First Time Watching Firefly - Ariel (Episode 9) | REACTION

[@flnthrn2]

Try to see this from Jayne's side. His shirt was ruined.

[@heather9857]

hahahaha

[@daerdevvyl4314]

His Blue Sun shirt.

[@bcriswell]

Simon was able to be forceful and take charge because the hospital is his element. And he is, or was, among the best in his field as a trauma surgeon.

[@pouletnoir4441]

Also, if River is in danger Simon will do ANYTHING to try to protect her.

[@jspettifer]

Simon has spent the whole series I. A situation completely and utterly outside of his comfort zone. This is the first time we really see where he belongs and how the others don’t really fit in.

[@annicajakobsson]

Before watching the movie please, please, PLEASE watch “the River Tam sessions”, it was released as a teaser thing and it’s easy to find on KZbin!

[@hkpew]

You're missing one element of why Simon was different in this episode. Simon has spent his entire life in the core worlds, and his adult life as a medical student and then doctor. Throughout this series he has always been something as a fish out of water, in situations and places and around people that are nothing like his past experiences. It's no wonder that he's awkward and uncertain. This episode puts him back in his element, in a hospital on one of the core worlds. Suddenly we see the confident doctor who knows what he's doing and how to deal with the people he's coming in contact with.

[@sharkdentures3247]

1000% correct. I give total props to the actor for his performance & am glad the show gave us a situation where we can see "another side" to Simon. Who, while still my least favorite character, before this episode was starting to feel very shallowly "two dimensional".

[@dunringill1747]

The last scene between Mal & Jayne is absolutely brilliant in both acting and dialog. There is no doubt Mal was going to kill Jayne for his betrayal. When Jayne showed that he accepted his fate, gave genuine remorse, and had real concern for what the others would think of him - it saved his life. It let Mal feel like "This is someone worth redemption. I can still work with him." I really enjoy the speculation that the character growth Jayne learned in Jaynestown is what saved his life in Ariel. This is one of my favorite episodes for many reasons. It ties in some nice callbacks as well as brought forth many points of interest. When Kaylee & Wash are in the scrapyard Wash picked up the same kind of engine part that broke in "Out of Gas" and threw it. In the beginning call back, Simon was eating one of the mystery meals - curtesy of when River ripped off the can labels. Freeze frame on those labels and we see the Blue Sun Corporation logo. This episode River takes a knife and slashes the logo on Jayne's shirt. That logo is also the Blue Sun Corporation. In the pilot episode, Mal asked Jayne why didn't he betray him. Jayne said the money wasn't good enough. "What happens when it is?" asked Mal. "Well, that will be an interesting day." said Jayne. In Ariel, Jayne got his interesting day. River was on to Jayne's betrayal but spoke about it in metaphors. "Copper for a kiss" when she woke up from the induced death. When they were captured she was telling Jayne how they were "taking away Christmas" inferring she knew Jayne would not be getting his reward. Simon is always at his most defiant when he is protecting River. He is also pretty formidable when he is in his element. Simon really shines in this episode because he got both.

[@blubeetle3]

"Copper for a kiss."

[@Talisguy]

I don't think he decided Jayne was "worth" redemption as much as he decided that redemption was *possible.* I don't think he's in any position to decide whether someone is worthy of turning their life around, being a career criminal who's willing to kill people just to make a point (kicking that guy into Serenity's engine,) but he *is* in a good position to judge whether or not someone's actually going to attempt to change or if it's pointless to try and reach them. And Angel, another Whedon show, was one long mediation on the nuances of redemption that ultimately decided that redemption was worth seeking even if you knew you'd never achieve it - the search gives it meaning, not whether or not the goal is achievable, or whether or not you deserve it. But that could also be my biases talking - I firmly believe that nobody is ever worthy of redemption, under any circumstances. Redemption is *earned* by people who, inherently, do not deserve it, but are willing to strive for it.

