourself, too. And not wait 8h. Even the cops are wondering why they waited 8 hours and it was their friends, not the roommates, who called. Apparently, the crime scene looked like from a horror movie, so there’s no way they didn’t see anything

[@ninibridges]

@@Venvaneless if she actually thought she was in danger she probably would’ve called the cops. Also nothing says she heard a thud. The neighbors’ camera picked that up. We have the advantage of knowing what was happening. She didn’t. It was 4 in the morning after presumably a night of drinking in a 3-story house in a frat row type area. Give her a break.

[@missliss2581able]

@@ninibridgesI’m not criticizing the young lady but in the affidavit it does say that a thud was what initially woke her up at around 4:00. But having been that age with occasionally boisterous roommates who had weird guests, I don’t think she knew exactly what was going on. Especially since no one nor the cameras reported hearing anything like screaming. In a house with a boyfriend over, another girl broken up with her boyfriend and everyone had been out drinking, crying wouldn’t automatically indicate murderer in the house. I’m curious if maybe he had a stun gun or something to incapacitate them and keep them from screaming because I do find that unusual

[@hopelessromantic3786]

@@missliss2581able it's a morbid idea but he may have targeted their throat first. I think that's how Jack the Ripper managed to kill so brazenly.

[@gothgammy666]

@@Venvaneless that is speculative and putting words in mouth

[@kc910]

I can completely understand the actions of the surviving roommate that night based on my own experience being young, living in a college town with a lot of roommates and people coming/going often. Then add in alcohol and confusion. I wish the internet could not be the internet and let the legal process run its course.

[@MissaPality]

I agree. We know this was a party house. She most likely was spooked then locked her door and tried to sleep, not waking up until late morning. I know she is probably going through hell and the trauma would have to be off the charts.

[@orphanedhanyou]

I have not followed this case basically at all, but I did hear the roommates came home after drinking as you mentioned. This isn't to victim shame, but to help others prevent being victims: the sister says in video clip i saw earlier today that there was no "high risk" behavior to trigger a reason why this happened. While there is no link from drinking to the murder itself, just because drinking & getting drunk is "normal" or "common" people, especially teens, need to be aware that doesn't change it from being high risk behavior. While this is a murder, alcohol is the root of so many deaths in young people. In this case who knows if they were less inebriated or sober could they have better defended themselves or had better senses about them.

[@arielsea9087]

@@orphanedhanyou Living in a revolving door house is dangerous. These young women needed to watch each other’s back but that didn’t happen. Time for self defense classes. Learn what are risky behaviors and how to handle them.

[@immaseahorse24]

@@arielsea9087 your victim blaming is crass

[@lennygracelove5903]

In the affidavit, the surviving roommate reported that she thought she heard the roommate playing with her dog. Then "someone's here". Add that in with party house (read revolving door type home) it makes sense that she didn't investigate. She saw a stranger, and froze. He probably didn't see her, and that 'freeze' reaction was more of a not wanting to be seen spying vs fearing for her life. Most roommates don't live like families do, so the likelihood of a.roommate investigating a disturbance is low to begin with. In summary, DM seemingly didn't realize the gravity of what she was hearing. She's lucky that the perp didn't see her.

[@meganriley253]

As for the witness roommate, it does sound a little weird that she didn't really do anything, but then I think of how many times I've seen or heard something spooky at night that got me to do things like silently lock my door, etc, only to do nothing else and wait it out. You assume you're wrong, not that a murderer is actually inside the house, etc. I can only imagine that in a house with so many people living and visiting, she convinced herself that she was being dramatic, etc, and that'd it turn out to have been no big deal the next day.

