First Ride with a Can Am DS450

[@anthonypuckett2795]

I had a 2015 DS450. Loved every second of owning that thing

[@jellyjumper3466]

Hemi Chaw is it a clutch????

[@anthonypuckett2795]

Jelly Jumper Yeah

[@alberttaylor1905]

I currently own a Ds450x I bought it used and Pete you are absolutely correct the bike is heavily modified for racing it’s been very reliable and runs great and extremely fast I enjoy this video and hope to see more like this in the future keep up the awesome content

[@jimmymartin1902]

How is it holding up? I'm looking at 2015 on Facebook marketplace now.

[@Mohamedmasri1]

You still have it ?

[@Mohamedmasri1]

@@jimmymartin1902you buy it ?

[@kingcortezthagoat]

That DS is so slept on that thing shreds like no other

[@thethiefonthecross9092]

It's fast but when it comes to climbing Hills that's when you can tell the difference and that's when the Raptor shines because when it comes to climbing Hills the Raptor is like two times the four-wheeler as a 450 especially if you're a heavy Rider 200 lb and over it's like night and day.

[@Waynecountycowboys]

Yea I eat raptors for breakfast on my xmx

[@DawidSlodyczka]

Its good to see people still driving sport quads, nowadays its either dirtbikes or utvs thats dominating the market

[@tylerdurden8939]

where i live people are starting to move away from utvs and back into sport quads. I just picked up a used 400ex, a 2007 with exhaust, header pipe, k&n and the appropriate jetting. Wasn't my first choice but wasn't a planned purchase and didn't want to go into debt for something. It is solid and and makes good power. I have never road a 450 so i can't help but wonder what i'm missing tho. My buddy has a new raptor 700 and it makes nice power and a excellent seating position over the 660's.

[@ronaldtartaglia4459]

@@tylerdurden8939 400 ex is a awesome quad.... the fact that has reverse makes all the difference. I had a 2007 400EX and I loved it and I was going to get a 450R. But with no reverse that's a deal killer on the trails. 400EX is a sweet bike man especially that year

[@tylerdurden8939]

@@ronaldtartaglia4459 cool, i'm appreciating it more and more the longer i have it. It's pretty fast and is in excellent condition for a used quad. The no reverse would be a pain in the ass on trails.

[@williamdarling3873]

@@tylerdurden8939 I have an 02 400ex but it doesn't come with reverse sadly, but I found it is still ok to use on the trail because it's light enough to pull backwards or lift the rear end off the ground and turn it.

[@rome894]

Sport quads, race quads look better and are more fun

[@lukeschrader1199]

Man that ds450 sounds clean

[@heathlawrenz276]

Good to see guys still doing the sport quad thing. I had a ds loved it had an ltr also .Hard to believe the 450 craze was 10 years ago This video made me wanna get my banshee off the shelf in my garage.

[@PeteHager]

gotta keep the sport quads alive! I hope to get to try an LTR this season! Get that banshee out and ride :)

[@ronaldtartaglia4459]

Dude, that opening sequence really gets the blood pumping. I am so fired up just from watching it I'm looking for a new quad.

[@paytonk9121]

I just got a ds450 that needs clutch work and i cant wait to get it ripping, I heard it running and just knew it was gonna be amazing

[@KayDaGunna]

I always wanted a DS450 but after I sold my 300ex for my first car I fell out of the sport. Nice to see how cool they really are, sad they don’t make them anymore

[@beereadyyy9849]

Man i wish sport quads were road legal like they are in the UK id be riding all year long

[@jaydenmoyer8648]

I’ve watched this like 4 times it’s definitely one of my favorite vids of yours👍🏼

[@PeteHager]

Great to hear man! thanks for watching my videos 😊

[@jaydenmoyer8648]

Pete Hager just went and got a ds450😂

[@braxlandis3122]

Jayden Moyer lucky I’m still trying to get a raptor 700

[@jaydenmoyer8648]

Kaleb Jones I got a ds450

[@jimmymartin1902]

@@jaydenmoyer8648 How is it holding up? I'm looking at getting a 2015.

[@DownAndDirtyOffRoad]

These ds450s are beasts! Always been interested in them. Great sport quad to hit the trail with.

