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@readhistory202311 ай бұрын
The reason Scotty and the rest of the bridge crew felt the impact of the cadet's death so much was that the cadet was Scotty's nephew. The scene that explaied their relationship was cut from the final edit
@burni8211 ай бұрын
There's a reason you did not see Bones cry at Spock's funeral.
@RLucas300011 ай бұрын
I like 4 better than 2
@retromillenium11 ай бұрын
Even though Chekov wasn't in the first season, his character was still a crew member on the Enterprise during that time.
@RandomNPC00111 ай бұрын
you guys will take years to finish Star Trek, nearly 700 hours!! 🤓
@thelionsshare666811 ай бұрын
Let's be honest about this... this is the reaction everyone in the Target Audience audience has been waiting for.
@houseofsledge689111 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this and for some key Next Gen episodes. Absolutely!
@SchlockstarJoe11 ай бұрын
100%.
@LynneMeyer11 ай бұрын
Yes!!!
@huskerchuck921211 ай бұрын
@@houseofsledge6891 I'm anxious for "The Inner Light" reaction.
@NePe-tu5jc11 ай бұрын
I was certainly waiting for it. Feeling underwhelmed now but I suppose that's normal.
@leovalverde150811 ай бұрын
Spock fixing his uniform just before talking with Kirk at the end gets me every time. This final moment of dignity before saying goodbye to his friend. "I have been, and always shall be, your friend."
@germanshepherdguy11 ай бұрын
Spock fixing his uniform wasn't in the script, Leonard Nimoy came up with that on the spot.
@markallen298411 ай бұрын
Some people in the theater (when I saw it first-run) actually laughed at that moment....this was at The Chinese Theater in Hollywood (!)
@HermanVonPetri11 ай бұрын
It's a subtle moment, but one that lives in my memory as well. Leonard Nimoy was always intensely protective of the character of Spock. His mastery of personal moments like that speaks to the great deal of thought that Nimoy has always put into realizing that person on screen. Not only must Spock be in intense pain, blind, and dying - but he's _still_ using immense effort to suppress his emotions and present a dignified, controlled appearance in front of his crew, his commander, and his friends.
@maxshenkwrites11 ай бұрын
Doing an early version of The Picard Maneuver... yes. That always gets me; just a lovely touch and slightly funny even as it's poignant and sad.
@SchlockstarJoe11 ай бұрын
Fixing his uniform, attempting to end his life with the dignity befitting a Star Fleet legend and hitting his face on the glass…………..that gets me every time. And of course Shatner; “His was the m’ost………..human” I’d like to thank the academy.
@racookster11 ай бұрын
As a Scotsman, I had the opposite reaction to Scotty's bagpipes than these guys did. They broke me. They totally broke me.
@seanmcwatt981811 ай бұрын
Totally agree.
@allthingsnerd.448411 ай бұрын
I’m from Atlanta GA and they broke me too. Amazing Grace on bagpipes is always heart wrenching.
@aircap11 ай бұрын
For real the bagpipes break my heart here
@unimpartialobserver11 ай бұрын
As an American, I don't understand why people think bagpipes are annoying or silly. In fact, they're a downright feat of musical engineering.
@valkrist288911 ай бұрын
Fully agreed. For anyone that doubts the full impact of this instrument, just listen to the soundtrack during the final charge of Gurney and the Atreides soldiers during the sneak attack in the new Dune movie... simply stunning.
@stuffyouotterlistento146111 ай бұрын
I like the fact that Khan and Kirk never met face to face, rather than forcing a scene. It felt... authentic.
@chrisargentine436611 ай бұрын
Khan did nothing but lift weights and read revenge novels those years. Kirk drank Romulan ale and got a pair of bifocals. How you gonna write a compelling fight around that?
@chrisargentine436611 ай бұрын
And as far as character study, Khan has enough going on with intellect vs revenge. No need to throw 'I will out testosteronize you with my muskles' into that.
@bucky586910 ай бұрын
I find it more compelling as a captain vs captain in a space naval battle rather than a one on one duel/brawl. It is a very effective and clever decision. Kirk couldn't hope to match Kahn in one on one combat, and Khan's hubris brings him to believe he is a better ship commander despite it being Kirk's advantage. So many correct decisions were made with this film all the way around. One of the plus sides of having to overcome a restricted budget.
@DS94everXev10 ай бұрын
@@bucky5869Yes. This is how it would ACTUALLY go in life. Navy captains don't leave their warships to meet 1 v 1 to do a fist fight to determine the outcome! WTF have the warship at all then? Every film that does that is just stupi*. Its sad they really don't get Star Trek at all. If they did they'd revel in glory with this decision. Not throw a fit about it.
@markruddle51368 ай бұрын
They really didn't meet. Their scenes dialogue were done with other actors.
@pacio4911 ай бұрын
Spock's death killed everyone in the theater. The whole packed house left the movie house -- sobbing --. Nimoy was very clear that he never wanted to play Spock again. It was the time in his life when he wrote his first autobiography entitled "I AM NOT SPOCK". It was only once he saw just how absolutely devastated the cinematic death of his character had left even casual fans that Nimoy re-evaluated his relationship to the role and the fandom, and then issued a follow-up autobiography titled "I AM SPOCK".
@ursus329511 ай бұрын
He later said that he was completely misunderstood about the name of his biography. He didn't hate Spock, he loved that part of himself and was very grateful for it. He wanted to say that he wasn't just Spock, but also a human actor named L. Nimoy. For actors who love their job precisely because of the opportunity to slip into other roles, it is often very difficult to limit yourself to just one role and become famous. Of course it's a financial blessing, but artistically it's a curse.
@jcortese330011 ай бұрын
I vaguely remember the Trek novelist Peter David (maybe) saying at the time that Nimoy should have written a third memoir called "Oh hell I admit it, I'm Spock, for four and a half million dollars, I'll be Carmen Miranda." 🤣
@tommargarites281111 ай бұрын
I've seen this movie dozens of times, and since the first time I saw this I was in tears, still do everytime this scene comes up, even after all the times I watched it.
@robphillips179711 ай бұрын
@ursus3295 Thank you for pointing that out! You are right. I read I Am Not Spock the year it came out, and it's exactly what you described!
@w9gb11 ай бұрын
Nimoy had no idea … the reactions from audience and long-time fans (depression).
@joshuahartman313211 ай бұрын
Not sure which cut you're watching, but there's a cut that reveals early on why Scotty was so emotional at that trainee's death- it was his own nephew. The novelization takes it a step further and says Scotty was harder on him than all the other cadets BECAUSE it was his nephew, and that's why the kid stayed at his post.
@targetaudience11 ай бұрын
We watched the theatrical version as decided by our Patrons
@LaBlueStateGirl11 ай бұрын
The trainee was also played by Ike Eisenmann who happen to play Tony in Escape From Which Mountain. I remembered him from that because when I first watched Khan in theaters, I remembered my age appropriate movie crush from back in the day and it broke my childhood, now adult, heart a little bit.
@RLucas300011 ай бұрын
@@targetaudience the young man on Khan’s bridge who told him to just leave with Genesis was Khan’s son with MacGuyver. When he died, Khan just gave up and concocted his suicide plan as long as it would also kill Kirk, as Khan had lost everything at that point.