[@origamikiddo2625]

Agreed. The amount of times I think I heard a suspicious noise and swept my house for it to only be my cat's is more times than I want to admit. If it was a house with 4-5 other roommates on 3 diff floors there is no way I'd go wander the whole house, I'd just lock in my room and call friends or police if I keep hearing alarming noises. I'm assuming the roommate went back to sleep, which means she obviously wasnt still concerned enough about anything. If we think she's sus then we think she's lying about something or all of it, which then why? So then we're assuming she was involved in the killings or knew about it? So when I hear the case I keep in mind that possibility but so far nothing has shown how or why. And if she is lying and didn't see a person (or it wasn't this defendant) then why/ how did his DNA get to the crime scene? Anyway, just cuz we think the roommate should have done something different doesn't mean she's the guilty party.

[@frazzledhaloz3184]

Massive survivors guilt coming. I am sad for all of them and their families!

[@jennifer2185]

2:43:53 From my own experience as well, my mother in law flew from WI to TX to help me drive from TX back to WI. It's a long drive and easier when 2 people can switch off when the other gets tired - or even just to keep the driver company on the long trip.

[@karentompkins6306]

Emily, I appreciate so much that you are only about the facts and not the speculation of cases you cover. Thanks for all of your hard work in explaining all things law!

[@judybabcock3545]

It is so true that you never know how you will react in a violent/traumatic situation. I know we would all like to think we would be quick on our feet but that is simply not the case for everyone, especially young adults. I was robbed at gun point when I was 19, I actually thanked the guy and told him to have a nice night. It took a few mins for me to actually process what happened and call 911. The PD questioned me in court and asked if I was really as freighted as I was because of my reaction..that said, what the roommate witnessed was so, so much more traumatic than what happened to me, so I can only imagine how she is feeling and may not even know why she reacted the way she did, when she did. It is not for us to judge- especially considering, if this does go to trial, I am sure the PD will question her about it. That will be traumatic enough. So as public on lookers, PLEASE let’s not judge, question or make assumption about her for how she reacted! I am sure she already see’s enough online, she doesn’t need to see more!

[@brendacroteau]

YET you called 911. Lol. I mean I get it. Sorta. What I really want to know is why Xana and Ethan didnt scream or anything? Strange

[@Dreamer-gp8ye]

I believe that he didn't/doesn't care much about getting caught.He wanted to live out his long-term fantasy and enter into the realm of his studies.He cares about his fantasy world, not his real life

[@aimeeburch8329]

I was really hoping that you would cover this case. I live 30 minutes from Moscow and work minutes from where it happened. This hits so close and its been so sad.

[@crl62089]

Having gotten my PhD at WSU, it's really shocking seeing such a horrific crime occur in this community. Pullman and Moscow are really like one big (not actually big lol) college town, and it was always such a safe and respectful place. Hearts out to the families, schools, and all others affected

[@weaverdreams]

It was safe until this psychopathic killer moved over there from PA in the summer. Pretty scary that it only took him a few months to commit a quadruple murder. Even though he was super sloppy it kind of makes you wonder if this was his first try. How many serial killers kill four people on the first try other than BTK? Of Course BTK coulda been this guy’s idol so maybe he was trying to one up him. (?) He definitely needs to get the death penalty and we need to stop publicizing his name. That’s what these guys are after - they either want to be famous or infamous.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I love near a state college and go to church near there, also had a friend going to a college in very far remote location in a nother state and it was so small there wasn't even stop signs at road intersections other than main Street cuz there just wasn't that many people in the town. Can't imagine how world changing this has been to all the students and the community.

[@oswin3944]

Thank you for covering this case. You have mentioned before that you don't want to cover too many criminal cases. It seems easier to handle the tough cases when you walk us through them. 💜💜💜

[@carinamoszek7482]

Totally agree

[@juliebee4841]

I love it when Emily goes into full prosecutor mode. ❤

[@mollycote1021]

Me too!

[@origamikiddo2625]

Hearing her version of closing arguments is amazing and I usually hate closings. Her closing for defense of Murdaugh would probably have me voting not guilty, either cuz she's better than his team or maybe it they had guilty knowledge and being so close and friends to Alex (and Maggie and Paul) could have affected their closing even subconsciously, just my theory.

