The Idaho Murders, Affidavit Summary and Shocking Defamation Lawsuit | Lawyer Reacts

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

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[@TheAislynnRose]

Do you think since the person being sued is a Tarot reader online, that she might have some kind of disclaimer stating something like "for entertainment only...". Would that cover her legally against defamation per se'???

[@poponachtschnecke]

Could Ashley use sincerely held beliefs, or an outdated law pertaining to the occult, or spirits, or acts of God as a defense?!

[@kayleebrummett120]

Jen Shah is serving her 6.5 years in my hometown, lol. Wonder what will go on when she gets there.

[@Chripchripchrip]

Emily getting checks between taking breaths at this point lol

[@suzimonkey345]

Does anyone know how large/small an area is actually meant by ‘In the area 12 times before…”? Does it mean that he drove past the house?…or could it be, ‘He got coffee from a local shop down the road’? …or visiting a friend who lives on the next street? Is there good reason to drive around there? Is it a busy road? I thought that they could pinpoint an exact location with gps on modern phones…but that wouldn’t be, “in the area”??!!? I’m confused??? 😅

[@Melly01]

I always thought I could take care of myself. Took defense classes, had my ex-LEO-husband train with me, felt quite confident in what I would do if presented with someone trying to harm me. However ... when confronted with a surprising situation that was potentially harmful, I simply dropped the bag I was carrying, put my hands over my face and tried to scream. Miss-Confident-and-Very-Prepared completely froze, couldn't move and the scream wouldn't even come out. So ... there's that. No one knows how they'll react and you can think you know all you want, but you 100% don't. Until it happens to you. THEN you will know how YOU react, not how that applies to anyone else.

[@carenfarmer4794]

I did that too when I got robbed at the convenience store I worked overnight at. I knew I could get robbed, thought, just hand over the $$, all is well. I totally broke down after. Having the gun pointed at me (head, chest, back) did something to me.

[@Melly01]

@@carenfarmer4794 Hell yes that would do something to you! I'm so sorry you went through that. I hope you had an opportunity to work through that experience and all of the resulting feelings and issues with someone. That's a lot! ❤

[@xoxolivgrace]

I had some boys kick my front door open in the middle of the night in high school because of stupid drama. I snapped straight up and screamed my head off. Not a subtle response at all. Everyone responds differently.

[@coolsprings6420]

Thanks for sharing this

[@patscats2080]

Me too. I’ve taken judo and karate classes, both my husband and I did and we practiced at home. But when something shocking happens I didn’t know how I’d react. One day I was home sick, and I woke up to 20 police all over my property with a helicopter hovering over the house. They had been chasing a illegal gun and drug dealer who was hiding on my property. I was terrified. As they were looking I walked out to the front yard and discovered him hiding between a trellis and the house. I was rooted to the spot. Mouth didn’t work, nor did my legs.

[@MilesMilesCrocodiles]

This morning Ashley Banfield on News Nation interviewed a woman whose roommate was killed when she was in college. She talked about what it was like to have seen the murder scene and it didn't occur to her that there was blood all over until the paramedic pointed it out. Your brain will do funny things to protect your emotions when you are in horrible situations.

[@mermaiddiyartist8119]

😢😮 that’s sooo horrible

[@curveappeal8180]

Sounds a lot like the Amanda Knox case!

[@mvalenzuela6739]

I saw this interview. Let’s not forget, Bundy did the same thing. Killed 4 out of 6. Could have been the prerogative the whole time. Do some Bundy, do some gacy, do some BTK. Who knows???? From the affidavit, doesn’t sound like dude saw her, but she saw him. Could have had a panic attack and passed out. Could have had a panic attack, took a Xanax, and passed out. No one but her knows.

[@mvalenzuela6739]

@@JeremiahAlphonsus I think it’s a bit egregious as well, but we don’t know what happened. She could have had a panic attack and passed out. Could have taken a Xanax, and passed out. We don’t know… only she does.

[@christinemiller1967]

@@JeremiahAlphonsusshe has no explaining to do. She was in shock. What could she have done? They were stabbed multiple times and already dead.

[@The_Distractinator]

I love how you approach this case with compassion for those involved while focusing on the objective aspects of the case. It makes me sad to see the all the speculation regarding the victims, the families, and especially the surviving roommates…

[@sherrythiel6505]

i think we also need to account for the fact that she didn’t leave. something happened to her and/or didn’t think of threat. she stayed in that home for 8 hours

[@Enjemnsnens]

I’ve seen some people say DM “isn’t a victim”…. Like hello??? Her house was broken into and four of her roommates (friends!!) were brutally murdered. Of course she’s a victim…people have been so awful about it though.

[@lenamcguire2659]

Yes she is a victim but she is also still alive and maybe some of the other victims could have still been alive too if the room-mate didn't wait 7-8 hours to call for help.

[@Enjemnsnens]

@@lenamcguire2659 like many others who have been in these types of houses have explained: you don’t call the cops everytime you see an unfamiliar person in your house. This case has made me realize how few people have experienced these “party houses”. In the town I went to school in, they were these big old Victorian homes chopped up in anything from 6-8 bedrooms, two entrances, multiple staircases, main lighting source at night is just a string of Christmas lights or some shit, your roommates let their friends use their bed for threesomes, at least one of your roommates sells weed and MDMA, and people are getting blackout drunk on a Monday night. There can be two separate parties happening in the same house. Seeing someone leave like that might be weird, and you wouldn’t call out to them because you know the person is probably sketchy, but not call the cops level sketchy. It would be the kind of thing that makes perfect sense after the fact. Saying “oh she should have called the cops right away” only tells me that YOU are inexperienced with how these living situations work. The idea that the person she’d seen had just killed her roommates and wasn’t just hooking up with someone or doing a late night drug deal wouldn’t have occurred to her at all. Like I lived in one of these homes in school. So many nights I heard thumps, crying, people I’d never seen leaving…I always poked my head out exactly like DM. Saw nothing. not one of those times had any of my roommates even been assaulted, let alone murdered.

[@lenamcguire2659]

@@Enjemnsnens she heard them saying someone is here and crying which she thought was so strange she kept looking out the door to see what was going on and then a sketchy person walking out of the house all those things added up says call the police because this is not a normal party house situation.

