First Time Hearing KISS 'Music From The Elder'

[@MrClamato39]

I really love this album. Under the Rose is one of my favorite Kiss song.

[@MENFUSSMIKE]

No KISS album has grown on me more over the years than The Elder. It features some of their heaviest and lightest moments in their catalog. And to think this concept was to be a trilogy with part 2 tentatively titled War of the Gods.

[@stefanjohnsson5661]

This album has a few not so good tracks, but a few are great. It’s very underrated.

[@bassvibasics479]

This is unironically my favourite KISS album. I love it. did you miss "Under The Rose" on purpose, as for me that's the best song on the album.

[@themadmattster9647]

It’s aged like fine wine

[@5150-for-music]

You hit the nail on the head! Your review is spot on!!

[@RobertFithen]

Thanks!!

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

lol

[@PrinceofPain-wv1lo]

​@RobertFithen ..Thank you for your honesty..I agree..It's not good

[@tokyorecordstyle]

Dropping by to say hello and that I keep watching and enjoying your videos :-) keep at it!

[@RobertFithen]

Thank you!

[@NothingLikeVinyl]

I discovered Kiss in late 1979 with "Dynasty", and that was the beginning of a huge obsession that only started to wane with "Animalize". To make things "worse", not long before "The Elder" I heard "Alive!" for the first time and, as I've said countless times, words aren't enough to describe what I felt the first time I heard that album. It cemented the obsession. And it's still one of my top 3 live rock albums after more than four decades. So, because of all of the above, I didn't notice the universal panning this album was getting. It was KISS, and that was the only thing that mattered to me at that point. The only different thing I noticed was that Peter Criss was gone. But I spent a lot of time playing air guitar to "Mr. Blackwell" and air drums to "I" and "Dark Light" the same way I did with "Detroit Rock City" and many others. And because of all of the above, I can't hate this album. Far from being top-tier Kiss for sure, but the lots of fond memories it brings to me (as well as all Kiss albums up to "Lick It Up") make it very special after all these years. As of today, the only song I really don't like is "Odyssey" (and yes, the demon crying was simply stupid and absurd).

[@RobertFithen]

I started right before Dynasty with Double Platinum

[@tcthepackrat]

I always loved the album it was the first kiss record that came out after I got into them. I had to wait 2 years, I still like most of it today. Paul & gene’s voices are great

[@juanmeowmix1530]

Totally fair review of the album. I think what I like about the album was that it was so different than the rest.

[@SportsGuru17]

I remember watching Kiss on Solid Gold and they sang the song “I”. I loved it as a kid.

[@markalexander7397]

I remember when that album came out. (I am 55). I did not believe that it was a Kiss album. It didn't have any pictures of them on the cover. My friends bought it, and we were all like "what the hell is this??" We actually thought it was the soundtrack to a movie or something. I feel very bad for Eric Carr..it was his first album with them..

[@Dr.Robert20]

Another great video.

[@lukepepper3949]

Great points Robert. The orchestration is all over the place. One part sounds like Elizabethan England, then it's like part of the Star Wars film soundtrack, then hard rock, then Phantom of the Opera. It's a shame because there's some great melodies in part but not cohesive. The dialogue is cringe-worthy. The times had moved on as new wave (Police/Blondie/Human League etc) were storming Europe and beyond and as you say, some great solid rock albums were released including Rush Moving Pictures, Motorhead No Sleep Till Hammersmith, Sabbath's Mob Rules and probably Blue Oyster Cult's most cohesive album, Fire of Unknown Origin. Kiss were probably starting to work on this in 1980, which saw Sabbath's Heaven & Hell, one of the greatest rock albums and AC/DC Back In Black. Ace (and yourself) were right - get back to basics.

[@chrisoakley5830]

I like the Elder, it was a bad idea at the worst time for Kiss. The songs are good, but it's just not a typical Kiss record.

[@brucegrossman3531]

I had a pal in college where we would play this as a goof. To clear people out of our dorm room. Cause we would act like it's all brilliant. That was the original. Late 80's early 90's. We "smoked" a lot.