[@MadddyDawn]

Thank you for your commentary. You’ve really opened my eyes to the law during this past year. I don’t always like it but I have a much better understanding of the law. And I’m not so quick to judge cases on my emotions. I could never be a judge or lawyer. I appreciate y’all’s ability to do those jobs.

[@moonglow630]

His lawyer may be a public defender, but she’s made a bit of a name for herself. I think she’s the head public defender(don’t know the title). She recently had a conviction overturned by the Idaho Supreme Court by proving that one of the Idaho police officers lied on the stand.

[@eldermillenial6335]

That’s true, but he was later reconvicted haha 😂 doesn’t take away from her victory just thought it was funny

[@moonglow630]

@@eldermillenial6335 yes. But it shows what a skilled lawyer she can be, and thorough.

[@abuelitacaicedo3185]

She will need every bit of knowledge and energy she has to handle this event 😅

[@3dchick]

Thank you for being willing to cover this. I went to WSU (where the suspect was a student), with a child who will go off to one of the universities involved soon. This kind of case is hard, so extra thank you!

[@meganmoon6197]

I’m a Coug too and it honestly wigs me out a little bit. Idk why. I wasn’t even at the Pullman campus.

[@3dchick]

@@meganmoon6197 and I was there 25 years ago. Maybe because it feels like Ted Bundy with the college thing.

[@missmishka8379]

Replay crew: I can't help but notice that he is very rapt and attentive at his arraignment. If that Reddit survey post was indeed him, I will not be at all surprised if we find out that his base motive was just to experience for himself how "emotions and psychological traits influenced decision-making when committing" this crime. There is likely a reason why he chose that house or the victims, but he may have seen this all as an "experiment" which would make him a very scary kind of killer. This could be a case of someone so obsessed with the criminal process in America that they just had to go through it for themselves.

[@kelleywyskiel3478]

Yes, I definitely agree with you on this.

[@stellaallbright4750]

Agreed. However, he made so many mistakes knowing he would be caught? He was pursuing a career in using data to track criminals. How would he not have known he was leaving a trail of technology in his wake? How does this fact work into your theory? I'm genuinely curious.

[@immaseahorse24]

If this is the case the alleged perp might be about to find out that theory is a lot different to practice.

[@missmishka8379]

@@stellaallbright4750 I honestly think he was expecting to get caught. He may not have been trying to commit a perfect crime, he was honestly wanting the experience of committing a notorious crime, including what it means to go to trial for it. He may have thought he’d prepared and was ready after dry runs, but I think the severity of his acts and the fact that victims fought back may have thrown him. If he left a living witness, though, as this revealed, then he had to know he wouldn't be getting away with it.

[@ceciliac2225]

I suspect he thought he has become an expert, ready to put to action. As much as he planned, ran through scenarios, rehearsed over and over, when came to actual ‘attack’, adrenaline was high, mistakes would be made. He was psychotic but not a professional killer.

[@laluna3738]

Thank you Emily for providing a safe place of information with respect for the victims breaking down the procedures in laymen’s terms for us - this case is heartbreaking- love and light for all affected ❤

[@Kati-did]

EDB is a Lawyer, Rockstar! I love the boundaries and expectations you set. The minute affidavit released, I started stocking your channel!

[@emmafmaurice]

Yes! Very grateful for EDB D.A brain breaking it down for those of us who have questions yet lack knowledge of the legal things

[@kimmie7379]

This is the first video I have watched. I have to say that it was refreshing to watch the facts being explained in a kind and professional manner. I will continue to watch your videos from now on. I am happy that I was able to find a safe place to engage with actual facts and not speculation. Thank you for all you day and Happy New Year!

[@annieangel97]

i cannot believe how not careful he was. it's actually shocking to me.

[@tamararutland-mills9530]

Especially in light of his education and training, AND in view of the fact that he made a statement to the effect that he has not doubt that he will be proven innocent.

