FIRST TIME WATCHING | American Psycho (2000) | Movie Reaction | It's Hip To Be Square

In this Episode, Mrs. Movies watches the 2000 Black Comedy Slasher American Psycho starring Christian Bale. Will she still love Huey Lewis and the News afterwards?
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[@parker469a]

You should probably watch the Wisecrack video if you want any kinda sensical explanation for this movie.

[@JCResDoc94]

all vice presidents do nothing. -jc

[@MichaelLesesne]

Fun fact: The director had Willem Dafoe act each of his scenes with Christian Bale 3 times, once as if he KNEW Bale's character was guilty, once as if he thought he was innocent, and once if he was unsure. The editor then could mix and match Dafoe's facial reactions to create the confusion you see in the film. I personally think it works well!

[@DJGumm3yG4t0r]

Thats so smart wtf

[@miguelpadeiro762]

Damn...that's really clever

[@redengine6382]

I feel like he knew he was guilty during the dinner scene but was just trolling him at that point

[@nfo1347]

@Paulo Hernanndizz X to doubt

[@AyAy008]

I am *so* puzzled by how he's wearing his headphones over his hat

[@Gahlahad431]

The physics -- How?! O.O

[@laurahall5218]

Cut holes in the hat, earphones covering marks

[@iamthewalrus4998]

He’s American. Only thing missing was his holster lol

[@AyAy008]

@@iamthewalrus4998 Murrica!

[@iamthewalrus4998]

@@AyAy008 FREEDOM loving PATRIOTS 🇺🇸

[@plstne48]

I assume the reason they're all Vice Presidents and don't know each other is to imply that they're all interchangeable. No one stands out because they're all carbon copies of each other, enamored by shallow titles and material things.

[@davidhunt7454]

And vp titles in these type of companies are handed out like candies.

[@Xehanort10]

And the point at the end is that no matter what Bateman does he'll never be found out because everyone around him is too snobby, shallow and obsessed with themselves to care.

[@thismachinekillsmusic2]

@@Xehanort10 bing thats the main point. The book ends with the line " this is not an exit" after the scene were he confesses to everything and no one cares.

[@russellward4624]

And they all probably got the jkbs and titles because their dad's run the company. They don't actually do anything, it's just nepotism run amuck.

[@CopiousDoinksLLC]

That's what makes this movie so fun to watch, imo - the director left out a lot of the context as to why Bateman and his friends behave so oddly. That adds surrealism so you're never quite sure if Bateman is actually losing the plot or if he just inhabits a world that's so far disconnected from what normal everyday life should be that it may as well be alien, even to the people who are a part of it.

[@toniobroly6462]

Christian Bale is Unbelievable

[@dimitrakapa4887]

Yes❤️❤️❤️

[@aetasaurea1274]

Yeah. It's such a shame he turned down the offer to play James Bond. He'd be perfect for that role. Like a mixture of Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig.

[@tonyyul703]

@@aetasaurea1274 but we have BATMAN

[@pedrogarc1a]

@@aetasaurea1274 Can you imagine being Batman and also James Bond?, that would be insane. I think Robert Pattinson can nail the James Bond role too once he gets a little older

[@Jared_Wignall]

@@aetasaurea1274his reason for turning down James Bond was due to him seeing Bond having negative stereotypes against British people and didn’t want to play a character who essentially had such qualities. But thanks to him turning down Bond, he got to be Bruce Wayne/Batman and in my opinion is the best actor who’s portrayed the character.

[@realmadridchannel10]

Let her watch some Stanley Kubrick films if she hates ambiguity

[@SaRENRampaiger]

I'll start breaking her with full Metal Jacket. That one's a doozy.

[@JohnSmith-qn3ob]

If she hates ambiguity have her watch Total Recall

[@jdm1066]

Are you saying Kubrick was ambiguous?

[@cdsmith1990]

Or David Lynch!

[@umairrashid9345]

Have her watch Mulholland Drive

[@Saturnia2014]

Basically, Bateman is delusional; the theme of the movie (and better explained in the book) is how in the 1980s it was an overwhelming superficial and vanity driven society, which wasn't something that the previous decades hadn't experienced as much. the book pretty much takes a sledgehammer to the yuppie culture that was ever so prevalent in the 80s and how that culture of materialism and excess really caused a lot of people to become neurotic and delusional.

[@Luemm3l]

yeah, but there is even more to the movie, it is about symbols. the symbols being, for example, the cards. the only thing bateman defines himself over are his materialistic possessions or services he uses, i.e. his suits, his cosmetics, the coolest, newest pop music, having the nicest "card" a nice appartment, having a new gf or simply fulfilling his carnal desires, getting a reservation at famous dorsia and so on. thing is. he is just like everyone else in his little VP-circle that way. so he resorts to killing to "feel". the cards really drive that point home: they all look almost alike and one would wonder what all the fuss is about. they matter to bateman and the others because it gives them meaning, purpose, one-upping everyone else with their cards that are slighly different, thus giving them meaning, when on the surface level, they are all more or less the same. The same thing holds true for the killings, which are just imagined in the end and are not even there, but give him meaning in his dull life. his confession at the end is totally meaningless, no one reacts to his murders, but that was something he wanted to get recognized, because otherwise, he wasn t, he was just one of many. But even going that extreme, he still remains a non-person, a mere symbol. see, the meaning of a symbol is different from a icon. A Icon usually has a univeral meaning, take the red cross for example. Means the same pretty much everywhere on the world, so regardless where you are from or what language you speak chances are you know what it means. A symbol can have a very different meaning to everyone, depending on how you relate to it. See, all the things in the movie, the cards, the hookers, the handshoes (which he puts on to kill Lewis, but he probably interprets it as a fetish thing), the music, etc. also, he himself, in a sense is without meaning or at least a set meaning as he explains in the beginning "I am simply not there".

