First Long-Distance Trip with my Electric Truck - Insane Efficiency in the Kassel Mountains

The third week as an electric trucker. This time with the Scania 40R, and for the first time, a long-distance transport over the Kassel mountains through Bavaria and crossing Austria.
Follow my journey here on KZbin or on Instagram ‪@elektrotrucker‬

[@markburton8303]

That was a fantastic insight to electric trucks. Blasting passed diesel trucks on the hill was funny, then regen on the way down recouping power and not over heating brakes just makes so much sense. The charging infrastructure needs help though! Ideally with big bays and lower power chargers so you can charge overnight whilst sleeping.

[@anthonymiles8377]

You don't know what weight his truck was loaded too or the weights of the trucks he over took so not as clear cut as he makes out. Also modern trucks of any type don't really over heat brakes when the retarder is used.

[@markburton8303]

@@anthonymiles8377 True about the weight, but electric has a better spread of torque, so I'd expect it to have an advantage. Trucks still end up in run off lanes. Retarder or not, it's cool to actually recoup power instead of just wasting it to heat and noise.

[@capnkirk5528]

This is amazing. As a veteran of the North American logistics industry I find this fascinating and useful. He has documented savings that - if I were putting a deck in front of the capex committee - I would scale back to 2/3 and I would still have enough savings to justify converting to an all electric fleet (depending on the upfront costs being what I think they are). Per mile costs plus maintenance costs plus (very probably) overall amortization are going to make this very compelling EVEN in the highly conservative world of big fleet operators. Cost of charging infrastructure? It can justify off of the difference between commercial charging (can you even FIND a charger for an electric Semi in North America?) once you have enough electric power units in your fleet. This also highlights the HUGE potential of Edison Motors hybrid trucks (Google Edison Motors) since you can start with a hybrid, get the operational savings of running mostly electric and manage your power usage to always charge on the cheapest supply. This kind of planning could EASILY be integrated into trip planning software (I'm not sure what is the industry standard today, but products like Roadnet or Paragon that I used in the past will almost certainly accommodate this).

[@T.Stolpe]

The fact is that the majority of e-trucks are used in regional transport, i.e. from food to building materials to waste disposal. These trucks consume significantly more diesel per mile than long-distance trucks. This is due to the extreme load changes and the many stop and goes. Instead of 30 liters per 100 km, at 40 t GVW it is more like 40 to 60 liters. Plus the electricity for cooling, cranes (hydraulics) or pumps of all kinds. There are already concrete mixers as e trucks. They pay for themselves extremely quickly.

[@capnkirk5528]

@@T.Stolpe I was expecting that I would be refuting YET another EV hater here but ... What you say is actually very true. I try not to dox myself on KZbin (for personal safety) but I worked on teams that designed and built logistics networks, including networks for some of the biggest players in the grocery industry in North America. The ROI on electric trucks for urban grocery delivery (Walmart, Kroger, Safeway, Ralphs, Loblaws, etc.) is seriously large enough to visibly impact their bottom lines. If Galen wants to improve his EBITDA by something OTHER than gouging his customers (he may not, to be honest) he should be asking why this is taking so long. And that, of course is part of the reason it is, it's easier just to gouge the consumer than be innovative.

[@T.Stolpe]

@@capnkirk5528 So a colleague ! I am a graduate traffic engineer. I have worked for Daimler, Sixt AG and Renault Truck as well as for banks. The prices for e-trucks will soon be relatively close to those of diesel trucks. A two-axle tractor unit with a 500 kWh battery should soon be available for < €150,000. In the USA, this is a different class than be and, here they are allowed to have up to 44,000 kg mass as a train, i.e. over all (total train weight) In the USA and Canada, these tend to be 3-axle tractor units. Each depot can harvest its own electricity from the roof, but not diesel. I'm not worried that the e-truck won't catch on, no matter what some conservatives say. In the end, it's the cost per km or the cost per tonne-kilometer that counts. Falling interest rates are the lubricant for innovation. Grüße aus Berlin nähe Tesla Grünheide. Thomas

[@HenryLoenwind]

The one issue for the industry in NA is three-fold: For one, even local distances are larger there, and second, the driven speeds are higher as trucks obey the same speed limits as cars. This leads to a need for larger batteries (I estimate about 1.6 to 2x). Third, there's no public infrastructure for trucks and the car infrastructure isn't able to handle them like in Europe because of the higher battery sizes as well as shorter and less frequent mandatory rest periods. This leads to the need for trucks that can handle a whole day on a nightly at-the-depot charge, which means an even bigger battery... It's a bundle of individually small things that add up. Was it just the larger distances, or higher speeds, or nightly-charging-only, all would be fine. A 600 kWh battery can handle that. But when you add that all up, you get a 1200 kWh battery...and that's too heavy and too expensive at the moment. So, something has to change first. At the moment, it looks like public MCS (megawatt) charging could be what changes first. It would enable recharging during the day during those shorter rests. For Europe, MCS is mostly a gimmick. CCS works fine, as demonstrated in these videos. If anything, Europe needs specialised 50 kW chargers for overnight charging, not 1000-4000 kW chargers. But NA really needs those to enable electric trucks outside niche applications.