[@aminahmed2220]

Awesome video have a great day Robert ❤😊

[@nocturnal-io9vq]

Love the review and comments - I don't know what happened to this band around this time period, they just lost their way. I still don't understand "Unmasked," I have tried to listen to it and like it over the years, and it's just... terrible. Your point about the other hit rock albums of 1981 is an excellent example of what could have been if Kiss had just stuck to it and not lost their marbles. (I would also add "Fair Warning" by Van Halen as an example of a killer, hard rock LP of '81 that did it right.)

[@ChromeDestiny]

I read Ace's autobiography and he basically agreed with you on this one. At one point they were going to do a more typical Kiss Rock album and had a great track in the works you can hear on bootlegs, Heaven that later became part of the Frehley's Comet song Breakout and the bonus track Carr Jam from Revenge, if they'd combined that with the then new hard rock tracks they put on 1981 Killers comp and then boiled down the best Elder stuff to one side or half a side of an album they would have had something much better.

[@RobertFithen]

I agree

[@newavatar2947]

I Love Unmasked. I wouldn't mind owning the Elder if I can find it under 5 dollars. I know Gene wanted to redo the whole record back in 2011 with an accompanying movie but the other band members thought it was a terrible idea and wouldnt sign away the rights

[@raleighbronkowski4224]

Long comment, but here it is - I have a High School memory of this from 1981 - an acquaintance who played Guitar was actually into this album for a brief while and "I" actually caught my ears then although Ace's "Dark Light" now saves the experience any time I put my Thrift Store-bought CD into the player. The complete album sounds like a soundtrack to one of those flop animated films that wound up in matinees at the AMC or Saturday Afternoon TV on an end-of-the-dial UHF station more than an actual Kiss album (welcome to the showing my age department!). I'd still rather hear Alice Cooper's DADA - although the Bob-Ezrin-Produced concept album did not really work as one, it really was a postcard from the abyss that had some good stuff on it and a sense of humor. (Thankfully, Cooper returned after some time way from the business...I'm sure some were worried after experiencing that album).

[@GordonPyzik]

The Oath is very good

[@musictalkwithjohn]

I know how to £u€k now! 😂😂👏👏

[@Skellington78]

I personally like this album but I definitely see why many don’t, it was definitely a step in the wrong direction for them at the time and I think Eric Carr’s debut full LP with KISS could’ve been better, considering his excellent drumming on Creatures of the Night. I agree with many things that you pointed out, like how Ace’s guitar work sounded like he was bored, I mean he doesn’t even like this record all that much and he wanted out of the band by that point. I also agree that there were a lot of great records that came out at the time that KISS could’ve followed in the footsteps of. When they recorded this record in mid 1981, Van Halen came out with Fair Warning, and the year before, Ozzy came out with Blizzard of Ozz, so they had a lot of good material to get an idea of where they should be heading. Funny enough, on the same day that The Elder was released, Mötley Crüe’s original Leathür Records mix of Too Fast for Love was released and that started the hair metal craze that KISS eventually took part of, kinda interesting don’t you think

[@tomcimino221]

Eric did not play all the drums on the album. Bryan Adam's and Lou Reed Co wrote some of the songs. Ace wrote songs that were not used and he was unable to join the band fully I. The studio he was on his way out. And in the end Bob Ezrin the band allowed the album to be guided sonically.

[@7BobbyGaylor7]

Hey Robert. Another great video. You hit it right on the head! 😎Cheers

[@RobertFithen]

Thanks!!

[@techdad5606]

What is your opinion of Creatures Of The Night?

[@RobertFithen]

Unlike the 70's albums, I've only heard it a few times and haven't nostalgia for it. It's better than The Elder, though

[@techdad5606]

@@RobertFithen Like you, I was a young kid during the makeup era. And then they got heavier (creatures) and then took off the makeup, I lost interest. Now I regard Creatures as one of their best albums.

[@arzabael]

Who can disagree with this take?

[@RobertFithen]

Several people already have.

[@dougmarlow4626]

By 1980 KISS could kiss our ass. So Jr high. But I acquired this album from a collection I got from a friend. Now I have to give it a listen.

[@themadmattster9647]

Speaking of reissues, I hope one day they rerelease the album with all the Ace solos they removed they supposedly have in the vault

[@pyrielrising4338]

At least you found the reason Gene was crying...."Whoa Oh....money's on Fire!" 😅

[@dimebagdave77]

Awesome man, thanks! Happy Halloween!!💀👻👽

[@RobertFithen]

Thanks!!

