FIRST TIME HEARING!! Alchemist explains Double x Selling same Beat to Jadakiss - Ras Kass REACTION

hip hop producer, The Alchemist recent did a Complex Magazine interview defending the process in which he originally sold a beat to Ras Kass and eventually sold that same beat to Jadakiss of the Lox which would go on to become the hit record "We Gone Make It"
after 100's of tags/notifications, Ras decided to watch this interview for the first time and film his honest Reaction (Part 1)

[@reefb4364]

Talk about lyricism- this guy is one of the most slept on dudes in the industry! For those who don’t know - check out “ Soul on Ice ( diamond D remix)” and Nature of the Threat🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿

[@harisparwaiz735]

Every hip hop head knows RAS had that beat first.

[@jayfarris4564]

Facts.

[@devinmccrorey4911]

Exactly. I was a Ras fan back then. I remember reading this story in Source magazine when all this first happened. Alchemist admitted he sold the beat to Jada after selling it to Ras. Ras story never changed. It never had to because he's telling the truth.

[@devinmccrorey4911]

@stryfetc1 believe it or not there was a lot of buzz around Ras when he first emerged. Ras never had a "hit" but after of that was mistakes made by his label and mistakes in his personal life. But not due to lack of skill or appeal.

[@obscuresoundz]

facts

[@muhammedalli3143]

Who did it better?

[@atilelhuno6801]

The Waterproof MC!!!!

[@iNeverHadMercy]

💯🍻

[@JohnWilliams-rd8jy]

“You ain’t wetting me”

[@kosmique]

"you need to stop rappin..."

[@silewis9396]

"..and start robbing banks like Steady B, cos see..."

[@iNeverHadMercy]

"...no matter how much green you make..."

[@saturncrush]

One of those hip hop urban legends. Nice set up for the reaction and putting truth to celluloid.

[@clarissaturcios2346]

Notice Alc starts scratching his beard when the question was brought up...signs of someone trying to make something up

[@turtleanton6539]

Yuup

[@1khardimon]

He know shit was fuched up!

[@clarissaturcios2346]

AL tried to rewrite History like his ancestors

[@dco1019]

We all have a tendency to do that now dont we?

[@808kicks2]

@@dco1019 if you’re white,mos def

[@DhaniTamon]

@@dco1019 Nah don’t put us all in it. Take your hit.

[@juanrivera4312]

NATURE OF THE THREAT..BY. RAS CASS VIRGIN ISLANDS PEACE ✊✊✊

[@aat3345]

Palestine is not real.

[@johnedwards507]

Yo... Al played himself on that. I look at him different now. Stand up and be stand up fam. Rass, history has proved you correct sir. Salute!

[@onistone]

Now Jada showed Ras is an amateur. Al made the right move after the dust cleared.

[@AQUAPHREESH193]

@@onistone Amateur at what? Lol wtf is amateur about Ras Kass to you? 😂😂

[@onistone]

The fact that he's been around for years but nobody remembers any of his songs.

[@alanpage4075]

Obviously everyone in this comment section remembers his songs, that’s why we’re here.

[@rlazz]

@@onistone Nobody is a very big word buddy

[@carlosrobbins9178]

Wikipedia sez, "In 1999, the Alchemist supplied the beat to rapper Ras Kass and was paid for the first half of the money for the instrumental. . . The Alchemist later attempted to receive the second half of his payment, but Ras Kass's record label Priority Records was not responding to him. . . " Alchemist should've sued for money due.

[@biggmixxo]

Once u have sold/been paid for a track, U can't legally sell it. It's already sold.

[@marvinbrunson7238]

You can lease it though, right?

[@biggmixxo]

@@marvinbrunson7238 true

[@A_Class216]

@@marvinbrunson7238 yup. But in this situation it wasn't a lease beat. Ras brought it out right. Al wrong for double dipping.

[@blacknature]

@@A_Class216 yup. also, at that point ras only recourse would've been to issue a cease and desist, but it would have been against jada (whose career as a solo artist was about to take off) and not al. he chose the high road for jada.