[@capnkirk5528]

@@HenryLoenwind I don't wish to in anyway be disrespectful, but while your analysis is very good you are categorizing as "niche" a lot more activity than you realize. The grocery industry OUTBOUND (deliveries) is mostly what people would categorize as "short haul". CPG also has a LOT of relatively short-haul requirements. Big Regional Distribution Centers can run fleets that charge once a day provided the total route is less than 300 miles - and MOST are. So just out of curiosity (I am retired and I never did ANY work in Georgia) I used Google Maps to see where the Kroger DC closest to Atlanta is and how many Kroger-bannered stores would be serviced and what the distances are. And - unless Kroger Atlanta operates way differently than what I consider an industry norm - they could go electric TOMORROW and save a crapton of money. Most routes will service at most two stores and pull a vendor load back on a route covering around 250 miles at most. I assume they KNOW that, but just can't get the electric power units.

[@goodfodder]

Amazed at the range and energy consumption

[@Yorkshireasaurus]

Very interesting. Thank you for producing this and sharing.

[@nickwinn7812]

I'm blown away with how low the consumption is on this truck. Awesome!

[@philherb3843]

It is very similar on most european electric trucks. Max speed in EU is 80 kmh, most drive at 85-88 kmh, because speeding tickets get expensive with more than 10% over the limit. 110 kWh/100 km also shows how efficent diesel trucks are. They take about 30 L/100km. And a Liter Diesel has 10,8kWh of energy. So they take 324 kWh/100km in diesel. With a piston engine with 40% energy efficency at best point and no recuperation downhills.

[@nickwinn7812]

@@philherb3843 So, a diesel truck uses 3 times the energy of an electric truck. There is no way to clean up the emissions from diesel completely, or to de-carbonise it. Electricity creates no emissions from the truck and can be generated from zero carbon sources. That's a compelling argument for banning diesel. Game over.

[@philherb3843]

@@nickwinn7812 You are right, but that was not my point. A thermal engine won't get any better. A hybrid could take another 20% Due to recuperation, but that's it. I don't like to bann, but now is the time to tax fuel to 5€ or $ per Liter within 5 years!

[@nickwinn7812]

@@philherb3843 Max speed limit for heavy goods vehicles on autoroutes in: Italy 100kph France 90kph Belgium 90kph Ireland 90kph Spain 90kph I am sure there will be others in the EU with higher limits and every country has it's own rules over penalties for violations. Your generalisations demonstrates a little laxity in thinking.

[@nickwinn7812]

@@philherb3843 I still don't know what was the point of talking about diesel engine efficiency. Never the less, yes taxing diesel fuel out of existence would be an effective solution. I would suggest ramping up the tax year on year over a 5 to 10 year period and making it clear that the revenue received would be used to de-carbonise the electricity grid and provide vehicle charging infrastructure.

[@allanedwards7756]

Super interesting. We need this in the UK provided we improve the charging infrastructure. Thanks for the video

[@nickwinn7812]

We need it in the UK. End of. Building the charging infrastructure cannot be considered as anything other than imperative.

[@mddell24]

@@nickwinn7812 And people always ignore the Electricity production imperative. Many Nuclear power stations will be required to replace the energy in Fossil fuels. Not much point thinking about charging, if there is no elec making.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@mddell24 You will only have to wait about 50 years until the french have finished Hinkley Point C. Then they can start with Hinkley Point D. Maybe in 2150?

[@verygoodbrother]

The current UK government would rather throw money at unproven technology like CCS than invest in proven infrastructure.

[@jimcalver-oj4xf]

@@mddell24No, alternatives like more solar, wind, wave and more efficient thermal power (backup) are available and should be prioritized to lower CO2 output. What is now coming is efficient ways to store electrical power for low resource days / nights and this is where the big issue is. Even without electric vehicles the utility demand is increasing and the infrastructure will need to be improved anyway.

[@glacieractivity]

Now you have done the "Kassel Run" in less than "12 Parsecs" with an electric truck while proving you can do it significantly cheaper than Han Solo and Chewbacca could (Kassel being spelt with an E) with the Millennium Falcon despite having an infrastructure still in its infancy. 😀 Ps. Bjørn Nyland ("TeslaBjørn") has a recent video where he talks with truck drivers on a newly installed designated truck charging point in Norway that may be of interest to your viewers, discussing among many things the need for amenities like washrooms and coffeemakers and the positives of not having to unhook the trailer/blocking private car stalls) Maybe you should contact Bjørn to arrange for a collaboration - perhaps even a visit to Norway, as Bjørn has been covering both companies building infrastructure and large logistic companies in Norway (like ASKO) who are busy electrifying right now (as Norway is clearly not slowing down the world-leading transition to electric (now also for heavy goods)? Everything is not solved here, but it is silly if Germany/the Continent/your company were to repeat mistakes having been tested/done before, right?