[@mariampogosova8295]

There is a psycological thing (that actually has a fancy name, but I forgot it): the level of self assurance is usually low, when one is totally out of the topic. As soon as one starts gaining the very first learning experience, there come the feeling you know everything - and a person gets on the top of self assurance. Then, when continuing to learn, we drop this feeling down to earth again as we realized that the actual ocean of knowledge is huge. And only after we can slowly-slowly get a bit higher level of self assurance - but usually it never gets that initial peak. I think this guy was into digital data & security. Maybe made his first steps. This led him to a conclusion he knows everything - and definitely enough to commit a crime. Yet he was not educated enough to keep a little bit more factors inda head. The thing he overseen even some common sense details just depicts his level of general wisdom. Too young + too sure = disaster.

[@JanetSmith900]

@@mariampogosova8295 dunning Kruger effect?

[@natasha8007]

@@mariampogosova8295 You’re referring to the four stages of competence, and I totally agree!

[@weaverdreams]

Maybe he wanted to get the death penalty. He moved to a state that has the death penalty and does not allow an insanity plea. He committed a horrible crime and left a ton of DNA evidence behind including the knife sheath. Either he’s stupid or wanted to get caught subconsciously.

[@mykidsmomogx5]

I lost my goddaughter Christmas Eve 2019 and have had a hard time grieving since court hearings started after COVID and I wasn't considered immediate family. You are truly helping me with closure. He is behind bars for 40 years. Thank you for being you.

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

Tina I am so sorry for your loss. Being excluded from court on top of that loss must have been very very difficult. Glad you are part of this tremendous community. Sending you a hug.

[@sashagabor76]

I'm late to this party but I have live chat replay running while I watch and as I've seen in other places, there is so much speculation about the roommate not calling 911 and I would just like to share my perspective. It's my understanding that it was a busy house with a lot of people coming and going at all hours. I've lived in a home like that and I remember very distinctly in the middle of the night one night being awoken by sounds coming from one of my roommates bedrooms and getting up to open my door to hear a little better. It was quiet at that point so I closed it and laid back down but before I could fall asleep again I heard what sounded like arguing. Once more I got up and opened the door and just then, coming down the dark hallway toward me, was someone I didn't recognize. I froze in fear/embarrassment at being caught eavesdropping/ awkwardness. He didn't even make eye contact with me, just walked past me down the stairs and out the front door. I closed my door, locked it, and went back to bed. Until I fell asleep I ran different scenarios in my mind trying to figure out who he might have been and which one of my roommates might have had him over. It never occurred to me that he might have just murdered my roommates. Now I'm imagining that if he had done something to anyone in the house, the world would be speculating about why I didn't call 911! I haven't heard anything yet to give me a reason to think the roommate should have done anything more than what she did. Just like I didn't feel the need to do anything that night. I sure as hell didn't think I should call 911, and my roommates were roommates. They weren't my besties, they weren't family, we got along well but we didn't all hang out together and it wasn't the kind of relationship where I would tipped it on the hall and knock on their doors and see which one of them had had a guy over so I think because of my own experience I understand completely why this roommate did and didn't do what she did and didn't do. I'm so hurt for her that there's so much speculation out there. I can only imagine the guilt I would live with if something had happened that night and I can only imagine the guilt this girl is going to live with for the rest of her life. I pray she can find some peace but she isn't going to find it if she's reading comments like the ones I've been seeing.

[@marjuska9833]

I've been wondering why people don't understand exactly this scenario what you just explained.

[@LauraBlair-lv6jy]

I will watch the rest of this replay a bit later. So glad you are back

[@anniecuson4711]

Thank you for covering this case with facts. Your coverage takes the shock reporting and rumors out of the mix. Thank you for being professional and compassionate for the victims!

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

Thank you Annie. I feel very seen!

[@strawberrry1997]

Well said Annie.

[@NurseJanice]

I am dyslexic too!! and the same! I am a UK nurse and I can tell you I always find it hard to call patients surnames and also say medication names! I get you! you are doing a great job!

