First Look At The Paradise Honey Smart BeeBox

[@geoffsharp7713]

One of the benefits of flow hive is being able to extract individual frames...

[@BlackMountainHoney]

you can still do that but just through a single spout

[@parkinsonga3092]

Just my opinion, I have windows in my hives so that I can see across the ends of the frames and you get an idea of what is happening with around six frames, the window on this hive looks to be on the side so that you can only see the end frame. It looks good for commercial beekeepers with a lot of hives. I have a few questions so I'm looking forward to your videos, you buy and test so we don't have to. If you don't like it you can send it to me for recycling 😂. Great video as always.

[@MrBeachbums5]

Right..... I have always wondered what the purpose is for side windows. Pointless.

[@robertfranc2365]

Love to see a system where the frames are removed and placed into a dehumidifier/storage box. When ideal moisture levels are reached turn a key drain, filter and bottle. Hobby scale. The cost of a dehumidifier two of those boxes inc two lids is cheaper than an first world electric 3 frame extractor. Place the dehumidifier in the bottom box.😅

[@won2winit]

If you have to extract all at once I can see an issue with not knowing if all the nectar has been reduced to a low enough moisture content so when combined with the rest that it won't ferment without further work

[@marktolson3988]

That was my thoughts too, and I'm only into my second year of my own hives outside the association.

[@BlackMountainHoney]

you can turn on each frame individually

[@won2winit]

​​@@BlackMountainHoney rewatched and had misunderstood the description but a 2nd watch cleared it up

[@BountifulBees]

That looks awesome - probably good I didnt see that at the show or else Id have spent even more money! Cant wait to see it in action.

[@BlackMountainHoney]

I am excited to give it a go!

[@baybeeslancashire]

Saw this at the show looked great and very very good value for money 😊

[@sinisterhipp0]

Being unable to extract individual frames means your at risk of harvesting uncapped, high moisture content honey. You’ll need to make sure the entire box is ready to go.

[@BlackMountainHoney]

You can turn each frame on individually

[@sinisterhipp0]

Bingo. Thanks.

[@kenchafin9890]

@@BlackMountainHoney Difference is it uses one drain port?

[@MrBeachbums5]

I hate my flow hive. I am on my 4th season hoping to get some honey. When and where will the SMART HIVE be available in the US. I will buy one today!

[@XxBloggs]

You need to learn how to beekeep. I have a flow hive and it gives me more honey than 4 of my old style hives. It takes a couple of hours to drain all frames as opposed to all day plus to harvest conventionally. Don't put it on till the brood box is bursting and they'll use it. Once it's been used for the first season they come back to it no problem because of the present wax.

[@Gamerlevelasian]

do love the look of these and already have paradise beehives from modern beekeeping :D but im using flow hives on them :D

[@jericho_bees]

I was very disappointed when I bought one. All the things that could have been solved haven't and none of the "smart" capabilities shown on the manufacturers website are available in the UK version. The manufacturer advertises "smart" tech including gps, smart theft protection, smart swarm protection, sensors and things that can be controlled from an app on your phone. These are all missing in the UK version. They send you a pointless pipe that goes lower than the entrance to the jerry can. It would make sense for a double brood as shown on the manufacturers website. The UK sold "whole system" is single brood and 1 smart super. I ended up sending it back and returning to standard hives. Very disappointed in what could and should have been a good product 😞

[@sinisterhipp0]

So you can adapt a regular wooden hive to take flow frames to drop the costs. Can you adapt a regular hive to take these frames to drop costs? I’ll assume no. What’s the cost like compared to a flow hive. If it’s a 1/2 the price, fine take my money.

[@BlackMountainHoney]

I think so. It works on a standard 8 or 10 frame lang poly box. Ill be doing some testing on it :)

[@nicoleslavec9849]

I always pull each flow frame out to check if properly capped before harvesting because you can’t always tell just by looking in the windows. From what I’m understanding it’s not advisable to do that with the paradise hive?

[@stevengoodall1431]

I Agree...you have to ensure frames are capped before harvesting a Flow Hive. If you cant pull out individual frames on this system how do you do that?

[@albigensian4655]

glad you can still harvest individual frames, but one thing, after a no. of years of use, how easy is it to clean the frames? with the flow you can disassemble for cleaning.

[@SageandStoneHomestead]

I'm hoping they make this available in the US?!

[@IanUK.]

If you can't take the frames out to check how much is capped, how do you know when to harvest a frame ?

[@russellkoopman3004]

You can take each individual frames out and inspect - check out the YT from dicky mint's comment.

[@matthewshaw3470]

Looks interesting do you know what the price will be? I look forward to see how you get on with it though the year

[@SpiderMan-pf6pu]

That’s ok if all the frames are full if not what

[@buggsy5]

You can extract individual frames. They are also fairly easy to inspect. Whether these capabilities makes up for the disadvantages remains to be seen.

[@yakladious]

You know you're onto a winning idea when others start copying it. Can't wait til Abelo release their version of the flow hive.😅

[@hootervillehoneybees8664]

Definitely heading to court ..

[@dickymint4109]

@@hootervillehoneybees8664 No it wont it's a totally different design to a Flowhive frame.