[@unhippy1]

"Kassel Run" in less than "12 Parsecs"....🤣

[@giri1478]

What's up - teslaBjorn 😁 I enjoy Bjorn's vids :)

[@JuicyJohnEV]

I love that I’m watching without speaking a word of German! 🇩🇪

[@derloos]

So happy to have found your channel! Thanks for all the insights.

[@bloodynorahvan2203]

As suspected, moving to electric brings a big improvement in driver experience, efficiency and performance. Great news for the transition to electrification for trucking!

[@anthonymiles8377]

Its a backward step in efficiency. The driver of the silver Volvo said he has to work two extra hours a day to complete the same route. Having to drop and then reattach the trailer to charge, all wastes regulated working and driving time.

[@Gazer75]

This video clearly show that truck stops need high speed chargers for trucks.

[@Sepp440]

More importantly low power at sleeping parks

[@Gazer75]

@@Sepp440 AC charging at rest stops for trucks might not be enough. Even a 32A 400V for up to 22kW would take ages to charge these. Do these trucks even support Type 2 AC charging? Only time these might work would be for the weekly rest. For the daily rest maybe 50kW DC chargers would be appropriate.

[@MrAdopado]

@@Gazer75 Could accept AC charging up to 43kW (depending on charging equipment capability of course) so similar to the lower end of DC charging... which for an overnight stop would be very worthwhile indeed. (the 22kW figure you quote is based on EVs accepting 3 phases at 16amp per phase whereas 32amps per phase doubles this ...commercial premises with 3 phase come with 100amp per phase as standard nowadays in UK).

[@Gazer75]

@@MrAdopado 22kW boxes are 32A 400V. I know there are some chargers with 43kW cable and plug. I believe they are 64A 400V? A local CPO around me have some older ABB 50kW units with this option. Only older Zoe models can make full use of those these days. Newer ones have DC charging. Either way 22kW is to slow so a 64A 400V AC box or 64A 800V DC charger would be minimum. A beefy AC/DC converter is more expensive so no idea what the manufacturers go for. Even if there is more space in a truck a 64A AC/DC converter is larger and heavier as well. Not sure how these trucks would deal with a regular old 125A 400V DC charger. I know some cars that expect 600-800V charge very slow on 400V chargers. And a 125A 800V DC charger is probably to fast for overnight charging. It would be 80kW at 640V. That's like 480kWh in 6 hours.

[@MrAdopado]

@@Gazer75 Yes, I was misremembering the 3 phase numbers.

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

Route trought entire country? Hell, yeah! 😀

[@KiwiShoot]

Great stuff, thanks for the video. Although incredibly selfish for the other trucker to block so many chargers because he couldn’t be bothered uncoupling. I guess he doesn’t mind someone else blocking him In one day. There’s got to be a better way.

[@pluto202]

Nice translation.

[@Seibertnr90]

I have a feeling, that the Iveco will become your favorite. Oops, Spoiler alert!

[@CreRay]

It seems though that it is a unicorn, the s-eWay tractor truck has disappeared from the Iveco websites, only the s-eWay rigid (which is based on Iveco technology, not Nikola) is listed.

[@Seibertnr90]

@@CreRay Unfortunately, yes. But I guess the next generations of trucks from various OEM´s will catch up again to this incredible drivetrain. Grüße!

[@heberth.reinstein]

Crazy found this channel, I was just playing ETS2, with the electric trucks trying to go as far as possible and come back without getting stranded, and I was surprised how far I could go and how fun it was, and the results I got were very similar to what you got in real life. You have a very fun and exciting job for the development of new technology. I would enjoy a opportunity like that, keep it up the with the good videos, will keep following.

[@deknechter]

Ehy Moin erst mal. Gerade heute hat Björn Nyland auch ein Video über eine größere Ladestation in Oslo online gestellt. Darin kommen zwei E Trucker zu Wort. Unteranderem ein Fahrer der ein 60t Elektro LKW fährt.

[@CreRay]

Danke für den Hinweis! Schau ich mir an

[@johannesmustermann7819]

jau, danke für den tip, gleich mal reinschauen. ;-)

[@zlozlozlo]

The driver having to work 2 extra hours because of charging is unfortunate. But crucially he really shouldn't have to. With all the rest periods truck drivers are required to take, there should always be more than enough time to recharge the truck before the next leg of the journey. You also shouldn't have to try to fit your truck into charging stations made for passenger cars. The solution to both problems is dedicated charging at truck stops, whether it's retrofitting existing truck stops, or building new ones that were designed with charging in mind.