[@darkmagus64]

True but the director said in an interview that she didn’t intend for people to think it was all in his head, although she wanted to remain ambiguous. I think he’s an unreliable narrator and some it may be true.

[@laurahall5218]

"The culture of materialism and excess caused neurosy and delusion" ?? You mean it wasn't just the cocaine?

[@Kaylakaze]

@@darkmagus64 Directors lie ALL the time about what their "intentions" were. Either that or they're too stupid to understand how people will take their work.

[@loungekiller]

What I took out of this movie is the collective identity and the loss of individuality in this sea of materialism, narcissism and delusion.

[@Bradford659]

Patrick doesn’t have to do anything at work. His father runs the company.

[@jrj3505]

Does his father cover up his murders?

[@idkaboutthisfuckoffyoutube1041]

@@jrj3505 probably his father but also the people around him are just as crazy and do it like it’s normal

[@antoniopalmiero6761]

@@jrj3505 He never murdered anyone

[@lucelenthawk3543]

@@antoniopalmiero6761 in the book it was implied that the real estate cleaned murder apartment because she cared more about selling it than the lives lost

[@antoniopalmiero6761]

@@lucelenthawk3543 We are watchin the movie here 🙂

[@Shleemaa]

"He's got mommy problems" - in the Book there is a scene where he meets his mother and she is unbearably cold with him. So you must be correct. And there is a simple explanation to why the Paul Allen apartment was cleared - his close ones came to check on Paul and found no trace of him and all the bodies inside. So they decided to cover everything up and to sell the multimillion-dollar property without turning it into a crime scene which would have made it lose its value.

[@memesandgames3184]

TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT DORSIA NOW

[@jdm1066]

No one goes there anymore...

[@paulwibb.8944]

@@jdm1066 Paul don't

[@aleistergein114]

Not only do all the business cards look the same, not only are they *all* vice presidents, they all have the same misspelling of the word "acquisitions."

[@Existential_Carousel]

The director of the film said in an interview that Bateman did kill those people and admitted that the confusion about the ending was a failure (although maybe a good one) on her part. I think the implication with the apartment is that the owners of the building found the bodies and rather than report it and have the property value drop they cleaned everything up and try to rent it out again immediately to keep the money coming in (which would be in keeping with the themes of the film).

[@gauravg_013]

Wtf no.. she said it's an open ending..

[@Existential_Carousel]

@@gauravg_013 You should get in touch with her and let her know what she said 👍 She must've forgot.

[@nGUNNARp]

the bodies being cleaned up was one of the more obvious things in the movie... a lot of it comes down to the themes of capitalism and everyone just being such carbon copies of one another...on top of that, it takes it to a satirical extreme.

[@xennexen9849]

For the Vice President question, it is just a middle management role in Investment Banking and has nothing to do with being a "Vice President" per se, it's just the name of the role. Investment Bankers automatically become a Vice President if they stick around 6-7 years. There are a lot of Vice Presidents in an Investment Banking firm, especially in the big ones like JPMorgan and Goldman Sachs.

[@MrsMovies]

Had no idea, thank you for the insights!

[@TheSaxcat]

Speaking of Willem Defoe... His performance in 'The Boondock Saints" was def one of his most memorable.

[@YouMeTheMovies]

Yes it is. And the Mrs. just told me she hasn't seen it... Added to the list!

[@danielb4387]

Not to mention "The Lighthouse," especially with his monologue about the lobster.

[@lauriedonahue3373]

I just mentioned that same thing! That was an awesome movie!!

[@NickiTwix]

@@danielb4387 “WHY’D YE SPILL YER BEANS?” 😂

[@LastRenegade]

"She doesn't know who William Dafoe is... " Neither do you, since his name is _Willem_ Dafoe, lol.

[@arnoldrivas4590]

Both are correct.

[@kevtb874]

It's actually pronounced Willem DAYfoe

[@cyrus2546]

@@kevtb874Wrong. It’s pronounced Will-Helm Dee-Foo.

[@brandoncollins1225]

The director, Mary Harron, has expressed some regret that people see the film's ending as ambiguous. What she intended was that Patrick really was committing all of these crimes, but his fellow upper society members would turn a blind eye to that sort of thing because they all sort of protect their own. All of the rich folks have their own agendas and commit their own crimes, so no one seems to give a shit. That's why the realtor got rid of the bodies. She wanted to sell that property and make money. She didn't care if there was a serial killer in front of her because she's just as big of a monster. The only person who hasn't been compromised by all of this is Jean. That's why she's the only one who reacts so viscerally to Patrick being a psycho when she finds his notebook. Interesting side note, in Bret Easton Ellis's later stories that involve Patrick, he and Jean are married and she is now part of that upper class. Even SHE had her price.