[@JWD1992]

I love "I" because it has that glam camp, but you are spot-on about the corny-ass inspirational lyrics. I cracked up when you compared it to Hulk Hogan and Mr T, as I could absolutely see it. I think they got Gene's tear in the music video by telling him how poorly the album was selling. From what I understand, Ezrin was really coked up at this time. Thus, no Destroyer II. Instead, The Elder ended up what Gene called something like "a bad Genesis album."

[@ErnestIII83]

Posted on the 50th anniversary of the release of Hotter Than Hell. Pretty good. ;)

[@jackroberts9401]

I was a first day buyer of The Elder and was so disgusted that I wiped them until Revenge. I had been mental about them since I got KISS ALIVE in 1975 as a 12yo. This was an immediate jump off point.

[@daviddanglis7135]

We had a Hulkamaniacs album in the house. It was weird and wonderful, with something for the whole family -- helpful and wholesome tips for the kids, leering at bikini''d babes for dad. Almost like a Sparks album.

[@mausperson5854]

At nine, when it came out, i got it on cassette. I didn't like it. Didn't get it. Didn't stop me getting into KISS but that tape was played twice and i didnt hear it again until after the make up came off snd i was playing in my fist band. I grew to love it and rank it in my top five for sure. It's got some great tunes on it Mr.Blackwell is down and dirty, sparse Gene at his best... You want the Melvins, you got the Melvins! There's a cranked up level of musicianship and songcraft, almost prog in parts but it's got those huge riffs amongst the bombast of stuff like Under The Rose. Some of Ace's best soloing (just as Vinnine Vincent is replacing him for the tour). It's got a special place for me in that it was almost like an occult artefact I'd not considered tge worth of as a child. So the story was there for me, coming of age, discovery, tge hero's joirney type of deal and i tied it all in with the Rosicrucian thing as i was reading all sorts of texts from various Mystery schools of thought and Fraternal 'secret' society type jazz. I totally get why it's not well recieved but ie say its worth persisting with. I've played it fo people who hate KISS and they dig it... I never tell them who it is beforehand. I'd compare it to Love it to Death in Alice's catalog. People often have to grow into it or develop a taste for it on its own terms.

[@ErnestIII83]

Ozzy Osbourne released her first two "solo" albums during that 1980-1982 period as well.

[@stevekosak8624]

Great video! I dont hate The Elder, but I sure don't love it. It's got nostalgia to me. My mom bought it for me at Sears in the cut out bin for like 2.99 but yeah, i really like Dark light; Mr. blackwell and the Oath is cool

[@OperationPhantom]

Thanks for vividly describing an album I (also) never heard Robert. Sounds like Kiss f*@$ed up somewhat! Since my age is already in double digits phase, I think I'm too old for this. Probably it saved somebody's life by inspiring them to feel wholesome, wizardly and worthy. Little bit shocked Lou Reed was involved.

[@jeffreysturges8641]

Can you make that Ace Frehley guitar sound again??

[@donjoefonzarelli9785]

I was going to get this to fill out my make-up era LP collection. This reminder gives me second thoughts

[@RobertFithen]

That's why I got it.

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

seen many reviews of this album, this one, sits top.

[@RobertFithen]

Thanks!!

[@Dagger-Deep]

Kiss really is music for children.

[@RobertFithen]

I don't think I would like this even as a child.

[@TheChadTI]

NY radio Legend Ron Bennington used to call them the Bananna Splits 😅

[@MENFUSSMIKE]

I'm still listening at 54

[@rs500gsoat]

Personal bias, but “Hard Promises” by Tom Petty also came out 1981 (my favourite Petty album). Kiss basically jumped the shark for most of us then teenagers by 1980. The stupid phantom in the park movie was a KISS of death.

[@KeithSearock]

Today, this one tends to make a lot "favorites" lists of the hardcore fans. You nailed it on the head though - REVISIONIST HISTORY is out of control! We were fed three great big 💩💩💩 all in a row. You better take cover, Robert! When the KISS ARMY soldiers see this, they're coming for you!

[@RobertFithen]

I'm already seeing it. "My favorite Kiss album." I mean, come on.

[@djcrystalclear8169]

BOOM!

[@farrellmcnulty909]

That's a BOMB going off, yes?

[@RobertFithen]

That's high praise!