[@kens97sto171]

The issue is the timing.. You may need a break.. But not have a charger at that time and location.. Diesel has much more range. So you just take your break wherever that happens to be.. More truck specific charging would help. But trucking has a lot of random stuff in it. Random pickup and drop locations, and random locations for required breaks. PRobably easier in Europe than the USA to get this worked out.. I think in the USA the long haul stuff will stay diesel, and the short haul .. less than 500 miles per day will go electric. Especially freight that starts at a terminal, and returns to that terminal every day. Truck charges at the terminal. Short haul in the USA is about 75% of all trucking. So would make a significant impact.

[@zlozlozlo]

@@kens97sto171 I'll admit I don't know that much about trucking. But from what I know, trucks aren't allowed to stop and take a rest just anywhere. They have to stop at designated rest areas. And they plan their trips accordingly. They don't find themselves just in the middle of a city or the countryside and realize their 4 hours are up and they have to rest. They plan the trip and use their allocated driving time to "hop" between rest stops. The solution is to put fast chargers everywhere a truck would conceivably stop - i.e. at all the rest stops. Yes, it will be easier in Europe, as the distances are shorter, and for some reason Europe is much better at deploying fast charger networks than the US. But that doesn't mean it's not going to happen in the US. Yes, in US "long haul" means much longer distances than in Europe. But doesn't long haul also mean much of the trip is on highways, going from one truck stop to another?

[@kens97sto171]

@@zlozlozlo You are correct You cannot just take a break anywhere. But the reality is on a long trip say 1500 to 2,000 mi cross country. Enough random things happen throughout the trip that you can't really plan for it completely. About the best thing you can do is plan day-to-day. When you get up in the morning at the truck stop you plan where you think you're going to be able to take your breaks. Here's the problem though they're in fact are not truck stops or rest areas at an ideal location to match up with when you have to take a break. There is some flexibility in the timing. In the USA we have 14 hours to work total from the time you start. You do a pre-trip inspection minimum 15 minutes, sometime before 8 hours elapses of work time you have to take a 30-minute lunch break. You have 11 hours to drive total. When that 14 hours or 11 hours is up you have to take a 10-hour rest break. In addition once 70 hours of work time accumulates you have to take a 34-hour continuous break. You might be surprised there are not truck stops at every single exit, so what you will find is you have 3 hours to work, but you can't actually maximize that, The best truck stop to spend the night at is 2 hours away. So you end up wasting that extra hour you have to work. Because there isn't a truck stop beyond that. You also have to consider the time of day, if you're going to be arriving at in the evening there's a very good chance you'll pull into that truck stop and find no parking left. Now what do you do? And when I say no parking left I mean even at a big truck stop with over 200 parking spaces it will be completely full. Some states you can get away with parking on an on-ramp or off-ramp of a highway others will give you a ticket for doing that. If you're anywhere near or inside of a town or city good luck finding any place to park. You kind of casually say we should just put fast chargers at every single truck stop, I don't think you actually realize how much that would cost? How many truck stops they're actually are in the United States. That's what I'm talking about. There's a huge amount of random locations and to make electric trucking viable you would need to do what you said. You would need chargers everywhere. Or truckers would need to add that into their planning. In this video the guy had to do that. And he wasn't driving anywhere near as long or as far as a US driver would. He's talking about driving 300 mi like it was a big deal. My average long haul day in the US was over 600 mi. Especially when you're in Texas where the roads are a bit more open and You have higher speed limits. Now what you could do is create electrified corridors. Tesla is actually talking about building one of their own between two of their major factories. And then using their own Tesla semis to move their own product. They looked into having the federal government help with this and were denied so they'd have to pay for it themselves. Quite frankly they'll probably do a better job of it that way anyway. The Tesla semi can go legitimate 500 miles with a load even up and over a mountain. There's a good video on KZbin where they demonstrated that exact route. But I think there isn't enough cost savings in the United States to make long distance trucking really worth it. That's where diesel really shines. You have a huge amount of range, you have diesel fuel available literally everywhere even at a local small gas station. So the driver is able to maximize their hours. And that is the greatest limitation in income. Having your time wasted. That's the one thing you can't get back. Also diesels are extremely efficient at constant highway speeds, all the emissions equipment works extremely well in those situations also. Diesel is terrible at stop and go traffic, and at lower speeds. All the emissions equipment doesn't really function that well tends to get clogged up causing massive massive maintenance costs and downtime. I think that is where electrification makes the most sense. And it's the easiest to implement also. And as I mentioned over 75% of all trucking in the US is short haul trucking. And it's where you would want electric trucks anyway. Having that diesel truck sit there idling in the middle of the city or town or suburbs is not really ideal. I'm sure we will get there eventually. But it's going to take more time in the United States. Even driving for electric cars is certainly still more problematic than driving gasoline. And incidentally cost more too on long highway trips. I want to make it clear I'm not against electric vehicles at all. I drive an EV now for my primary rideshare car. I love the fact that it has no maintenance, and when I charge it my home it is significantly less expensive than even my previous Toyota Hybrid. However on long distance road trips that Toyota Hybrid was less expensive per mile by a significant amount. Not to mention the time saved. One other issue is energy production. At that truck stop with 200 parking spaces? You're going to put in 200 high output chargers? Or whatever chargers are required for 10-hour breaks to be enough to recharge the truck? I don't think you're going to be able to supply enough energy output into those locations which tend to be outskirts of cities and rural locations. And I don't think it gives you enough benefit in cost savings versus what it would cost to install all that hardware. With diesel, you pull into a truck stop there are usually 8 to 10 fuel islands for the trucks to use. You pull up you put in 300 gallons in about 5 minutes and that 500 gallons would take you 1800 mi. Even with that much availability of diesel fuel I have sat at one of those fuel islands for over 30 minutes because there were 10 trucks lined up at each of those fuel pumps. Now imagine each one of those trucks needing to sit there and charge for an hour or more. Don't think most people really understand the extent of the trucking fleet. When I first started working I worked for one of the largest trucking companies in the US. We had about 15,000 trucks. This was mid-2000s. In one year that company consumed 250 million gallons of diesel fuel. That trucking company even being the largest only transports about 1% of the freight in the USA. I really just don't think there's enough electric energy supply to replace that. The thing about fossil fuels is they are extremely energy dense. If you take a look at the battery boxes on this truck in this video. They're about the size of 300 gallon fuel tanks. He gets maybe 500 mi, a diesel tank would take you 1800 mi.

