First session of "drop" or "out" using Ivan Balabanov's Training Without Conflict way!

[@yesplease6399]

Thanks for sharing this!!! Exactly what i needed.

[@leadoffleashk9training]

Thanks for watching!! 🤩🐾

[@susanmckernan4644]

Fun to watch! Workout for you and Louie.

[@leadoffleashk9training]

it sure is!!! :)

[@susanmckernan4644]

He's a beauty!

[@leadoffleashk9training]

🤩🤩

[@garrattstone1142]

Thanks for sharing! So is the sequence - cue, tug on prong collar until dog lets go, then restart the game? Then eventually the dog learns to avoid the pressure from the prong and drops on the verbal cue? Is there a risk that the dog finds the pops on the prong aversive and then doesn’t want to play anymore?

[@leadoffleashk9training]

The one thing you’re missing is the marker word (or signal or cue, whatever you wanna call it) that tells him he did it right and that he’s released to go back into play. I use the word “yes“. Ivan uses the word “OK“. Otherwise the sequence is correct. And those signals/cues/markers let the dog know what’s coming next. When you do say your cue for release from the command and allowed to go back into play, make sure you pause for a moment… Say your release cue, THEN move your hand to get the toy, don’t let your hand be moving to the toy as you’re saying you’re release cue, or that becomes the cue - not the word. I hope that makes sense. (So the exact moment when he opens his mouth is what you are marking with your “yes!” Which means he can go back in to play)

[@garrattstone1142]

@@leadoffleashk9training Thanks! Yes makes sense very clear. What size prong collar do you recommend for dogs under 15lbs? The 2.25mm or the 1.5mm?

[@leadoffleashk9training]

@@garrattstone1142 I never use a micro. The smallest I go to is 2.25 and if that doesn’t work, I don’t think the dog needs one. You should be able to do the same thing with a slip lead, a fur saver/choke style collar, or martingale.

[@garrattstone1142]

@@leadoffleashk9training Thanks so much for the reply! One more question - can you teach this during chase and catch or better to do it during possession games?

[@leadoffleashk9training]

@@garrattstone1142 whatever the dog likes best is what you should go for. So if they’re really fired up for chase n catch, then teach it there. Whatever it is that gets them motivated to want to try again and motivated to not mind the lesson. So the aversive thing happens, then you want to rebuild them, help them recover, make them feel good again before doing it again. Btw, this is TWC! I highly recommend checking it out if you haven’t.

[@badele80]

Hi thank you for these videos! My 5 month old puppy when I am playing in the yard ball with her often stops to chew on the long line instead of playing ball. What do I do? I have been spraying the antilick spray but the lead is so long I guess it's not saturated enough to deter her. It completely ruins the game

[@leadoffleashk9training]

I would actually get the possession games video of Ivan‘s. And if the dog likes to tug on the leash, you can let him talk on the leash with you and then transfer it to a toy later. Definitely check out possession games. academy.trainingwithoutconflict.com/the-possession-games to see what I mean. (You could look at some of my videos to find ones that aren’t retrieve, but rather the tug. Which is possession.) It seems like your dog would probably enjoy that immensely. Also, get a ball on a rope from Star Mark if he loves a ball too.

[@badele80]

Thank you! This is amazing! Ivan teaches pack leader style from what i understand yes? So letting the dog choose what they want, when to play, initiate play or letting them have the toy when they want doesn't diminish you as the pack leader? I hear all different things that trainers say is losing "authority" like person has to eat first which i don't see how that makes a difference. I also heard a dog can't initiate affection when you want to maintain pack leader you ignore then you initiate the affection a few minutes later. Does Ivan have rules regarding this?

[@leadoffleashk9training]

He would not use the label “pack style”. (He actually isn’t into labels too much.) But yes, he will let a puppy be a puppy and initiate, but he will use that initiation and excitement for play (and leash biting) and structure it in such a way that the handler gains authority. It really is about keeping motivation up but also thru the play you gain authority. (ie when you ask for that drop command, the dog does it… Win win.) I highly recommend his videos for play. The Cornerstone Collection in particular. academy.trainingwithoutconflict.com/the-cornerstone-collection

[@sergiosalazar5628]

Would you recommend chase and catch or possession game if you could only do one?

[@leadoffleashk9training]

Well, I would try to do both! Lol. That would be important big picture. But if I had to pick just one now, I probably would for sure get the “out“ video, unless your dog already has a solid out, and depending on the dog, I would do one or the other. It depends on the dogs, level of confidence, interest, etc. If the dog is more retriever-based I would do chase and catch. If the dog really likes to grab things and take it and runoff with it or tug with you, then I would start with possession. But again, big picture is doing both. Possession is a competitive game where as Chase and catch is a cooperative game. I think they serve two different sets of emotions in dogs. If you could really afford - I would do the corner stone collection. Here is a link to all of his videos. They’re so well worth the money! academy.trainingwithoutconflict.com/

[@badele80]

Hello! I got the possession games and he is talking about ending the game..says its not important who takes the toy as long as the word done us said and understood. What if my puppy keeps grabbing it..or wants to run around with it and i want ger to come inside and i can put the toy away? Don't know what to do with this

[@leadoffleashk9training]

I would play with it. Meaning play with how she understands what “all done“ means. Maybe you need to put the toy away for now after you say “all done” and sit with her and pet with her and give her water. And then later, when she does hear “all done“ then she just realizes the game is over, but she can still have the toy. So maybe do remove the toy for now, but it doesn’t have to be forever. She just has to realize that “all done” means the game is over, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the ball/toy goes away. Every dog is different. Every human is different. So just try different things. Hope this helps. (for example, I’ll say all done to my dog, and then say get some water, and he knows that he can leave the toy. Not worry about me playing anymore and he’s missing out. He knows that sequence. It’s kind of cool. Sometimes if I just say “all done” he may persist and try to get me to play more. But when I do end say, “get some water“ then he really knows it’s over. I know that’s truly my end cue for him. (When we’re really paying attention to them and what we are saying/cueing, we realize what we’ve taught them. And when we’re just doing low-stakes pet obedience, it’s not always what we intended to teach but if we pay attention, we can use what they learned/picked up to get where we want w them)