[@chammiequeen7838]

Jeeze Louise, it seemed like you had some “suggesters” today. I don’t understand people staying on a program that bothers them. It is as weird as people trolling. One nice thing about being retired is the freedom to avoid annoying things. I am a diabetic non-baker who watches those British baking contests to enjoy people being pleasant to each other.😊

[@bridgetharrison103]

To support you and all the KZbin no no words!

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

Thanks Bridget I have been leaning into the no no words...

[@rhondabarry4400]

Had to watch on replay. Thank you for the great mods who keep the chat safe, and you for keeping us safe and informed so we understand and can process safely. You are by far the best

[@amandabott2279]

Thanks Emily gonna follow the IDAHO case with you with regard to legal interpretation as you are professional compassionate and objective xx

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

Thank you Amanda! I try.

[@suzimonkey345]

Emily, thank you so very much for creating a kind & principled place for us. 🥰

[@NotWhoYouThoughtRU]

I truly appreciate all the work that you put in “behind the scenes”. I also truly appreciate how you address the chat to keep them in check as you do it with dignity and respect. I truly appreciate the knowledge I’ve gained from you on how you stop to breakdown the law and how it works. You are great at what you do and it does not go unnoticed 😊

[@nat-815]

Thank you for covering this Emily. You do it in such a considerate and sensitive way. I really feel for the surviving roommates especially the one who may have seen the alleged leave the building, people talk so much about fight/flight they don't talk so much about the third aspect which is freeze. The only person to blame here is the one who committed the crime speculating on what might have been doesn't help, it only hurts.

[@aledaadams2553]

My son just graduated from college and went to college near this guy I couldn’t imagine what the families of the murdered are going through

[@amorah-1026]

My cousin goes to the nearby college in Idaho and I was living in WA when this all unfolded, it’s scary to think how it could have been someone close to us. It definitely must be 1000x worse in that smaller community and to those families personally affected.

[@vabellabeauty3006]

I have hoping and praying you Emily would be covering this case ! 🙏💕

[@hollykeller1545]

Ya.

[@jenniferrideaux58]

So sorry I missed the live of this, but watching the replay. Thank you for covering this, I hope you cover this case moving forward and throughout the trial if he doesn’t plea out. Love you, your safe space and what you do for all us respectful law nerds❤❤

[@Scrabble12]

You explain things really well. Thanks for uploading.

[@isabellajane5644]

In regards to the surviving roommate, is it possible that after seeing the defendant & locking themselves in their bedroom… the original call to 911 for an unresponsive person was about them? Especially if drinking was involved, I think it’s entirely possible they went into shock & passed out for an extended amount of time.

[@Roo13_60]

Found you while looking to read the affidavit so glad I did. I so appreciate your explanations.

[@cat_lady_ballerina]

Re: the roommate who saw the offender leaving. It was also the middle of the night. I don't know if they had been asleep or what, but often times we wake up at night and aren't fully awake/engaged. They had been having a college weekend night, maybe they hadn't been to sleep yet, but who isn't tired, things don't fully click. There's just so many factors here (including fight or flight, freezing, freaking the crap out and just wanting to be away from the person and thinking of my own safety, etc) that make sense to me that they didn't call 911 that moment. Like our brains do such weird things in reaction to anything, and I honestly just don't find it odd that the call was made much later.

[@youtubejunkie4340]

Thought... If he did do this could it have been a sick twist on his final thesis type project for his PhD ... Like getting away with murder etc. I dunno how to explain it easily here lol but it's got my brain gears spinning for sure. Thank you for the coverage on this case. 💜

[@ladywytch129]

Based on what we know so far, I honestly believe this is exactly what happened. Hearing about it just wasn't enough.

[@dianamitethe1nonly703]

This is my thought, this whole situation is his thesis

[@youtubejunkie4340]

@@dianamitethe1nonly703 ok so I'm not too far fetched in my thinking then....