[@jonathansoko1085]

​​No you are all wrong. You don't understand how the industry works it doesn't work like SoundCloud and Google beats work. When you operate with labels, things are different you can't just lease and exclusive sell beats it doesn't work that way. The internet has y'all dudes f***** up with this s*** you don't understand any of this stop talking. When you operate with big labels there are lawyers there are paperwork there's no such thing as exclusive and leased beats in these scenarios. Y'all are treating this like it's someone selling beats to KZbin content creators. ​@@marvinbrunson7238

[@posajnejkwahb]

Shame ALC still is dancing around this one, just own up to it

[@sicarioinfantry78]

Wtf Uncle Al is a legend

[@posajnejkwahb]

@@sicarioinfantry78 Not disputing that, just saying that he didn't do the right thing here.

[@AQUAPHREESH193]

@@posajnejkwahb yeah I hate when people act like people are infallible based on their talent 😂 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@blacknature]

exactly, just say it al: 'yeah i was new in the biz, i sold it to ras. but i wanted to be put on and jada was a bigger/better look'. it's 20 years later. it doesn't matter at this point other than for hip hop heads

[@DC-xp4bl]

@@blacknature New? Making excuses for him huh? Al been in the industry since 91-92’.

[@jdioramasjdioramas2814]

Rass Kass means Ethiopian King he from California speaking deep

[@juanrivera4312]

Ras Cassa a WARRIOR WHO STOOD WITH KING MENELIK and FOUGHT OFF EUROPEANS IN ETHIOPIA.. HISTORY TRUTH VIRGIN ISLANDS PEACE ✊✊✊

[@A_Class216]

The sad thing is this happens A LOT. This same thing caused Rick Ross and TI to fall out early in Ross career.

[@calebsuterone.teotheevilon2092]

This make me look at alchemist Lil different because we all know he ain't fkn stupid and he knows legally that shyt was bought and paid for but what really got me in some type of mood it's one thing that at the time which was yes along time ago he might of not been hip to kass regardless its the present day and rass kass one of the nicest/illest to ever bless the mic period not just on the west but the whole country and I feel like and this is just my opinion but alchemist shoulda been putting alil more respect just in his attitude speaking bout one of the Goats.... But that's just me.....

[@kamikazi5144]

All facts, he was on some disrespectful shit back then

[@onpoint357]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💯💯💯💯

[@onpoint357]

Definitely one of the goats >>>>>> kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIa8oGWBYtSoqq8 💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@edbaiza7757]

On Point Caleb👍 Im second guessing Alchemist too!! I think its called too much competition among producers and artists!!

[@profo4544]

Rass kass could of put a cease and desist on it but he didnt he said this in the math hoffa podcast..., jadakiss wouldnt have a career if that happend plus jadakiss was already getting screwed by puffy. Jadakiss almost can thank this dude for his career. Im not even kidding idk if u kids know how shit works. millions of cd's and records would of have to been destroyed, and jadakiss would of probably done somethin foul to alchemist for doin what he did. This could of went a totally different direction people dont even know

[@iNeverHadMercy]

Same thing happened with Usher and Petey Pablo with that "Freak-A-Leek" track. Q-Tip never lied when he said the record industry was shady. No diss to Jada but Ras did the track the ultimate justice.

[@monteellis4436]

The Lox version is a classic

[@iNeverHadMercy]

@@monteellis4436 🍻

[@DSBP1]

I like Ras Kass version but you can’t diminished the work that Styles and Jada did on that beat

[@mhvacr_]

Jada crushed it. It was meant for them . Period

[@iNeverHadMercy]

@@mhvacr_ Alchemist played Ras......the beat was meant for him 💰💰💰

[@kylec.8350]

Ras speaking the facts as usual.

[@mrjames851]

The craziest part is that Alchemist admitted in that clip to being paid for the beat and taking it back because he hadn't heard. As a producer, I understand how it feels, but if you were paid for the music ... he didn't even say "I'll swap it out for another beat" or anything like that

[@dantheman4838]

Al couldn't even swap it out. He already played Rass his best beats and Rass paid for 3 but only took 1 cos he didnt like the rest. Likewise, Jada picked the same beat and turned down the rest. That means Al only had one beat worth selling in that moment and had nothing else to offer either artist.

[@jaimainelee3609]

This.