@brettharris769611 ай бұрын
Ugh, they steered you wrong. Directors Cut is better.
@JamesA110211 ай бұрын
@@brettharris7696No way. It’s not even really a director’s cut. It’s the ABC TV version from the 80s that shoved in a bunch of useless scenes that slow the pace of the film.
@houseofsledge689111 ай бұрын
Ricardo Montalban gives the most epic, legendary performance as Khan here. I love this film for so many reasons, but every time I marvel at how much he just elevates the role to one of the best movie antagonists of all time.
@THICKETDWELLERR11 ай бұрын
0:01
@jollyjohnthepirate316811 ай бұрын
The reason Montalban was so ripped was his back injury. He suffered a back injury years before on a film set. He kept in such great shape to compensate for his weak back. Ultimately he wound up in a wheelchair for the last part of his life.
@zybch11 ай бұрын
Whats more amazing is that he and Shatner's Kirk never meet face to face. I'm having a hard time recalling any other movie where the protagonist and antagonist never share the same space but you'd swear they had been later.
@jakethet320611 ай бұрын
I felt like basically everybody gave an epic performance, the most especially Ricardo, of course.
@jonathandonley329911 ай бұрын
Ricardo Montalban was a great actor in every performance he gave his entire life. But Star Trek II propelled him into immortality. Just the best performance of his life and taking into account he wasn't even on the same set and same scene as Shatner the entire movie is nothing short of astounding.
@darthroden11 ай бұрын
Fun fact: When Kirk's voice cracks at Spock's funeral, that wasn't just acting. Shatner really was moved by the scene and his voice caught there. They left it in. It was the perfect touch.
@talynstarburst2l2l2l11 ай бұрын
I had wondered about that! It sounded so authentic..
@jakerazmataz85211 ай бұрын
Regardless of what they say. I don't think there was animosity between them.
@darthroden11 ай бұрын
@@jakerazmataz852 I don't believe it was so much animosity as it was professional rivalry as actors. Even so, they were close till the end of Nimoy's life, but that was more-or-less two friends losing contact, which happens.
@jakerazmataz85211 ай бұрын
@@darthroden Yup, I remember people making a stink about Shatner not going to his funeral or something. He had prior engagements I believe.
@user-ps8kp1eo9k4 ай бұрын
Fascinating!
@joshuahartman313211 ай бұрын
There's a joke, I think made by Walter Koenig, that the reason Khan remembers him despite us never seeing him in the episode, is that Khan needed to use the restroom at some point before leaving the ship but Checkov on the lower decks was using it so Khan swore vengeance!
@s.henrlllpoklookout506911 ай бұрын
Not only that, but Chekov had used all the toilet paper too
@stvdagger807411 ай бұрын
@@s.henrlllpoklookout5069 Of course Khan was wrong to blame Chekov, there was no toilet paper, he just needed to use the 3 sea shells.
@philfitnesspt613911 ай бұрын
In the novel chekov states he was on the night shift in space seed and he's one of the group that takes khan to the planet.
@civwar05411 ай бұрын
There ya go!👌
@zoppie11 ай бұрын
Koenig did admit, years after the fact, that he knew damn well Chekov never met Khan. But he kept his mouth shut about it lest the juicy part he played in it would go over to Sulu.
@martinbraun121111 ай бұрын
The "Genesis Device" video is the first FULLY CGI Rendered sequence in movie history!
@Blazingstoke11 ай бұрын
Made by Pixar, no less, IIRC
@w9gb11 ай бұрын
Yes. STAR WARS (1977) Death Star (vector graphics) was created by University of Illinois - Chicago , which was a First for film usage. Funny, when you consider for 2001 film (1968) Univ. of Illinois Champaign-Urbana created HAL 9000.
@MJE-riffs11 ай бұрын
Nimoy appeared on a British chat show prior to the release of Search for Spock and was asked if he appeared in the movie. He replied, it'd be a huge let-down if, at the end of the movie, Kirk just turned to camera and said "Well, we didn't find him."
@kirishima63811 ай бұрын
Lol!
@Jessica_Roth11 ай бұрын
Nah, that could set up "Star Trek IV: Another Search for Spock" And "Star Trek V: The Continuing Search for Spock" "Star Trek VI: I'm Starting to Wonder if Spock is Even Out Here, Honestly" Not to mention "Star Trek VII: Perhaps Spock Just Doesn't Want to Be Found?" And on we go…
@ArtamStudio11 ай бұрын
@@Jessica_Roth that is the best stuff I've read in YT comments in months! 🤣
@malcolmrowe900311 ай бұрын
@@Jessica_Roth Star Trek VIII: He's behind you! Star Trek IX: Oh no he's not! Star Trek X: Oh yes he is!
@teedup899511 ай бұрын
@@malcolmrowe9003Lol!
@captmurdock11 ай бұрын
When Harve Bennett was interviewed for the job of producer, he was asked "Can you make a movie for less than $44 million?" He replied "I can make FIVE movies for that ". Some of the sets are reworked from TMP, but every penny of that budget is up on the screen. The training sequence was made to offset the spoiler of Spock's death that has been leaked months before. This movie, more than TMP IMHO, ushered in the next chapter of Star Trek.
@DeltaAssaultGaming11 ай бұрын
They reused the shots of the Enterprise leaving Dry Dock from TMP. That’s why the Enterprise has that pearlescent paint job in Dry Dock, but then switches to the matte white paint job in every other shot of the movie. It’s because ILM did the effects work for TWOK and had to spray a matte white paint over the studio model, so it would work with their blue screen technique. The TMP pearlescent reflective paint would’ve caused problems.
@toothlessrick397011 ай бұрын
The bridge of the Reliant and the Enterprise are the same. The walls were modular, they rearrange the order.
@mxplixic11 ай бұрын
@@DeltaAssaultGamingI like to just think that it's the spacedock lights that somehow make it look like that. 😊
@cleekmaker008 ай бұрын
The Production Designer liked the look of some protective Foam packaging he saw, so they made multiple molds of the Foam, and thus created Wall Panels fof the Enterprise and for other Interior sets.
@neneshubby11 ай бұрын
Spock’s death was a MASSIVE event at the time. Remember, no internet or social media so they were able to keep it under wraps. When the rumor started leaking out they added the beginning scene with his “death” to sort of a red herring throw people off. It was just stunning but Nimoy didn’t want to play Spock anymore but he changed his mind during the making of this movie. Reportedly, much of the crew was crying during Spock’s death scene.
@championskyeterrier11 ай бұрын
Spock's "solution" to the no win situation is such a great moment. Kirk has spent his career able to trick, gimmick and b.s. his way out of every situation, but Spock shows that sometimes the only solution is to sacrifice your own life, manhandle a starship engine back into functioning and save your ship and its crew.
@houseofsledge689111 ай бұрын
Yes! It is the theme of the film, its an indictment of Kirk dodging the no win in the test back in his academy days. Spock talks the talk and walks the walk
@sergioaccioly521911 ай бұрын
Up to a point. Kirk did have his shlt kicked out of him from time to time. Edith Keeler as exhibit A.