[@MadameCorgi]

@@lenamcguire2659 I hate it when people try to place blame on her for their deaths. She had absolutely no way to know what had happened. So judgemental. They only person responsible is the killer, no good can come out of accusing her of contributing to their deaths. We don't even know if their injuries were treatable anyway.

[@Enjemnsnens]

@@lenamcguire2659 you call the cops every time your roommate cries? Did you read my comment at all explaining the way things in these houses go? You see people you don’t know ALL the time. People will always try and reassure themselves. “When you hear hoofbeats, it’s probably a horse, not a zebra”. How was DM supposed to know this was the 0.0000001% of times it was a fucking zebra? She probably thought someone had a bad hookup. Or the couple had a fight and she didn’t want to get involved. It’s so fucking smug and arrogant for you to sit there and tell someone else what they should have done when you don’t even understand the lifestyle of living in one of those houses.

[@oliviamarcus5362]

No offence. As former roommate, I did NOT interact with my roommates. Minimal contact, if needed. I kept noise canceling earphones in or played youtube 24/7. People cried over relationships, fought with friends and partners or had parties. I did NOT engage or involve myself. This isn't an American teen movie. A lot of people are going through their own stuff in post secondary and people are NOT trying to get involved with one another, in fact a lot of roommates have beef. Everyone is trying to respect the little privacy these multiple roommate households have. Most houses are owned by one person and the residents have contracts spanning from 3 months, 6 months, 9 months and a year. Sometimes people are new roommates or people leave and you have no clue. People clearly haven't had this experience, based off the attacks on this girl. She was nice to open her door. I can't even imagine doing that. I'd lock my door and put my earphones in. People think they'd do better, insane. All these people who probably live alone or with their parents

[@afriendorfoe]

I think she did what you said, she just looked but didn't bother checking. She probably thought it was guest. Then went back to bed and was going to check in the morning. But I don't think she froze in fear and passed out like some ppl are claiming. I don't think she knew what was going on.

[@oliviamarcus5362]

@Lilman Yellow I don't think it's really sad or heartless. Moving away for school is hard. It's not the fantasy world people think it is. As if you'll become one big family, these aren't your friends or your classmates and as previously mentioned can be different people month to month. You're young, and on your own for the first time. You're working and going to school and you don't know these people. There aren't formal meet and greets. You're all strangers under a roof, paying way too much for a room. Would you like , if you were having a big fight with a partner for your roommate , who is a stranger to get involved? It's embarrassing. Everyone is trying to be as respectful of privacy and space as possible. Unless someone knocks on your door, you're not trying to intrude on people's buisess. Your idealism on the world is admirable, but what happened isn't a crime of humanity or a deconstruction of society. As Emily said, people like to believe there would be a different outcome or that they would be different. It's clear you've never had to live with strangers, otherwise it would be pretty understandable how this could happen. It's not about being uncaring or cold, it's reality. A lot of people are uncomfortable living with strangers. The etiquette is, you keep as quite as possible, clean, don't narc to the landlord and don't be a pest. Most roommates don't say more than 'hi' or 'bye' unless they are your friends or classmates....which is rare.

[@catherinelynnfraser2001]

You take the room you can get at the best place you can afford and tolerate the housemates you get. You might make friends, you might not. You might fit in, you might not. You may be looking around for new accommodation by the end of the semester or moving in with a new best friend or partner. I get it. I also understand not wanting to interfere with the comings and goings on the party floor or being shocked by what you see or think you see or being frozen. We don’t know what is going on yet.

[@marjuska9833]

I've been wondering why people assume they all were like best friends or friends. They were roommates and we don't know.

[@kmacd5694]

Thanks! 1 year, 11 months, 27 days my 24 month member anniversary is approaching. Thank you for the legal education for me, the lay-person. So happy to see your channel grow. Thank you fellow law nerds for being here with me too 💜💜💜💜

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

Thank you so much for your support K! I can't wait to see your incredible Gold Gavel!!!

[@joshmccarty8800]

Man I hope the girl that survived is getting the help she needs

[@johannawigg6921]

And I hope she knows not everyone is blaming her or judging her .. poor kid

[@joshmccarty8800]

@@johannawigg6921 yea even in the military there is a saying that all planning goes out the window at first contact. And all their training is how to handle that deadly encounter which this child doesn’t have. Hopefully there’s no survivors guilt or ptsd.

[@chartmann43]

Where is the other roommate? Aside from DM?

[@DennisWalker-xs2me]

What help? The murderer is already in custody so she's not in danger anymore.

[@chartmann43]

@@DennisWalker-xs2me therapy help!

[@leslierutledge7196]

One thing about the time of DM’s call to police was that she knew that roommates were up very late that night and sleeping in very late would not have been at all unusual or weird for a young person, especially for those who had been up until the early morning hours.

[@johannawigg6921]

Exactly... why do so many people not see this as normal

[@Rain_Reign]

@@johannawigg6921 seriously. Has no one attended college???

[@bluefinch6504]

For anyone who has ever been to college, it is not uncommon for students to stay up all night and sleep most of the day. Even young people in other education programs will do that. I believe there is something about human growth that creates that. A human brain is not really fully mature and grown until the age of 25. I believe the weird sleep patterns of late teens and early twenties is part of that last brain growth spurt.

[@feralLove]

@Lilman Yellow the time lapse of 8 hrs before calling 911 is fishy

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

@@bluefinch6504 Agreed. Especially on a Saturday night/Sunday morning.

[@emilyferguson9835]

I’m glad Emily is addressing the surviving roommate’s importance to the investigation. It was really saddening to see a bunch of law needs in the initial livestream victim blaming the witness that was integral to catching the murderer.

[@bettedaviseyes9312]

Yes I was so disappointed that people couldn't fathom how someone could react in a way they don't think they would have acted. When the truth is you don't know until things happen what will happen. Freezing is definitely a thing that happens often.

[@bettedaviseyes9312]

Sorry if that doesn't make much sense 🤭😂

[@innocentnemesis3519]

It was so disgusting to see how quickly everyone started questioning this girl for surviving a literal murderer instead of questioning the motives of the alleged killer - especially after such a thorough affidavit. I hope she knows we are glad she survived. 💔🕊

[@hazelhadley-britt6396]

Which of the lawyers victim blamed? Not one that I watched did. Commentors a different story.