[@cosmicpr2707]

Thank you, EDB. This was so hard to get through. I can't imagine the horror of it all - for the victims, the survivors, and their families. So sad. Sad tragic.

[@CrystalWilloughby]

Thank you for your take on this story. My family lives in Pullman and Moscow and my niece was a student at WSU so this is VERY close to home for us. Thank you for your decorum.

[@lisapfuelb3547]

This is my first time here and you are amazing! This is so refreshing compared to other true crime you tubers out here. I just find it interesting that someone who has a degree or was studying towards a degree in criminology did not even think that they would be looking at the movement of his car and phone. Especially in today’s world of technology and cameras. Thank you!

[@carliesmith3252]

Emily, I watch you from the UK. Law is different although roots of it are same. My word you are direct AND empathetic AND competent. Hate using positive language in this case but you are incredible in your analysis.

[@Maiden_to_mother]

I feel like this quadrupole murder was the worst of the worst of the worst. I know the death penalty is a touchy subject but damn, what this guy did to those four innocent young souls is just so incredibly inhuman I can’t imagine a world where we let this guy live.

[@gothgammy666]

Death penalty isn’t punishment. Life sentence is.

[@Maiden_to_mother]

I can understand that perspective, and in certain ways I do agree. But I also wonder what kind of torture it must be to sit on death row, in complete and total seclusion, awaiting the day of your death. You’re a trapped animal in a cage waiting to be slaughtered. It seems the day of death comes much later after sentencing, there’s a period of time where they have to wait.. and I feel like that’s part of the punishment. You can still experience some form of joy in prison when you’re not on death row. Maybe even laugh, smile, joke around. Maybe the other prisoners would take care of the issue like they did Dahmar, I guess we’ll wait and see. All I know is that life is precious, and every breath we take is a gift. He took four lives in the most barbaric way. He should be sent into the same endless nothingness that he sent Ethan, Madison, Xana and Kaylee into far before their time and so unfairly. I guess that’s what feels the most fair to me.

[@carinamoszek7482]

I changed my mind about the death penalty when watching the Parkland case, because that murderer was terrified of dying, and life in prison was a relief to him. I think the same is true in this case, and I hope the defendent receives the sentence which he fears most.

[@tomuchcamoflauge]

@@Maiden_to_mother my thought is always that the people that survive or lost their loved ones don't get to forget what happened why should the person who did it? though there are criminals would feel nothing either way so it stays a case to case thing. there is really no fair solution because the people can't be brought back

[@breannankolb]

It’s interesting that people are really quick to say “WHY DIDNT THE ROOMATE HELP, I WOULDVE HELPED!!!” You don’t know how fear is going to affect you. And I’m sure that girl has enough guilt she’s placed on herself. She did absolutely nothing wrong. I hope she has the support available so she can live her best life.

[@3dchick]

I'm loving calling the less pleasant chat spaces Thunderdomes. Emily has all the best slang. 😊

[@melissacoxen6001]

Thank you for covering this! I live really close to where this happened! One of the victims had close ties to my hometown about an hour away from Moscow. Thank you for breaking this down!

[@Metroid250]

People cope in 3 primary ways: (1) fight, (2) flight, and (3) freeze. Freeze has now been recognised as a human reaction to a traumatic, stressful event. It makes me baffled that people are disparaging the roommates for freezing during such a horrible event.

[@desertsunset8025]

It probably saved her life . Also , his footprint was at her door , so don't know if it was before or after he left , when she locked the door . He may have walked back in after she locked door .

[@orphanedhanyou]

Freeze is totally understandable. But once you are inside and safe for hours? It's easy to dismiss and make excuses for seeing a suspicious person, but we need to ensure people feel empowered to feel they can call campus police or 911 vs talk themselves out of it or feel "stupid" if it turned out to be nothing. See something say something!