[@zatornagirroc7175]

Remember that the core (central planets) is where Simon is from - he is in his element. On the frontier, when he interacts with people from the rim, he is completely out of his element - he doesn't know how to talk to Kaylee, or Mal. But on the core planets, particularly in a medical environment, his training, his life, kind of takes over. He is very used (as most very good doctors are) to talking down to people in society, and society just going along with it because of his standing and because he knows what he is doing. That just cannot fly on Serenity, and so he has been a fish out of water since the show started. I love how the show did this, and it can seem jarring that all of a sudden he has courage when he didn't before, but when taken in context it's quite brilliant of them to do this with his character.

[@BKPrice]

That last exchange between Mal and Jayne is what makes this my favorite episode of fourteen excellent episodes.

[@TwotoTenth]

I love the "cortical electrodes" sequence in this episode. It's a brilliantly executed joke, but it's also a sneaky character moment for Simon. If he were at the front door of the hospital, he would absolutely be making sure that the paramedics knew what they should have done; it might be too late for this patient, but it could save the next one. It shows a level of dedication to his craft which is clearly not typical based on how the interaction actually plays out.

[@ronaldjeffrey8712]

"That was probably the most brutal thing in this show I'll bet".... LOL!!!!!

[@topherwhite370]

My favorite episode.

[@athos1974]

Jayne expressed a sense of guilt for his actions, that's why he asked Mal to lie to the crew about what he did. Only then, did Mal feel that Jayne could stay on the ship.

[@StarkRG]

I'm not sure Jayne is capable of guilt at this stage in his life. What I think Mal saw was that Jayne cared about what everyone thought of him. It's not much, but it's a starting point.

[@DocMicrowave]

Indeed, Mal was straight up going to space Jayne. That last bit of semi-remorse saved him.

[@mathias6185]

2 by 2, hands of blue...

[@torgnyaanderaa2334]

I think "Make something up... Don't tell 'em what I did" was at least part what saved Jayne; it showed Mal he felt genuinely ashamed of his stupid move; not begging for his life, but that the others not learn how shitty he had been. Love it.

[@SuStel]

It is the only thing that saved Jayne. The only thing that COULD have saved Jayne. A request from Jayne that had absolutely no practical payoff for him. It showed Mal that Jayne has a conscience somewhere in his head.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

I definitely believe that Mal changed his mind in that moment. Jayne had accepted his death and made a last request that showed that he was truly sorry for what he did.. and that saved his life.

[@MWSin1]

Being treated like a hero by Simon hit him with the lesson from Jaynestown: "It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommbitch or another. Ain't about you, Jayne. 'Bout what they need."

[@Bill_pierre]

When Mal says "you did it to me" I feel like it was more along the lines of "but you did do it to me [you also did it to Wash, Kaylee, etc because we are all one family. You did it to all of us]" Only thing that saved Jayne was the humble remorse comment about making something up. If Jayne didn't care, it wouldn't have hurt, but we see he cares, just made stupid choices.

[@stuffyouotterlistento1461]

Interestingly, I think it actually did matter to Mal that Jayne did it to Simon and River. At the very least, he had legitimate grievances with them (or with River, at least, who had just slashed him), and reasons why he never saw them as a legitimate part of the crew. If he'd screwed over somebody else, that couldn't have been as neatly compartmentalized, and it would show that he couldn't be trusted by anybody. The fact is though, Jayne looks up to Mal and isn't entirely without loyalty. He only tried to turn Simon and River in while sparing the rest of the crew. It's still an affront to Mal, who is protective of everybody on his ship, but I don't think it's quite as black and white as he makes it out to be. If it were somebody else, I don't think that Jayne's remorse would've been enough. (Note that I've always thought that Jayne was significantly out of character in The Train Job, where he was ready to turn on everybody and write Mal off. That's just not what we see from him elsewhere.)

[@sirmoonslosthismind]

@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 jayne's not out of character in _the train job_ because jayne is not a "go down with the ship" kind of guy. jayne will do the work when he has a reasonable chance of success, but he'll cut off anyone he views as a lost cause. he's actually not entirely dissimilar to mal in this way. mal makes hard calls; for jayne, those calls aren't so hard.