[@ciaotesla]

Great video and information! The savings are huge...!

[@wolfgangp7896]

Wieder mal Cool und gut alles für den Algorithmus.

[@didierpuzenat7280]

24:00 Not to mention it would be even cheaper in other countries eg France since electricity is cheaper.

[@ThePixel1983]

I hope this will be implemented soon, ideally everywhere.

[@sydneyg007]

So cool seeing this transition! Thanks so much for doing an excellent job on documenting how it actually works. ...meanwhile people are still convinced that heavy electric trucking will never work - hard to keep saying this with people like you totally myth busting this nonsense! Love it - instant subscriber!

[@petter5721]

Scania ❤

[@tesla-spectre]

You will be the topEuropean KZbin EV Channel in no time, now that you also brought it out in English. Eycellent content!🎉 Regarding the low SoC in the construction site: not really a problem because all E Trucks have this huge buffer , right? But it adds some drama to the video 😂

[@corresandberg]

I love this videos ❤. I'm into cooking, gaming and such stuff. But I love electric trucks and cars. This is awesome ❤ knowledge. Much ♥️ from 🇸🇪

[@michaelhenry-hurst2787]

Man your country just need truck charge bays especially at service stations. If the whole world (eventually) start going electric things need to get bigger everywhere

[@whynot5852]

Best Channel 👍😁

[@LiiMuRi]

Very cool! We need more rapid chargers with easy access with a truck, and also slower chargers in truck rest stops for overnight charging

[@kens97sto171]

Just found your channel... really cool to see the drive and situations you find yourself in with the E Truck... The efficiency is really good in the truck. I don't think long haul trucks in the USA will convert any time soon... just too much randomness in the locations of pickup and drop off and routes. And LONG routes. But 75% of US trucking is short haul.. less than 500 miles. Could certainly convert that to Electric. Most of those trucks run a route, and return to a terminal every night.. The truck just charges at the end of the shift. Long haul.. probably not worth it. Cost is about the same or less actualy... as what you posted for the E Truck.. minus maint costs.. oil changes etc. 372 miles at 6 MPG so 62 US gal of diesel. Current cost of diesel is $3.35/gal. So $207 to go the same distance. Long haul trucks are running up to 300 US Gal tanks. So an effective range of 1800 miles. I usually ended up refueling every other or every 3rd day. Keep up the great videos.. look forward to seeing the cool trucks.. I love the Euro trucks.. wish we had them here in the USA..

[@nakfan]

Really enjoyed the video 😊 Thanks for the ride 👍 Per (DK)

[@karendarrenmclaren]

1: it's impossible to replace all necessary trucks with electric. 2: energy efficiency is still in favour of diesel. 3: we either can't produce enough energy to charge all trucks, or using pretty much same energy sources. 4: there is obvious limitations with amount of batteries required to replace all diesel trucks. And amounts of waste/emissions from battery production. 5: you still need conventional furnaces to produce metal for a) truck panels and frame, b) box for battery itself. Just couple of notices

[@tarant315]

Another one for the algorithm

[@deathgun3110]

And Another one.

[@AdamCiernicki]

It’s not just trucks mate, I save hundreds of EUR driving across Europe twice a year in Tesla M3, UK to Poland fully loaded costs me less than 100. But I go a bit faster than you :)

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

You must calculate the cargo. Try to transport 20 tons across Europe twice a year. And now do it once with a E-Truck. Which one is cheaper? And faster?