[@JohnDoe-jn4ex]

2003 Honda 400 ex here all day factory stock, love this video

[@lukeworrell8479]

Dang those ds450s are so cool. I wish pure sport quads would come back

[@Tunknatar]

@Jace Johnson No they don't.

[@joedirte716]

@Jace Johnson democrats are scum of the earth

[@lukeworrell8479]

Joe Lesiak amen my man

[@joedirte716]

@@markoajduk7096 fuck heah!

[@devonnorman3981]

Luke Worrell the raptor 700s or the brand new 2018 yfz450r those are sport quads and pretty much every other race ready quad u can think of so yea

[@GenerationAsian]

i remember when they first came out. woods and mx versions. good to see them still running good;

[@nathanaelhutchison43]

That looks like a super neat place to ride! Love the looks and sound of that ds450

[@TerrellSpivey]

Love your character and personality bro! Can watch your videos all day! 💯💯💪

[@Greywolfwarrior]

Same here Bruh!! Check out my new Moto vlog video 😁🤙🏻 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZLGgJaAotuGfKs

[@skidoo879]

That’s my old quad! Things still looking good!

[@PeteHager]

Thats awesome that you found this video! No way lol

[@peraperic9965]

Great !!! I am getting my first sportquad soon!!! Really enjoyed every minute of this video!!

[@jadendejesussargo5188]

This is the amount of times Pete said "that ds sounds good"

[@aaronlcorona1]

Got a 09 ds450 xc put a full shorty exhaust cut pink wire and kn filter 🤯 love my bike

[@viprgaming641]

Pete your videos are such nice quality. Always enjoy them

[@H0NDAC1VlC200CC]

Bombardier can am ds are always great mint 👌

[@LSDdreams808]

those ds450s are such nice machines brp makes amazing products. i love my raptor but the ds450 is a monster

[@torque-abundance9923]

raptor needs a sprocket upragde to race efficient and take advantage of the torque wo really losing a noticable bottom end, factory short gears for trails, though since the hp is pretty average, think it also has a setup for a easy turbo install already setup, can't say for certan.

[@ivanbosyuk4175]

I have 1 ds and I love that thing, got good power and tourqe, very fun to ride

[@RigAndMoto]

i always loved the way those ds 450s rode but the one i have experience with always had a bad record with reliability

[@kobraz88]

DS 450 2008 and 2009 has the pink wire (cut for race mode) Badass my DS450

[@concretefinisher57]

Really ?

[@Punisher1981]

Polarise 500 outlaw.. funny all the weekend warriors with there UTV I'll stick with the quad

[@joshuaadams5295]

That place looks amazing for riding

[@Kevin-e2p5k]

Great vid Pete! Ive had almost every brand of 450 and 2 new Raptor 700s and my current quad is an 09DS450x with the XC suspension swapped on to it… and its the lightest and best handling bike ive had to date … im 54 now so the almost stock power is loads enough now for me… but its noticeable with less power than the TRX and YFZ ive had. But still pulls super hard. My dream bike is to do a engine swap and throw a 04-05 kicker TRX big bore in my DS … it will happen … hopefully next season

[@PeteHager]

Thanks for sharing your experiences! I would love to have more seat time on the DS platform as I think they're super capable machines. I think swapping an 04/05 450r motor into one would be sick for sure. I appreciate you watching my video and good luck with your future build! 🤘

[@kangaroofat]

I used to have a 2007 ds650 baja x with a rons woods racing stage 3 kit, full exhaust,bored over to a 720!

[@truth654567]

Killer vids!!! We need to keep the sport going!

[@PeteHager]

truth654567 gotta save the sport quads!

[@truth654567]

@@PeteHager you're the best man, keep em coming!!!

[@sureshottacticalllc3616]

Good vid.. that’s a great little area to have close to home.. be great to have him come out with us

[@dbree9668]

been loving the ds 650 baja I got last summer

[@everythingloud4068]

I was actually looking at a ds450 before the raptor.and great video I loved it

[@benkrieg1014]

I'm searching videos with can am ds450 and hoping you had one pete! And yes of course you do!!!! Thanks man haha

[@PeteHager]

Oh boy time to pick up a Can Am too??😅🤘

[@That.Lifted.Ranger]

I have a Ds450xmx, full fmf, beadlocks, graphics, beef bars, bumpers, aftermarket oil tank, and more abs it’s mint, also aftermarket cooling fan it’s awesome

[@Ladenshere]

The canam sounds sweet, but it sounds like the exhaust needs repacked

[@PeteHager]

Kaden Leonard I thought it had that hollow sound as well, it may be worth looking into!