[@wompppwompwomppp]

@@JeremiahAlphonsus Dress has absolutely nothing to do with being sexually assaulted. If you aren't wearing a helmet are you consenting to me hitting you over the head? Because why would you leave it exposed like that if you didnt want me to bash ya? You think a 5 year old in overalls is dressing provocatively? You are not welcome in this community if that is how you view women and the world.

[@DanGleebowls]

Another example of TikTok being an absolute blight on society, I hope the poor professor gets justice and doesn't suffer any lasting negative consequences due to a clout chaser who thinks they are untouchable.

[@Annie1962]

I refuse to have the app.

[@googliebear]

@@Annie1962 no one should have it lol

[@jessicamckinney9825]

I am so happy DM is still alive! Having to witness what happened and then knowing your four friends are now dead is absolutely horrendous!

[@bluefinch6504]

Plus I believe she witnessed and heard a whole lot more. Her room is in the middle of the house by the main walkways. She would hear most everything. While BF’s room is the furthest removed from everything else. If she indeed did not hear or see anything, that is why.

[@feralLove]

She didn't witness what happened. She said she heard nothing.

[@BrendaT24]

Can you imagine the guilt that survivor feels? People need to be kind to her and not accusatory

[@Rae777]

If information comes out that implicates her, then that’s one thing. But idk why people are condemning her and jumping to conclusions based on 2 sentences from her witness statement.

[@Rae777]

@Lilman Yellow I would love to see where you learned her story. As far as I know we have no clue what happened immediately after the interaction at 4AM because that wasn't relative to probable cause for BK's arrest.

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

I'm not saying we should accuse her of involvement, but the truth is -- it is appropriate that she feel guilty. We would need to find out something _wild,_ like she fainted, hit her head on the floor, and didn't wake up until the morning (which can't actually be true in this case, but something like that) for her not to have had a responsibility to call the police. Even if she was frightened -- which I have no doubt she was. Social expectations help people produce desirable behavior. It is a worthy social expectation that, in this circumstance, a person should call 911. If you were in a similar situation in the future, I would hope your roommate would think to themselves, "I'm too scared -- but I don't want to end up like that Idaho girl," and make the call.

[@janicedahlman8715]

@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 If it was a party house with an open door most of the time (as I read somewhere), then drugs, alcohol, loud music, could have been involved explaining the roommate passing out til noon.

[@loopvil369]

@@Rae777 isn't it obvious..

[@Kimi1968ful]

DM could have easily said she slept through everything and saved herself all of the horrible speculation. Thank God she came forward with what she saw and heard.

[@gothgammy666]

Lying wouldn’t have helped her

[@glamvan24]

@@gothgammy666 She would regret it for all eternity. Brave girl she is

[@Kimi1968ful]

@Lilman Yellow but you don't know that she was on her phone. Where does it say that?

[@JordanLeigh]

@@Kimi1968fulthe affidavit stated she was on TikTok (I believe it was DM, at least) and it was part of the evidence building the timeline for when things happened.

[@susannakluiver4428]

@@JordanLeigh they mentioned Xana was on TikTok not DM

[@MC-zh3sd]

I’ve lived in a house with 4 other roommates and it would be rare I would ever go and inquire about a noise unless it was a call for help. If I saw someone in the house I didn’t recognize, I would literally think it was just a roommates guest. It wasn’t rare that I’d see someone I didn’t recognize in the hallway going to the bathroom or kitchen. I understand why people have questions but it was completely normal and reasonable to me that she stayed in her bedroom.

[@mariee.5912]

Agree. People are talking about the face covering like if we need to explain how popular face covering are.

[@morepeaspls]

@lilmanyellow8652 it wasn't multiple roommates that said "someone is here" additionally the surviving roommate didn't hear the thud. Re-read the probable cause affidavit. You've got some "facts" mixed up.

[@crl62089]

Agreed! Everyone keeps assuming it’s a robbers mask but the affidavit only said it covered his nose and mouth…sounds like the typical COVID mask 😷 based on that information.

[@FullMoonOctober]

@@morepeaspls Don't bother with them. They just want to reply to every comment to bash the surviving roommate with whatever bs excuse/reason they can come up with.

[@mariee.5912]

@Lilman Yellow Did the affidavid says "robber's mask" or a mask covering nose and mouth?

[@lindy2]

DM did the right thing. She survived and was crucial to getting BCK arrested. She likely saved more people from being murdered. She doesn't need this grief from these bullies

[@earld158]

she isn't what got him arrested. Her testimony is simply a little icing on the cake

[@galadrielculnamo2626]

@@lilmanyellow8652easy to be an ‘Armchair Quarterback’. We have the benefit of hindsight. She didn’t.

[@mariokarter13]

"How could she wait 8 hours to call the police?" She was awake at 4 in the morning. She probably went to sleep because she had no idea what happened yet.

[@lindy2]

Either she was frozen in terror for hours or she went to bed because she didn't know what happened, or another reason. We will find out one day. In the meantime people who are judging her online without knowing what happened are being cruel. She's a victim, too. I hope she is getting trauma therapy and has been able to access money from the victims of crime funding. People say they would know what they would do. You don't. I grew up in a very violent home. When different situations have happened in my adult life sometimes I am able to act with a clear head and sometimes I freeze up and am immobile. Nobody knows how they are going to act or react. This young woman and the other survivors,of this house and everywhere, did the very best they could in the situations they were in. Stop victim blaming!

[@hGrugs]

Re: the surviving roommate D. Just because the PCA states that she saw him, what he was wearing etc. doesn’t mean that it doesn’t leave out other key details to protect the case. Maybe he waived a bloody knife at her, threatened her…we just don’t know.

[@amyskull7543]

extremely good point.

[@chris_822]

She saw a guy right? If it was me, I'd assume they were my housemates friend or partner, not someone who'd kill them or who had killed them. I live with a bunch of women and I still don't know who everyone is. Let alone if we had guests... That poor roommate.

[@lisavalentine8877]

When I was a roommate, if I heard noises from other rooms I would not have flung my door open all the way. If I was going to take a peak to see if something was going on, I would have opened the door just a crack. If that was the case with DM & she didn't have a light on in her room, she could have seen the man in the hallway, but he might not have noticed that her door was even open. Plus, he was probably worn out (stabbing 4 people to death in 15 - 20 minutes would have been tiring) and focused on getting out.