@coulsonintahiti11 ай бұрын
The same way peter Kirk defeated the Maru in the expanded lore :)
@timothyforce194911 ай бұрын
In the end of the grand scheme of things, Spock was the only one to ever beat The No Win Scenario. He sacrificed for the win, died, came back to life, became an ambassador, and even traveled to another time-line and helped his planet relocate. That's a life no one can really argue that Spock lived of full and meaningful life.
@SBatts-rd9kg11 ай бұрын
In principle I always thought that since Captain Spock defeated this test with his life and was brought back. How should Starfleet reward him? Admiralty should've been next. I don't think Shatner would have it. Lol!
@AtomicAgePictures11 ай бұрын
Ricardo Montalban was on a break from his television show Fantasy Island so they really only had him for about 2 weeks. So the script was written around his availability that's why he has no scenes directly with the rest of the cast. In addition to that Nicholas Meyer the writer-director really wanted to do a submarine style nautical battle. So that's why we have the final confrontation that we do.
@FP19410 ай бұрын
He filmed his scenes completely separate and ahead of time and they were then inserted into the movie
@Daviddaze8 ай бұрын
Khan support actors that were around him were actors from TV shows.
@zqxzqxzqx17 ай бұрын
The submarine style battle was clearly inspired by the TOS episode "Balance of Terror."
@AtomicBuffalo13 сағат бұрын
Harkens back to "The Enemy Below" -- Robert Mitchum and Curt Jurgens.
@DarinRWagner11 ай бұрын
William Shatner's voice cracking during the funeral gets me every time.
@WEB_78O11 ай бұрын
Leonard Nimoy's "Space, the final frontier..." at the end gives me goosebumps every time
@houseofsledge689111 ай бұрын
I always cry several times in this film but Nimoy's reading there of those lines always makes me just weep.
@peterschmidt434811 ай бұрын
Even though I've probably seen this film 20 times, I still get tears in my eyes at the end!
@readhistory202311 ай бұрын
Same here and we both know it isn't a real death. It's a great scene.
@markcoledrumteacher11 ай бұрын
Every time.
@Thermool11 ай бұрын
I’ve seen it likely close to that and got to see it in theaters for the first time. Movie came out the year I was born. I freaking cried, for the first time. As we’re people of all ages in that theater.
@Thermool11 ай бұрын
I’ve seen it likely close to that and got to see it in theaters for the first time. Movie came out the year I was born. I freaking cried, for the first time. As we’re people of all ages in that theater.
@headrockbeatsАй бұрын
Every. Time.
@Fool3SufferingFools11 ай бұрын
“Who’s been holding up the damn elevator?” Best line indeed, cutting straight through that weird tension between Kirk and Saavik.
@unimpartialobserver11 ай бұрын
A weird tension indeed! Up to that point, Kirk had almost never said "no" to a pretty lady who made him an offer, and it seems to him that Saavik's aware of his reputation and prepared to exploit it.
@SCJSorrell11 ай бұрын
The banter between Kirk and McCoy in the "elevator" is great, we don't get stuff like that anymore....
@AtomicAgePictures11 ай бұрын
The reason they keep coming back to the Kobayashi Maru is because the Kobayashi Maru is the entire theme of the movie. The point is how do you deal with the no win situation. How do you deal with death. As Kirk says, "It's a test of character."
@utterlee11 ай бұрын
I think what the film is most successful at is making all the human interactions finally feel deep, real and authentic. You actually believe these people are old comrades, friends, lovers, enemies, and it makes the universe feel more real than ever. The grittier effects and make-up add to this of course. I just love it.
@alienlovearts11 ай бұрын
You watched them in the correct order and it payed off. Kudos.
@Frankie2012channel10 ай бұрын
I saw this in theaters when it first came out. When Kirk's voice breaks during the eulogy, EVERYONE in the theatre I was in started crying. I was sitting in front of a row of women, and all of them were weeping. Even my own dad, who was a bit of a critic of Shatner's acting (my dad thought Shatner was the biggest ham ever), said that this was some fantastic acting.
@Tuning_Spork11 ай бұрын
Merritt Butrick (Dr. David Marcus) was 23 years old in 1982. Assuming the same age for David Marcus, he would have been 5 or 6 at the time of the episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before" in which Gary Mitchell mentioned setting Kirk with "that blonde Lab technician" that Kirk "almost married". Many Trekkers consider that blonde lab tech to be Carol Marcus.
@TJStock8511 ай бұрын
The Wrath of Khan... is a dish best served cold!
@Asher832811 ай бұрын
You're absolutely right in saying that Nimoy only agreed to do this film if they killed his character off, much like Harrison Ford did with Han Solo. But while they were making the movie, Nimoy had such a good time and could tell it was going to be good, so he asked for some loopholes being written in to the plot that might allow him to come back, which they did on the fly. But when this movie came out, there was no ST III, there was no Spock, Nimoy was done. And we all were devastated.
@philfitnesspt613911 ай бұрын
Not quite correct they they tried get him to appear and to convince him they said what if we gave you a great death secne? Leonard regretted killing him off after how well the film went and felt.
@DeltaAssaultGaming11 ай бұрын
That’s because Nimoy hated making The Motion Picture. In his own words: “It’s a nightmare. It’s a horror. And it was the making that first movie. Was very very dispiriting. Very depressing. Had a bad script. Bad script. That just never worked. It was always a struggle to try to figure out how to bring some life to this project. And we did our best. But I never… the pendulum swung completely when that first movie came along, from being an actor and character-oriented Star Trek to an effects-oriented Star Trek. “And the feeling was, oh we didn’t have the money before, now we’ve got the money, we’ve gotta give them a big effects movie, so it was all about the ship the ship the ship, and this effect and that effect, and we’re going through this thing and now we’re going through that thing. Nothing about the characters. So it was frustrating and depressing and very painful. “Right down to the last day! Right down to the last day of shooting, we tried desperately to inject. and occasionally they’d say, okay we’ll shoot a little. Let you come up with an idea. Then they’d cut it out of the movie. “The last day we’re on the bridge shooting the final scene of the movie, we’re all saying goodbye to each other, we’ve all come back supposedly for this mission and now we’re going back to our homes, and so forth. And Kirk goes around to the various characters and says: ‘Okay Dr McCoy, we’re going to take you back,’ he was coming out of retirement or something, ‘we’re going to take you back and go to Georgia.’ And McCoy says, ‘I think I’m here, I’ll stay.’ “And he came to me and says, ‘Spock we’ll have you back on Vulcan in a day or two.’ And I’m supposed to say, ‘Fine Captain, I think I’ll stay as well,’ or something. And I thought, let’s go for some fun here? We’ve been so somber this entire movie. There’s been no humor, no charm. Which Star Trek was full of! Charm and humor! Full of it! “So the final rehearsal, when he came to me and McCoy had just said he was going to stay on the ship, I said ‘Captain, if Dr McCoy is to stay here, my presence here will be essential.’ Got a big laugh out of the whole crew. Big laugh. “And then I saw a huddle with the bosses, off camera. And Bob Wise, bless him, who was directing the movie and really himself had said many times he didn’t have a grasp of Star Trek, came to me and he said, well the feeling is it’s not the right tone to end the movie, which should be a little bit more serious. “And okay. It was my gift to you. You don’t want it, fine, I’ll take it back. Hehe. They wouldn’t let me do it. And that’s an example of the kind of frustration that we had on the movie.”