[@termell7700]

Termell Griffni 😘😍💙💚👩🧔

[@HYPERSXNIC]

Aye im trying to buy a racing fourwheeler do you have and recommend to buy

[@mxlura1]

@@HYPERSXNIC can am 450 or trx 450 or ktm 450

[@jeremyschwandner7163]

@@PeteHager where Is this gravel pit ?outside kato?

[@matthews7992]

I love your atv and you vids

[@23MikeJ22]

Awesome riding guys!!

[@southernshenanigans6087]

I love the ds I’ve got a ds650 and it’s like nothing else,it tries to kill me every time I throw a leg over it

[@OnlyOneNation74]

Same, it’s a shame that they're hated on a lot

[@trailblogger]

Great video! man that Can am is pretty fast! We will just say he had the home field advantage on that last one

[@PeteHager]

Thanks man! I didn't launch well that evening, the main goal was to see them under power next to each other and I think after 3 runs you got a good idea as to how fast that DS was. Next video will be some good ol fashioned trail riding!

[@СергейБезсмертный-к1ь]

TrailBlogger dfnndghfygdyuofjgbiopypo

[@FALpwn]

Don't have a quad but i like your channel

[@PanosTsadaris]

love ds 450!

[@jaakko2917]

imagine a videogame with freeroam, atvs and bikes and realistic physics 👌😂

[@nigelbigboirapper7093]

There is

[@mefoy3766]

Jaakko Matinlauri play off-road outlaws

[@codykochan-erdman9620]

Imagine going outside

[@FALpwn]

Fuel

[@mefoy3766]

Jaakko Matinlauri or mx vs atv if you’ll buy a game that’s not free

[@aaronmckinley1051]

Nice ride!!!! Makes me miss my KTM 450xc, seeing that DS. Love the vids!!

[@biglol5275]

Hello, pls someone answer, I am going to buy a 250cc. I’m stuck between a raptor 250 and a can am ds 250. Which one should I buy? My opinion is the raptor 250 is better looking and better sounding, but too expensive. Someone please tell me which is better

[@PeteHager]

I don't know much about the DS250 but the Raptor 250 has the reputation of being one of the best machines in it's class. Plus there's more aftermarket available for them. I also know the Raptor 250 is a full manual with a clutch and I'm not sure if the DS has the same set up. I would go Yamaha if you can!😊

[@biglol5275]

@@PeteHager thanks, but I cant find one in my country since production stopped

[@139580medel]

That was perfect bro! Keep it up!

[@adamjayandtheuglycrew3079]

I just recently got a 2001 ds650! I’d love to see a comparison between the 450 and the 650!

[@mobleyMobley]

I just got a 05 x, so sweet

[@philhascandy2161]

wicked video, g'day boys from western Australia.

[@isaac2152]

Regret selling mine, best damn sport quads out there.

[@super_street_racer5094]

When brp are onto something they just dominate... The DS 450x is imo the best quad.

[@gmrtg1414]

I have a 2011 DS 450mx and love it!!!

[@PeteHager]

Your lucky! I was very impressed with this XC model. I bet your MX model handles on rails!!

[@gmrtg1414]

I had a kfx450r before the DS 450 and loved that bike too. The DS is just planted to the ground and more stable with the width of the machine. The cost for long travel shocks and extended arms was going to cost more then I would’ve ever been able to get back on the 450r so I sold it. I tested a YFZ 450r also but liked the feel of the DS better.

[@dontaviousgrace1517]

03 SVT Cobra which bike was faster, your KFX450R or your ds450? I’m in the market for one and can’t decide between the 2

[@gmrtg1414]

Dontavious Grace They seemed pretty equal the DS handles better.

[@efrenrodriguez741]

Do you still have your ds450 mx?