[@Victor-qx3vx]

Huh… And here I thought they were so shallow that no one noticed Paul was murdered. Simply mistaking him for someone else.

[@jovazquez6102]

Yeah, and the scene where Patrick says "You're a fucking ugly bitch! I want to stab you and then play around with your blood" I feel like also works as if he actually said that out loud, because women a lot of times just have to take shit like that.

[@dariusalexandru9536]

bullshit ,Ellis sayd that Patrick commnits just a part of them

[@maplerrrrr]

except she never said that and she said the wanted ppl to think the ending as something ambiguous, great misinformation tho !

[@guywholivesforart]

​@@dariusalexandru9536In Ellis's novel, yes, it's partly hallucinatory, but Mary Harron intended all the killings to be real in her adaptation.

[@HackWilson14]

It is all real, the only thing that was in his imagination was the ATM saying to feed it the cat. The filmmakers have explained what's really going on in the film. Patrick is just another Wall Street guy in a suit, and all the Wall Street guys in the film are portrayed as dressing similar with similar hair cuts and suits and business cards and personalities. The identities of these Wall Street guys were getting mixed up throughout the entire film by many different people. The lawyer confuses him at first for someone else and then when he realizes what Patrick is saying is true he just wants to just brush it under the rug instead of dealing with what Patrick is confessing to. When he goes back to the apartment and it's cleaned up, and the women tells him to leave the building and don't come back, it's because that women is the person who is trying to sell that apartment and she cleaned up the house and covered up the murders to prevent the value of Paul Allens former penthouse from dropping significantly. She represented how people are greedy and will turn a blind eye for personal profit. Sadly a lot of people wrongly think everything that happened was in Patrick's head

[@johnnyjohnny6174]

The filmmakers have said they don't like ambiguous endings, however the creator of the original book has said it is unknown if the murders took place or not. I think that gives anyone license to believe what they want. Personally, I like the ambiguous ending better. It creates a world of uncertainty where you don't know what is real or not and I think that serves the story better. The real story is not some murder mystery you have to unravel, but a critique on yuppie culture and how fake and delusional it was. Having the end be ambiguous heightens that delusional aspect of the overarching story imo. But, obviously, each to their own.

[@YouMeTheMovies]

I saw another comment say that the only thing that really happened was when he invited his secretary over and couldn't pull the trigger, that kind of makes sense to me.

[@jadeandjesse5908]

I think it's pretty narrow and reductive even of the filmmakers to say that, it's ambiguous by nature of how the movie is.

[@vip3r421]

Your wrong I watch all 60+ times it was all in his head nothing really happen the lawyer had dinner with the guy he claims to kill and he realizes everything there yes he kill some people probably 1-2 but that’s about it everything else was in his head

[@thecommentingdouche5497]

@@vip3r421 No, that's wrong. How do you even know that the person Bateman refers to as Paul Allen is actually him and that he's not mistaking him for someone else, just like how the lawyer could be mistaking whoever he had dinner with in London for Paul Allen? There's a constant theme of mistaken identity since all of these wall street yuppies are so absorbed into the same lifestyle and that's part of the critique of that culture. If you read the book it explores that theme and the others in much more depth, so I'd highly suggest you read it as it will give you more insight into the bigger picture of what both mediums are trying to say.

[@FireTiger941]

If you hated this movie because you didn't know if it was all real or not, then I advise you not to watch "Total Recall" with Arnold Schwarzenegger, you'll be just as disappointed

[@YouMeTheMovies]

Shhhh. That's on our list to watch soon. Haha!

[@philliplewis6964]

It wasn't real, all a dream. In the director's commentary they tell you its a dream. Go back and watch the ending and you will see the white light before the fade to black.

[@anneperry9014]

@@YouMeTheMovies God, total recall is ab shit!!!!!🙄

[@TheGreatDetectiveKnows]

It has always been my impression that everything besides the ATM was legitimate and that it was covered up or 'ignored' for personal profit. It's much easier to just think that Patrick is kidding, much like how they don't take him seriously throughout the film despite the obvious warning signs - it's a societal commentary.

[@senecakw]

That's a bit hard to believe, isn't it? That last spree was carried out in the open with bodies scattered all over the place and many witnesses. There's absolutely no way something like that could be covered up. There were a number of other events that are difficult to accept as real. Dragging a body through the lobby? Even if he could do that and get away with it (unlikely), the fact is that he never would have even tried that because it's so patently stupid.

[@russellward4624]

@@senecakw I think maybe they're saying everythung before the ATM and everything post that scene was real. Thats how I see it.

[@overlordcrumb]

@@senecakw suspension of disbelief

[@KangarooMonkey]

@@overlordcrumb exactly. That is beyond the suspension of disbelief, before now his actions had some kind of affect, him killing Paul Allen meant he had to hide the body and an investigation, him killing a bunch of people including cops has no effect whatsoever. Suspension of disbelief isn’t a get out of jail free card.

[@kevtb874]

@@KangarooMonkey it's a satire. It's it a piss take of shallow materialism and elitism and dead eyed yuppie bros. It's not meant to be real. It's meant to be ridiculous. I personally think the movie loses it's entire point if we think it's just a dream or in his head. What then? Weirdo has sick daytime fantasies? Not really a story is it?