[@stuffyouotterlistento1461]

@@sirmoonslosthismind I disagree. He was contemptuous towards Mal and, going by what we've seen of him elsewhere, even if he were going to abandon him, it wouldn't be like this. Frankly, Mal would have to be a complete idiot to keep Jayne on his crew if this is really what he's like. Jayne as depicted elsewhere works a lot better.

[@Razzlion]

@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 As he has said before, "The money wasnt good enough." Mal knows Jayne's in it for the money, but he's good enough to keep around despite that.

[@katrina484]

Got distracted by the appearance of a ginger cat's paw at 6:15 mark. 😼

[@derrisreaditbefore]

Simon was at home in this episode. For the first time in the show we got to meet the 'real' Simon. He was in a hospital, on a central planet, and his education, qualifications, and experience allowed him to feel secure around everyone he encountered. He's also learned a lot from Mal, watching the way authority in general operates. He knows the rules, how to bend them, and how far he can push. Of all the people on Serenity, the only one better suited to move freely within 'central core' society, is Inara.

[@itzel1735]

“Some shows have the guts to kill off major characters” 😮 Ok, this must be your first Whedon show. If you’d seen Buffy, you’d still be traumatized.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

I’m rewatching Buffy and halfway through the fifth season.. embracing myself for impact! 😳

[@itzel1735]

@@talynstarburst2l2l2l Well by the time you’ve been through season 2 of Buffy, you’ve seen a couple of unexpected deaths. It’s characteristic of a lot of Joss stories.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

@@itzel1735 yeah, season 2 was intense and one of my favorites. It’s really where it starts.. and doesn’t get any easier from there. And then there Angel’s spin off series which is even darker with some of the characters.

[@dupersuper1938]

I hate the idea that killing off characters automatically shows "guts".

[@zoppie]

Blakes 7: Hold my beer.

[@Mx.RumpusParable]

This doesn't fall in my favorites as a whole, but it has favorite aspects/scenes of the series for me. I like how we see Simon in his familiar environment and how different he is there compared to on Serenity where he's completely out of that. We've always seen him to one extent or another unsure or backing down or following to some degree as he's learning this totally different life... but as a doctor in the hospital he takes charge, gives orders, judges and chastises as though he thoroughly belongs and is in a superior position/knowledge than those he's dealing with; Then the continuation of that with standing up to the Alliance personnel as he's being in his "home territory", so to speak, and knowing how they function. It shows a much different side of him and gives a much more rounded idea of who he was and the position/life he gave up compared to how he lives and acts now to get by for River. The other one, of course, it that ending scene between Mal and Jayne. Fillion delivers a hell of a believable response there as he and Jayne go back and forth through the window. Great tension between them where the only time we've seen similar is in Out of Gas where he grabs Wash. I found it a nice touch in OoG when he did that and it cut to the others with Jayne, the focus, stepping back uneasily. Another case of seeing a different side of a character... Simon's firmness when in his element, Mal's firmness when truly needed with subordinates.

[@Kavala76]

Though Simon is usually unnassertive, when it comes to River or things medical, he stands his ground.

[@ronaldjeffrey8712]

Keep that "Dark Knight" quote in mind.

[@mfpmaniac]

That last 10-15 minutes of this episode is what makes it my favorite of the series. "Out of Gas" certainly covers more of the backstory of the characters, but that last scene with Jayne sells it for me. I also enjoy seeing Simon in his comfort zone and taking control, definitely shows something we haven't seen a lot of yet.

[@maidden]

"... but we gotta move on because there's many more seasons...' you got me.

[@ronaldjeffrey8712]

Notice in the examination room just before River screams, multiple areas of her brain scan flash green... could this be the exact second she became aware of Jaynes betrayal?

[@Shasta--1]

No. It's when she senses the men with blue hands.

[@ronaldjeffrey8712]

@@Shasta--1 The men with blue hands hadn't arrived yet. After they are captured by the Aliance Simon is told they are going to be "Turned over to people who wanted them alive"... after which they are questioned by the locals, indicating that they were still waiting for the blue hands. Sorry.