[@onistone]

The craziest part is Alchemist made the right choice because everyone loved Jada on the track and everyone easily forgotten Ras Kas version. Ras got big leagued and should have stfu unless he felt he better mc than Jada. Instead he cried and now there's video after video of him crying.

[@romant142]

@@onistone No Al should’ve honoured the contract nothing else matters

[@onistone]

But the whole hip hop world is happy that he didn't. And that's what matters.

[@magoakshun]

I like both records. I’m just glad I can listen to both now

[@newphilmz3605]

Prodigy did the same thing with a verse that's what started the Tru Life beef.

[@Bray_Jay]

Yep. When an interviewer mentioned, the name "Tru Life", to Prodigy, Prodigy refrained from saying anything about him.

[@hatezis]

thanks for the explanation

[@iceb-akap77ice93]

Yo yo. Long time no see. Dope as always. ✌

[@FeastTheStoic]

Man i wish yall two legends would figure this out man. Shit hurts my heart brutha.

[@korbinpheenix]

Alchemist gotta make it right.. you should get him on a podcast but honestly he'd prally get defensive for tryna clout chase and the shit backfirin on him.

[@nyceflix]

The production values for a "reaction video" are praise worthy.

[@frankturcios6075]

Its like an Mc selling the same verse to different projects

[@tellyourauntimmovingon1528]

Mf Doom

[@shaydakayda]

Yall are cool tho right? You was on an alchemist beat after this with Raekwon and evidence on evidence album. Crazy how it all goes down. Much love to you all

[@malcfloyd4628]

Alc a industry plant givin negativity back instead of helpin the hood. Ras said he onnat "Hollywood BS"

[@VincentWhite-zp4xn]

Red carpet is 🔥 to this day

[@SoulofPimpC]

As someone who read nearly every rap publication in the nineties, this is exactly how I recall it being reported. It was a bad look for Al at the time.

[@juandavidmontanezvalbuena1789]

The Indie underground music is better than commercial in terms of more Healthy commercial deals and human relationship (in most of the cases).

[@SonniBlack180]

Al’s story is all over the damn place. He should just apologize to Ras Kass and just refund that man his $4500. That’s the least he could do. Ijs

[@yungwill9179]

Remember Ras’ legal troubles and supposed bootleg issues with that album. Ras was self sabotaging too and it ended with someone who kept it clean. I love Razzy he my no.1 but I was very disappointed that he also helped in keeping his self down😢

[@GonjaSensai]

He threw shade at Millennium Thug lol

[@carlosbarrientos594]

This happens every where, in any industry. Individuals are good at something. But have horrible ,business practices/ integrity

[@tragiksituation]

Definitely true and it's crazy cuz it's artist who may rap street but they not street so they be too scared to speak up

[@nelsonsousa4226]

Yeah ok but you made Nature of the threat and Anything Goes so.......... Matter of fact the whole Soul on ice album is a classic. Somethings are just not worth the attention anymore. I as a lifetime hiphop fan appreciate your album......And Jadakiss his We gon make it. And shiiiit Alchemist his projects he been releasing these past years. Celebrate us bruh....... our culture, Fuck the internet vultures You are a legend

[@profo4544]

if rass kass would of put out a cease and desist on it, jada wouldnt have a career, and al prolly wulda got hurt for doing what he did. go watch the math podcast with rass. plus jada was already getting screwed by puffy on a horrible contract

[@imjstmichael86]

Oh this finna be good

[@jarretkarlson]

alchemist you still my little buddy

[@sixsixalex]

Why is it so difficult for Alchemist to say "I fk'd up, my bad".

[@Bray_Jay]

Pride.

[@mistatriplesix]

I wonder if the same thing happend with the "Wild Pitch" & "Take It Back Home" by Rascoe & Planet Asia?!?!?!

[@miracleink548]

Nah. That was two different producers and two totally different beats. They just used the same sample, but the beats are completely different.