[@AdamCiernicki]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 not sure I get it.... my cargo is my family, luggage, dog, chainsaw and some jam and honey jars, and my "truck" is a saloon car. As for the real haulage, I think what this driver is saying (and recent studies, like UPS and their Tesla trucks in US) is that cost per mile is significantly lower for logistics companies using electric trucks.

[@mralistair737]

That's crazy efficiency. 1kwh / km if you pay grid prices is 0.25p per km.. There are diesel cars that cost that much.

[@mb-3faze]

You have a 300kW EV grin on your face :)

[@Mark_SWZA]

6:29 thats quite interesting and mazing that you can actually get 1kw per km

[@Essin62]

90+ kWh/100 km is just ridiculous, considering my tiny Passat GTE hybrid does 20 kWh/100 km with just me in it.

[@Gazer75]

Slow trucks is probably because of under powered tractors. I see this all the time in Norway when foreign trucks come with the 13L and 420hp or smaller engines. Norwegian trucks with the 16L V8 engine have no issues and keep up no problem, even at 7% incline or more.

[@paulc6766]

I hate these %. It's 4 degrees. Not steep.

[@Gazer75]

@@paulc6766 Well its what the signs say. The national road database here in Norway also uses %. 7% is not insignificant if you're hauling 50t or more. Many shorter segments can be up to 10%. The limit on new main roads these days is 5%. They actually had to extend the Rogfast project tunnel by 2-3km during planning to meet this requirement. Going to take 20 minutes to drive though the 27km tunnel when it opens sometime in the 2030s. Assuming it's limited to 80 km/h.

[@EVtestDK]

Very interesting - Danke :-)

[@rogerterry5013]

I am shocked just how good this truck is. But 20cents per KwH seems low. is that true?

[@mwhol]

For the Algorithm 😉

[@daniel.dybvik]

How does the drivetrain compare to the Volvo?

[@MrMcMoments]

@iwrocker Wanna have a look at this German Electric Truck experience?

[@Essin62]

Do these trucks come with one single charging port, or multiple? I could see it as useful to have at least two, one on each side, for easier access at crowded chargers

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

The rule is CCS on the left side. MCS is optional. The old Volvos have CCS right and Type 2 on the left side.

[@goodfodder]

Suprised Scania did not do more on the aerodynamics

[@Felix-st2ue]

Its not that simple. The Trucks length is limited. And currently the Layout is designed to use as much room as possible for the cargo. So in order to make the cabin less boxy you would habe to find the space somewhere. Especially since trailer sizes are standardized, it's not that easy.

[@Crazypostman]

I can't believe those large commercial trucks are allowed to charge at public vehicle charging areas. It should be required that they have their own commercial truck stops. I wonder if the stores will start prohibiting Commercial vehicles from entering the charging areas when it becomes a problem. Here in the US the gas station Buc-ees does not allow semis to enter their property.

[@StephenButlerOne]

In all servise stations and larger fuel garages, truck have theie own larger pumps. Its only hoing to be a matter of time untill charging centres all roll out thier own truck/drive through bays. Thr guy blocking all the chargers with his trsiler, what an absolute bell end he is. I hope id he does that often, he stsrts getting blcked in also. Id be temped to plug my car in. Blockhim in, and even if i wasn't planning on fulling to a 100, the last 20 takes longer than the first 80% , id be very tempted to charge to the full 100! Just to teach him a lesson. I wouldn't have the face to block 10 plus charge bays, he blew my mind.

[@Felix-st2ue]

If they uncouple the trailer they don't take that much space. Designated truck charger spots will be built but it might take a while. Btw the operator makes a lot more money on those trucks. They consume (and pay) for huge amounts of energy. And charge quicker than the average car. So the operator makes more money on those trucks compared to cars.

[@storeskeeperrvl3797]

where the hell is Krümelix ?? 😅

[@mddell24]

Any expectations on vehicle insurance costs? What about EV parking restrictions? Will vehicle ferries allow EV trucks?

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

"Will vehicle ferries allow EV trucks?" Yes why not? "What about EV parking restrictions"? Why? Where?

[@mddell24]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 The problem with closely parked EVs is the fire spreads easily. Things are fine at the moment- not many EVs, but when every 2'nd vehicle is an EV, that becomes catastrophic.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@mddell24 why should a EV burn? And why should the EV Next to it burn? Have you ever Seen a EV burn on itself? I have not.

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

@@mddell24 It's the same for combustion truck. Do you even know how many liters of highly flamamble fuel they cary? 🙂 Problem with EV fire isn't the spreading, but putting out and even more after that preventing from starting again.

[@StephenButlerOne]

If you csn get the electric for 20c a kw thats amazing and definitely makes ev trucks a serious contender. Even the cheapest rates in the uk, with is from tesla stations in off peak hours tour looking at 30p, high peak 55-60p is the cheapest. About 40p being the middle peak tarrifs. Is your company getting s special rate from ionity? Ad their prices in thr uk for csrs are about 85p (€1) kw. I tey to stick to tesla stations ehen out snd about. Luckally they are now open to non tesla cars, as i wouldnt eant a tesla car.

