First Kings of Lórien & Mirkwood - Amdír & Oropher, Father of Thranduil - Epic Characters History

[@archades115]

I find the tales of the Sindar and these kings to be so sad. They endured the destruction of Doriath and Beleriand, tried to rebuild anew, only for it to all be destroyed again. Furthermore, it is... Implied that Sindar lost much of their original culture as they were assimilated into the Noldor and Laiquendi. Death and loss compounding upon each other.

[@borismuller86]

A sad but accurate allegory for so many cultures throughout human history.

[@otaku-sempai2197]

I've long hoped that, among Tolkien's papers, a lost genealogy of Legolas' family would be discovered. Or at least some notes about his mother (Thraduil's queen).

[@dmdebruijn]

This channel is excellent on Mirkwood

[@Comicnut64]

Awesome been awhile since we got a character history great work Yoystan

[@orrointhewise87]

"They are less wise, and more dangerous" Wow why do I not remember the first king of Lorien at all? Probably one of the least known kings but they both started their realms in hopes of what their ancestors wanted in middle earth so they achieved that much at the least. But they remind me of isolationist after WWI, they saw so much war and violence that they didn't want to fight as it rose up again until much later. Interesting

[@Alexs.2599]

Once again Yoystan you have done an excellent lore characters study video. You are a huge credit to Tolkien's legacy.

[@khalidcooper8799]

Tolkiens work is so rich and well connected there’s no film that really can do it justice

[@upschutt4842]

Great work on the biography :) Keep up the good work

[@FantasticExplorers]

FREAKING LOVE THIS DEEP LORE!!!!

[@kaidorade1317]

Can’t go wrong with the first of someone near the first of the month!

[@GreatGreebo]

Great video. I tend to shy away from the Amdír and Oropher type of stories because they are so sad (Don’t get me going on the Children of Hurin). I appreciate the reminder of these tales in the Legendarium that I usually don’t revisit unless I’m specifically rereading that chapter or rereading the entire book. Cheers 🤘

[@masonsudderth]

I look forward to your videos everyday Sunday.

[@random22026]

We are 'stronger together, than we are apart'. As for Oropher, Father of Thranduil (and Grandfather of Legolas)? We finally 'get it'! Never heard of 'Amroth' being Celeborn and Galadriel's son, according to Tolkien's 'non-canon' notes--an interesting piece of information.

[@paulwagner688]

It's one of the many thought trails outlined in "Unfinished Tales"

[@random22026]

😊Thank you so much! (Another Tolkien excursion is now on the itinerary...)😊@@paulwagner688

[@exomake_mehorololo]

😊Awesome!! I was just thinking about Mirkwood and the history of it's elves the last days. I would love if we could get a good movie adaptation of stories like these. To meet the different people and realms of this time. It's never gonna happen I guess but imagine what could be

[@TarMody]

Since the stories were written in different periods, they should be considered independently of each other, but when we consider them together, the following situation is very interesting: When Galadriel came to Lórinand, they may have lived here under the command of Amdír or even Amroth until the Battle of Dagorlad. This is a stark contrast to Galadriel's motivation to "have a kingdom she can rule as she wishes", a character element she has carried since Valinor.

[@kravstema6287]

It’s been a while, it’s good to hear some new content, Loremaster

[@saladinbob]

I love these more obscure lore videos, and they help open up just how expansive Tolkien's world was.

[@matthewanderson9754]

I am more than happy to watch this again!!!😊

[@shanenolan5625]

Thank you

[@MontserratStewart]

I think JRRT based Oropher on the deadly British generals of WW1 who threw their poorly protected men across No Man's Land into machine gun fire. Oropher is a terrible soldier. He doesn't coordinate his efforts with the other armies. He undercut the battle plan by leaping forward ahead of time. This led to not only his own soldiers deaths, but risked the lives of everyone out there. When two-thirds of your force is destroyed, with no objective gained, you did something very very wrong.