[@jewelertv980]

Gett'em Ras

[@kendeezy3z]

I love his beats lol 😂

[@rayzrealm]

*Interesting*

[@D-Lain]

damn that's kinda crazy Alc lol

[@markgillan3750]

Rass Kiss

[@Fresh619FBA]

West Coast Royalty. Listen up!!!! Hip Hop Royalty💯💯💯💯

[@kincamell2]

Heavy. Ps Much Gratitude

[@dustinlambert1545]

Man I miss hearing Kass hold that West coast up

[@raulpena3837]

I feel Rass is telling the truth it’s already documented but i feel the song would not be what it is today if it wasn’t given 2 kiss and I feel Alchemist knew that…But it still isn’t cool regardless

[@newphilmz3605]

So he ripped off Ras Kass and Nashawn? He said he took it back twice, that's foul

[@cperkins5050]

These are respectable cool guys. They need to work out a different track.

[@imjstmichael86]

Alot of ppl he has a heart like God in some ways alot of ppl would have been angry or bitter about this stuff but a heart like gods filters out alot of nonsense

[@beatsinmycrates]

Heard home sweet home on the wake up show taped it with my friend. And that was around the time or might of been the show they debuted dilated worse come to worse. Was very confusing after that the video for we going to make it.

[@tragiksituation]

I think what's lost in this story is the fact that Alchemist just won't flat out admit that he wasn't feeling Ras Kass verse and he pulled a fast one and thats grimey on Alchemist side cuz Ras is one of the greatest lyricists ever

[@onistone]

But not as great as Jada

[@tragiksituation]

@@onistone we all have our opinions fam I'm a Jada fan too he kills features but at the same time he's like Ras in the sense that they both are great lyricists but they don't always spit over the best beats

[@officialreplik5095]

@@onistone It ain’t bout that Al did some slimy shit and Ras Kas is as ill or more iller as a lyricist than Jada

[@newphilmz3605]

@@onistone I like Jadakiss, but he's overrated lyrically. He uses the same monotone flow every song. He has a few good punchlines, but that's it. His style is pretty simple when you break it down

[@forcedtohaveahandle]

@@onistone Styles P wrote some of Jada’s greatest bars/verses/songs tho plus 1994-2001 Ras Kass was way better

[@Son1UPTu]

You should try and get paperwork from the The label about this and make a vid about that as well !

[@yazeedyairbey]

Yo!

[@watata21]

Cmon Unc Al...gotta make it right, it's been 20 years ..smh.

[@balle733]

Did he do part 2 yet?

[@dynamic9016]

Interesting.

[@Harlemkat121]

Alchemist never mentioned giving the money back. Dude is a cold snake

[@DjSatin]

Wild...

[@slsmith9411]

Wow damn

[@plmedia01]

Who edited this video? They got bars!!!

[@JoelHernandez-yl6yw]

So… he sold the beat, then sold it again? Seems legit 😂

[@learnandteach7371]

Kiss version is much better no disrespect

[@aftekharkhan1094]

Ah man ... Alan come on maaaayyne. Disappointed I'm Alan still trying to push his narrative smh. I remember when the whole drama was going on. Rahzel was on the Tim Westwood show, and it was the 'drama hour' and Tim was asking Rahzel and the people listening in who had the better joint after playing both Home Sweet Home and We Gone Make It. When Tim asked Rahzel he responded by saying let me freestyle of the beat haha in true hip hop spirit. I rang in and voted Home Sweet Home as some of them Kiss lines were jokes 😆😆😅🤣🤣 "My bathtub lift up, my walls do a 360, We got the shit that the government got" Forever make.me laugh

[@mhvacr_]

Bars went over your head

[@VincentWhite-zp4xn]

That wasn't even the full bar and it was still fire. This genre isn't for you😂

[@bronzkhrome4024]

so Ras Kass is STILL pissed after this whole shit 20 years later lol....

[@christosdemitrious449]

Both songs are hot but I think the beat fits Ras Kass style more and I prefer his song if he would have had a video for that song would have blew up just like the lox version. That’s bad business to be selling beats then take it back lol common sense I’m surprised he didn’t get sued

[@tochiRTA]

1:33 it's not. hip hop journalism been in the toilet

[@onistone]

Pop quiz: you're a producer who's trying to make a name for himself, who do you want on the beat? Ras or Jada? That's a no brainer, take a hike Ras.

[@ungoyone]

Do you believe in doing dirty business?

[@onistone]

Was Al wrong for it? Yes. Did hip hop gain more by having Jada on it instead? Yes. Does Ras Kass look like a bum still talking about it? Most def.