[@farrellmcnulty909]

I agree with you, Bobby, if not for the candy-ass lyrics, a lot of these songs could be taken seriously, like Mr Blackwell - it's got a great bass and rhythm guitar riff, a World Without Heroes with the original lyrics and title "Every Little Bit of Your Heart", would have been the soft-rock ballad B-side or single (those were still put out in 1981, you know, the little black discs with the artwork in the middle?

[@bugsyslugg]

The Elder Album is responsible for Creatures of the Night tanking in 1982.

[@timbates6309]

I hadn't bought a Kiss album since Rock And Roll Over, when one night I saw them on the sketch comedy show Fridays performing a couple songs from The Elder. I ended up buying the album. Pretty much a waste of money however, I do quite like "Under The Rose".

[@roberterwine7650]

all I knew about this album is 'a world without heroes ' from Gene on TV but didn't hear the full album until the mid-80s . I really liked it and thought it was different. maybe too much dungeon and dragons for some

[@705johnnyboy]

ive only just got it a couple of months ago ,an original i thought i t was ok ...some rockin riffs in some parts.

[@robgray4188]

what a letdown that album was at the time, i was a fan from day one but unmasked was the beginning of the end and the elder was terrible. I remember the commercial for the album was a world without heros which i liked but it was weird seeing gene cry, and the song I i liked and thats it.

[@CBCDs]

I didn’t know anybody who liked KISS when I was a kid. I never heard any of their songs until the 90s. They were like a scary/satan band when I was a kid

[@CBCDs]

Was this a Mormon themed album?? The “elder” with a picture of some white guy knocking on your door…

[@RobertFithen]

No, they were elders that the boy had to prove himself to so that he could grow to fight evil.

[@tomflorio3639]

I feel the same way about this album. I know many KISS diehards claim to love it, but I just can't get into it. Some rave about "Dark Light" . . . I think it's kinda boring. Ah well, different strokes, as Sly said. When you were listing what was big in '81: you can't bring up REO's "Hi Infidelity" and not bring up Styx's "Paradise Theater". I remember it felt like there was a solid 3 or 4 months where those two albums battled between being the #1 and #2 album in the country (with REO taking the #1 spot most times). The less-aggressive AOR rock of REO, Styx, Journey, and Foreigner were all huge that year. I enjoyed them all, along with the AC/DC, Stones, and Billy Squier albums you mentioned, and Rush's "Moving Pictures", Police's "Ghost In The Machine", Bob Seger's "Nine Tonight" and Black Sabbath's "Mob Rules". They were the soundtrack to the 8th-to-9th grade time of my life!" Great vid!

[@RobertFithen]

Thanks!! So much radio friendly rock albums in 1981.

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

Maybe the best and most important year in popular music overall, many would say 1984 though.

[@gtaylor1812]

The fact is by this point Kiss hadnt done anything worth a squat since Love Gun. I started my senior year in high school in the fall of 81, and remember the horror of this turd when it first came out. And to add to the embarrassment of seeing I performed on solid gold in all its flamer glory was beyond too much. they tried to atone with an LP titled Kiss Killers ( Import release only ) with some new songs combined with older hits but the wheels were off.

[@millopguy]

Agree with your take. The album sucks compared to the competition of '81. They screwed themselves bigtime.

[@Vince_Tasciotti]

Kiss survived two back to back flop albums Unmasked and Music From The Elder. At least Creatures of The Night was a step in the right direction. I think they lost their direction with the solo albums and their reunited effort Dynasty. The for individual members were now bigger than the group. Plus, money and ego had set in. Also Peter had outgrown his roll in the band by this time too, he was also addicted to too many drugs and was eventually replaced by Eric Carr.

[@seancurran3603]

I'm fifty seven years old and even though I worked hard at it for several years, I don't believe that I've ever come close to being really good at fuckin'. What band or album would you recommend for me?

[@RobertFithen]

Any of the 1981 albums I showed. With the possible exception of the Journey one

[@michaelivan9066]

A couple songs are ok but it is not a must have. I bought it used on cd and listened to it once.

[@fendergibs9098]

I lost touch with kiss when dynasty was released. I don't think I even knew unmasked came out. Aces album solo was the last kiss record. I got until creatures of the night and that's the last kiss album I ever bought. When creatures came out in 82 Kiss were totally out of favor. The fanbase was gone. I couldn't believe how good the record was however, and I question myself because nobody was buying Until decades later

[@RobertFithen]

I think "The Elder" had a lot to do with the failure of "Creatures of the Night".