[@artboymoy]

River knew but her mind is a bit scattershot so she doesn't trust what she thinks. One of my faves as well. Too many faves!

[@michaelbastraw1493]

"Brains are so crazy." You almost got a spit-take out of me on that one. Best. Mike.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

Before Game of Thrones, there was the origin of Joss Whedon shows.. always proceed with caution when it comes to characters that you love.

[@itzel1735]

Buffy scarred me.

[@kharma7755]

@@itzel1735 multiple times!!

[@zacboller8334]

Yeah, you have to put this show in context of its time. In 2002, it was exceptionally rare for high budget tv shows airing on network tv to kill off main characters. This was well before most of shows like GoT, really HBO's main claim-to-fame was still primarily the Sopranos. Whedon, however, had demonstrated his willingness to kill major characters repeatedly on both Buffy and Angel. When this originally aired, I was near certain Jayne was done for and was so happy Mal saw him as worthy of redemption since he was my favorite.

[@jeffthompson9622]

I liked the plot efficiency in the effects of River slashing Jayne. It gave Simon the incentive to risk returning to a central world to help River. This provided the opportunity and reason for Simon to suggest the heist. It also angered Jayne enough to betray the siblings to Alliance officials.

[@sn0w181]

Adam Baldwin wasn't acting in the scene where Jayne almost gets jettisoned. According to more than one retrospective on the series, Adam said he had no idea if he was going to be cut while filming it

[@mjreis9997]

Probably my favourite episode. “You did it to ME Jayne, and that’s a fact.” Mal is an amazing leader.

[@SuStel]

This isn't Mal being an amazing leader. This is Mal having an absolutist worldview in a world of inabsolutes. If you don't fit into Mal's worldview, he won't have you.

[@sirmoonslosthismind]

@@SuStel agreed; mal is no jean luc picard lol.

[@evatesche]

Mal was about to walk up those stairs and leave Jayne for dead, he was already past the control board. Love the fact that he new instantly why their plan went south. He never forgets where Jayne comes from and he never fully trusts him. And having seen the recruting flashback in the last episode, we also know exactly why.

[@Emburbujada]

I love this one. Jayne never liked the doctor, but River cutting him was too much. Plus I do believe he worries about what might happen to someone else in the crew who can't defend themselves, like Kaylee or Inara. You can see him starting to feel guilty when he sees Simon saving a life, and really guilty when he sees what they'd done to River, but by then, it's too late.

[@LadyFeline3]

Exactly. Add in the fact that Mal was incredibly dismissive of Jayne's concerns (at least in Jayne's earshot), it kind of makes sense that Jayne would see that as the last straw. That's how I see it anyway. I don't think Mal would have been so level-headed about the attack if River had slashed Kaylee or Inara or even Wash. He would have ripped into Simon immediately, in front of everyone, and possibly even kicked the Tams off Serenity. Only because it was 'just Jayne', did he keep his cool and defend Simon and River's place on the crew.

[@DocMicrowave]

I love this episode. Especially that last scene between Mal and Jayne. This is the "Interesting day" Jayne mentioned back in the first episode when Mal asked Jayne why he didn't turn on him. With Jayne replying "money wasn't good enough'. This time it was good enough. I love how they set that up so early on. Like other things in this show.

[@PsychedelicChameleon]

Thank you for this wonderful reaction and evalution!

[@biffstrong1079]

For the ninth time in a row. Love this episode. Love finding another catalyzer they needed so desperately in the junk yard and Wash just chucking it away. HANG ON TO IT and put it in inventory. Love the character stuff they did. Love Jayne thinking he's the smartest guy in the room. Love the not quite(prettyclose) a complete sociopath trail to redemption. Two by Two hands of blue. Love the circular nature of the psychic problem. She's mad because she sees what he is going to do and he does what he does because he sees her behaviour as insane because she is psychic and or unstuck in time and is exacting retribution for things that haven't happened yet. If he isn't attacked maybe he never does this ? Boy they jam a lot in the teaser.