[@timonsolus]

No. More likely, Tolkien based the Sindar on the untrained Saxon peasant levies at the Battle of Hastings in 1066. Who, after repelling a Norman charge, prematurely broke ranks against orders, and chased after the apparently fleeing Normans. Unfortunately the Norman flight was feigned, and the Normans turned on the disorderly Saxon peasants, cut off their line of retreat back to the main Saxon shieldwall with cavalry, and slaughtered them to the last man.

[@TaneTiare805]

Survivors of Doriath would no doubt have distrust of both dwarves and Noldor given their history. It was a great tragedy for both Sindarin forest kingdoms to experience such losses due to mistrust and possibly the foolhardy ego of their kings.

[@Abrahamrengifo]

Amazing this elven lore is great.

[@chrysm6842]

I'll make sure to have a copy since I GM LoTR from time to time.

[@jcook693]

Show ya my Rinus

[@gandalf4751]

😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@lynneglendenning947]

I, Galadriel, birthed Amdir with Celebrimbor. I was quite pleased to raise Philip, although he defied me at every turn. We were Sylvan Elves.

[@DavidOfWhitehills]

That was good. What happened to Amroth after that?

[@Makkaru112]

Listen to the song about Nimrodel by Brociliande. It tells the story what happened. Also. Legolas sang this song ing Lothlòrien.

[@bukworm2k4]

Hi! Amazing video today. I wanted to ask when did Celeborn and Galadriel started to rule Lorien? Trying to remember the timeline a bit.

[@Makkaru112]

I believe it’s in recent video about her by GirlNextGondor. Then after that go to travels of Galadriel by NerdOfTheRings

[@whiteknightcat]

Those EARS in the first illustration! OMG!

[@shadowofchaos8932]

What would it take to break the curse of the Dead Marshes?

[@marcusblackwell2372]

Good question. If I had to guess, maybe (a huge maybe) either ridding the Marshes of their fell magic however that may be done, or bringing the dead bodies to a more sacred and honorable burial site for the Men and Elves, and burning the corpses of the Orcs somewhere else far away

[@shadowofchaos8932]

@marcusblackwell2372 if the swamp was drained and the bodies were available to move without breaking the spell, then yes. If the spell still works after it is drained, the a high level spellcaster would be needed.

[@marcusblackwell2372]

​@@shadowofchaos8932I was just thinking maybe remove the bodies before draining but have spellcasters on hand just in case

[@istari0]

I suspect that with Sauron's final fall, the curse would fade over time.

[@robertdendooven7258]

Did any of these forces participate in the ambush of Sauron's greatly reduced forced in Rohan after the defeat in Eriador in the 1600's of the 2nd Age? Are there any writings on that battle? Was it a force of Numenoreans coming up from Pelagir instead? Thanks.

[@suilles]

can elfs die of some sickness? can they get some health problems like cancer or other sickness like it?

[@leonaanderson1544]

As far as I know, Elves can only be slain (by weapons) or "fade away" when they loose their will to live. I don't think they can get sick and (especially the first age elves) are quite resistant to extreme temperatures, hunger, thirst and can heal from severe wounds.

[@suilles]

@@leonaanderson1544 indeed i never heard of a elf getting sick. but i know there was alot of sickness throughout the world so. i always wondered.

[@Makkaru112]

@@suillesblack speech makes them ill.

[@psazani]

Are the souls of the Dead Marshes ever set free? How and by who?

[@KysaAccount]

how does an elf become a wraith?... always seemed odd to me. same with orcs if they came from elves... how does the fea get altered or do anything but fly west?

[@istari0]

Elven Fëa can refuse the summons to the Halls of Mandos and in this case we are dealing with Sauron, a.k.a. The Necromancer. In his later writings, material published after The Silmarillion, Tolkien wanted to change the origins of Orcs to have them coming from Men that Melkor had captured and twisted because he (Tolkien) didn't think Melkor would have the ability to change the basic immortal nature of Elves into mortal Orcs.

[@Makkaru112]

Watch Necromancy by GirlNextGondor.

[@dewittl2886]

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