[@Felix-st2ue]

20c sounds like the rate at the depot. But that's fine since many trucks will get the majority of energy from there.

[@StephenButlerOne]

@@Felix-st2ue this is what I thought to be honest. I know the price of charging in France is a lot cheaper than here in the UK. I was looking on the Tesla supercharger network, and they go down in the the low 20c in alit of places. Or rather the handful I checked on, when I was looking at a route from Calais to nice. I was doing some homework as I've decided to get my first EV, I have a Cupra Born on order. I got a hybrid 3 years ago, as I wasn't sure about EV Charing then, but the big deciding factor for me was the Tesla supercharger network is now mostly open to any EV, and their prices are decent. as I was researching the prices done a trial journey plan north of France to south, that's how i saw the cheap prices there Also I rarely drive the toll roads when in France, it's about £150 and a bit boring, and not much shorter. Any how total length of the drive is 18h, and total charge time is only 1h 36m, spilt into 5 stops, non of the stops was estimating over 20mins. It was this that pushed me over the edge to try and EV. This also wasn't account for I found a hotel in Dijon for £36 (for a double room) with free 7kw charging, so one of them stops is irrelevant. So really it's just 4 sub 20min stops over an 18h drive. I'd be doing that anyway in a petrol car, going the loo and grabbing coffee/lunch. Also at say 25c I think my total kw I'd need was just over 230kw, so that's about 60 euros in "fuel" minus the free charge, which could be about 50kw if done right. So we could be looking at £40. Even if it's double that, it's still a bargain. Now if you got to ionity or the other networks in France they was topping out in the 60c area, (85p in the UK!) even then it's just over £100. Which is about what an ice car would do. Iirc it was 800miles in total.

[@StephenButlerOne]

@@Felix-st2ue I was just having a look round the UK prices and late at night, there are two Tesla SC that are 21p from 12am-4am. Which for where I live in North Wales is perfect for me to use and get to Dover port with 100miles still in the tank. I may have to do a 3 min splash and at the Tesla SC station before it as it it located just on the extreams of my states range. But if I'm ever going to Dover for a ferry that's bang on the time I'd be in that area. I'd always to leave the home at midnight and get on the 6am ferry. Prices at Dover are 31p so if I had time I'd charge up if not not a big worry as there are lots in France for around 30c.

[@tonymcflattie2450]

Mullosk furiously taking notes

[@tonymcflattie2450]

Ugh, dropping the trailer to charge is a PITA

[@anthonymiles8377]

As a transport manager using electric trucks would be financial and operational suicide for us.

[@peterengland6153]

Very interesting, the change is coming.

[@anthonymiles8377]

Not in the UK it isn't

[@Pete68T]

Would be interesting to know the lifespan of the battery and replacement costs,most trucks need engine rebuilds over there life ,e v is better for the places you drive through ,but charging stations need more space for trucks,if 1 truck blocks all one side of car charge places then thats not right and will lead to problems

[@stefanpredl6849]

Verstehe nicht ganz warum extra ein Video wenn man die Audiospuren extra im Video auswählen könnte wie bei CarM......c

[@RuffyUzumakii7]

es ist nicht das gleiche. Du hast unter anderem teilweise Content nur für deutschsprachige, wie über irgendwas politisches, neue Gesetze etc zu reden. Dann hast du den Titel, der deutsch bleibt. Dann, wie vermarktest du einen deutschen KZbin-Channel bei den Englischsprachigen? Die Beschreibung bleibt deutsch, die Infobox bleibt deutsch. Dann sind kulturelle Unterschiede. Die Likes können anders sein, das Interesse, der Fokus der Informationen (eben Gesetze und Co). Ausserdem generiert das doppelt soviele Einnahmen. Liste nicht abschliessend 😁

[@HenkvanHoek]

Have you seen then Tesla Semi Truck? Looks also very capable.

[@MikeDeeee]

It's unfortunately not an option in Europe. It would need a total redesign as regulations are quite different from the US.

[@st-ex8506]

@@MikeDeeee Yes, that is correct for the present version of the Semi. But Tesla has just announced at IAA that they would enter the European market with an europeanized version.

[@paulc6766]

@@st-ex8506 In Australia we just changed the regulations.

[@st-ex8506]

@@paulc6766 the EU is also in the process of changing very substantially its regulation for trucks, so as to better integrate electric trucks and other innovations. I do not know the details, though. But fact is that Tesla has announced that the Semi’s Europeanized version would not require any major redesign.

[@Druidus98]

It will be mentioned, although not covered in detail, in one of the following episodes.

[@Essin62]

As for downhill recuperation on long hills; isn't battery overheating a thing?

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Do your EVs not have a active thermal management?