[@TigraV915]

This is in my 2 favorite episodes list, because I feel like Simon is the character I am mostly aligned with, personality wise. Although, the personality tests put me on equal grounding between Simon and Shepherd. Also note, that stripped amygdala was not the only thing Aliance did to River, there were many other scars on her brain that Simon saw. They were playing with her brain, in the most literal and horrifying sense. The last scene with "time to wake up" is awesome, and I had always took it like Simon being better informed in how to medicate her better, not that he knows how to regrow brains, lol. Additionally, if you listen to River, she had been trolling Jayne about his betrayal even before he called the cops (second time), many people argue whatever she cut him with a knife because she saw the betrayal ahead of time, or because of the shirt that Jayne was wearing, I think it is probably a bit of both + Jayne being an ass to Simon and her since they got onboard.

[@SmokyOwl]

Something that I notice, and I might be wrong, but the part that Wash tosses at the ship in the junkyard looks VERY similar to the part that was needed to fix the ship in "Out of Gas"

[@brianeslinger3639]

Wow another great episode i’ve never seen this show but heard of it I would have got hooked on it had I watched it when it was on air an would have been heart broken when it was cancelled after the first season great show 😃✌️ Brian from Northeast Ohio 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@dalesharp9953]

Enjoyed your reactions. Jayne never considered Simon and River as part of the crew. Simon is more confident and knowledgeable in a hospital and dealing with officials on a Central planet. On the outer worlds, Simon is like a fish out of water. I believe the Mal would of killed Jayne. I feel the only thing that saved him that he was worried about the rest of the crew. He showed remorse. In the pilot and Out of Gas, Mal was very aware that Jayne could switch sides at any given moment.

[@larrystuder8543]

The moment when Jayne changes from the Comic Relief and Big Dumb Muscle, to becoming a real human character.

[@Fool3SufferingFools]

"You did it to ME"-- that sounds very biblical. As in, "whatever you did to the least of these..." I don't think Mal was even sure what he was going to do with Jayne until he made that final plea, "Don't tell them what I did." That proved to him that Jayne really did care, at least on some level.

[@anthonyleecollins9319]

I agree. That was not just Mal giving some "tough love" to a crew member to get him back into line. He was for real, and Jayne knew it.

[@sirmoonslosthismind]

i view that whole scene in purely practical terms because on some level i think mal does as well. first, mal's job is to plan everything, and that requires him to have a handle on what personnel he is working with. thus, even if mal were purely self-interested, he wouldn't turn a blind eye to jayne turning on a fellow crew member, because it's not just that other crew member who might be seriously affected. remember how lucky the crew were that they were able to get book treated in simon's absence. the unexpected disappearance of a crew member is an unwelcome surprise. in the end, whether you think jayne "deserved" to live or die, i don't think mal gave that any thought whatsoever. rather, he ultimately decided that jayne was still more useful alive than dead. again, purely practical.

[@CaesiusX]

_Simon_ appears to be quite fearless when it comes to taking care of _River._ I do like to think _Mal_ decided to save _Jane_ in that last moment. Once he saw that _Jane_ didn't want them to know. . .IMO _Mal_ saw an _"in"_ to redemption. But in my headcanon of course _Mal_ isn't analyzing it that way. But rather, that assessment is essentially synonymous with what his gut told him.

[@chrismacphail7041]

welcome back boys! love your channel

[@anthonyleecollins9319]

One of the best episodes. It's interesting to see you react to this and Star Trek at the same time. Two space ships, two captains, two crews -- but some big differences. Mal is just as devoted to his crew and his ship as Kirk, but he's also a mean S.O.B. when necessary. (No spoilers, but there is a scene in Trek where McCoy is in a similar situation to Simon here and, despite being undercover in a hospital, he can't stop himself from helping a patient who needs it.)

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

I am hoping that they do Farscape in the near future too

[@dupersuper1938]

Doctors! Always goin' and helping people..