[@doobiecfoogle]

Totally agree!!

[@rachelforgione3957]

Scary but I didn’t think of it that way

[@Rae777]

Much agreed.

[@mvalenzuela6739]

I don’t think he saw her. Or, if he did, he was on some Bundy shit, and specifically left 2 and killed 4.

[@meganharison3742]

If you look at the layout of the house, there was a neon “good vibes” sign on the wall (on what would have been his right, with DMs door on the left) If that was on- it would have kept him from seeing much else in front of him

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

When I found out my dad was terminally ill I went into shock for 4 days. I was awake 36 hours without even realizing. I was completely disassociated. You never know what your brain is going to do under that much stress.

[@robertlavigne6560]

It's common knowledge that college students generally have many different people in their home or dorm. There are study groups and relationships that develop. I don't think the witness did anything wrong. And I definitely have compassion for the survivors guilt that individual feels.

[@annem7806]

FYI, I froze too. It was decades ago, but if I hadn't frozen, the man in my apt would have known I was awake & likely hurt me.

[@Rain_Reign]

Freezing is a legitimate biological survival strategy. I’m glad you made it through that situation.

[@angelaseymour4464]

Did you freeze until dinnertime the next day??

[@JW-ko6gq]

@@angelaseymour4464 We can't dictate how someones body deals with a traumatic shock. You can't control how your own body will deals with Traumatic shock. Compassion is required.

[@jordanquersher6659]

THIS THANK YOU! Like for all she knew he was still in the house and if she made a noise or opened the door she could’ve died or been injured along with the roommates. She saw a man in the home with only his eyes exposed in dark clothing after hearing someone’s in the house and crying. I’d probably have waited too until I knew for sure it was safe to call.

[@nikkie5912]

"I'm sorry, I didn't even give you a warning that I was going on a tangent because I didn't know it was happening" and the look on your face when you gave the "warning".... oh Emily, you are delightfully wonderful!

[@agent_ninety9]

Emily, you integrity is a breath of fresh air. I'm so sad & disgusted what the public has done to the sole witness ( a victim & survivor) my heart breaks but I'm so angry at people too. Thank you for standing with her & announcing it on such a large audience 💜💜💜 you're a beautiful human

[@HeyItsMeChelseyOnYouTube]

Thank you for being with me as I work. You are such a valuable member of society and I appreciate you and your content. 🖤

[@NicolaMaxwell]

Still not a clue who Jen Shaw is and I think I'll stay that way. Thank you so much for timestamps mods!👍

[@amyskull7543]

me neither. i hate reality tv with the fire of a thousand suns but I do love the shade Emily brings

[@mariee.5912]

😆 a member of one of the house wife. I don't really know and I am just like you. Happy status.

[@mariee.5912]

@@amyskull7543 😆 all I know from her is because of Emily. I like the tea and the shade.

[@theresamitchell8896]

A Real Housewife. Masterminded a scam, bilking old people out of money over the phone (yeah, she's got a spot in *that* level of h--l). Her apologies all give very "I'm sorry my actions are making you feel some kind of way." energy.

[@sandybydesign1629]

So grateful that the two room-mates survived. This is so comforting that this despicable creep did not take more from our world than he already took! Just think of how significant this fact is to all of the friends, family and the millions of companionate people following this tragedy. Blessings and privacy to these two young ladies who are recovering and mourning their 4 friends that were taken violently and at such a young age.

[@patscats2080]

From what DM stated she did not know that four people had been murdered. All she knew was the few facts she stated on the probable cause. There were people coming and going in that house with people on three floors. She was unaware of the extent of anything else than a couple of comments and a dog barking. I wouldn’t have called the police either at that point. It wasn’t until later she realized what happened at that time. We all know what happened, but during the time she saw that guy in black she didn’t know. It could have been a “friend” of one of the roommates. When people are shocked she didn’t call, we’re looking at it through our knowledge of what actually happened. I hope people realize that what DM is going through now is horrible and will affect the rest of her life.

[@afriendorfoe]

Your comment is contradicting. She saw a guy, didnt know who, went to bed, didnt know what happened, and didnt check on roommates. That's it. She wasn't frozen in fear. She saw someone she didn't know leave so she went back to bed. Which we do know it was a party house and ppl were up beforehand. And her statement matters if there are holes in it then he could walk free.

[@angelaseymour4464]

She was either “frozen in fear” or she wasn’t. Of course she didn’t know murders had occurred. So why would she be scared?? If she was that scared, why not text her roommates? Her statement just doesn’t make sense. Not accusing her of anything…. Just trying to understand what she has said.

[@greenthumbnail1831]

Thank you for supporting the surviving roommate. I think I may have been so afraid I would have frozen too. My heart goes out to the victims and their families. ♥️🙏🏻

[@margaretyoung5412]

Thank you Emily for outlining this defamation case. My sympathies (if that’s the right word) are totally with the professor. I can’t imagine being placed in this position in a public forum. Thank you as always for your succinct and sassy input.

[@elizabethmccready]

The professor and the poor kid being dragged into it too. He's probably grieving his ex and feeling all kinds of feelings, and now having to deal with some lunatic on the internet calling him an accomplice.

[@veronicabaranowski6976]

The surviving room mate did the right thing - secured her safety and then reported the crime. I sincerely hope she is in a safe location and has people she can trust around her.

[@feralLove]

You fail to mention that she waited 7 hours before calling 911. Think it actually wasn't her who made the initial call.

[@FullMoonOctober]

@@feralLove Okay, and? That tends to happen to people that witness something traumatic. Some people go YEARS without coming forward out of fear or mental-health based blocks. She talked to investigators the next day with as much information as she could give, and it helped to solve the case in a surprisingly quick timeframe compared to similar crimes in the past.

[@afriendorfoe]

Well I wouldn't say right thing. I think she did what she was going to. She probably thought it was just a guest and went back to sleep. I think some ppl are having a hard time that there were 4 murders and no checking on roommates but I think ppl forget it was 12 minutes. That's not long at all. So she probably went back to bed not because she was frozen but bc she didn't know. I also think some ppl are exaggerating way too much about her story, saying she passed out or had trauma or triggered. I've reported someone for acting ppl for just commenting a theory of DM (no insults or bullying) but they think it's okay bc they think they're protecting DM when in reality it's making it worse.