[@CDRabbitHole]

I couldn't click on this video fast enough. I don't know what your reaction is going to be but my body is ready. FWIW - I really love the album. 😬

[@malcolmsmith5271]

That makes two of us! I really enjoy this album, regardless what Paul and Gene have to say about it. There’s a hefty book called ‘Odyssey’ all about the making of and reaction to The Elder that’s worth reading too.

[@CDRabbitHole]

@@malcolmsmith5271 thanks for the heads-up. I will for sure check that out!

[@jeffreycox6647]

To be fair, Ace lobbied for a straight rock album, but was overruled. Maybe he would have stayed longer had they listened.

[@nelsonmaud1]

I think this would of been great during the prog rock era 70 to 74 was very boring concept albums out during that time 10 years to late to the party agree on having head bangers def leppard riot n all were starting out too

[@TheChadTI]

15:15 😅😅😅😅😅 Hilarious 🤙

[@davidspinney2023]

I think what happens is bands that made great albums start running out of great ideas but they are still expected to put out albums so they get together and put their ideas together and good or bad they make an album.

[@RobertFithen]

and cocaine reportedly.

[@davidspinney2023]

@@RobertFithen they probably used that making the good ones as well

[@markwajdeman7118]

More Info On MFTE... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_from_%22The_Elder%22

[@glaciallymusical355]

I line this record. But I like stupid concept albums about silly things.

[@BKCook-ye2np]

I had the same outfit. I can't fit into a Kiss condom yet.

[@RobertFithen]

Maybe someday.

[@danmoss2080]

Interesting. I quite like Just A Boy and Under The Rose. Few other tracks are ok. But Odyssey is horrific! They were trying to copy Pink Floyd, a crazy idea for KISS.

[@danl6213]

I have it on CD, i use it as a coaster for drinks........and it's not even adequate for that purpose.

[@jefferysteen1041]

Could have been great but they dropped the ball with this.I saw them on a show called Friday's and they played the best 3 songs off the Elder and they were great..however as a whole it sucks.

[@JJ-qs9hu]

I had this album about 12 years ago. Never owned it before that. Destroyer was my first album ever at age 5. Have many other kiss albums so I bought this for like $5.99 ....I had it for a week. Got rid of it quickly. Terrible .

[@brandonio_granger]

I absolutely disagree with your assessment of the album. I don't see it as much of a departure from their previous albums musically.

[@MENFUSSMIKE]

😅😅😅 you need to get your ears checked

[@brandonio_granger]

@@MENFUSSMIKE You might want to aquire some taste in music.

[@danny1959]

Lou Reed must have been desperate for money at that time, since he cowrote songs with other artists as well.

[@donaldkline8162]

Ace gave a no vote to this album. They should have listened!

[@AsItShouldBePodcast]

Bought The Elder when it came out and just scratched my head; there was nothing whatsoever to sink my teeth into. Filed it away and basically forgot about it. Sometime in the '90s I decided to give it another go and actually ended up liking it! Yeah, it is most definitely ridiculous, ham-fisted, ill-conceived, nonsensical and just downright laughable...but somehow I like it.

[@RobertFithen]

Maybe I'll check it out again in 15 years. lol

[@TheChadTI]

13:42 Also, they took the makeup off right at the mainstreaming of MTV, a completely visual concern. Bad timing

[@RobertFithen]

I mention that laster in the video. Just a series of bad decisions at that point in their career.

[@techdad5606]

Any interview they do or any bit in their individual books say they really lost the plot and lost the essence of the band.

[@TheChadTI]

@techdad5606 Yeah, it had to be confusing being at the top and zooming to the bottom, must be a mind F.

[@TheChadTI]

@RobertFithen Yeah, I wrote this comment in the first half. Thought about deleting later but I felt cute. Love your videos, man. God bless 🙏

[@farrellmcnulty909]

If there's one song in all holy and unholy creation that I cannot stand, it's "I", especially that bad West Side Story-inspired drum thing in the middle. it sounds like the soundtrack to a bad gay dance number. You're gonna lose your mind in Elder Cringe City.