[@dakker5292]

@@dupersuper1938 That's what they're paid to do! (And I also think there's a hippocratic oath about it too...)

[@edgreene4394]

Interesting thing I noticed awhile ago. The helicopter thingy at the hospital, you can see the platform they used to wheel the prop on the set. Both before they go into the hospital and when they come out.

[@LeeCarlson]

Simon now knows what kind of medicinal cocktail will help River to maintain control of her extraordinary psychic abilities.

[@richb313]

Love your reactions guys.

[@Aeroldoth3]

From the first episode, I'd immediately pegged Jayne's character as "mercenary". He was a person who only cared about himself and money.... a man with zero loyalty. He wasn't necessarily bad, he just only cared about #1. I think if nothing had happened to him, he wouldn't have cared at all about what he did, and Mal would have killed him. But what DID happen, was Jaynestown. At the climax, that kid took a bullet for him and saved his life. At the end, we had that long scene with him and Mal, where Jayne was totally confused about what happened, turning to Mal like a kid to a father, not understanding these strange new feelings he had. I think this was the first time Jayne had ever thought about another, _cared_ about another... perhaps because it was the first time anyone had ever done anything for him. And I think it was entirely because of that, that his nature changed. He started to think and care for others and, over several episodes, led us to the point where he said "don't tell 'em what I did", because he cared what they thought of him. And it was from that that Mal didn't kill him. I fully believe that kid in Jaynestown giving his life for Jayne is why Jayne is alive, and why he started the slow path of moving away from being just a mercenary.

[@becca1189]

Jaynestown was step one. Out of Gas was step two. I think it was the 1st time that Jayne realized that there was someone he could trust: Mal. Mal's willingness to sacrifice himself for his crew through his deeds (rather than just saying it) was a turning point. We don't know if Stitch would've turned on Jayne or not. Was he lying? Did he even know for sure? Jayne tossed him out before he had a chance to react. What Stitch said about watching your partner's (or crew's) back is true in principal, but out on the rim or even the boarder planets it certainly seems rare. Jayne is nothing if not a survivor. It's clear from the way Jayne talked about Mal in regard to Simon & River that he believed Mal was no different than most others removed from "civilization". Out of Gas gave him a better idea, albeit not a complete one. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜

[@blubeetle3]

"A chain of betrayals" is a perfect description of this episode, but almost everyone misses the first link in the chain: Mal betrays Jayne. Jayne is right when he says to Mal that if River had cut anyone else, she'd be off the boat. But, it was just Jayne. And THAT is what starts Jayne to start thinking about getting rid of River and Simon. If you go back through the previous episodes, you'll see that Jayne had opportunities to turn River and Simon in before Ariel, but didn't. What changed in this episode? Mal's betrayal.

[@LadyFeline3]

Oh, good, I'm not the only one who thinks this. Glad someone else recognizes it.

[@LeeCarlson]

Ariel is one of the "Inner Planets" of the Alliance, not one of the colonies that they usually visit.

[@passenthrualaska3293]

Hey, just wanted to make sure you know (and only for after finishing the show and movie or else spoilers) there are graphic novels that tell more stories about the crew of Serenity. One in particular focuses on Shepard Book's tale. Seeing how you missed him this episode made me think about it and want to share.

[@stuffyouotterlistento1461]

So I know that the obvious reason that Jayne leads Simon and River out the back is to draw them into the police ambush, but I think a case could be made that he changed his mind, and was actually trying to avoid the cops. Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, because how would the cops know to be waiting for them there, but Jayne obviously starts feeling bad before things go down, after learning what was done to River. Or at least, it seems that way to me. It seems like more than just him being jumpy about the risk involved in turning them over.

[@Tonyblack261]

"Two by two, hands of blue".

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

This is one of my favourites (second or third, depending on current mood), but they got the function of the amygdala exactly wrong - it's actual function is to take sensory perceptions like smell of specific sights (like the shape of a snake) and cause an emotional reaction like fear. The closest thing to a "filter" that allows us to push those emotions to the back of our minds is probably our frontal lobe.