@greenmonsterprod11 ай бұрын
Originally, the movie did not have the last shot of the casket/torpedo on Genesis, or Nimoy's closing narration. The preview audience was devastated. That, plus Nimoy's enjoyment of the shoot and wish to continue, convinced Harve Bennett to put in those last two elements for the release version. It left the fans with hope for the future and worked well, even though Nicholas Meyer objected to it, at the time.
@Shadowman471011 ай бұрын
I see what you did there...
@Swiftbow3 ай бұрын
@@DeltaAssaultGaming Man, scenes like that would have helped TMP so much. Every time I've watched that movie I just completely zone out while they're going through the cloud. There's just... nothing. Effects and people looking at effects. There's a handful of decent scenes, but mostly it's just "The Changeling" (Nomad) stretched to 2 hours, but with no character banter and lots of exterior shots.
@tomyoung904911 ай бұрын
One of my favorites of the movies. The emotional punch of losing Spock was so intense. Remember, when we saw this in theaters there was no next movie. So we really were shocked.
@bryanalexander757111 ай бұрын
Fun Fact: In the novelization, Saavik was half-Vulcan / half-Romulan. It's kind of funny that you asked if she was Romulan when she first showed up.
@TriarchVisgroup4 ай бұрын
Which is like being half Vulcan and half Vulcan. It makes no sense and i'm glad they cut that. Romulans are Vulcans, they're an offshoot from the time of Surak.
@Swiftbow3 ай бұрын
@@TriarchVisgroup It's not exactly, though. Romulans don't suppress their emotions. And Vulcans have done that for so long that it's partly genetic. (Romulans also lack most of the Vulcan telepathic abilities, as those derive largely from the emotional suppression... Vulcans have better control over their own minds.) So being a half-Vulcan/half-Romulan is much more closer to Spock's half-Vulcan/half-Human. It serves to better explain why Saavik isn't as stoic as most Vulcans. She smiles, she swears, she cries. (They dropped this aspect in the following movies when they recast her, and she acts like a full-blood Vulcan.)
@iKvetch55811 ай бұрын
The way that this movie holds up over time is just incredible...it is so good on so many levels and in so many ways.💯👍 And a big part of it for me is the music, so... R.I.P. James Horner 😢
@championskyeterrier11 ай бұрын
The musical score slaps and is good just for a listen sometime if you want to hear something epic, adventurous, and stirring.
@trhansen324411 ай бұрын
Agreed. They should have stopped with this film and never brought Spock back.
@Beuwen_The_Dragon11 ай бұрын
@@trhansen3244I, am hesitant to agree, as this is perhaps the One instance where bringing back a dead character has been appropriately set up in the plot… But mostly, it is because I love Undiscovered Country.
@sjstelzer10 ай бұрын
I would argue that the score elevates this film to greatness. It's so good that it's almost as if the score is a character itself.
@gavc644211 ай бұрын
To see two big tough lads like you guys tear up and be so like choked up to the point of crying as we all are when we watch Spocks death and funeral scene shows exactly how well it was done. Excellent point re Bones, it would have been good to have seen him shed a tear. Good job on this one boys, as always.
@royjohnson336111 ай бұрын
There'll be a few tears in the next one, too.
@Vulcanerd11 ай бұрын
When Kirk makes his entrance and both of you guys were like, "Yeah, that's what we're talking about (or something like it)!" was awesome.
@PHDiaz-vv7yo11 ай бұрын
I always aim to hold a hard back classic under my arm and grasp a belt buckle. That’s the hero pose
@Mac4058111 ай бұрын
Kirk's voice breaking at the funeral was my cue for the waterworks.
@c1ph3rpunk11 ай бұрын
This set the standard for Trek, they’ve been chasing that high ever since. I’ll never forget leaving the theater and saying “no way, they didn’t just kill Spock”.
@WmTRiker11 ай бұрын
As you noticed, as did many fans at the time this movie was released, Chekov wasn't in the first season when "Space Seed" takes place so, how could he have met Khan? Walter Koenig used to like to tell a story to explain this discrepancy. He'd say that Chekov _was_ on the Enterprise at the time but, as a low ranking ensign, he was relegated to cleaning the latrines. Well, Khan developed a bad case of "Montezuma's Revenge" and one time when he was rushing to the toilet he literally ran into Chekov causing him to "soil himself" before he could get there. Khan's response? "I'll never forget your face!".
@swk3811 ай бұрын
chekov was to fill in for sulu when George Takei's role in The Green Berets (1968) as Captain Nim, a South Vietnamese Army officer alongside John Wayne's character, took him away from Star Trek filming and he only appeared in half the episodes of that season. Walter Koenig as Pavel Chekov substituted for him in the other episodes. When Takei returned, the two men had to share a dressing room and a single episode script. Takei admitted in an interview that he initially felt threatened by Koenig's presence, but later grew to be friends with him as the image of the officers sharing the ship's helm panel side-by-side became iconic
@miketalas799811 ай бұрын
Did you guys know that Khan's last words are the Last words of Capt Abe of Moby Dick, as He plunges the whale killing lance into Moby Dick's backside! Khan was reading Moby Dick for the last 15 years stranded on that desolate planet! So as he went insane he kind of likend himself to Capt Abe!
@davidranderson111 ай бұрын
For me, this is a "no-notes" movie. The story, characters, direction, cinematography, effects, sets, costumes, etc. are all spot on. The movie works as both a Star Fleet mission story and a character-driven story. I've seen it many times and still laugh, cry, and cheer at all the same points. I can understand the disappointment in not having Kirk and Kahn physically together in the same space, but I like the decision to make the final confrontation a battle of ships. Star Fleet is after all the "space navy" and not the "space army." And, it also plays to Kirk's strengths as the captain of a ship. I also like the introduction of Kirk's son as part of the character's arc. He's growing older and both looking ahead to what he still wants to do as well as looking back at what he gave up.
@richardb626011 ай бұрын
Chekov was probably on The Enterprise during Space Seed. He just hadn't been promoted to the bridge crew yet.
@iKvetch55811 ай бұрын
This is what I had always figured...he was on the ship, just not important enough to get any mentions in the Ship's Log...or the historical documents. LOL
@BiggestDawgEver11 ай бұрын
Indeed. In fact, Sulu isn't in the episode either. It is also worth noting that Chekov was in "Catspaw" which has an earlier stardate than Space seed. So Chekov was definitely assigned to the Enterprise at that point. I have always just accepted that neither were on duty when the events of Space Seed happened.
That was the official story to cover up Director Nicholas Meyer's goof up. Meyer had never seen the TV series and only watched episodes when he was assigned to direct, and decided to use Space Seed as a back story for the next movie. Roddenberry had nothing to do with this movie, as for the disappoined response to The Motion Picture, or he might have caught that.
@RicktheCrofter11 ай бұрын
The novelization gives some more backstory. The cadet that Scotty brings to the bridge is his nephew. But, more interesting, is Saavik’s backstory. She is a Vulcan Romulan hybrid, whom Spock rescued from a Romulan prison planet, and she became his protege. ( My fan theory, since disproven by subsequent movies, was she was Spock’s daughter, by the Romulan Captain in ‘The Enterprise Incident.’ )
@joeconcepts555211 ай бұрын
Also, the longer cuts of the movie do say it's Scotty's nephew, too. I'm pretty sure, too, that the novel includes some conversations between Saavik and David, which he is sort of referring back to when he's talking with Kirk at the end.