[@nataliemoreno9561]

The fact that the tiktok woman had her account banned and created a new one and just kept right on going with her misinformation is wild.

[@angela2k1]

Sadly the original account is still up as well as the backup account and she is still going. It's bananas.

[@nataliemoreno9561]

@Angela Williams yikes. Imagine being that detached from reality

[@angela2k1]

I just realized I saw the backup account where she is still going and there is yet another backup account attached to this one. Just wanted to clarify my mistake that the original account is still going.

[@nataliemoreno9561]

@Angela Williams lol double yikes. Original account or not, she should recognize its time to stop.

[@MsCelticFlame]

As a tarot card reader I can say, Ashley crosses every ethical boundary I know. IF you did indeed get any information about a crime you, privately, take it to the police, you DO NOT outright call someone a murderer (over 100 videos ) on a damn tic tok channel!

[@SnapesHoney2800]

Exactly, and Tarot cards don't work like she is claiming that they do. You don't get names. You can focus on a person once you have a name. Otherwise it is general information, glimpses, shadows and you can ask for clarification. But it is never set in stone. And you always have to be mindful of the energy you might let in. She is reckless and unethical in her actions.

[@lyndachele]

Tarot readings are not "evidence" in a court of law.

[@boanoah6362]

THEY ARE SLIPS OF CARDBOARD! You get NOTHING from a tarot card reading, it's random, I guarantee the police do not need anything you gleaned from pulling cards. For the love of whatever higher power you believe in please do not go to the fucking police with card readings, they have far far far more important things to do. Further, no, tarot is not valid evidence in a goddamn murder case! PEOPLE WERE BRUTALLY MURDERED, GET A GRIP!!!

[@pollydowdlepolly]

I'm a British university student and this case made the news over here. It stuck with me how terrifying it would be to realise a man you thought was a hookup or friend of your housemate was actually their murderer. And the survivors guilt must be awful the poor things, I can't imagine having thousands of people on the internet say such horrible things either. And the TikTok girlie needs psychiatric help! You can't make stuff up and blame it on tarot cards when it could have ruined people's lives.

[@kelleywyskiel8513]

The tarot reader has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and bragged in a video about how she doesn’t need her meds… So you’re definitely right.

[@chris_822]

I live with a bunch of women and we have certain rules about guests, but if we were in a situation where guests were allowed at all times, I'd definitely assume the guest was a friend/partner and not someone who'd harm them! That poor person.

[@johnbowersox738]

Hopefully, this will began to show people that they will be held accountable for what they say as apparently, they didn't learn from Amber. Thank you Emily and keep being awesome!

[@hazelhadley-britt6396]

It is not just the professor. It is also Jack, the ex. And now people are starting with the alleged murderers family.

[@d-dar]

I love the way you present things for us, so thank you!

[@sharonward1232]

Thanks

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

Thank you!

[@sachabailey9724]

I genuinely think the roommate didn’t really understand the extent of what was going on. There was whimpering and dogs barking (as far as we know), but no obvious screaming. As a uni student living with others, you kind of expect friends and whoever to be in your house whenever. Maybe she just thought he was a friend or partner of one of her other roommates. She didn’t see any blood, she didn’t see a weapon. Yes he was wearing a face covering but it was cold outside so maybe she thought that wasn’t a big deal? I feel for the roommate, I bet she feels awful. Thank you for covering this Emily, you always make everything informative and compassionate x

[@wompppwompwomppp]

tiktok "psychicis" make me sick. The audacity and illness that goes into harassing the families this way is scary and shocking.

[@mermaiddiyartist8119]

They give real tarot readers a bad name. 😢 they don’t all act a fool like her. They don’t call themselves psychic. It’s horrible what she’s done to that teacher and everyone else😢

[@Ellzy1]

All “psychics” make me sick tbh. I mean, caveat emptor, I guess? But preying on the gullible, the grieving, the unsuspecting is on the same level as thief to me.

[@wompppwompwomppp]

@@mermaiddiyartist8119 As much as I enjoy a good tarot session, there is absolutely no scientific evidence for any of it so I just take it as a fun activity to reflect on what's going on in my life and leave it at that. Just about every one I have seen do lots of cold readings and come across a lot like this lady in the video unfortunately.

[@wompppwompwomppp]

@@Ellzy1 Agreed, I used to believe in that stuff but once I realized its all a scam it just upsets me.

[@Spiritualpanda2]

I follow one. She’s very ethical and was 90% or more correct on everything before anything was given to the public. So much so I am going to use her services in the future. Her channel is psychic sleuth. The ones I follow have helped out with other cases in the past with great information. But you’re right most channels really set me off because you KNOW they’re just fakes and are looking for clout.

[@elizabethscrivner6891]

I think people will NOT stop digging or talking about this at all.And I am sooo grateful for how you handle it all with awesomeness! 💜

[@maryhendrickson2408]

Thank you Emily for explaining step by step how the investigation led to BK. I've listened to several commentator go through it and your explanation is the clearest.

[@kimmie7379]

Thank you for your grace towards the the surviving roommates. If they were involved at any point they would have been arrested like Brian Walshe. Thank you again for your summary and factual information.

[@kendramuah]

Thank you so much for standing up for the victims! Some have lost sight that Dylan is a victim 😢😢.

[@JDLoveisLove]

Good afternoon, Emily & Law Nerds, still home sick but still negative for Covid. Thank God 🙏🏻 Have a great day 💜

[@suebrubaker6182]

Feel better soon

[@susanlewis8706]

Hope you feel better soon. I tested positive for Covid on Christmas day, I'm negative but still feeling yucky

[@JDLoveisLove]

@@suebrubaker6182 Thank you 💜

[@JDLoveisLove]

@@susanlewis8706 I can understand, I had Covid earlier this year, it takes a while to stop feeling yucky 🙏🏻🙏🏻💜

[@JDLoveisLove]

@@shellos8 Thank you 🙏🏻 you do the same 💜

[@AmberWilliams]

one thing people need to learn about the legal process when it comes to pretrial information is that the investigators will “teach you everything you know, but not everything they know”. speculation is not needed when we don’t know probably 70% of what’s happened in the investigation. there’s a chance they already know why there was a gap between the phone call and the roommate seeing the defendant, why there were parties who didn’t live in the house there that morning when the cops arrived, why it wasn’t the roommate who called when it was their phone, why it was reported as an unconscious person. we don’t know, and we don’t deserve to.