[@gallendugall8913]

My theory is that Jayne's last request put Mal in conflict with his code. He has to fulfill a reasonable last request, but he can't lie to his crew. That's the only reason Jayne lived.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

Wow, I never thought of it that way but brilliant take. I can’t see Mal throwing Jayne out of the airlock and then lying to his crew about it with Jayne’s request..

[@sirmoonslosthismind]

@@talynstarburst2l2l2l dunno, in _bushwhacked_ mal had no problem misleading half his crew about what the other half were going to be doing (taking care of the booby trap).

[@paulcurlin2789]

0:58 Yeah. You fargin' icehole! Lol

[@aqrxv]

Best episode!

[@mithrasrevisited4873]

I thought you would have commented on why River slashed Jayne at the start.

[@cdfreester]

Great episode. Love the Jayne character and miss Shepherd Book not being in it. As we know, it would not have been beyond Josh Whedon to kill off a character like Jayne. Very nice wrap up commentary guys.

[@JAYWALKER1000]

Can River predict the future? Is that why she slashed Jayne?

[@PaliSvapna]

Yer that’s been my theory

[@josefhorndl3469]

I think she's kind of a telepath - sometimes. So she can "hear" things, that others can't. Future? I don't think so.

[@dongilleo9743]

The shirt he was wearing had the Blue Sun corporate symbol on it; the same people who were involved in the experimenting on River. She was reacting to the symbol on the shirt, not specifically Jayne. Something like that anyway. I read about it once somewhere a while back, but can't remember the source.

[@lionofhighpark]

@@dongilleo9743 Exactly right. It's also why River was tearing labels off of food cans in an earlier episode, those cans had the same corporate logo on them. She's reacting to symbols of the company that was involved with her torture.

[@dunringill1747]

@@dongilleo9743 A clue in that scene, Simon was eating a mystery meal - courtesy of when River ripped off can labels. Those can labels had the Blue Sun Corporation logo on them, just like Jayne's shirt. But it is also fun to speculate that River predicted Jayne's betrayal versus that she slashed him for the betrayal which became the cause behind his betrayal.

[@mlodestar2743]

If Jayne hadn't asked Mal not to tell about his betrayal, I think Mal actually would have spaced him. (Just as he kicked Niska's thug into the engine turbine.) And a case could be made that Mal should have done-in Jayne for his act of real betrayal. Displaying a guilty conscience, once you've been caught at something, isn't really conscience.

[@startingQB]

Weird how the Preacher was off the ship when they were going to an alliance planet. 🤔

[@larrystuder8543]

Adam Baldwin (Jayne) is one very good, very underrated, and quite experienced actor. Go watch Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket. That's Adam as the surviving killer Marine Animal Mother.

[@karlbecker8775]

Remember when Jayne told Mal he didn't sell him out because the money wasn't good enough... BTW, if you want brutal, wait for War Stories. Prepare to be amazed!

[@babychannel8758]

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[@targetaudience]

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[@Shasta--1]

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[@targetaudience]

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[@Shasta--1]

@@targetaudience Thanks! When you get to the movie I'll sign up for your Patreon. And if you do the ST movies right after you finish the TOS series I'll keep going throughout them all. I really hope you just watch all 6 TOS movies in a row, before starting TNG, because they all take place 50 to 100 years before TNG starts.

[@CaptainFrost32]

Consider the fact that Jayne would not have turned in the Tams if Shepherd Book had been around. When the crew were split into Shuttles in Out of Gas, Jayne would have been more cooperative around Book. Also, Mal kept the Tams away from Jayne as it made the doubt moot. Worlds like Ariel and Persephone are part of the reason that I consider the 'Verse as a cyberpunk campaign setting. Megacorporations, black markets, inefficient governments, culture mixtures. Mal : Solo Zoe : Solo Kaylee : Techie Simon ; Medtech Wash : Nomad Jayne : Solo Inara : ??? Shepherd Book : ??? River : ??? Badger : Fixer Patience : Fixer Sheriff : Cop Adelai Nishka : Fixer Magistrate Higgins : Corp

[@SaulOhio]

4:55 Great example of a long setup for a joke. All the time Jayne is trying to learn that line, we don't even know they are setting us up for this. Well played Joss Wheedon.