[@DarthSpringsteen]

"I won her with my striking personality" *Explosive laughter* "Shut up and watch the movie!" "Ok, Sorry" This is why you guys are my favourite reaction channel. Toooo relatable. Also the fact that Mamma is a super detective who calls out any big twist within the first few minutes without realising it is the best!!!

[@rosemaryfarell5264]

Mammas hot

[@CopiousDoinksLLC]

I love how Mrs. Movies gets so stuck up on the fact that Patrick is "Vice President of nothing". It's actually a really clever observation because it's definitely meant to be a statement about the triviality of most upper management positions and 'the elite' in general: a lot of the time, these people generally _don't have_ any real function in society besides owning masses of resources which makes the lower classes believe that they're important and necessary by default.

[@ceeeemdeedees7496]

But it’s actually not upper management... if he is a Vice President of a big wall street firm, he could be one of hundreds or if it’s global; thousands. Basically, if you have your MBA and been a good associate for 3 years, you’ll become a Vice President. After that, it’s harder and harder to get promoted.

[@bennalexanderleyland9088]

Also, it's supposed to symbolise that they are all the same person. They all have the same jobs; the only thing that separates their suits, hairstyle, attitudes, addictions, business cards, etc... are menial things, because the margin for error in the deviation from the identity is so small; and, none of them even really know each other. Like Patrick says in his opening monologue: there is an idea/abstraction of Patrick Batemen, but in reality he does not even exist. His whole identity is the nexus of corporatism. Patrick Batemen is just as easily Paul Allen or Halberstram or Bryce, and so on. It is just a sea of businessmen acting and appearing the same. The vanity and shallowness of the characters plays a big part in understanding why these trivial things matter so much to them. Because they are all identical, they essentially get lost in the image they have all bought into, so these marginal differences are huge and impact greatly how they value themselves. Their only frame of reference is each other. It is the reason Batemen is so transfixed by the cards: because such a thing is symbolic of being integrated to the point where you can personalise a part of your identity, demonstrating your taste. It is all about image, and any slight edge is huge when the margins are so fine. So if he doesn't have the finest card, then he hasn't got that edge. I feel It is the reason Patrick infodumps so much to people whom are made to listen to him, such as the escort/prostitutes or Allen. He knows he is going to kill them, so he gives himself the catharsis of being able to express himself to people who ultimately won't be able discern him from the rest of the flock. Essentially, all these well-offs are so lost in their own vanity, egos and monotony that they don't even realise nor care that Bateman has been committing serial murders. Had they also been murdering people, it might have got their attention because he is competition at that point. They generally care way more when someone outperforms them, because it is dog-eat-dog, and again, image and status is everything. Even Batemen's lawyer cannot distinguish him from his other clients, nor can he distinguish Paul. Lastly, they are so removed from society, the rules simply don't apply to them at all. Hence why Batemen can canter around killing people with little regard for discretion---even dragging bodies straight through the lobby of his apartment building. They are above society. This is why the dice always rolls in their favour. It isn't just luck, but a product of the environment they exist within. The same reason is more symbollicaly represented by Batemen dropping the chainsaw from the top of the staircase at Paul Allen's apartment and killing the prostitute. It isn't luck, but an allegory that Batemen, who is on top of society, has all the luck over the prostitute, who is at the bottom of it. He is even naked and screaming after, because no matter what happens, his screams won't be heard, nor his behaviour won't be questioned. Meaning, no matter how flagrantly someone in his position acts, indicting them is nearly impossible.

[@Laidengizer011]

@@bennalexanderleyland9088 Wow, that's quite the analysis. Thumbs up.

[@YouMeTheMovies]

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[@pappajudas9267]

That time Batman went insane and killed the Joker with an axe while listening to Huey Lewis and the News.

[@d34d10ck]

They made it actually pretty clear at the end. The ATM said "Feed me a stray cat" and he was able to blow up two police cars with his gun. That doesn't happen in real life. Also. As you said. Why was nobody hearing him chasing a woman with a chainsaw down the corridors of the building and where did all the dead people go? There's not much room for interpetation there.

[@jbelisle1986]

So, American Psycho 2 was a straight to DVD movie that has a passing mention of the first movie and was just cashing in on the name. The actual sequel to the story is called Rules of Attraction, and stars James Van Der Beek as Patrick's brother, Sean. There's even a scene where he talks to Patrick over the phone. They tried to get Bale to reprise the role but he turned it down, because it was just a bit part.

[@TheNeonRabbit]

He doesn't actually have any musical taste. That would require humanity. He's parroting reviews he's read because he wants to "fit in". The realtor covered up the evidence because the apartment being a crime scene would damage the value of the property, something which would cost her a huge amount of money in that area.

[@Xehanort10]

Yeah. He's just pretending he likes what's popular and mainstream to seem normal.

[@lotharschmal7991]

@@Xehanort10 I disagree, he has internal monologue which heavily suggest him having a musical taste, besides him listening to it all by himself. Liking music doesn’t require humanity, just a biologically active brain

[@dariusalexandru9536]

@@lotharschmal7991 true

[@mrgmusicclass]

@@lotharschmal7991 i think he does that to fit in. All the stuff he likes was mega popular. And he's definitely quoting reviews when describing the music/albums/artists.