[@ononewheel7]

That pit looks like a blast id be jumping over that big up/downhill section you guys should hit it lol

[@PeteHager]

ononewheel7 it was pretty steep! If you came up short it would be pretty gnarly lol

[@dustinledford6150]

I was thinking the same thing lol love to get the tires off the ground😀😀

[@ononewheel7]

Pete Hager dont come up short 🤣🤣🤣

[@ononewheel7]

Dustin Ledford oh ya me as well check my channel out for some jumping action 😎

[@dustinledford6150]

@@ononewheel7 will do brother👍👍

[@markoajduk7096]

ATV's/Quads look small on video but they are huge in real life especially proper ATVs

[@DodiJeddah69Xtreme]

Very cool race , Weldon keep up the good work

[@pasturedriftkings7174]

Oh my god the sand pit looks hell of fun that Ds does sound good though

[@supremeskate845]

That ds will get up and go !

[@wls_trx]

#sportquads they must come back!

[@jomarsx4687]

Got a 2015 Polaris 450 and damn it looks the same as mine with that color and body, surprised it was a 570 cause it looked like a 450

[@codyfeatherstone553]

I love the DS 😍

[@manders78]

Biggest mistake I ever made was selling my 2009 DS450 XmX. I want it back and can’t find one for sale anywhere on the west coast.

[@PeteHager]

Dang.. It seems like a lot of people who have commented really liked their DS450's. Hopefully you find another one some day!

[@wallaceryan77]

Seen that 570 surprised you, I have a 05 TRX480r dune quad and a 570 as a backup. The 570 rips! Lol

[@PeteHager]

They're pretty capable. It's fun to go rippin around on 4x4's now and then!

[@shaneletson]

really enjoyed your video

[@IronriverVlogs]

I’d still take the raptor!! It pulls on everything but the 1k quads!!

[@viperstrike3827]

Cassi Collins and many 1k machines

[@carolmcneil7409]

My ds 650 would smoke your raptor. Raced many raptors over the years and never lost one race with the DS 650, shes a beast

[@yungwitch9325]

Carol McNeil wya let’s race

[@susdad]

He just lost every race to a 450 let alone 1000’s

[@susdad]

Can ams are ONLY fast... In 1 year you replace half the quad though... Yamaha lasts forever ...

[@dirtyjeepgl1620]

Both sound good!👍

[@KingGoRealLa205]

Very nice!! Love the vids!!

[@lilsolo68]

Put more weight on the front, launch harder, and stay in the wheelie longer. As long as your rear tire pressure is even you should track fairly straight enough to hold that wheelie through 1st 2nd and maybe even 3rd gear

[@PeteHager]

I like all those ideas, what pressure do you normally run? I tend to be around that 5 PSI mark. I definitely plan on launching in 2nd from now on, I need to commit and stay on the gas

[@stevenguzman4591]

@@PeteHager how many gears does the raptor go up to

[@ahmedadely141]

Awesome gopro view man keep it up

[@jasonramsden8084]

Two questions. 1. Is the Raptor a 660 or 700? 2. How much weight can the Raptor handle? The reason I ask is because I'm a heavyset guy, 400+.

[@PeteHager]

Hey Jason, thanks for watching my video! The 700 is a bit bigger than the 660, plus its fuel injected and a better platform overall. I know a lot of bigger guy's get their shocks sent off and revalved for their weight/riding style. If you get a Raptor 700 try to find one with the adjustable piggy back shocks. The base model shocks would need to be replaced entirely whereas the special edition model's suspension can be reworked for your needs. One of the most popular guy's in the industry for Raptor suspension is Jogaca Suspension Works. The owners name is Kevin and he's a super nice guy, tons of positive feedback about his work. Here's a link to his facebook facebook.com/Jogaca-Suspension-Works-1653322231579405/ This is a more cost effective option (upwards to $1000-1500) whereas full blown aftermarket can cost $2-3K.

[@jasonramsden8084]

@@PeteHager I'm more leaning towards the Grizzly 700. I drove the Griz 660 when I was younger, fell in love.

[@davemortimer9611]

Too bad they never sold well. Seems like the Market only prefers Yamaha and Honda. I have yet to see a DS450 in the wild. CanAm was onto something with this quad, lot of innovation like hollow axle, unique aluminum frame, etc. The public just prefered the bigger makers.

[@YetiRC]

It wasnt really "advanced" compared to the KTM or even the YFZ at the time...and hondas still own the "reliability" market. not knocking can-am but they are not the "sport" quad king.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Bro had a coworker who was into quad racing years ago (he had injuries, haha). His weapon was the YFZ450R. Hardly a stock part on that machine. But he drag raced a Vtwin superbike down the parking lot at his workplace. Left black marks through 3rd gear on his launches.