[@PaliSvapna]

He didn’t have long tool look at the scan ide say he would be his books and have good long study

[@quentinmichel7581]

River's attack on Jayne wasn't random. Take a close gander at his t-shirt.

[@jenisedai]

Two by two, hands of blue...

[@LeahB31]

Certain medicines can replace the function of certain missing organs. I take a pill to replace the function of a thyroid that I had removed. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@jamestate5059]

Wait till you watch the movie Serienity and you get a much more backstory of what's going on with River

[@Shasta--1]

I think he was going to kill Jayne. And I think that was meant to show how Jayne is growing and changing. You should check out Ron Glass in "Barney Miller" if you want to see some good comedy from Ron. It was one of my top shows when it was on TV. Yes, I'm old. ;)

[@marknickols7316]

I think when River slashed at Jayne it was not just a random act. At some level she already knew that Jayne had a plan in motion to betray her and Simon. Nothing River does is just "crazy" or meaningless. At all points during this episode River was making wise choices where everyone else was not. She just cannot communicate her concerns in a way others can understand. She was desperate not to go to places which later proved to be traps and told others not to go there, but of course no one was listening and her fears were just dismissed as ravings.

[@manuelodonnell1148]

It's more than that. Mild spoilers below.... Did you see what the shirt had on it? It was the Blue Sun corporate logo. That logo was also on the food cans that she stripped the labels off of in an earlier episode. One might suspect that that corporation also runs a certain school for the gifted, makes Fruity-Oaty Bars, and employs men who travel two-by-two with hands of blue.

[@MusikCassette]

8:44 no, he really isn't.

[@boqndimitrov8693]

i'm not surprised jane wanted to get rid of River especially when he could have profited from it but the way was nasty! calling the authorities behind your partners back..bad.very bad.(quick test: can anyone guess how many times google translate has messed up what's written? this thing is just freaking dumb!).

[@stratocruising]

One little scene, not included on your edited version was River helping fight their way out. She took a lightning glance at the Alliance troops, then shot them all bangbangbang. Remember that. She is a wired-in killing machine.

[@kharma7755]

um, that's a future episode that they haven't yet watched. You may want to delete this to avoid giving away spoilers.

[@ernesthakey3396]

Wrong episode, Sully...River did NOT shoot anyone in this episode. Please delete.

[@chrisdufresne9359]

That last line in your intro was just wrong. Don't hammer home the lack of a complete series.

[@HalkerVeil]

River attacked Jane becasue she knew he was going to give them up.

[@CaptainFrost32]

The shirt...

[@HalkerVeil]

@@CaptainFrost32 lol

[@MicahWo]

There is no solid evidence Jayne was going to betray them before she cut him. She sliced his shirt for the same same reason she removed the labels on the canned food and a couple similar actions in the movie, because of the logo

[@HalkerVeil]

@@MicahWo It's all explained in the books.

[@GregInHouston2]

Jayne hit a girl; shame on him.

[@sirmoonslosthismind]

everyone has a right to engage in reasonable, proportionate self-defense. i can't fault jayne in that scene.

[@GregInHouston2]

@@sirmoonslosthismind I agree. But there are those that will tell you there is no reason to ever hit a woman.

[@sirmoonslosthismind]

@@GregInHouston2 depending on their definitions and assumptions, they might even be right. all i'm saying is that jayne is too.

[@ernesthakey3396]

@@GregInHouston2 and Mal would say "someone tries you hurt you, you try and hurt 'em right back!" - paraphrasing what he told Saffron in Our Mrs Reynolds. "Don't hit girls/women" implies it is okay to hit boys/men, and is left-over from earlier misogynistic mind sets. Better to say "don't hit people, unless they hit you first and it's the only way to protect yourself." Unless of course you are in a competitive sport or martial arts class involving hitting people, where that's the whole point of being there...