[@whats_a___taylor510]

I absolutely don’t blame her for her reaction, frankly I would probably have done the same thing and I’m willing to bet most people, especially young college students, faced with the same situation would as well. As far as the reason for the 911 call coming in later in the day, I hope everyone can reserve judgement if/until more information is available. It’s entirely possible she went into a dissociative state or passed out with having had an adrenaline rush after kind of encounter. It’s also possible that she did not realize what had actually happened until the deceased roommates were discovered. Having lived in a fairly party heavy house as a younger adult where there was a lot of traffic in and out, I can remember when there would be literal strangers sleeping on our couch for longer than I think anyone at the house cared to admit. There are so many unknowns at this point that the least we can do is assume the roommate wasn’t acting maliciously. I hope everyone involved finds peace and healing

[@maskichef]

Names of all residents have been googled over 50 times mid and late October. All except DM. Zero searches for DM.

[@tattfam3]

He didn't leave the state with victims he drove to commit the crime and left. Didn't cross over to kidnap or kill crossing State lines.

[@momomomo69]

I have to say, the people accusing the roommates need to stop. Y'all are not smarter than the FBI. Just stop.

[@bethi2349]

100% It makes me so angry, they’re so disrespectful. I keep seeing it everywhere… some of these true crime fanatics truly think they know more than the fbi 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@terrisnider5402]

His voice is so strong when he answers! Like he is in control of his own hearing!

[@gothgammy666]

Yes it’s weird they are usually so quiet.

[@Luv2LuvEm]

I know from following the Vallow/Daybell case that ID has 60 days from when a plea is entered to announce if they will be seeking the death penalty. In the V/D case they waited until the actual day of the deadline to announce it.

[@jameswilliams3t]

Hello 🤗

[@okoriesgirl6391]

Emily, I am on the replay gang today and I just have to say your reaction to what you are reading just made me feel so much better. I've been following this case as I like in Washington State very very close to Pullman and it is extremely scary. Anyway I had watched The Lawyer that you Know read this and I was so freaked (very similar to your response). It's just very disconcerting.

[@LilithCain]

Just found you today.... I'm obsessed!! I absolutely love your coverage style 💙

[@supergran62]

Welcome to the Law Nerds.

[@Eden_Rivers]

I agree that after this affidavit we have so many questions. However, this evidence is the definition of a "mountain." It's a lot. Thank you Emily for going through all of this. I always learn something from you.

[@hauntedbelle]

I'm so glad you're covering this.

[@chebbohagop]

I lived in Pullman for 3 years and spent a lot of time in Moscow. Drove 270 a lot. Moscow has the food scene and cute downtown. Pullman has the bigger campus. This case has shook my family to our core. We continue to pray for the families, friend, community. Thank God for law enforcement! & for a legal system that seems to work to protect innocent suspects but also bring to Justice the guilty.

[@RandomFunTime12]

It makes me sad how much crap the roommate who didn’t call right away is getting. I can’t even imagine the fear, not wanting to get out of your room, not wanting to make a noise in your room (I.e., make a call) in case he hears you, or even just freezing out of fear. Everyone acting like know exactly what they’d do has no way of knowing unless they’ve gone through a similar experience.

[@aseygirl9295]

Wow - this was such a great channel I stumbled upon and walking us through the affidavit with your knowledge and expertise was incredibly helpful!! I’m definitely following you throughout this case - thank you!!

[@bridgett039]

It says one of the victims were on TikTok at 4:12, but if you don’t actively leave the app or lock your phone, the video just keeps repeating. I’m not sure if there’s a way to check if the same video played more than once or if she was actively swiping. Makes me feel a little sick to think about, but I think it’s important to note

[@kittymaya4615]

If the forensic data technicians say she was ACTIVE on tiktok, i.e. scrolling & liking, then I tend to believe the forensic data technicians

[@angiedavis3200]

Emily D. Baker is the best! Your respect and compassion does not go unnoticed!

[@cath1895]

Of course not. Many of us thank her for those qualities on every livestream.