@Raja193811 ай бұрын
Saavik's background is mentioned in a deleted scene: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6WaqIJthZ6ZjK8
@RicktheCrofter11 ай бұрын
@@joeconcepts5552 Spoiler Alert! In the novelization of the next movie it is shown that David and Saavik become lovers. This is not even implied in the movie. In the 4th movie it is a fan theory that Saavik stays on Vulcan because she is pregnant. Thus her child is Kirk’s grandchild. If my fan theory were at all possible, it would be Kirk’s and Spock’s grandchild. Of course, my fan theory is wrong There is an additional fan theory: Not only is she pregnant, but it is the young, regenerated Spock’s child.
@williampilling216811 ай бұрын
@@RicktheCrofter The original script for "The One With the Whales" had Saavik staying behind on Vulcan because she was pregnant with Spocks child from the Pon Farr incident on the Genesis planet. The reference to her being pregnant was cut from the movie however.
@wiseguymaybe11 ай бұрын
@@Raja1938 I personally thank you, it explains a lot on Saavik.
@andyt131311 ай бұрын
The battle sequence between Khan and Kirk is truly enthralling. I’m not talking the CGI, although that was great, I’m talking the writing. The back and forth, ebb and flow, call and answer between them throughout is masterclass and just has you captivated on what’s gonna happen next.
@markhamstra108311 ай бұрын
That’s not CGI. The only real CGI in the movie is the Genesis Effect in the briefing film.
@stevenjeanson888911 ай бұрын
Which was done by a little known company, called Pixar
@sulufest11 ай бұрын
No CGI, they were scale models and pyrotechnics. The Genesis planet demo sequence was however one of the first instances of computer graphics in a movie, and at the time was ground-breaking. Director Nic Meyer mentions in the DVD audio commentary that when they (he and crew) all saw it for the first time “it was all *gasps* ! 😮
@johnmackendrick517311 ай бұрын
Allow me to share a somewhat long winded memory. At the close of 1982, my cousin Dave passed away. Our last exchange was at the end of a memorial party in honor of our grandfather. As I was about to leave, Dave had to ask me a question. "Do you remember all of the trivia questions we answered over the phone?" When we were in high school, he was staying at my house for summer vacation and we spent a lot of time listening to the radio. A premiere of Star Trek II was coming to our small town and they were giving tickets to the first caller who could correctly answer various questions about Star Trek. We won a total of four tickets. It was, we were told, the world premiere of the movie. It was released in my small town before it was released in the big cities. We took my mom and my sister. The theater was filled with nothing but die hard Star Trek fans. We all cheered when Kirk's crew lowered the shields on Khan's ship. And, of course, completely silent during the now famous final scenes. Possibly the best movie going experience I ever had. Dave and I both heard rumors that Spock would die. Neither of us told the other. We wanted it to be a surprise. As I left the party, I plumbed my memory for answers. "Who played Spock?" Everyone at the party knew that one. You didn't even have to be a Trekkie to know that one. "What was the name of Spock's father?" They were a little more impressed with that one. "What was the name of Spock's mother?" Yeah, I guess the radio station was lacking in imagination. But we couldn't think of the 4th question we answered. Maybe I will never know. It might be lost forever.
@Drawkcabi11 ай бұрын
The Khan and Kirk being separated the entire time echoes back to this movie not only being a sequel to "Space Seed" but it's also heavily inspired by "Balance of Terror", a fan favorite TOS episode that I recall you didn't think was that great. So makes sense that that bothered you in this movie. For me, though, this is a near perfect film. I love it!
@maxshenkwrites11 ай бұрын
>> For me, though, this is a near perfect film. I seriously rank this in my top ten films of all time, period.
@andreabindolini745211 ай бұрын
Curiosly, they seems to have problems with many great installments of the show. Another one is "The Doomsday Machine". It was a great surprise that they actually like "The Moton Picture".
@maxshenkwrites11 ай бұрын
@@andreabindolini7452 Who is "they"?
@andreabindolini745211 ай бұрын
@@maxshenkwrites the two reactors
@oobrocks11 ай бұрын
This story is basically Moby Dick; here’s a quote from the novel and now in this film:”He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him. I’ll chase him round the moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom and round perdition’s flames before I give him up”
@richdurbin614611 ай бұрын
Yep. Obsession is a big theme of the movie.
@matta549811 ай бұрын
and his dying words were from Moby Dick too. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!
@goldenager5911 ай бұрын
In point of fact, the plot can be described as a duel between _two_ classic novels - Melville's *Moby Dick,* of course (which can be glimpsed on the bookshelf on Ceti Alpha V), and Dickens's *A Tale of Two Cities,* an antique copy of which Spock presented to Kirk in the beginning for his birthday. Though neither book is directly referred to in the film, each of the two opposing commanders speaks lines therefrom (it's interesting to note also, that Khan's quotes were made during the chase, where Kirk only referenced the other before and after the entire affair). 🤓
@Swiftbow3 ай бұрын
@@goldenager59 But what about Khan's copy of Statute Regulating?? It's so critical to his character arc ;)
@goldenager593 ай бұрын
@@Swiftbow By heavens...do you know, in all the years since I first saw the film, it's never even _occurred_ to me to take that vital plot point into consideration! 😮😲 😆 😉
@motodork11 ай бұрын
I saw this film opening weekend. I can tell you we were all shocked at the ending. My mother, a lifelong Trek fan, was beside herself with grief.
@bjgandalf6911 ай бұрын
I saw all of the original cast films in the cinema other than TMP, mostly the opening weekend...not sure if I watched WOK opening weekend...but I do remember how Spock's death really affected me as he's my favorite of the Big 3 but I fully understand that all 3 have to be there for the conflict to work. Ego, Id and Super Ego in character form.
@fredermac746811 ай бұрын
Same, I remember seeing my mom weeping, she was so unexpectedly gut-punched by it.
@LeChaunce11 ай бұрын
Watching you guys vocalize every thought I had when seeing this in the theater in ‘82 was absolutely wonderful.
@Vulcanerd11 ай бұрын
It made me feel all warm and fuzzy every time you guys would point at the screen or your eyes would pop as you yelled, "Oohhh!"
@pinsentweebly11 ай бұрын
Kirks pilot episode mentions a “blonde lab technician” that Gary Mitchell had set Kirk up with, and Kirk says he nearly married her. That was decided to be a Carol Marcus reference when breaking the story for this movie. Looking forward to the next few film reviews! Keep up the great work.
@RadioFanBoy11 ай бұрын
How we got here: The first ST movie made money, but had gotten mixed reaction, and Paramount felt that if there were to be sequals, new blood was needed. So Gene Roddenberry was kicked upstaries to the role of 'Creative Consultant'. Enter Harve Bennett, who had TV and Movie experience, but had never seen Star Trek. So to get a feel for the show, and possible story ideas, he grabbed some film prints, snacks and friends, and took to one of the screening rooms for some 1980 style binge watching. Got to 'Space Seed'; regognized Ricardo Montalban, and really liked his character. And when the episode ends the way it did and the line about 'the seeds you have planted today', Bennett said, "That's my movie!" Montalbon was still very much involved in the TV series 'Fantasy Island' when the movie was filmed, so yes he had a very limited shooting schedule. He took the role, because when he wasn't on screen, they were still talking about him.