[@leedimatteo5078]

that ds is quick!! weird seeing a left side mounted pipe, good rip!

[@SketchyXC]

well that looked like fun!!!

[@PeaJayYt]

Love the new intro bro

[@PeteHager]

MotoP couple clips from the next vid in it 😉

[@PeaJayYt]

@@PeteHager Your vids are the reason I grabbed my raptor 700 Haha. Check em out, I think it's the last 3 vids on my channel

[@PeteHager]

I'll subscribe and check them out when I get a chance!

[@juliansoltero3138]

where did you get those side plastics that look towards you were the instructions were before

[@PeteHager]

On eBay, just type in Raptor 700 warning labels 👍

[@tmac9330]

Awesome video

[@briancrouch6146]

I luv my DS 450 ive had every 450 n banshee its very deep n loud n extremely fast even faster than my raptor 734 hard to get parts 4 is downfall especially in rear end like the wheel n sprocket hubs only downfall

[@scottbrough7977]

That is a cool quad, this is awesome.

[@jsavage9134]

The Can am dude knows how to launch better! Raptor is sleeping on the last run

[@PeteHager]

SAVAGEBUMBLEBEE02 trying to launch softly didn’t work. Next launch will be a wide open 2nd gear launch! 👍

[@jsavage9134]

Pete Hager Okok and bro not hating I love your videos jut hate watching that Raptor loose when ik it should win

[@PeteHager]

SAVAGEBUMBLEBEE02 with a perfect launch it would barely edge out the Can am. Even though he was getting me off the line, when we were both under power it was impressive to see that thing pull

[@chasekestner7573]

Nah dude the ds has aluminum fram they are very fast

[@elliottapfel3609]

I have both a DS450 and Raptor700... the DS450 is WAY quicker and lighter..

[@juliansaiz5714]

I have a Polaris 400 2 stroke with the 1 gear transmission and idk I’m just bored I want a manual but idk what to get? A raptor? Help me out

[@PeteHager]

I chose the Raptor because it's a great all around, reliable machine! if you like to trail ride and don't care for the whole mudding scene then a pure sport like a Raptor may be perfect for you. However, if you think you may need 4 wheel drive on occasion that something like a Renegade or a new Scrambler may be more suitable for you. It can also come down to what your friends ride too. If everyone is on 4x4 quads then you may want to have the same type of machine. 👍

[@juliansaiz5714]

Pete Hager I hate mud bogging it’s so stupid lmao and the 4x4 quads are so ugly and big, I want a lightweight forwheeler similar to what I have now but with a Manual and something faster

[@PeteHager]

It's hard to beat the reliability of a Raptor. You could also look into something like a 400ex if you want something a little smaller and even more affordable. 450's are a lot of fun but they do tend to require a bit more maintenance than a lot of these trail quads. They call the Raptor the king of the trails for a reason!

[@javiersalas1606]

Awesome video dude

[@jefftandjenc]

Patiently awaiting a Yfz purchase lol

[@PeteHager]

jefftandjenc haha I’m glad your patient because it may be a little while, I do plan on getting a 450 sooner than later! I’ve always wanted both machines

[@jefftandjenc]

Will continue to wait watch and thumbs up

[@Nick-xt2mj]

Pete you should get a ds I would love to see someone producing ds 450 content lol

[@PeteHager]

Nick 420 that would be really cool but I may go the Honda or Yamaha route. I have a good relationship with my dealer and they mainly handle Yamaha, Honda, and KTM. I hope I get a chance to try an LTR someday. I’ve always heard great things about them

[@SalamiCheeks]

Pete Hager the trx is still carbureted though isn’t it?? I just sold my 2012 ltz 400 and am having such a hard time deciding on buying a yfz or raptor. I love how the yfz can be whipped around so easily but the raptor is just so cool looking and has reverse which is huge for trail riding.

[@tacticalwho3502]

I live in MN and trying to find places to ride, what is that sand pit place called???

[@PeteHager]

TacticalWho? This pit was south of Le Sueur. What part of the state are you?

[@tacticalwho3502]

Pete Hager I am in Hackensack, by walker how long would that take to get there?

[@PeteHager]

that Pit is pretty small and probably wouldn't be worth the drive down. Plus it's technically private. If your want to go to more of a playground Appleton OHV Park in MN is pretty fun!