[@nulltheworm]

These two are amazing together. But the wife seems like the most fun person ever to watch messed up movies with. lol

[@jadeandjesse5908]

I think the point of the movie is that it doesn't actually matter if he really killed all those people because the world he lives in is so narrow minded and selfish that they really wouldn't notice either way. The Wall Street life is shown as some kind of perfect breeding ground for psychopaths, that these guys are all the same and don't even know each other, that any of them could be like Patrick and none of them would notice. Like the scene with Paul Allen's apartment, you could interpret it as Patrick having not really killed those women (explaining more realistically how he was never arrested and that maybe the chainsaw fantasy happened while he was drawing it on that napkin) and that the "die Yuppie scum" message he wrote on the walls and no one helping the screaming woman in the hallway shows that he holds some resentment over the life he has and how shallow everybody is. Or, you could see it as his rich father covering for him, or I've even read some people who believe the owners of the building cleaned it up because it would plummet their values and they would lose good rich tenants, because everything in the world comes back to money and appearance.

[@johnnyjohnny6174]

I agree that it doesn't really matter if he killed the people or not. If just wondering 'did he or didn't he?' is the only thing people take away from the movie then they've missed the point.

[@eddyrose8596]

Great commentary

[@Hoganply]

Willem Dafoe really made me fall in love with his character in Platoon. Great actor.

[@user-pn3fb9eo5i]

Let's see Paul Allens movie review.

[@d34d10ck]

Did she really just call me a loser and a dork?

[@boldbearings]

3:51 ohh my you hit that right on the nose didn't you? It isn't mentioned in the film, but the novel this is adapted from briefly features his younger brother and their mother, a cold, dysfunctional person.

[@YouMeTheMovies]

She's happy to know her detective skills were right about this.

[@fauxrowsdower7610]

You guys are so cute together the “I could never be a hooker” conversation killed me deader than poor miss Christina

[@kristopherwood7521]

There is a parody of the huey Lewis scene with Weird Al and Huey Lewis.

[@FireTiger941]

Now you have to watch The Dark Knight, where Patrick Bateman becomes Batman.... "I'm Batman, I'm Patrick Batman!" LOL

[@SaRENRampaiger]

"i'm not wearing hockey pads."

[@yesman8503]

And Jared Leto also becomes the joker in the deceu

[@sugarplumsoda]

I think he killed his wife named "Amy"

[@Hoganply]

Adding to the theory that his character was part of his illusion, Dafoe was actually intentionally directed differently in each scene so the audience never knows whether he's on to him or completely agnostic.

[@radicaladz]

Moreover, it's not just that he's acting/directed differently between scenes, but even from take to take within those scenes - you can see his facial features and posture subtly shift as it cuts back and forth between him and Bale, and it gives this unsettling air to his delivery where you can never tell exactly how in the know he is.

[@elheadkickio]

Such a brilliant choice. It played perfectly too.

[@FlyingPaladin]

My dad once said he had to return some video tapes. That was 27 years ago. I hope he's okay

[@adithyanstatus8642]

Lol 😂

[@daveofyorkshire301]

Films don't make you feel more for the animals, you have more empathy for the animal than the person. When this was made it would have been the other way around, and the violence against people would have shocked and the animal violence would have just shown him to be indiscriminately violent. Perceptions change and many now strangely have more empathy for animals than people.

[@fynnthefox9078]

Lol right?

[@lotxi_07]

Yeah you are right cause I felt more for the man.I think people from the west love animal more than human.On the contrary here in the south asia we don’t give a fvck about dog except the elite class who generally copy paste the west in everything. (it’s not like we don’t give dogs food or something, we just don’t cuddle them like puppy and share every dog video we see in the internet) Ok don’t judge us cause we are fucked up in our own life to pay attention to have 2 dogs and 3 cats.

[@lexsidious]

I really enjoy your banter that you guys have. I look forward to your reactions. Amazing stuff.

[@YouMeTheMovies]

Glad you like them!

[@darkhorse1280]

American Psycho 2 is actually not the canon sequel (thank god) If you're interested, you should watch The Rules of Attraction (2002) instead. Stars James Van Der Beek as Patrick Bateman's younger brother in college. Written and Directed by Roger Avary (Pulp Fiction) and was really ahead of its time -- both from a storytelling and editing standpoint. Highly recommend you react to it. :)

[@jasonvoorheescampblood]

Is The Rules of Attraction canon to the American Psycho Movie?

[@darkhorse1280]

@@jasonvoorheescampblood No, but its canon to the novel. They tried to cast Christian Bale for a cameo but he declined. Casper Van Dien was cast as Patrick in his place but the scene never made the final cut.

[@jasonvoorheescampblood]

@@darkhorse1280 that Argument doesnt Really Speak against it being canon

[@darkhorse1280]

@@jasonvoorheescampblood The AP movie was just a condensed version of the novel with a lot of the more disturbing moments omitted from the script. What makes you think that AP2 is more canon to AP?

[@jasonvoorheescampblood]

@@darkhorse1280 I never said AP2 is canon

[@Ryanrichey13]

First video I've seen of you both; y'all are adorable and funny; keep up the great content!