[@PrinceofPain-wv1lo]

Music from the elder is , music for beta's

[@MickSupper]

That Kiss suit doesn't fit you anymore? Amazing. "Kilroy was here" was HUGE. Was written on every textbook cover and bathroom wall. Talking about Lou Reed's contribution, I just learned that Do The Bartman was written by Michael Jackson.

[@jobeonetwothree2126]

Gene talking to Lou "Hey Lou, you created one of the worst records ever with Metal Machine Music." Lou: "Yeah, so?" Gene: "Wanna be on another?" Lou: "Is there gonna be a big merchandise push behind it?" Gene: "Of Course." Lou: "Okay then." Gene: "Oh yeah Lou, I got this friend by the name of James and he's got an album he's working on, he's gonna call it Lulu, wanna be on that one too?"

[@RobertFithen]

I actually think Lulu is better. Not by much though

[@MrJermyWurmy]

The other day a co-worker streamed this album, not sure why anyone would go out of their way for that. Hey, Kiss were on Solid Gold to promote this rubbish, it didn't help.

[@journeyintothebible]

Maybe it needs a remix? jk LOL! Not a big Kiss fan. Love a lot of their 70's stuff and heard a few songs beyond that I really liked. But I think this is one of the worst things I ever wasted my time on. Ezrin shouldn't be proud. The early 80's was the time of Metal! Kiss blew it with stupid crap like this.

[@dougmarlow4626]

Ok so I just finished listening to side one. My first takeaway was how would anyone even know this is KISS, it sounds nothing like them. Not so good. Oh well without you I would have probably gone the rest of my life without giving this album a listen and would have been better off for it. Call me a masochist but I will endure the pain of listening to side B at a later date. Oh the humanity.

[@RobertFithen]

So you have me to thank. Lol

[@victorbloom8286]

There best Kiss Album.

[@scottrap]

They played “I” on the TV show Fridays in 1980. What a dreadful song!

[@PrankZabba]

I love saying this is their best album. Just to annoy people. But this is pretty much why they went downhill. They should've just skipped this album and went straight into Creatures.

[@baileydute1]

I never liked the Elder either. I don't do drugs much so that is probably why.

[@stevonyl]

Hated it back in 1981 and still hate it today. The production of the album is what really turned me off as it sounded as if you were listening to it through a low end record player. I doubt that it would have made a difference as this "album'" misses on SO many levels

[@SuperChickenSauce]

Trying to be Dio and Styx didn't work.

[@clintonlujan1452]

KISS Music from the Elder is a concept album that wasn't that good

[@ronbaker8383]

I had the kiss lunch box Kiss radio Peter criss doll. But that was when I was a real young. I discovered Nazareth in 74 still a huge fan of Nazareth featuring the king of rock Dan McCafferty

[@RobertFithen]

Nazareth "Hair of the Dog" was the first hard rock album I ever heard, because of my brother.

[@victorbloom8286]

Were they Fighting with each other at the Time ?

[@farrellmcnulty909]

I wouldn't doubt. They'd just given Peter Criss the boot, Ace was clearly on the way out. Unmasked had sold so poorly here they didn't even bother touring, then they decided to....re-invent themselves. I highly doubt this was their decision, I think they were prodded along, but since none of us were there to hear the true conversations, they made up bullshit about "wanting to do something different". So your question was very dead-on.

[@RobertFithen]

They were always fighting with each other.

[@victorbloom8286]

@RobertFithen Yes but did they not do this Album when is was at a Boiling Point . And Each did their Own thing .

[@victorbloom8286]

@farrellmcnulty909 Yes. . I was in Germany on the Border near Berlin when I bought the Album . I love It . ESPECIALLY MR. BLACKWELL

[@victorbloom8286]

Had a Cassette Player jury Rigged I. My Tank in the Army .

[@klipkultur3680]

C'mon! This is a truly good album...

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

I agree, not their best obviously but I liked it even back then as a big Kiss nut.

[@davidellis5141]

The Elder is considered the Kiss version of Cut The Crap by The Clash. A very mediocre subpar affair. A .. crap album.

[@Dagger-Deep]

The difference is the clash had one bad album, while kiss had multiple.

[@davidellis5141]

@@Dagger-Deep True 👍 😆 🤣

[@williamcalvert4106]

Yeah, I moved on from Kiss after Destroyer. I've never really looked back. They were a phase with me and Gene Simmons is obnoxious.