[@buggsy5]

@@dickymint4109 It would appear that only feature of the two designs that would be subject to patent is the in-hive extraction capability. They are quite different, partly from the way the frame blocks are put together. Flowhives are rather tedious to disassemble/reassemble for inspection. This design allows, from what I can see in the video, the capability to easily remove individual frames for inspection. You also reverse the frames to extract them, which is again completely different than the Flowhive. These may be better than the Flowhive system, but I will wait for more reviews. My Flowhives are relegated to a shelf of no longer used equipment. The honey production rate was far less than with standard Langstroth hives and adjusting to variable nectar/pollen flow rates was inconvenient at best.

[@homeselfmade6286]

Link to the manufacturer? Cannot find in the description.

[@jericho_bees]

The manufacturers description is totally different to the UK version. Most of the manufacturers "smart" functionality is unavailable in the UK version. I was very disappointed in what could and should have been a good product.

[@thenomadrhodes]

Is anyone going to talk about how we can get one? Do they ship to the us?

[@splashandbuzz6836]

Looks like a law suit in-waiting. Like a flow hive, minus the advantages.

[@avandyke143]

Where can I buy one of these?

[@BlackMountainHoney]

Modern Beekeeping in the UK

[@beebob1279]

I’ll stick to extraction

[@NT_80]

This one or the flow hive?

[@brendawydeven2934]

Are those for sale in US?

[@lagrangebees]

Looks wonderful for the hobby beekeeper. But I don't see how these could effectively used in a commercial setting.

[@buggsy5]

I don't see how they would be viable in a commercial operation either. I didn't see where the honey was collected, but with the Flowhive it is collected external to the hive - where it encourages attempted robbing by other bees.

[@Starganderfish]

@@buggsy5 The system uses a funnel and closed pipe to drain from the super into an external container, which means the homey goes directly from the frame to the collection container without being exposed - no bee's can get to it. Additional photo's indicate you can stack multiple supers on top of each other, connect the bottom of one funnel to the top of the funnel below with a collection pipe and gather all the honey through a single collection pipe. You could theoretically stack 5 or 6 supers, run a single collection pipe into a large drum or tub, crack open all the frames at once and just drain everything into a single collection vessel all at the same time, with no other hands-on requirement. That seems a LOT more effective for bulk commercial harvesting than Flowhive or traditional methods. One of the more ridiculous complaints about the Flowhive when it was announced was that it made it TOO easy to collect honey and was therefore somehow promoting bad beekeeping (as though traditional beekeeping was somehow immune to that kind of thing LOL) This takes that benefit and multiplies it

[@oskarschuster3124]

Hallo Wie sind deine Erfahrungen mit dem smart system? Leider finde ich keine Videos auf You Tube und der Hersteller gibt keine Antwort auf meine Anfragen. Gruss aus der Schweiz.

[@BurtGummer357]

When will you show this at your apiary?

[@BlackMountainHoney]

they didn't send me one in the end. Chased a couple of times but not heard back 😕

[@romanchomenko2912]

This is a gimmick as a plastic process technologist and I've worked with PET material what the manufacturers do not tell you . Firstly polymers break down by aging and chemical attack by using detergents and ultraviolet radiation from the Sun .Plastic over time gets brittle by what's explained above . These hives might get a shelf life of 8 years, flow hives are expensive to purchase and they suffer like I explained and a few KZbin clips showed hive collapse syndrome bees might react to plastic fumes coming off the hive . The most negative you cannot do a furrough inspection like checking on the Queen .

[@buggsy5]

Both systems are honey supers. If the queen gets into them, something is wrong with your setup or equipment.

[@Starganderfish]

Who uses detergents to clean their bee-hive frames? Frames live pretty much permanently inside a bee-hive... not a lot of UV radiation from the sun inside a beehive... If your plastic frames are deteriorating from chemical and UV exposure then you are doing some really weird beekeeping!! As for inspections? You can inspect both a Flow-hive and a Paradise Smart hive in the exact same way you inspect a regular hive. Lift off the super, open up the brood box and pull your frames to inspect. All the objections come from someone who thinks they know a lot about plastic but clearly knows almost nothing about bees.

[@surunitemiakanni-oye4346]

@@Starganderfish trying to be smarter than smart

[@billgartner8797]

I do not recommend these hive or flow hive for beginners. They get greedy and take to much from the bees.

[@BlackMountainHoney]

Interesting take but I can see where you are coming from

[@sinisterhipp0]

Bit absurd a greedy beekeeper can take too much honey regardless of the type of hive. I think these hives aren’t super suitable for beginners for different reasons. Gives a false sense of easiness.

[@durandyoungs4880]

Looks like a major rip-off of the flow Hive

[@XxBloggs]

This doesn't seem like a good idea. Harvesting individual frames is a distinct advantage of the flow hive. Frankly, it seems as though they copied elements of the flow hive and tried to improve it without thinking of and understanding the advantages of flow hives.

[@BlackMountainHoney]

You can harvest them individually as well if you want

[@honigwerftwismar]

Pls not these terrible thumbnails. You can do it better. 😏🙈