[@Meg_Lovegood]

The Best Dark-Comedy It's Dry but the high notes just Stab the point home.

[@MrNeCr01]

Back before the 90s, those Nailguns used to be operated with explosive charges, just like a real gun.

[@shawnwacek6791]

Christian Bale is unbelievable this is the greatest mind-effing f*** in the world of a movie

[@jjpe306]

I've always taken the violence and sex to be a mixture of real and fantasy. Patrick dissociates, imagines himself in the pornos & slashers he incessantly watches, in order to deal with the disrespect, apathy, and superficiality from everyone and everything in his life. But he does really have sadistic & psychotic impulses, especially toward those he sees as social inferiors. With peers he is invisible, awkward, or the butt of jokes. He lacks the spine to stand up for himself when people forget who he is or insult him to his face. In the novel we find out even Patrick's younger brother Sean is more charismatic and connected than him (Sean can easily and impromptu get them into Dorsia when he visits Patrick.) I think the murder of the homeless man in the alley is likely real, as was the initial sadism with the prostitutes. He has probably handed out several hush checks in the past. But I think the prostitute murders were fantasies. He is also possibly a repressed homosexual, as he accuses Paul Allen of being. The only reason why he is with his fiancee is to fit in, and the only ways he can interact with women is by mansplaining, dominating, or hurting.

[@eddyrose8596]

I kindly disagree. He is a cold blooded killer and that's what gets him off. In part it is an outlet given his frustration by the banality of society. But more accurately he is cut off from others and from feeling any kind of empathy. He gets off by indulging in extreme behavior and exerting absolute dominance. In his narcissistic and demented world killing is a sign of strength. The poetic lisence of the story is that everyone around him covers for him. People see and hear no evil. This is the real point of the story. We excuse evil and are readily blind to the crimes by the powerful. No one can see him for who he really is because they are blinded by his wealth. You might ask how he never gets caught? Well again that's because he is the man in the high castle. His lord or highness is protected. He sits on top a fortress or above the law. At the end of the film he comes to terms, a kind of rite of passage, that he is born to rule. You see the crimes from the iran contra controversy being explained away. The castle protected.

[@stefanforrer2573]

@@eddyrose8596 well, that seems a very superficial interpretation..... and it also doesn't hold up if you bring the novel into play

[@eddyrose8596]

@@stefanforrer2573 The story is obviously ambigious and presents a tapestry of fantasy and reality that is incongruous so as a reader or audience you cannot be certain what is real. Now comes the fun part. What's it all mean? What do you think it means? Call it a weak interpretation, that's okay. I still think this story is about the dissociative disorder that we as a public experience. We excuse the crimes of those we take orders from or depend on. Or more accurately we are blinded by their societal prestige and power. we don't see their crimes. No better example than a lunatic Bateman that fantasises about murder and performs it too. He might lack soul or be an empty shell of a person but apparently there is no one in the room who suspects him. Awareness is completely void and lost on everyone. The crimes of the powerful go unanswered all the time (aka epstein, saville). It is a demented society that does not know its own reality.

[@Poopookachew1]

@@eddyrose8596 Yup. The scene with the realtor was what clenched it for me that at least some of this was meant to be real. "Don't come back," and his reaction to her, like he's met the real monster that is more worried about the property value of the flat going down if it's found out it was a murder den, rather than reporting the crime. He's met his match. Either way that seems a pretty intentional message by the director. The city is the unseen character, and its character is more powerful and hardcore than any one psycho can gin up for themselves.

[@EdouardPicard0224]

Let's see Paul Allen's reaction

[@arnoldrivas4590]

After watching you guys reacting to this movie (and re-watching it on my own lol) I just remembered I have to return some videos...to the library.

[@Skullzrapper]

I'm not a giant fan of this movie but I love hearing people talk about it! It's very interesting to think back on and come up with interpretations!

[@Vertigotheatre1]

The Broadway musical version of this film/book is also stunning and unique.

[@Lukkern]

This movie is a masterpiece. One of the most hilarious movies i've ever seen. I guess it's not for everyone though. You gotta like dark comedy and movies with ambitious endings.

[@bloodyivy7453]

Their questions: "Why do they keep confusing each other for another person?", "Why don't they know each other, if they are so important?", "Why are they so into themselves?", "Why is he not correcting the guy?", "These cards are all the same!" I was cackling. Those questions are so precious to the meaning of the story.

[@j.scottvanlester4584]

Best line, delivered with intensity: I have to return some videotapes. The second movie has Bill Shatner in it too! It wasn't filmed as a sequel and just got renamed afterwords to leech off the name!

[@TimDownsAnimation]

Can't tell if it's been mentioned in another comment already, but Christian Bale based Patrick's mannerisms on Tom Cruise. He had the misfortune of meeting him somewhere and was so weirded out by him, that he decided to just pretend to be him when playing as Patrick Bateman lol

[@n0tk0sher]

Just let the man eat at Dorsia one time, problem solved.

[@Merecir]

The owner of the building found the corpses and instead of reporting it to the police they just cleaned it up so that no one wold know a psycho killer kept dead bodies in there.

[@williamsummerson1204]

She would be awesome at cinemasins.😀. One of Christian bale's greatest performances. Leonardo DiCaprio, tom cruise, and Edward Norton were all considered for this role.