[@John-hp9mv]

I'm surprised the tiktoker didn't see this lawsuit coming in the cards🤔

[@kelleywyskiel8513]

Hahahaha

[@catherinelynnfraser2001]

LOL😂😂😂

[@Rain_Reign]

The surviving roommate is a HERO. Period. I hope she’s getting the support she needs right now.

[@danielles3841]

34:52 thank you for bringing up boundaries for these cases. I'm from the community that lost Harley Dilly, and we had a psychic say that he would be found by water (he was found in a chimney) when we live basically on Lake Erie. What people will do for attention astounds me

[@GEInman]

Thanks for covering the Ashley Guillard / Rebecca Scofield situation.

[@elizabethmarie171]

it's scary to think that if he had just not left the sheath and if he walked to the house rather than driven his own car, we might not have ever known who did it.. O_O

[@jayciel8498]

Emily! after this filing she actually tripled down and made more videos explaining the whole scene and how they are all connected.

[@FullMoonOctober]

I wonder if she ever took an improv class, because she's just "yes, and"ing new details every time someone interacts with her.

[@madiantin]

Thank you so much for not dissing the roommate. My heart aches for her. Not only will she be dealing with major survivor's guilt, but also having what must feel like the whole world be angry at her and say such terrible things about her...I just can't imagine what the poor girl is going through right now.

[@desertsunset8025]

If she did diss the roommate I wouldn't ever watch her again , for sure .

[@donnaallen1060]

So true, I had a home invasion. I just did what they asked and prayed my son heard and ran locked himself in the laundry room. I then prepared to be raped and then killed. I was held down and a gun pressed to the back of my head. I was in shock my only thought was my son. He was safe and had a phone and was on 911 the entire time. Once. They took what they wanted, they left. But u have know idea how u will react or will do.

[@sidneybales9062]

Emily got a shout out on The Lawyer You Know. “Facts not fuckery.”

[@GrandmaRobyn]

My two favorites. Emily and Peter.💟

[@lindaperrine680]

Love Peter

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

All of them use her verbiage lol. She has seeped her language into everyone lol

[@kaskus7147]

I think everyone should sue Ashley. The parents of the victims, the other person she implicated in this, the survivor, and anyone else that could possibly be harmed by her bullshit.

[@turtlemom717]

I love your videos. I have seen everything since the JD/AH trial. I end up having to break your videos up recently because your voice is so soothing I fall asleep. But I want to know all the things!

[@EmperorOfMan]

Still waiting on just one of these true crime websleuth channels to apologize to the ex boyfriend. They tried to destroy that kid

[@pelleoh]

They just give excuses to Kohberger and protects his family atm and I've seen the very same people harass and bad mouthing the surviving victim/eyewitness. So don't expect anything kind from these people.

[@hazelhadley-britt6396]

I am also waiting for it. When I asked one of the channels to stop asking people to report his evidence in the video's about Jack, I was told he looks like an incel and he is guilty of the act. No due process. No innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. No arrest by the police. No information to support the accusation by the channel.

[@hazelhadley-britt6396]

@pelleoh The alleged killers family also do not need to be harrassed or accused.

[@pelleoh]

@@hazelhadley-britt6396 Why is that more important than harassing the victims, friends and family? We don't even know if his parents knew nor if they will continue to defend him even if it's proven that he did this. I have no compassion for them because I don't trust them but I'm not harassing them online, and that's what others can do too. Just not talk about them.

[@hazelhadley-britt6396]

@pelleoh you think that only victims family and friends are victims at times like this? You think they should be harrassed, attacked and accused of stuff like the professor and Jack (the ex) have been? This case has shown that many are selective when it comes to believing in due process. Even amongst those who follow lawyers. Absolutely disgusting mobs who do not care whom they destroy as long as their emotional needs are met. Emily calls for due process does she not? Yip.

[@DEWarriorwitch]

People ragging on the roommate need to stop. JUST STOP. She was probably sound asleep, was disoriented and then finally registered someone in the house who wasn't supposed to be there. Freeze response is a REAL THING.

[@DEWarriorwitch]

@Lilman Yellow so what should she have done? It's easy to be an armchair warrior when you've not been in that situation. Just stop.

[@desertsunset8025]

@Lilman Yellow um.. FBI and police heard her whole story , that isn't blindly !! You , on the other hand , haven't heard all the circumstances and blindly want to find fault . That's sick .

[@afriendorfoe]

@@desertsunset8025 but u don't have the information either. It's called being objective bc our society is very much victims mentality now a days. Per the afd, she heard strange noises, saw a stranger, went to sleep. Didnt check on them. Until more information is released we don't actually know for sure what she did. And it's sick that ppl keep saying "she was in shock, she passed out, she knew what was going on but didn't know" at least some are being objective instead of trying to psychoanalysis and pity the crap out of her. The worms are out of the can. The more ppl keep telling ppl to stop talking about her the more she will be talked about.

[@afriendorfoe]

She did not say she froze! She said she was shocked when she saw the stranger and locked the door and went to bed.

[@DEWarriorwitch]

@@afriendorfoe and what exactly do you think the word "SHOCKED" means?? C'Mon!

[@kpapcupcake7218]

Someone broke into my moms house a few months ago. She woke up around 3:30am from a loud bang. She knew someone was downstairs and she didn't know who, so she chose to believe that it was probably my brothers friend trying to get into the house in the middle of the night on a school night AND WENT BACK TO SLEEP. Everyone was okay and the person was caught and arrested, but the point is that nobody knows how you're going to react in a situation like that. You want to believe in the less terrifying explanation, even if it's not logical because that is the easier thing to tell yourself

[@RiverPaisley]

I watched Andrea Burkhart’s short on DM’s eye witness description of BK yesterday and she said the exact same thing - DM’s contribution is so valuable and she deserves support.

[@intothemindshaft]

My neighbour (rip) was murdered by stabbing in the afternoon c 2009. I was home (crap flat with thin walls) and heard thuds like a car door shutting outside. That was it - very sad and there was nothing to hear at all. I told the police and was a witness in court. The guy had come back from Spain and had murdered someone else as well. Absolute nightmare all round. Drive me nuts for a bit and the memory is still right there. Point being, it’s perfectly possible for a neighbouring roomie to not hear much and/or not recognise the sound when it’s happening. Also there’s absolutely no guide book for how you respond as it’s such an alien event.