[@Faux.P]

Praying for all of the victims may they rest peacefully, for their families to continue to heal with everyday that goes by, also for the surviving roommates and anyone else trying to heal🙏🏼 As always, I love following you and your coverage (of all cases, not just this one) because you break it down with class and respect for the families and people effected by this senseless. You talk about all the law things in a way that NO ONE else does and personally taught me a lot. I just wanted you to know that you are one of a kind, truly! I always wanted a best friend like you😬 but I have a sister-in-law that is like a twin to you in so many ways.. so I’ll take what I can get😜 🤭 Thank you for being you! Wishing you and your family a happy and healthy new year! ✨❤️

[@rhays615]

Thanks!

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

You are so welcome. Thank you.

[@bertajolie7304]

Thank you Emily for covering this

[@dabailey1000]

Maybe a silly question but why was he allowed to enter court without handcuffs or feet cuffs

[@annie-zw9yl]

Thank you for everything, especially the great commentary! 💜

[@peppywood01]

Oh no! Emily, you sound like you have a cold!! Prayers! 💕💕

[@tammyguessbeckham2212]

Thank you!! Starting my NewYear right!! Just joined !!!!

[@elizabethvinas7873]

A gruesome one, not your usual niche, but your expertise is appreciated.

[@Stamour79]

Fabulous channel- so glad to have found you!

[@JulieeeB]

Thank you Emily. You are so appreciated. 💜

[@IrishAiden]

I wanted to thank you for covering this case! I am aware that cases like this can be triggering for you, with your history, and am eternally grateful that you would do this for us Law Nerds 💜💜💜

[@MsAqua55]

Emily: I live in N Idaho, he had to cross a state line to go fr his apt. To the murder scene. It’s a regular thing - 2 Universities 6 miles a part state line between. There’s a bike path!

[@melissacoxen6001]

We live somewhat close together. I grew up in north Idaho, but currently live just over state line in Washington.

[@brittanyleach2542]

Emily, I found you via TheLawyerYouKnow and LawandLumber. I watched you during the DB trial. I am so excited to have found you! Your badassery is my absolute favorite! I absolutely love your purple hair and your commentary! Just wanted to send some love. Texas high school teacher and band mom here for all the cursey words and awesomeness! Keep the content flowing!

[@minniemegs787]

thank you for this safe space EDB! I love your zero tollerance policy for " thunder dome".

[@jameswilliams3t]

Hello 🤗

[@nicoleknight5801]

Coming from someone who has a fiance and a sister in law that is an attorney I can really appreciate you doing your thing at home. It is horrible. Especially those that do family law. It's rough in those streets. You have so many emotions from your clients wanting to contact you at all hours of the night and using their emotions to deal with their situation instead of your advice. And then want to blame you for the things you suggested they don't do. It's ALOT of stress. I commend you for turning your skill into an awesome channel. I love your videos.

[@MichelleSMV]

This whole thing is both terrifying and depressing. My heart goes out to the victims, their families and the survivors 😢

[@sulyharris8900]

Thank you for taking the time to give your thoughtful and measured analysis on this case. In the midst of this very dark, tragic material, I appreciated your Buc-ee’s shoutout! (I live waaay too far north to visit Buc-ee’s and really miss it.)

[@jthayer479]

I read an article that Bryan had Pennsylvania plates at the time of the murder and had to update to Washington plates 5 days later due to his annual renewal/having been in Washington for a certain period of time. So, it's possible that he had no front license plate (Pennsylvania plates) during the murders and then did have a front license plate (Washington plates) at the time of the stop.

[@ObjectionHearsay]

I heard this too, along with the records from searching the VIN number of the car I believe. I can't remember which channel though.

[@kc910]

No need to go by what you heard. It’s all covered in the pca and by EDB in this video. 🙂

[@ObjectionHearsay]

@@kc910 good point 😄👍

[@karenbennett3662]

In April 2022 it took me 2 months to get my WA plates, he got them pretty fast if he applied after the murder and had them on his car by the 18th.

[@JoTheExPat]

PA doesn’t require front plates.