[@Essin62]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 The Passat GTE will change from recuperation to traditional breaking if the battery overheats or overcharges

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@Essin62 My information is that is a fossil vehicle with small battery to help accelerate better. A so called hybrid. I can assure you a correctly buiult EV does not overheat or overcharge. Old Nissan Leaf, VW Golf, Mitsubishi MiiEV my overheat because their developers still learned their technology. That does not happen anymore. At least it should not.

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

@@Essin62 The batteries in Tobias' truck have thermomanagent. He even mentiones an option to pre-condition the truck and the battery via app. Also those are huge, almost like 2 tons of mass - it takes a while to heat that up.

[@Felix-st2ue]

He explains this in another video. If the battery is fully charged the truck will dump the excess energy as hot air.

[@drdoolittle5724]

It all sounds so good and healthy but German electricity production from fossil fuels stands at around 77%, and the brown coal used is the lowest of low when it comes to carbon emissions! Keep up the good work! UK has phased out energy from coal but Germany???

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Germany produces 46.3 % with reneable energsources and in Leer they charge with their own PV. And even using brown coal a electric truck produces no poison and mnuch less CO2 than burniong Diesel fuel which has to be pumped, transported, refgined, transported, pumped and burned. Poland, Lettland, Germany use coal. All othes not any more.

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

And that is not true. As of 2023, 52% of total electricity production in Germany was from renewables.

[@Felix-st2ue]

Where did you get the number from? That can only be for primary energy consumption. But that includes not only electric energy. For electricity germany is beyond 50% already.

[@WilliamLaverick-wo1nb]

It is not going to happen. Even if charging points are on all main roads they will take too long to charge. I worked on petrol tanker which were and still are double shifted. Therefore the truck is operational at least 20 hours per day. Supermarket delivery vehicles are also double shifted. If you do what transport call groupage where you deliver at several locations and pick up at several locations on the way back it will spend too much time being recharged. Then there is the carriage of dangerous goods where the risk of static can cause explosions.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Please stay in your fossil bubble. And be happy poisonojng yourself all the time.

[@bloodynorahvan2203]

Honestly the existing behaviour is built around diesel. Electricification will lead to different behaviours. Businesses will benefit so much in reduced 'fuel' costs they will adapt. Money is king in business.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@bloodynorahvan2203 Actually the fuel cost difference is not that big. About 25%. The other cost factors are just as important and even more. Depending on the type of vahicle and weher you are using it on the world. In Europe e.g. it is important to not have any CO2 emissions in your class 8 truck. That alone is a 30% cost reduction for the fossil toll. No fossil vehicle could ever be so much cheaper to operate.

[@WilliamLaverick-wo1nb]

@@bloodynorahvan2203 A company which runs trucking 24/7 all year doesn’t have time for vehicles sat round for hours being recharged. Our vehicles did an average of 450 miles per day double shifted. The only time they came off the road was for service or repairs.

[@anthonymiles8377]

@@bloodynorahvan2203 Yes they'll adapt by hugely increasing transport costs as using electric trucks is more expensive and less efficient. Careful what you wish for, higher prices in shops will be the end result.

[@stevemulroy1417]

Wait a minute, did you block two chargers overnight by going to sleep? Please clarify as that is extremely antisocial behaviour… chargers are for charging not sleeping.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

I cry many crocodile tears for your losses.

[@abpccpba]

Everything will be fine until it self ignites.

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

Self? It's a truck, the thing has been thoroughly tested. No way it has a fault that could start a fire.

[@mattg432]

English voice over German video, so somewhat irritating

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

Well, if you understand german, go watch the original. Link is in the description. Otherwise, there are people who don't mind and appreciate the dubbing. Like me. ;-)

[@thankyouforyourcompliance7386]

Well, realistically there is no alternative way. He is recording while working and many times we hear what he experienced directly during his job. He cannot redo it to record the English version. Live with it as we have to live with so many English channels. The content is worth it.

[@kiddy1992]

probably because he also wants it to be viewed by English people and not have to rely on crappy CC

[@nishnet8882]

I wonder if your oversized golf cart will still pull so hard when the batteries are only just a few years old.lol. Electric trucks..is total madness outside of cities on the majority of major trade routes. It’s already proven. So this is just fanboy rubbish…

[@darrencox150]

I assume you have well researched data to back up your claims? I also assume you can post the links to your research and conclusions. Looking forward to read it.

[@Felix-st2ue]

How has it been proven? And isn't him actually doing it proving the opposite?

[@anthonymiles8377]

@@Felix-st2ue Did you hear the silver Volvo driver saying he needed and extra two hours a day to complete the same route do to the charging time?

[@MariusClausen-bf2kw]

Our 12 year old Mitsubishi Miev has its battery capasity reduced with 10% Our 8,5 year old Nissan Leaf stil has 100% capacity. Both cars are every day charged to 100% and often driven to only 2-3% is remaining.

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