[@ungoyone]

Why you so sour about it? Ras gets asked, Ras answers. Only one emotional about it seems to be you with your hating on every other comment on here. It's like you got something against him.

[@joegortaire695]

@@ungoyone I noticed that too, dude has 3-13 comments on this thread 🤣🤣🤣

[@ungoyone]

@@joegortaire695 You know when you can tell if a dude had been raised by emotional women? Like, got a lot to say but ain't saying nothing? You already know... Shit was like 25yrs ago and foos that had nothing to do with it STILL emotional about it.

[@Jurnecu]

#JURNEMYYRACKZ

[@deejaydosmuchoz5209]

Got Mortal Kombat up there!!❤️💪🏽

[@dunkmajor]

Al is a goofy whiteboy for that move

[@coryr94]

You still gotta keep that relationship. Especially since the price was that low. Yo what happened damn that's foul. Give me three more beats here $1500 cash.

[@desmondbrown1925]

Well, if Rass Kass bought the beat, then how did Jadakiss end up with it

[@mistaknewitall2718]

If he got paperwork,How did Jadakiss make it so far with a stolen beat?

[@BoChosen]

It was going to be on Ras Kass' Van Gogh album on Capitol, however, the album was shelved. Ras didn't want to pursue it because it would've been disastrous for Jadakiss and his career... This has been corroborated by countless people in the industry. Respect to Ras, he's a stand up cat. Real talk.

[@mistaknewitall2718]

@@BoChosen Dam He shoulda handled his bidness. Jadakiss prolly don't care and here ras kass 20yrs later..

[@ungoyone]

@@mistaknewitall2718 Why would Jada care? He had nothing to do with it. The only person who knew what was going on the whole time was Alchemist. To me, Ras is just making sure the truth is kept alive. I respect that.

[@mpick26]

shenanigans 😂 💯

[@alberts1985]

Al should’ve apologized

[@CoverBoy_Official]

Royce Da 59 sound like Ras Kass 🤔

[@pHiLKizer]

And all Alchemist had to do was make it right with Ras Kass by producing a new joint for him and that would've been it. But the nepo baby from Beverly Hills chose the sucka route. And all for what? A temporary payday?

[@tajhanwebster6866]

Ras had it first yes...its kiss record

[@TheLo31]

Bronson took an L from Ghost and now AL will eventually take one from Rass, time will tell.

[@KingHoDoKaN]

wait how did bronson take a L from ALC?

[@onistone]

Didn't the Game knock out Ras? Ras is a walking L

[@VincentWhite-zp4xn]

​@@onistoneno game and his boys jumped him. Get your story right 😂

[@VincentWhite-zp4xn]

​@@KingHoDoKaNread the comment again smfh lol

[@stevegomez4730]

I prefer the diss song anyways. Kiss U

[@HotBoxTrucking]

id rather have main stream bar-barian than skitzo ass ras kass on my iconic beat ever, too hahahahahahaha

[@gotvinn6824]

Did Al just call Ras 'Ray Ray' ?????

[@bigscorchio]

No ray ray was an A&R

[@korbinpheenix]

Im still fucked up on the 'that first line' hahahahah! Nigga wudnt NOTHIN ether in that jada 'first line' hahahah!

[@deppthemagnif9538]

We didn't wanna hear u on that beat anyway just like Diddy on 0-100..

[@terrellmajors7221]

Why is this even still a story. It’s been 20 years and didn’t make or break either one of their careers😂😂😂

[@kristinbecerra4694]

Jada killed it tho let’s be real hands down the better track 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🔥🔥🔥

[@nomibe2911]

Hate to be that guy but a lot of producers have done this at some point in their career, especially producers early in their careers.

[@killuminati3034]

Why not mash up Jada and ras

[@prodbythechosen]

This has gotta be the smallest most insignificant beef in hip hop history

[@patrickmiller1674]

Naw this shit is something serious because alchemist keep lying

[@AQUAPHREESH193]

@@patrickmiller1674 Yeah ALC is talented but why can’t bro just keep it 100?

[@ungoyone]

I think it's because Alchemist won't come out and say he double sold the beat when he thought it'd be in his better interest. I don't remember it even being a real beef, mostly a lot of LA heads kinda moved away from Alchemist cuz everyone was down with Ras.