[@tacticalwho3502]

Pete Hager okay thanks! I was thinking about going there so I will take your word! 🙂

[@PeteHager]

@@tacticalwho3502 I drive 2 and a half hours to get to appleton. It's always worth the drive

[@derrorschacher9895]

Power 👍👍👍

[@MotoMichelle]

Yes 😃

[@alskdjgh8859]

Awesome videos, sweet quad. Food for thought. Next time when drag racing, try holding the throttle wide open when shifting, dont release it till the race is over. When launching out , try using more clutch then letting go of the throttle. It will help. Shifting sooner then ringing the RPMs out will also make it move faster to top speed. Give it a try and once its mastered you will see the difference.

[@jackhaus2203]

awesome to c u posted a vid with a ds 450, planning out getting one very soon, my buddies have 2 and they rip

[@mattayers4592]

love the videos man GG

[@jaydonc2032]

hey i really enjoy your vids and just wanted to say hi

[@PeteHager]

Hey Jaydon! Thanks for watching them!

[@ROTAXD]

I’ve ridden a few ds450’s and yea’ they’ve got tons of power on tap, handle great etc...but if you’re not built like a proverbial jockey they’re terrible on long rides (as are all of the rest of the 450 class machines). I still have an 03 ds650 baja that fits us taller guys better than a 450 class bike.

[@PeteHager]

Thats why I got the raptor first. It's definitely more comfortable if your gonna spend all day on the machine! The DS650 is a really cool machine, I hope I get a chance to ride one someday

[@ROTAXD]

Pete Hager if you get the chance to ride a (mostly) stock one that hasn’t been bastardized...jump at the chance !

[@Zozo806]

Well the reason for this is you nostly don't very sit on the track.

[@superaverageentertainment]

Brandon = GOAT

[@njm1251]

Great videos all around, looked liked u were climbing in him at the end

[@theofficialk.a.m...p4760]

Im a light rider broski. How i bring the front end down without aftermarket?

[@obedlegarda7604]

The only sad thing is that he let u borrow the DS but u didn’t let him borrow the raptor :(

[@christopherjacquez8605]

Right lol that's fucked up

[@johncameron1133]

Had an 09 450 had to go up a size on the back end tires just ride the trails around home / do you find yourself bottoming out much?

[@johnpaul531]

I have a Yamaha raptor 350 and it may be a beginning quad, but damn I’m to scared currently to make a jump to a higher power level

[@PeteHager]

The raptor 350 is a great all around machine! When I went from a Scrambler 500 to my KTM it was pretty crazy. I was scared of that thing for a few weeks. You'd be surprised how soon you'll adjust to more power, it's just on you to respect it in the beginning until your comfortable!

[@johnpaul531]

Pete Hager dang!!!! I’m thinking about getting a trx 450r because there is a man selling for 2200, so hopefully I can snag that up

[@bravoman866]

Who sells the yamaha plates that go where the safety plaques were at?

[@PeteHager]

B1GxWENDEL you can buy them on eBay , just type in the ATV model followed by “warning plates” 👍

[@juanchileone6532]

I love your quad broo

[@smr4712]

Love your vids

[@Paintotheworld11]

Come to new mexico. I have a couple ltr450s you can test out

[@mefoy3766]

ll 1stPlace ll New Mexico has a bunch of great dirt bike and four wheeler riding places

[@Paintotheworld11]

@@mefoy3766 I know. I live in las cruces and it has some of the best mountain and desert trails.

[@mefoy3766]

ll 1stPlace ll I live there too!

[@mefoy3766]

I would show you some of the places I go but I can’t really do that on KZbin

[@Paintotheworld11]

@@mefoy3766 let's ride up this weekend lol

[@jacobbussell6242]

Wich would you rather have the can am or raptor

[@PeteHager]

Jacob Bussell I have the Raptor for specific reasons. It really depends on the terrain I’m riding. In that gravel pit I would have more fun on the DS but for more casual trail riding and high speed ditch riding I would rather have the Raptor. The DS and all other 450’s obviously can do those things but I find the Raptor to be more comfortable. It’s softer and less aggressive which can be nice at times. I do plan on getting a 450 eventually for track riding and playground type settings like this

[@jacobbussell6242]

Same