@CaesiusX11 ай бұрын
Initially, *Leonard Nimoy* had some issues with *Spock* being so tied his identity in his post TV series years. He even resented it to a degree. Going so far as to writing a book called, _"I Am Not Spock!"_ So, when it came to playing *Spock* _again_ for a second film, he negotiated a deal where he did indeed come back for the film, but his character must die. He eventually came to terms with his *Spock* character, as he then wrote a follow up in 1995 called, _"I Am Spock!"_ This newfound appreciatioin for *Spock* really came through over the following films and TV shows. 🖖
@bsharp328111 ай бұрын
How about Shatner's eulogy delivery? Man, I can't think of another scene from any other movie that gets me teared up as quickly 😮
@kingpengvin8711 ай бұрын
I love this move so much because it is more than just a space shoot em up. It was a movie about aging and the regrets that come with it. The older I get the more powerful this movie becomes for me. The theme of the roads not taken and the poor thoughtless decisions made in youth biting one in the ass later in life ring true. Khan is bitter and vengeful as his life led him to a wasteland and loss of his loved ones. He tried to conquer a world and then when losing fled to space. He then made the same mistakenon the Enterprise trying to conquer it. That led him to his exile again and another attempt to conquer a doomed world. Kirk is isolated and unfufilled despite an exemplary carrer. He is literaly surrounded by the past in his home. All of his choices and rule bending brought him to almost complete defeat. You mentioned how Khan never seemed to win at any point... the same goes for Kirk. He temprarily tricks his way out of situations he put himself in by poor choices but it is Spocks sacrifice that allows him to "win". And that Sacrifice was a far greater loss to Kirk than merely losing a battle.
@maxshenkwrites11 ай бұрын
>> The older I get the more powerful this movie becomes for me. Absolutely. I enjoyed it on one level at age 19 when it came out, and appreciate it on a much deeper level now at age 59.
@RichardBrake-fo4iw11 ай бұрын
Director Nicholas Meyer replied that even in his sixties Montalbán, who had a vigorous training regimen, was "one strong cookie", and that his real chest was seen on film. Khan's costume was specifically designed to display Montalbán's physique. Montalbán agreed to take the role for a significant pay cut, since by his own admission, he relished reprising the role, and his only regret was that he and William Shatner never interacted - the characters never meet face to face, except through video communication - as their scenes were filmed several months apart in order to accommodate Montalbán's schedule for Fantasy Island
@alexbruce949911 ай бұрын
Honestly, a lot of people will say to watch Space Seed and Wrath as a double-bill, but IMO watching Wrath of Khan a moderate amount of time after Space Seed is the optimal experience. It helps to have gotten slightly fuzzy on the exact details of the episode so you don't pick up so much on the small and irrelevant inconsistencies. Watching the TV series and then going on to the movies puts it at the ideal point.
@aliceharper70711 ай бұрын
If you go back and look at the second pilot, Gary Mitchell actually says something to Kirk that could tie into this movie. He talked about the little blonde lab tech that he pointed at Kirk. And Kirk is like I almost married her!
@zoppie11 ай бұрын
That was fanon for a long time. It is beta canon now, since a few novel writers have incorporated it as fact in their stories.
@maxshenkwrites11 ай бұрын
And as I mentioned above in another comment, the STRANGE NEW WORLDS Kirk mentions a pregnant Carol Marcus in an episode this past season.
@MichaelBLynch11 ай бұрын
Ricardo Montalban starred in Fantasy Island at the time, and they had to shoot Star Trek around his schedule. He and Shatner filmed their scenes at entirely different times. That is why they were never in any scenes together. In fact, the bridges for both the Enterprise and Reliant were the same set. They just dressed it differently for as needed for each crew.
@pleasantvalleypickerca768111 ай бұрын
Saw it in the theater three times when it came out. Fantastic on a big screen. The whole audience was sobbing during Spocks death scene. This film saved the movie franchise.
@zoppie11 ай бұрын
Weeeeeeeeell, this is what Bennet and Meyer kept repeating in interviews at the time. Self-agrandizement, big time. I highly doubt that the franchise would have ended had this film never been made.
@Rikrik113811 ай бұрын
I like that Kirk and Khan didn’t meet face to face, it sets it apart from every other story. The fact they’re on different ships gives that Horatio Hornblower thing with ship battles on the high seas.
@RetroRobotRadio11 ай бұрын
Considering that this is only fifteen years after the TV series, and his son looks more than 15 years old, Kirk fathered the kid years before becoming captain of the Enterprise.
@gobabygirlzen11 ай бұрын
I bawled hysterically at this movie.
@monsterhobbies11 ай бұрын
Right @13:33 when Scotty says "He stayed at his post when the others ran." - That line of dialog was actually from a historic WWI obituary after The Battle of Jutland and refers to Jhon Travers Cornwell who stayed at his post, with dead sailors all around him, waiting for further orders from the captain.
@Elnont11 ай бұрын
De Kelley was great as Bones in the series but for me he really shines in the films. This film is huge pop culture wise but for me number 6 is the best Star Trek film, followed by 4.
@maxshenkwrites11 ай бұрын
I hate going along with the trope that the even numbered TREK movies are the best, but of the original movies, yes, 2-4-6 are the peaks and 1-3-5 are the valleys. I still hold ST2 as the best of ALL the Trek movies, but UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY is a close second, with FIRST CONTACT third.
@One_Odd_Ood11 ай бұрын
Yes! Undiscovered Country is my favorite, and arguably the best (at least the best-produced one). It’s a spiritual sequel to II
@JerichoDeath11 ай бұрын
@@maxshenkwrites In some ways, I feel like Star Trek 3 is slept on. It doesn't reach the heights of 2-4-6, but the villain was great on screen, and the movie was great setup for the plots in 4 and 6.
@staciepoole816111 ай бұрын
I totally agree, the 6’th film is probably my favorite now. I always watched this with my dad growing up and with my first pay check, I took my dad to watch “The Undiscovered Country”. It’s one of my best memories.
@Beuwen_The_Dragon11 ай бұрын
Perhaps one of the greatest pieces of art ever put to celluloid, and after so many decades it still hits at every moment as the first time I saw it. Glad you lads got the chance to experience it.
@paulonius4211 ай бұрын
The next four movies each give the secondary characters their own moments to shine, even if it's not anything substantial.
@ronaldjeffrey871211 ай бұрын
In the novel as well as the extended version of the film, it's established that the cadet Scotty carried to the bridge was his nephew. Which explains Scotties reaction.
@controversialconservative201011 ай бұрын
33:12 to answer your question about why Ricardo Montalbán and William Shatner are not on the screen together... In the original screenplay they had a fight on Rigal 4. But Ricardo Montalbán had a huge hit television series (fantasy Island) that made it impossible to do that kind of scene. So, to help with his schedule, and to save money, they redesigned the Enterprise bridge set to look like a different bridge by rearranging the walls. Then they shot all of the Enterprise bridge first then the reliant bridge second. This allowed Ricardo montalban to play his role as Kahn then return in time for the next season of Fantasy Island.