[@mikemath9508]

I adore stories without satisfactory endings. Always a nice surprise.

[@darkskythe1979]

I think the one movie that sold me on his acting skills is "Harsh Times" you have a British actor playing a white latino American raised in East Los Angeles Latino gang lifestyle that is a military veteran. Awesome movie.

[@RocaBibaby]

It all happened, it was just exaggerated in his head to cater to his ego. He made himself the best of everything, got the best tables, the finest clothes, the most attractive women, was a crack shot. When something like the cards conflicted with that, he freaked. And them all having the same cards, clothes, jobs was commentary on how interchangeable and disposable they all were.

[@TheKaijuCowboy]

Power of Love is the best Huey Lewis song.

[@garbageday587]

For me it was The heart of Rock N Roll.

[@davidgagnon3781]

He's a VP at his father's business, if I remember correctly.

[@zardox78]

19:09 Not only that, but there's a safety catch at the end (that's supposed to ensure that you're right up against a surface) that you have to hold back with your other hand or it won't work. But even with that _and_ the compressor hooked up to it, at that range it probably wouldn't penetrate the skull. It would hurt, and it would bruise, but those things are made to work at exactly one range: point blank. "Could be a battery-operated one." Dude... really?

[@laurahall5218]

"How come they were all vice presidents?" That was the 80s.

[@Brendissimo1]

"Maybe he's all of those people around the table" - figuratively, that is a core message of the film. Men of this social class, in this time period, in the city, lived lives that were so hollow, materialist, and interchangeable, that it isn't that crazy to imagine that none of them really know each other at all. Nobody really cares and nobody really knows each other. A literal psychopath could be among them and they wouldn't care or wouldn't believe it.

[@jxchamb]

There is an awesome parody with Weird Al and Huey Lewis where they reenact the scene with Paul Allan. Seek it out you must.

[@Swissswoosher]

Wife: *likes Huey Lewis and the News* American Psycho: I’m about to ruin this mans whole career.

[@robovike]

Willem Dafoe played Christ of Nazareth in Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ." He did a great job. Also Harvey Keitel is in it, somehow.

[@kevindobson3701]

Based on a book by Brent Eastern Ellis Book is way more detailed and graphic

[@FingerBrokenBranches]

Damn my dude you done fucked his whole name up

[@mrjackelbox4418]

9:13 human nature also when he said he wanted to fit in he basically doesn't want to look suspicious but at the same time he wants to admired by people

[@jdm1066]

I saw this in the theater with two friends. We laughed so hard over and over. Since then, I have gained no deeper knowledge of myself... This confession has meant nothing.

[@paulwibb.8944]

""it's hip to be square"",, 😄

[@antoniopalmiero6761]

How is possible that 90% of the people here didn't understand the movie, is so simple.

[@steeleye2112]

Brilliant observation - "He's Vice President of Nothing" is a stunning summary of the point of the story.

[@maceomaceo11]

It's a very artsy fartsy way of saying the soulless, nameless, faceless, self absorbed 80's Wall Street brokers could get away with murder in broad daylight. Because they did, metaphorically.

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

Not just metaphorically. It alludes to the real consequences with references to both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump.

[@matthewbishop8395]

It what way is it artsy fartsy

[@KrogunDK]

The serial killer tips are a nice touch.

[@user-vc5rp7nf8f]

the comment she made about nail guns needing air compressors was a nice catch

[@bicboyjoy]

Love your reaction, you two have great banter

[@TheJokersCorner]

The point of the ending of film I believe is to make the audience feel just as bewildered as Patrick. By the end of it Patrick doesn't even know if he is Patrick Bateman, due to the fact that everyone else gets him confused for someone else or doesn't know him as Patrick. No one believes him about the murderers due to the fact that they have seen some of the people that he has mentioned, leaving "Patrick" to believe by the end of it if he really killed those people in the first place. More than likely he simply imagined doing those things to all those people in his head and simply drawing them down in his notebooks. By the end of that we are meant to feel just as confused as Bateman is as to who he really is & what he has actually done. You'll notice every major event Patrick has has a level of exaggeration or fantasy in the scene. Things that make the audience question: "how is that possible?" Or "how did that person not hear or notice that?" So as you go back and watch it a second time you wonder if he ever actually did those things in the first place or if it was all just in his manic head. Patrick says it himself at the beginning of the film: " I think my mask of sanity is about to slip." Everything in his life from being a yuppie, having a fiance and the pressure of others might have caused him to go mentally insane, and as he got lost in his own head the rest of his world crumbled around and blended his psycho fantasy and reality together. He is truly an American Psycho.

[@davejay6855]

There can usually only be one president, but there can be as many vice presidents as a company has divisions/reason for. Not to mention VPs usually know the inner workings of the business/market they're in and how the money is made, so you award them a fancy title and salary in return for a non-compete clause so they don't go work for your competition.

[@justindenney-hall5875]

You, Me, & The Movies To answer your question the "Sequel" was actually a unrelated story which the script for had been floating around unproduced for a few years and they tweaked the script to make an American Psycho spinoff story which the author of the novel on which the original was based hated and doe's not regard it as cannon, all of his stories are actually in a shared universe and Patrick makes appearance's through them, one of the stories called "the rules of attraction" has the younger brother of Patrick as the lead character.