[@kosmique]

Razzy > Jadakiss

[@acct4600]

i fw ras kass heavy, but we're all glad jadakiss got that beat. alchemist was dead wrong, but jadakiss made a better song to it.

[@pavchellacvk2142]

IF YOU TRYNA RAP BUT CANT MAKE BEATS YOU DONE BEFORE YOU STARTED🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@user-ku4io6vh5z]

Alchemist is a goofy

[@nopeaceforme837]

Don't want to leave a bad comment on Rass Kass channel but it doesn't make sense to follow anything. This world is a monstrosity of the highest order and I have lived my entire life for nothing. This world is a repugnant monstrosity. I can't even listen to rap anymore because human beings are monsters. Life is evil made flesh

[@uesikon]

home sweet home in comparison is not even close to what jada and styles p did on we gon make it. should have never been a beef. fragility is a debilitating.

[@liquidmetalslime9]

You completely missed the point....it was about the business, not the music. That's like you putting money down to close on a house but the realtor ends up selling the house to someone else because "they were a better fit for the "neighborhood " than you. You wouldn't give a damn about the BS and neither should Ras. If he paid for a beat first why he suffer because Al double sold the beat....and I'm one of the biggest alchemist fans you'll find, but business is business. If Ras is telling the truth, it was bad business by Al.

[@reggbrown5274]

Just say it was BS. You can respect all his work but this was bad business on his part. He knew he sold it to you.

[@jeliroletheearthwalker997]

What does it matter for… His version was weak

[@UwU777UwU]

Love everything Alchemist has done in Hip-Hop, but I Believe Ras Kass in this situation

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

Alchemist knew it was the only good beat he'd make so he had to try and maximize his profit 🤮

[@VincentWhite-zp4xn]

You don't even believe that lie lol

[@VincentWhite-zp4xn]

You don't even believe that lie lol

[@elceezDoscinco]

Ras just mad cause Kiss made it a hot song and went platinum! RAss neva sold 100k from his whole catalog!

[@AerialPenn]

Ehhh I don't think Ras Kass had a chance to have a career with the first two albums and then all the problems he had with the label. That song probably was never gonna drop on Van Gogh. So the beat did go to the right party cause we Gonna make it is a classic. That said lemme tell you Jadakiss is Never EVER going to make a Soul on Ice type classic album. And I love Jadakiss. Ras Kass has a right to be salty about the beat if it got sold twice. But Van Gogh album was never gonna really drop. I honestly thought Alchemist took the beat back because of the drama Rad Kass was having with the label not wanting to put out his albums.

[@elceezDoscinco]

@@AerialPenn priority was a good label they had many successful rap artist! Ras is just an underground rapper he needed to be on a independent label or maybe a Rawkus! You can’t blame everything on the label Ice Cube was successful!

[@eddienash2095]

He's mad because he purchased a good and it was then sold to another person...

[@AerialPenn]

@@elceezDoscinco Thats nonsense. He did an album, got guest appearances from Dr. Dre and the label fucked it up. Dr Dre said he didn't want the song he was on to be a lead single, Ras Kass echo'd these words to the label and they still went against it. He made two albums Van Gogh and Goldyn Child and they refused to release either one! This is a situation where you can blame the label. They were stalling Ras Kass. Jay Z was on Priority and Rocafella ditched them. He even made reference to it on Rap Game Crack Game "Priority's work wasn't right so I switched Factories" Whether they were a good label or not they shelved two albums he created. The song Van Gogh got played on the Sopranos, despite being unreleased. Priority just didn't get or understand the kind of artist they had.

[@elceezDoscinco]

@@AerialPenn you can blame the label for not dropping his 2 albums but that Dre song was weak! A lot of top producers fucked with Ras he could have literally been Kendrick Lamar before Kendrick! He doesn’t know how to make songs!

[@onistone]

Yawwwwwn. Ras Kas actin like this song would have made him famous still. One song 20 years ago and this is how you gonna stay relevant? Mean while Alchemist done dropped hit after hit while this fool still has Alchemist name in his mouth. Jada did the beat right. We ain't never known what you been doing cause you always make yourself look like a fool. Choosing the wrong battles.