@peterkoester735811 ай бұрын
You got it exactly right - Nimoy had such an unenjoyable time during the making of TMP he had no intention of returning to the Star Trek franchise. Harve Bennett, who was given the producing duties for the sequel but had to use Paramount's television division to make this film (one of the consequences of the vastly reduced budget) approached Nimoy with an offer: Come back for Star Trek II and we'll give Spock the most dramatic death scene you can think of! Nimoy agreed, anticipating it would be his final appearance in Star Trek. Leaks of the script and Spock's eventual death made it out to the fan communities early during production, causing an intense uproar. As a result, the script was revised, adding the simulator scene and Spock's apparent death within the first five minutes of the film in the hopes it would throw off the fans and make them believe it was all a joke and that Spock would survive the film. In the original script, Spock would have been killed during Khan's initial attack on the Enterprise. The revision moved it to the end of the film, saving the ship. Part of what allowed this movie to be completed on a much smaller budget was almost all the sets they needed already existed. One reason the TMP budget was so high is Paramount rolled the costs associated with developing what was supposed to be the second TV series (Phase II) - building sets, creating props and costumes, writing scripts - into the film's budget. The decision to leave the sets standing in the Paramount sound stages after TMP was completed was fortunate. All the existing TMP sets like the bridge, sickbay, engineering, corridors, and crew quarters were redressed - in the case of the bridge the set was cut into 'pie slices' so sections could be moved around, allowing easier filming inside the set and easy re-dress to appear as the bridge of the Reliant. They would go on to become the longest standing sets in Hollywood - first built for Phase II in 1977, modified for TMP in 1978, refurbished and used for the films Star Trek II through Star Trek IV, modified to become sets for the Enterprise-D in The Next Generation, and elements of the original standing sets would go on to appear as parts of USS Voyager in Star Trek: Voyager. The original sets would finally be dismantled and replaced by the sets for the Enterprise NX-01 of Star Trek: Enterprise in 2001. The character of Saavik was originally intended to be a half-Vulcan/half-Romulan character that Spock had rescued from a failed Romulan colony sometime around the first season of the Original Series and who was raised by Spock's parents Sarek and Amanda, which is why Kirsty Alley portrayed her as a bit more emotional and strong-headed than the typical Vulcan. Unfortunately, all mention of Saavik's duel-heritage was edited out of the film (and subsequent re-edited releases) so as far as recognized by canon Saavik is a full-Vulcan. She would be played as such when re-cast with Robin Curtis in the sequels. The Director's Cut of this film makes it much clearer (by actually stating it outright) that Cadet Peter Preston was Scotty's nephew, his sister's oldest child, which explains the emotion displayed by Scotty at the cadet's death. And yes, it's true Chekov was not in Star Trek's first season when "Space Seed" was produced. Originally it was supposed to be Sulu who was Reliant's first officer (ironically, George Takei wasn't in Space Seed either), but during script revisions the character was swapped with Chekov. It has been accepted by the fandom that Ensign Chekov was indeed aboard the Enterprise during the first season, just not yet posted to a position on the bridge. One cameo you probably missed was that Reliant's communications officer was Commander Kyle - played once again by John Winston. Lt Kyle was one of the recurring Red Shirts aboard the Enterprise throughout the course of the Original Series (most often as one of the transporter technicians) and first appeared in the episode "Space Seed."
@conniegaylord520611 ай бұрын
That's exactly how we all felt in the theater.😢
@OzBaxter9 ай бұрын
I loooove the subtle natural banter between Bones and Kirk in the elevator: "She change her hair?" "I hadn't noticed..." "Wonderful stuff, that Romulan Ale..." The delivery! 🤣
@RetroRobotRadio11 ай бұрын
So they say this is 15 years after the episode "Space Seed." The original series and Star Trek Continues was a 5 year mission. The animated series another 5 year mission with a mostly new crew, but the same command staff. Then the first motion picture occurred and that new crew did another five year mission we never see on screen. The Enterprise was then made into a training ship for cadets, which is where this movie opens.
@TheycallmeMrWonka11 ай бұрын
The spaceships are a representation of Kirk and Kahn. That was the meeting of them. I never really considered the lack of in person fighting as an issue, Kahn is that superior in strength in that way it would be very one sided I do get wanting them to interact in person, reacting to each other in that way.
@richardb626011 ай бұрын
There's plenty of interaction between Kirk and Khan. I think it's just the wrestling fan in them that wanted an actual fight. I get the feeling they're going to like ST3 more than this one.
@luminiferous196011 ай бұрын
Although Kahn had superior physical strength, Kirk was the superior tactician and had superior martial arts skills, which he demonstrated in defeating Kahn in their first physical fight in Space Seed. Therefore, the fight between Kahn and Kirk in Space Seed demonstrated that Kahn's superior strength would not make a fight between them "very one sided" as you claim.
@harryzimmerman799111 ай бұрын
Kirk showed Khan that despite his genetically engineered "superior" intellect, that he was not only out of touch but that he was way out of his league!
@kellinwinslow198811 ай бұрын
Surprised you guys didn't check out the extended version which I thought was pretty common now. Scotty talking about his nephew is a nice character moment. Kirks son didn't bother me much. Kirk would have been about 30 when David was born and almost ready to take on the Enterprise. No doubt Carol didn't really give him any ibfo on their son,maybe a quick message telling him to stay away or something and Kirk probably never saw him. The scene with David and Kirk at the end was really touching and it all goes towards Kirks story of having to deal with things changing. It also adds to the next film. And on first watching I was a bit disappointed that Kirk and Kahn didn't meet face to face. But after realizing that it was really a story about one man dealing with mid life crisis and another who couldn't get past his obsession that way they set things up for them to encounter one another again didn't bother me. After all Khan needs a way to leave his planet,thus the Reliant. But why is the Reliant there? Genesis. Once Kahn has the ship then things just fall into place. He attacks,of course. Kirk outwits him and strikes back. After that it just wouldn't have made as much sense if they did meet. Kirks real enemy here was simply having to deal with life which was beyond his control even though he strived to be in control. It all works well. You get a kind of story where they meet with Into Darkness and it's incredibly dumb.
@trekkiejunk11 ай бұрын
I totally disagree about Kirk's son. I think Merritt Butrick did a great job as David, and i love the scene at the end with him and Kirk. It shows Kirk growing as a person, not just being a space cowboy. As for Carol, yeah, they didn't use her much in act 3, but what did you want them to do with her? The 3rd act was the build-up of the fight with Khan. Should they have had some shoved in melodramatic moment in the middle of the action like a CW show? I think they played her just right.
@philly8311 ай бұрын
A little bit of trivia. When Harve Bennett approved the design for the Reliant, he actually looked at it upside down and approved it. That's why the nacelles are below the saucer.
@markmoore23611 ай бұрын
Not only a great Star Trek movie just a great movie!, the undiscovered country is also great
@WanderingCactus11 ай бұрын
To answer your question regarding Khan and Checkov knowing each other, they apparently ret-Khan'd it in the novel that Checkov was on the ship, but not bridge crew during Space Seed.