[@kelleywyskiel8513]

Oh god I’m so sorry. What a horrific thing to go through.

[@catherinelynnfraser2001]

What a horrific thing to happen to you. I am sure your observation is accurate. The last thing most of us expect is murder and for the most part we don’t interfere with others when it is not clear what is going on.

[@intothemindshaft]

I never talk about it and yes it was totally horrible for everyone. I hope this kid witness gets proper support cos it can spiral into depression fast. Thanks for the kind words x

[@deborahanderson7133]

It took 7 weeks for them to have someone in custody,but I still think it was fast and thorough.

[@mariee.5912]

That's really fast.

[@FullMoonOctober]

I know right? Anyone that's ever seen an episode of Forensic Files knows that kind of crime can take years to solve.

[@afriendorfoe]

And with holidays it was fast

[@mermaiddiyartist8119]

It’s ridiculous how this Tarot reader accused a random professor 😥

[@hazelhadley-britt6396]

And the ex boyfriend, Jack. She accused them both. Other true crime channels have only accused the ex. One of them even put together videos of evidence and asked the audience to possibly report the "facts" to the police.

[@marjuska9833]

Put together videos and asked people to call police??? I wonder if ex-bf also sues people.

[@chebbohagop]

I so appreciate your support of the roommate. Just think if she had not taken steps to protect herself and had gotten murdered. No witness at the apartment.

[@michaelsudduth8174]

Best analysis of the Kohberger PCA I've heard. Clear, cogent, and very insightful. A model of sharp critical thinking.

[@doremilayles]

I hope you will cover some of the Delphi case as it appears to be heading to court somewhat this year. I am from Indiana and there are many people who have been deeply grabbed by the case here. I have been to Delphi I’m the years since the horrendous murders happened and you can tell the community just wants justice and closure.

[@tamirule4216]

I can’t believe someone was allowed to do this 😮 Thank you for keeping us informed Emily ❤

[@haleym]

LAW NERDS UNITE

[@mermaiddiyartist8119]

Yes 🎉.

[@belladavina]

🖤🧘‍♀️

[@stargazerkawaii]

The big question is how loud the murder was and did she hear the murder. If we take the current statement in its entirety, she heard crying. Would that be strange living with that many girls? I'd expect to hear crying from time to time. And she heard some offering help. One would think that might make her less likely to see if anyone needed help. What noise there was eather wasn't loud or unusual enough for her to be curious and investigate. She saw a creepy guy in the house who scared her? Hasn't one of the biggest talking points that there were constantly people coming in and out of the house? I think the fact that there was four victims adds credibility to her story. If the first murders were loud, why wouldn't the other victims call 911 and lock their doors? I honestly don't think I would have called 911 in these circumstances.

[@willnill7946]

The big question how did one man kill 4 people with a knife by himself in a 10 so min timeframe without assistance

[@stargazerkawaii]

@will Nill how do you know it was in 10 minutes? Likely, the sound she thought was someone playing with the dog was actually one of the murders. We also don't know how many times each of the victims were stabbed. Or how long it took for each victim to die. We just don't know.

[@Squeakycroccdocs]

The house had numerous police visits for noise complaints too so I doubt loud noises were unusual

[@stateofcarolina]

I think that if she didn't hear anyone fighting him, the cry was more like a whimper or a few sobs, and if she didn't see BK exiting covered in blood or with a knife in his hand (people are forgetting it was dark), then I feel like after being frozen in shock from seeing someone in their house, she might have just thought some guy broke in to steal something and left with nothing. So why bother calling 911 in that moment? Also, can we be entirely sure her statements were 100% accurate after realizing what had happened and being so traumatized?? Maybe she thought the "someone's here" was coming from upstairs, but it was really Xana. Maybe she actually cried out/whimpered but didn't realize it was herself? (idk if that's possible but again, stressful situation might cause her to remember things differently) Either way, I think people blaming her and saying she should have done this, she should have done that, are wrong. You weren't there. You don't know what the situation was. Also, from what has been reported, it seems there was no chance of saving the 4, even if an ambulance showed up 5 seconds after the attacks.

[@UrsulaPowers]

I am positive the investigators covered this.

[@quiltedart]

"Becca told me too " are the words from a girl who died from a brain tumor in Canada. Her name was Rebecca Scofield. She wanted people to do acts of kindness and say she told them to do the act of kindness. This person is totally using her words and making a mockery of this poor girls life wish!!! Go Emily go!!!

[@jackdough8164]

What?

[@estacarrie3]

@@jackdough8164 It's true. I'm from the town she's from. She's done so much good for our town and her message has spread the world over. It's a shame someone would use her message for anything but good. 😢

[@CursedCorvid.]

Proud to be a law nerd, and happy to join Emily and cover most of the law news with the community! 💛✨ Best corner in the internet ✨

[@weeziebob]

Sweet new opening Emily!!

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

"You can't put the sh*t back in the horse". Got to remember that one !

[@victoriahall6795]

They were roommates living in a house not in on all of each others lives. It’s college! Just because she saw him doesn’t mean she would have immediately thought it was her business or thought he had done anything to roommates.

[@LouiseB228]

“It’s not shah-mazing, it’s just fraud” I love your commentary so much 🤣

[@MystearicaClaws]

I did 't skip the intro this time 😝 love you hahaha haha! 💚💚💚

[@kelleyreeves965]

I'm so glad you're covering the defamation case 👍

[@eh1126]

1:02:45 I think the judge on that case is going to make an example out of this tiktoker and I can’t wait to read the sass lol

[@reach_the_stars]

I had a random person, entered my home with a knife.. my brain went to mush . I had the hardest time trying to call my husband . I wasn't thinking about the police . I wanted my husband and be to safe .

[@WindsofChange]

But you managed to use your dialing/texting finger...right? That's all the internet is angry about. Someone who could have possibly saved lives DIDN'T bother to check on them despite seeing someone who terrified them in the shared home.

[@reach_the_stars]

@@WindsofChange I didn't call my husband right away ....I really don't know how long I hid . I remember not being able to move a muscle . I don't think many people blame her .. she did the best she could .