[@HarshitSharma-dw5tm]

Just so you know the detective approaches Bateman in three office interrogation scenes, each of which Mary Hannon asked Dafoe to perform three separate times. In the first take, Dafoe was told that his character knew Bateman was the killer, in the second he was told to be suspicious, and in the third, he was totally oblivious. These three interrogations were spliced together to make the whole interrogation unsettling and weird.

[@Krucifus]

If true, that's awesome.

[@xtldc]

The book is even more violent/disturbing and he’s even more neurotic - every person he encounters, he describes them and their outfits with way too much detail.

[@amadeusagripino6862]

Funny bit: at 09:50, you can see the character Marcus Halberstram, the guy Allen keeps thinking Patrick is, between them and looking behind when Allen says "Marcus".

[@eddyrose8596]

I think this is a true and accurate study on how power corrupts absolutely. Bateman sits at the cap stone on the American pyramid. He is a modern day prince / ceo of his dad's company. He indulges on the finest things materialistically speaking. And he annd everyone around him knows he sits on a throne. People respect him because of his position in society. Those that don't know him respect him because of the fine things he owns, demarcating his power. It's implied he is a powerful man. I too was confused as to whether he was imagining his inner hell of void and murder but that's actually the point. He is in position to indulge in these practices. No arrest. No handcuffs. No one knocking down his door. Everyone around him cover for him, whether something superficial like his od mumblings or actual crimes. What's fascinating is how everyone around him directly or indirectly support him. He is perfect to people. He cannot do wrong. People see no evil or hear no evil. After all he is a prince of the city, the big apple. He goes about without being questioned and at the very least experiences only minor inconveniences like not being able to get a last minute reservation at the most trendy restaurant. Even the detective has figured him out and knows he is Paul Allen's murderer. What can he do? Book him for what? When clearly all the evidence is buried and stripped away with speed and care. Hiding all his tracks of any wrong doing. And that's exactly the point. He can get away with it. And does.

[@TheRetroManRandySavage]

Noice! Looks like you've reacted to some really good movies. I've got the day off tomorrow, so I'm gonna have a binge watch of them all. 👍

[@chiyo-chanholocaust8143]

The reason this movie is super confusing is because it's a post-modern story, it plays with meta-narrative and it's all about the subtext. For what it's worth, my interpretation is that this is about a character, not a human, but a character that slowly realizes he's trapped in this superficalistic 80's yuppie narrative which he just can't escape from, even when killing people and confessing to it, reality just refuses to akwnowlege it, hence the "this is not an exit" sign at the end of the movie, this character is trapped and can't get out or change things no matter what "this confession has meant nothing"

[@Grindhouseification]

Fun Fact: Danzig was going to cover 'Lady in Red' (No clue why he didn't,might have been interesting)

[@LanceJ.]

They cleaned up the bodies at the apartment and didn’t alert authorities because it would make it damn near impossible to sell that apartment. Again, money rules all. People are disposable literally.

[@lukeskywalker6809]

I love how cleverly he shows her what the movie is about. He is a great, patient teacher.

[@PastHisPrime336]

I worked for a bank and saw so many people come through as sales people who wouldn't accept the job unless they could put "Vice President" in their title. You would literally see one department with 20 vice presidents reporting to another vice president who was their manager. That job killed all sense of respect i had for people's titles, they have lost all meaning.

[@horrorsthetics]

I am morbid/desensitized as hell because I laughed out loud when she said “squished the dog”😭😭

[@robertwest4843]

My brain is breaking trying to figure out how your headphones are both above and below your hat

[@abrimfulofasha]

You guys should watch the remake of ' 'Maniac' starring Elijah Wood. Its actually one the best best horror remakes I've seen.

[@matthewganong1730]

Willem Dafoe did three takes of each scene- one where he knew Patrick was guilty, one where he knew Patrick wasn’t guilty, and one where he still wasn’t sure. They edited the scenes together using bits and pieces from each take to make the audience uneasy because they can’t figure out his true motives.

[@arronhoffman7992]

I like to think that the ending is explained by everyone mistaking everyone for someone else. I don't think his lawyer had dinner with Paul Allen. I think he had dinner with someone he thought was Paul Allen, which caused him to automatically think Patrick's confession was a joke.

[@gniblack]

I am definitely curious how you two interpret the ending cause it's more clear in the book that it was all in his head. He didn't actually kill anyone. It was all in his head.

[@damianstarks3338]

This movie is a 💎 happy to see you two reacting to this. Happy 2024

[@benlee8436]

At that one point that is a great poker face followed by sneaky eyebrow raise! I'm pretty sure the chainsaw thing never happened. He was imagining things after watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The only thing I think might be real is when he invited his secretary over and couldn't kill her.

[@rickysifuentes5699]

If you want to see Williem Defoe as a villain, check out Wild At Heart as Bobby Peru! The movie stars Nicolas Cage! And it is David Lynch!!!!

[@justmeeagainn]

The worst part of this movie wasn’t the murders; it was that all the business cards spell “acquisitions” without the “c”.

[@bigpace]

Part 2 would be fun to watch with you guys.

[@verkpunk]

I work on a trade floor and half the people there are VPs. It's not as big of a deal as you think.