@colonelquack11 ай бұрын
Supposedly, Saavik was supposed to be half-romulan. In a deleted scene, Peter Preston was Scotty's nephew. That's why he was so sad about the death of an engineer. III is easily D Kelley's best performance. The working title was Vengeance of Khan. Which. Was too close to the working title of Revenge of the Jedi. For the best both titles ended up changing.
@exile220ify11 ай бұрын
The reason Scotty is so emotional about the death of the cadet is revealed in the extended version: Cadet Preston was Scotty's nephew
@Andy-ju8bb11 ай бұрын
Apparently, Walter Koenig was responsible for checking the continuity with Space Seed. There was no way he was going to write himself out of the movie.
@tideoftime11 ай бұрын
2:25 In the original backstory for Saavik , she was supposed to be half-vulcan, half-romulan (and not having begun proper vulcan mental practices until she was around 6-8 years old), which is why relative to vulcans her emotions/reactions are very much near the surface. (This was, unfortunately, never elaborated on so the way Alley was directed can come across as "wrong" to some viewers, but she was indeed following the character's backstory as originally intended.) Sidenote: this is the first proper hint that vulcans and romulans had had a closer/still-sustained contact that was generally known, even among the broader romulan and vulcan populace. (You'll see more about that down the line...)
@Chou-seh-fu11 ай бұрын
"she was supposed to be half-vulcan, half-romulan" Yes, I think that was in the novelization.
@tideoftime11 ай бұрын
@@Chou-seh-fu It was also in the original filming of WoK, but the line and scene were cut (like many were, such as where it was noted that Midshipman Preston was Scotty's nephew). It was then incorporated into both the comics and the novelization. (This is why it isn't canon, but secondary source material; however, the related elements of her characterization -- her expressive emotions, by Vulcan standards, such as when she says "Damn" during the Kobayashi Maru, or flirts with Kirk in the turbolift, or later has a tear for Spock after his death, etc -- were all premised on her being half-vulcan/half-romulan, and not having had the initial cultural influence until she was at least 6-8 years old.)
@gregoryfloriolli903111 ай бұрын
For the rest of your life, you’ll never be able to hear the phrase “I have been and always shall be your friend” and not get misty eyed.
@Vulcanerd11 ай бұрын
So, a common plot hole that gets brought up, which Josh brings up, is that Chekov had yet to show up on Star Trek during Khan's episode of Space Seed, but Scott Mantz over on Enterprise Incidents has a theory/head cannon that fits perfectly in which, if the stardate system that gets used works how he thinks it works, then if you line them up, it shows that Chekov was already aboard the Enterprise during the events of Space Seed, but just wasn't assigned to the bridge yet. Not absolute canon for sticklers, but neat, nonetheless.
@joshuahartman313211 ай бұрын
Without spoiling which one or how it is, there is one more movie in the franchise that could be said to be a sequel to an episode. It's not one of the TOS movies, so it'll be quite a while until you get to it, but I think y'all will appreciate it. I very much look forward to seeing y'all react to the next two movies, as they, along with this movie, act as a Trilogy, with each movie leading directly into the next. As usual, an excellent reaction, and I can't wait to see the next reaction!
@enterprise1701e11 ай бұрын
I know which Star Trek episode-movie combination you're referring to. I agree, they will definitely appreciate it.
@Bnio11 ай бұрын
I really like that Kirk and Khan never meet face to face. Every damn movie does that. Star Trek hits different.
@christopherchivers267111 ай бұрын
You wondered why Scotty was so emotional when the cadet died, it’s because Peter, that’s the cadet was his nephew, his sisters son.
@OpenMawProductions11 ай бұрын
...KHANNNNNNN!!!!
@majkus11 ай бұрын
The 'Genesis Film' was ground-breaking CGI at the time. It still stands up surprisingly well.
@silikon210 ай бұрын
The Chekov character first appeared in the second season, but it was never stated when he joined the ship. He could easily have been working in engineering-- which is where Khan took over the ship. Sure, in a meta sense, Chekov wasn't created yet, but in universe there's no problem and it even makes sense.
@croycamaro11 ай бұрын
This is not only the best Star Trek movie, it is one of the best sci-fi movies of all time.
@Real_LiamOBryan11 ай бұрын
Yes! You guys really felt Spock's death and the eulogy Kirk gave for Spock. Loved every moment of this reaction. P.S. Scotty always gets me with his bagpipes too!
@cdfreester11 ай бұрын
Spock’s death scene was written specifically to entice Leonard Nimoy to sign on and there was initially no intention of Spock coming back. That would change, however , as filming was reaching an end and Nimoy enjoyed the experience and had second thoughts.
@timothyforce194911 ай бұрын
In the directors cut, you find out that the Engineers Mate, Peter Preston, was Scotty's Nephew. Thats why Scotty was so emotional.
@giantclam182211 ай бұрын
Captain Tyreel doesnt get the props he deserves. He fought with all of his might, and took his own life instead of harming others.
@lesigh174911 ай бұрын
If he had just thought to press one more button, he could have just stunned himself unconscious for a couple of hours.
@giantclam182210 ай бұрын
@@lesigh1749 shit....ur right.
@markallen298411 ай бұрын
Spock's death in order to save The Enterprise was Kirk's "no win scenario" hence the frequent reference to the Kobayashi Maru throughout the film.
@Jeremytorgersonofficial11 ай бұрын
Great review guys. I think the focus on Savvik was because she was the Vulcan character to replace Spock long-term.
@DeltaAssaultGaming11 ай бұрын
Kirstie Alley was also h0t
@henrikharbin552111 ай бұрын
In the director's cut it's explained that Peter Preston is Scott's nephew. That's why he's so shocked when Peter dies. I love Kirstie Alley in this film. In some ways she outVulcans Spock.
@BedsitBob11 ай бұрын
The reason Scotty is so emotional about Peter Preston's death, is that Peter Preston was his Nephew.
@user-kj5iu8bs1p11 ай бұрын
ST 2 The Wrath of Khan was HUGE when I was kid. I've seen this movie countless times & Spock's death always gets me. It's a treat to see people discovering Star Trek, Star Wars, etc. for the 1st time. You guys (as ST fans) seeing this for the 1st time was great. Can't wait until u get to ST: The Next Generation.
@anthonybernacchi273211 ай бұрын
Only two or three more Trek reactions before TNG! (Depending on when they do "The Cage.")
@TeeJayDesastron11 ай бұрын
It was never mentioned in any movie but in the novelization of "The Wrath of Khan" Saavik was said to be a hybrid between a Vulcan and a Romulan, which may be the reason why she is crying at the end.
@johnmackendrick517311 ай бұрын
It was mentioned in the television version.
@TeeJayDesastron11 ай бұрын
Really? I guess I have never watched this one. Otherwise I am pretty sure I would have remembered. It would appear I need to watch that version some time soon.@@johnmackendrick5173
@kevinnaber79011 ай бұрын
In the extended cut or deleted scenes it is revealed that the cadet who Scotty cried over was his nephew. Several plot lines were lost due to editing including Khan’s child and Scotty’s nephew.
@MrLoris8511 ай бұрын
Great to see two grown men, tearing up when Kirk calls Spock the most human at his funeral. This is Star Trek! 😂