[@lovelikedrugs]

That sounds terrifying. I’m sorry that happened to you and I’m happy you and your husband made it out of that situation unharmed

[@desertsunset8025]

@Lilman Yellow your talking about moral compass ? and you're accusing an innocent girl of lack of moral compass because she froze with fear ? Wtf is wrong with Your moral compass ?

[@WindsofChange]

@@lilmanyellow8652 RIGHT!

[@Jill199]

I agree! We do need to figure out boundaries for the internet!

[@annieb3359]

The green chef thing while I eat ramen. 😂

[@CanadianGirl0]

Ashley has doubled down. Being sued hasn't changed her tune at all.

[@Fujoshi1412]

Yep. Found that out yesterday, it was wild. The worst part was TikTok thankfully took them down and Ashley made another channel to double down.

[@beulahboi]

Yes she has issues. Serious issues.

[@lindaperrine680]

I feel so bad for the professor and her family. And I would be scared too

[@christalhoughtellingphotog9241]

I’m glad that the roommate survived. First, if he had noticed her, he probably would have murdered her as well. This gave her the opportunity to give a description and a timeline. Without her I’d, who knows how long he could have been out, and what other murders he may have done. Poor girl, it’s going to be something we struggles with forever.

[@notsarah7262]

Needed this distraction. The over stimulation is real today

[@experiencetruth]

Andrea Burkhart also did a video about how key the eyewitness testimony of the roommate was to this investigation. Great minds think alike!

[@bettedaviseyes9312]

I always watch coffee and cursey words does the podcast normally drop on Wednesday I will definitely be looking for it from now on. Love you so big 🥰

[@chelseaofstars]

Usually as long as Emily's recording schedule isn't delayed due to travel.

[@bettedaviseyes9312]

@@chelseaofstars thank you sugar

[@karentompkins6306]

Oooo, the tangent sound is fabulous!

[@ElayaHell]

I have never heard of any of those murders besides Idaho and that is on this channel.

[@cailinanne]

Idk how anyone could think DM getting involved would have done anything besides having produced another tragic death. Seriously. The guy had a knife… he killed 4 people, why would he not add a 5th just because she confronts him? She called the police. She did what she could. If it was me who was already dead, I wouldn’t want my friend to join me if she could avoid it. Period.

[@jadesea562]

"Girl Bossed too close to the Sun" Your intelligence never ceases to surprise me Emily. Bravo 👏👏👏

[@SussexSandra]

I’m glad EDB like Andrea Burkhart is not shaming DM for surviving. The amount of lawtube who are blaming the survivor for literally surviving. It’s disgraceful. The poor girl is probably so traumatised already. Thing is i don’t know for certain that she is totally innocent Nobody will know until the trial. We just have wait for evidence in trial before we can start forming conclusions.

[@Rain_Reign]

Omg!! Who is doing that? I’d just like to know so I can avoid them. I’d be so upset to hear someone talking like that.

[@SussexSandra]

@@Rain_Reign I can tell you who isn’t. Peter Tragos, Andrea, Rob law & lumber, Natalie & of course our own EDB

[@hazelhadley-britt6396]

I have not heard one of "lawtube" victim blaming. I have heard some read comments by people questioning, but not them victim blaming. They even say they will wait until she is called to testify. The nastiness of blame is coming from people making comments. Not just people listening to lawyers, but all channels discussing the case. Saying they do not know why she waited to call is not victim blaming. It is not knowing her mindset at the time. A blanket statement does not facts make.

[@hazelhadley-britt6396]

@@SussexSandra and there are others who are not.

[@SussexSandra]

@@hazelhadley-britt6396 I am intrigued by this case because i have been listening to lawyers and commenters/ bloggers or whatever they call themselves discuss this case. Commenters speculating and adding 2+2 and coming out with 5, i expect. But i’ve heard 2 separate lawyers read the affidavit and state they can’t understand why DM didn’t call the police and the other lawyer questioned the statement about DM being shocked then living herself in her room without checking on the others. I was shocked when i heard this lawyer say this. And i won’t giving them my view again. But the majority of lawyers i’ve listened to have been neutral and or sympathised for DM. Because most of us would not know how we’d react in the situation. So i’m not stating fact. I’m expressing my dismay at the reactions from some of lawtube.

[@upmayo9741]

So good I'll watch it twice!

[@krissyridgelawnerd]

Same! 💜

[@annmariedemaio1119]

On replay. Glad to be here

[@carlacastillo3110]

Another great stream emily, you are amazing.

[@Trying_very]

I love the cat eye glasses - they really suit you!💖

[@o2low317]

I don’t understand how this isn’t criminal and shouldn’t result in here spending time in jail and being prevented from doing this

[@coriolisjones9156]

I wish I could be as sure of myself when I'm RIGHT as this person is when she's wrong.

[@pinkvolo]

I assume you are referring to the tiktocer? I agree. Delusional is an understatement.

[@starrywizdom]

Here is my OPINION: If/when a court finds this tiktok "sleuth" to have committed defamation, in addition to whatever costs, fees, & fines the court may impose, she should be required to post tiktoks to her account in which she debunks her own claims & explains that the professor & the other student she accused have no connection at all to the quadruple murders. She should be required to post the same number of these debunking tiktoks as she originally posted of tiktoks that mention her bogus defamatory claims, even if she's subsequently deleted the original tiktoks. She should be fined a certain amount per week until all of the required tiktoks are posted, & she should never be allowed to delete any of them on pain of further fines. These fined amounts should go to pay for legal help for the indigent. Merely my OPINION. Thank you SO much for covering this, EDB. I find it disturbing on many levels: as a practitioner of tarot, as a law nerd, as an adjunct to the academic world, as a woman, as a former college student, as a parent...

[@T_Ix]

I think questioning the roommates actions is very reasonable. Placing blame and accusations on her is what isn't.

[@Rae777]

I don’t think people have been doing well to balance that. A lot of people have gone from some small speculation to outright blame in all the other accusations against unrelated people in this case. It quickly devolved to that against DM. When someone has already been harassed for simply being there, it’s time to just let it go. We’ve speculated enough in the last week for a lifetime based on two sentenced from her witness statement.

[@desertsunset8025]

I don't agree . She was questioned and cleared by FBI and police . This is bullshit to accuse her or question her in any way .

[@T_Ix]

I also am not saying the questions should even be said out loud (or typed), but again I don't think it's unreasonable to have questions.